Fat Faces Are Here to Stay

[Karen Daniels]

36 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

Quick off-topic question if I may seeing as we are talking about and spend alot of time in the editor. The "Body Type" option, does it change the actual looking of the body or just the bulk? I have Athletic as my current one but does Brawny give any muscle definition and does Heavy give a gut and man boobs?

 

I saw a guy one here that had Skinny and purposefully underfed his character and that dude has visible bones jutting out.

 

Basically I am thinking of changing my Body Type from Athletic to Brawny. Does it change anything apart from size?

Reddit had the best example of what being overweight can do for the heavy and brawny body types. I do not have the current battery like to find the post, otherwise I would share. But it does give them a larger appearence. From what I have seen brawny gives a toned look as well. Like... the fat guy who has worked in an auto repair shop for 15 years and has that hard impacted muscle under his fat.

 

I have not seen any images that signify any significant weight loss having an affect to the size of the body. If that were the case, Rockstar would have to have had a proper weight system online with Athletic being your base, average being your underweight, and brawny being your severely overweight.

 

Theory that last bit but... yeah.

4 minutes ago, Pocket Fox said:

Pocket-Fox's reply:

 

 

Hello,

 

I have entered the editor to get my character to look as they did in 1.11

 

Upon entering the editor I have taken a screenshot of my character, see Image 2.

 

I have made sure the sliders are the same as they were for my original character. I have then taken a screenshot, see image 3.

 

The Image 3 face, remains the same as image 2 face. It however does not resemble the original face of my character from version 1.11, see Image 1.

 

My desired outcome is to have my character look as she did in Image 1, patch 1.11 when I created her.

I have made no changes to my character since 1.11, but with the 1.12 patch her face is now wider. I have Am I not explaining this clearly? I have summarised it a few times already. But it's like support thinks I edited my toon, made face A, loaded into the game with face B and thought 'no, I wanted face A'

IT IS NOT THAT.

 

It is, I made face A, after patch 1.12 I had face B. I go into editor, and face A now looks like face B, what was face A is gone for good.

 

No you are explaining it perfectly fine. I believe this is a classic case of they are not informed on what has truly happened -outside of a few saying this a deliberate change- and think you are just unhappy with how your character came out. Selective hearing as it were.

 

My first and third support chat about this I provided images and they still wanted me to go into the editor and attempt to change my character to look as she first did. The first support worker even said something along the lines of how my character now looks closer to how they did prior to the 17th update and that my issue was now fixed... I stopped him dead in his tracks and told him that it was not at all fixed.

[TheLordMarvel]

23 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Colt 's been raiding them shacks with biscuits and candy in them cabinets, hasn't he? And eat them too.

 

 

Actually yes. He had a few recently. Lmao.  

[Leftover Pizza]

2 hours ago, TheLordMarvel said:

 

 

Actually yes. He had a few recently. Lmao.  

 

Apparently, my dude had a few too many, while I wasn't watching him. Probably spent all offline time at the campfire, stuffing his face with food until bloated again. 

I should recreate him entirely soon

[rtie]

a day and a half later, support are still ghosting me about my refund ha ha 

[RyuNova]

Annnnd I am just about done...

I went into the Editor to see what my character looked like with the Brawny build and decided to hit Randomise All for fun to see what monstrosities I could make. Backed out and SAVED NOTHING! and now everytime I put on my favourite hat, the Short Stove Pipe Top Hat, my characters hair disappears around his rim of the hat and my option for Stubble in beards is gone. Stubble is just the same as Clean Shaven.

[TiberiusMcQueen]

2 hours ago, loyletomycapo said:

a day and a half later, support are still ghosting me about my refund ha ha 

Same, managed to get the refund for two of my characters pretty easily, but for the third (and most badly effected) character the support guy I'm dealing with is leading me through friggin hoops and taking an eternity to respond, half expecting him to find some BS reason to try and weasel out of compensating me for R*'s screw up.

[ditsall22]

Got bored of waiting and used my free customizer ticket from the outlaw pass, my guy is mostly close enough now. It'b be hilarious if rockstar somehow try to reverse the changes and ruin characters even worse.

[rtie]

Man you got 2, I haven't even got a reply for my only fella.

[TiberiusMcQueen]

4 minutes ago, loyletomycapo said:

Man you got 2, I haven't even got a reply for my only fella.

How long have you been waiting?

[rtie]

2 nights and a day, think I'll resend

[Karen Daniels]

3 hours ago, loyletomycapo said:

2 nights and a day, think I'll resend

Submit it under a performance related issue and select chat. You will immediately be connected.

 

There will be no difference in if you interact via chat or a single reply that closes out the ticket.

[Jason]

3 hours ago, loyletomycapo said:

2 nights and a day, think I'll resend

Weekend.

[OREOBOREALIS]

My character looks now like hes been stung by hundred wasps in to hes face but at least i got my 50 gold bars and 400 rd$ i used in character creator back yesterday.

Edited September 22, 2019 by mr goshawk

[TiberiusMcQueen]

Bit the bullet the other day and re-did all three of my characters, got two pretty close but had to go in a completely different direction for one, lengthening the jaw and chin is a good way to make the face look less wide, have to move the other features around a bit to get the proportions looking normal though. And of course have to randomize and rebuild from scratch for the first edit to avoid the creator bugging out when you save.

Edited September 22, 2019 by TiberiusMcQueen

[Zoobz]

Got a response to mine. Not really helpful. Might actually have to redo it... Damn it. 

 

[Commander S]

20 minutes ago, Zoobz said:

Got a response to mine. Not really helpful. Might actually have to redo it... Damn it. 

 

 

That looks like the most clear exchange so far - you pointed out the specific problem (the new update forced everyone to use the post-beta facial settings), and the unsurprising response is that they can't really do anything* about that.

 

That's where some of the other reports have hit a wall - don't report it as a "bug", because it isn't a bug or glitch that can be fixed. R* changed the base character assets, and the update is now forcing all characters to use those post-beta settings, with the original beta ones no longer existing.

 

 

*...there is something people can do, of course: request that R* add more character creator settings, and add more facial structures/heritage options. Or more simply, ask that they re-add the beta settings back into the game as 'new' options, so that players have more choice and freedom when customising their characters (and can restore older characters to their beta appearances, too).

[BUT THE BENZ]

I won't do anything about it, not gonna fool around with the editor, not gonna contact support neither .... Imran will simply be a good boy and find a solution to the mess he created ... in a few weeks.

[AmyStone]

This is the latest response I got from rockstar.

 

Thank you for your response.

We would like to inform you that you can change the character the way you wanted it to be. Previously there was an issue with the character where it was not as intended or what we wanted it to be. The issue has been hot fixed.

It means once you change the character appearance now, it will look as intended

We hope this resolves your issue appropriately. If you have any other questions or concerns, do let us know. 

Best regards,

[Commander S]

7 minutes ago, BUT THE BENZ said:

I won't do anything about it, not gonna fool around with the editor, not gonna contact support neither .... Imran will simply be a good boy and find a solution to the mess he created ... in a few weeks.

 

 

Well, more like Rob Nelson for RDO - and it's not like one person has the sole job of manually doing everything in the game. Odds are this is something delegated to someone further down the ladder - same way that Imran Sarwar isn't personally responsible for every car in GTAO (because that way, at least quality would be consistent... ).

 

I bet someone suggested "let's make improvements to character presets!", that got the green light from the higher ups, and no-one stopped to consider "hmm, maybe we should add more presets, rather than changing the existing ones" when they were making the tweaks.

[SeekingAsylum]

21 minutes ago, Commander S said:

 

 

That looks like the most clear exchange so far - you pointed out the specific problem (the new update forced everyone to use the post-beta facial settings), and the unsurprising response is that they can't really do anything* about that.

 

That's where some of the other reports have hit a wall - don't report it as a "bug", because it isn't a bug or glitch that can be fixed. R* changed the base character assets, and the update is now forcing all characters to use those post-beta settings, with the original beta ones no longer existing.

 

 

*...there is something people can do, of course: request that R* add more character creator settings, and add more facial structures/heritage options. Or more simply, ask that they re-add the beta settings back into the game as 'new' options, so that players have more choice and freedom when customising their characters (and can restore older characters to their beta appearances, too).

I don't know, seems more like this person said they couldn't do anything about it themselves, rather than saying there was nothing that could be done at all. Take a look at the wording: "I wish I could restore the appearance from here, but unfortunately we do not have an option to do so."

 

Sounds more like a support person just saying they're really limited in what they can do about something like this. This whole face thing in the first place was brought about after a full downloadable patch, so it's pretty believable it's something they couldn't technically address themselves from their work station, I'd imagine.

 

Just with how some people have been affected by this who have beta characters, while others haven't, it seems very likely like this is a bug. However, we don't really know anything until Rockstar addresses it themselves, which they'll have to at some point with how much this has got people talking. It wouldn't be too unbelievable to find this was unintended seeing as this patch brought so many issues along with it.

[TiberiusMcQueen]

At this point I think it's safe to say it was intentional and we are not getting a fix,

1 minute ago, SeekingAsylum said:

Just with how some people have been affected by this who have beta characters, while others haven't, it seems very likely like this is a bug. However, we don't really know anything until Rockstar addresses it themselves, which they'll have to at some point with how much this has got people talking. It wouldn't be too unbelievable to find this was unintended seeing as this patch brought so many issues along with it.

I think it's more likely that some simply haven't noticed the effect rather than actually not being effected by it. I think what happened is they introduced a new head morph with the character creator update awhile back, and this update forced our beta character's face settings onto the new head shape without any other adjustments, and the results have varied wildly. Whether or not this was intended I have no idea, but now that a lot of players have altered their appearance accordingly I don't see how they could fix it without risking making a bunch of players heads super thin and causing the same debacle all over again.

[TheLordMarvel]

So it's all fixed up or are they just spewing bullsh*t out their gob again?

[SeekingAsylum]

2 minutes ago, TiberiusMcQueen said:

At this point I think it's safe to say it was intentional and we are not getting a fix,

I think it's more likely that some simply haven't noticed the effect rather than actually not being effected by it. I think what happened is they introduced a new head morph with the character creator update awhile back, and this update forced our beta character's face settings onto the new head shape without any other adjustments, and the results have varied wildly. Whether or not this was intended I have no idea, but now that a lot of players have altered their appearance accordingly I don't see how they could fix it without risking making a bunch of players heads super thin and causing the same debacle all over again.

Good point, but I suppose we'll just have to wait and see. All of this is really speculation after all, at least for the time being. If this whole head situation is still present after the next patch or series of patches to address other issues, we'll have our answer.

[Commander S]

5 minutes ago, TiberiusMcQueen said:

At this point I think it's safe to say it was intentional and we are not getting a fix,

I think it's more likely that some simply haven't noticed the effect rather than actually not being effected by it. I think what happened is they introduced a new head morph with the character creator update awhile back, and this update forced our beta character's face settings onto the new head shape without any other adjustments, and the results have varied wildly. Whether or not this was intended I have no idea, but now that a lot of players have altered their appearance accordingly I don't see how they could fix it without risking making a bunch of players heads super thin and causing the same debacle all over again.

 

 

Exactly - and yeah, at this point, if they revert the head settings, that could have the same effect in reverse for folks who created their characters after the beta.

 

Knowing R*'s attitude to similar issues with GTAO in the past, I suspect they'll ...just wait for it to blow over and ignore it, sadly - again, there's a perfectly good 'everyone wins' solution, which'd be to add the old settings back as 'new', separate options (rather than tweaking the existing ones again), but getting that message across and seeing it implemented is going to be an uphill struggle at best.

 

(saying this from past experience: the GTAO team made cosmetic tweaks to hairstyles several years back, and people suggested adding the old ones back as variants - instead, R* has barely added any new hairstyles since then, let alone listening to feedback and adding back the old versions of tweaked ones... )

[Pocket Fox]

I just spent 10 months of my toon looking like crap, I don't really want to wait another 10 for a 'possible fix'

 

How hard is it, for a billion dollar organisation in 2019 to communicate with their customers?

 

[CMCSAVAGE]

21 minutes ago, Pocket Fox said:

I just spent 10 months of my toon looking like crap,

Well isn't that your fault? If you weren't happy, then you shouldn't have saved it.

[Red Lynx 23]

I have an old and a recent screencap of my RDO character. I cannot decide if she got the puffy face glitch or not...

 

[Pocket Fox]

9 minutes ago, CMCSAVAGE said:

Well isn't that your fault? If you weren't happy, then you shouldn't have saved it.

Set age 18

Set wrinkles to 0

Smoothed the facial complexion.

 

On leaving the editor. She looked fine.

In game, she looked trash. And at that point I had already remade my character in the beta and started from scratch, about 8 times.

 

When patch 1.11 dropped with the ability to edit, I edited my character.

Low and behold. Her age had been set to 40, not 18. Wrinkles set to max and facial complexion set to weathered etc. NOT options I selected.

This was a bug during the early beta build that was later fixed many many months later.

 

Back in March, I simply didn't feel like deleting a toon who was level 100 with 10k cash, 5 horses and all guns, to then start again from scratch and hope the bug wouldn't strike again.

[Ledorus]

My beta character's face was also affected, not terribly, but it's definitely not the same. I don't think this change was intentional, and may instead be a bug. My reasoning for this is because I noticed in the player list my character's avatar still had a skinny face. I went into the companion app for a look, compared it to his face pre-patch and it looked identical.

 

I wouldn't recommend changing your face ATM, because if Rockstar does fix whatever is going on here your character's face could be messed up all over again.

 

Also for the people that did change their face, did the face fatten up again?

[Jason]

1 hour ago, Red Lynx 23 said:

I have an old and a recent screencap of my RDO character. I cannot decide if she got the puffy face glitch or not...

 

Is that heritage 11? From what I've seen of my own and other heritage 11 characters, I don't think that particular heritage got hit hard by it. From what I can tell the head got slightly widened which is mainly only noticeable if you had a high and narrow jaw.