Fat Faces Are Here to Stay

[Leftover Pizza]

48 minutes ago, Jason said:

It has to do with all players, there's no reason to single out veteran players. No one has lost progress from this, it's your characters appearance which can be fixed. If it's effecting everybody then everybody should get the same treatment, which as I've said before they should be handing out free character changes if they can't revert it. The balls in Rockstar's court on this.

 

Okay, so now we've gone through this bit, how exactly are they highly valuing veteran players? I tried showing they don't, now I'd like to invite you to show how you think they do, which was the point I'm questioning.

[AStiffBreeze]

4 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

 

Okay, so now we've gone through this bit, how exactly are they highly valuing veteran players? I tried showing they don't, now I'd like to invite you to show how you think they do, which was the point I'm questioning.

Giving veteran players the ability to earn 210 gold bars in the 3 week lead up to the DLC was pretty cool. As a result of that, none of us vets have been struggling to buy the new DLC stuff, or at least I haven’t. 

 

I suppose you could argue that you only needed 6 weeks in the game to benefit from that, but I feel like there’s a pretty big overlap between ‘veteran’ players and ones that played regularly in the 6 weeks prior to a DLC. 

[RaigeGames]

4 minutes ago, AStiffBreeze said:

Giving veteran players the ability to earn 210 gold bars in the 3 week lead up to the DLC was pretty cool. As a result of that, none of us vets have been struggling to buy the new DLC stuff, or at least I haven’t. 

 

I suppose you could argue that you only needed 6 weeks in the game to benefit from that, but I feel like there’s a pretty big overlap between ‘veteran’ players and ones that played regularly in the 6 weeks prior to a DLC. 

They also gave free money and gold a few times to players who played in the beginning 

[TiberiusMcQueen]

I don't feel like I should be entitled to a bunch of exclusive stuff that gets withheld from others just because they haven't played as long as I have, and are we seriously talking about "Veteran players" in an online game that hasn't even been out for a year? Rockstar very much did reward players who have been here from the beginning, they did it during Beta, with a s***load of free gold.

Edited September 19, 2019 by TiberiusMcQueen

[Leftover Pizza]

13 minutes ago, AStiffBreeze said:

Giving veteran players the ability to earn 210 gold bars in the 3 week lead up to the DLC was pretty cool. As a result of that, none of us vets have been struggling to buy the new DLC stuff, or at least I haven’t. 

 

I suppose you could argue that you only needed 6 weeks in the game to benefit from that, but I feel like there’s a pretty big overlap between ‘veteran’ players and ones that played regularly in the 6 weeks prior to a DLC. 

 

You are mentioning benefits for playing longer, which indeed many new players could benefit from too. 

 

8 minutes ago, RaigeGames said:

They also gave free money and gold a few times to players who played in the beginning 

 

We were all new players at that time of day. The game was about 2-3 months in Beta when we got that. 

 

6 minutes ago, TiberiusMcQueen said:

I don't feel like I should be entitled to a bunch of exclusive stuff that gets withheld from others just because they haven't played as long as I have, and are we seriously talking about "Veteran players" in an online game that hasn't even been out for a year? Rockstar very much did reward players who have been here from the beginning.

 

This is all nice and true, but still no answer to the thing Jason says and I defy; Rockstar valuing veteran players in their online games. 

Edited September 19, 2019 by Leftover Pizza

[Jason]

They valued veteran players by releasing a huge update last week. That is literally all we've asked for since launch and we got it. Some small currency bonus or an exclusive cosmetic item isn't rewarding veteran players, that's an incentive to log in and them immediately log off. Content is the incentive to play and that's what veteran players want to continue to do.

 

We have absolutely no need for anything else.

[Leftover Pizza]

12 minutes ago, Jason said:

They valued veteran players by releasing a huge update last week. That is literally all we've asked for since launch and we got it. Some small currency bonus or an exclusive cosmetic item isn't rewarding veteran players, that's an incentive to log in and them immediately log off. Content is the incentive to play and that's what veteran players want to continue to do.

 

We have absolutely no need for anything else.

 

I normally value your input on things, but not in this case. They released the huge update to save their game from dying and attracting new players and have something to thrown in the balance of all the negative feedback they've gotten repeatedly. We got elements of what we've asked for, but we've asked the obvious. We've also asked for a number of game fixes or game modes, which they conveniently ignore. Issues long time players never seen resolved. 

But, okay, if you see this update as a valuation for veteran players, all power to you. Can't agree with you there, but lets agree to disagree.

[deadx23]

Good news everyone! I logged in r* site and found a pic

so this is my  character with her new fat face, your welcome.

Edited September 19, 2019 by deadx23

[Jason]

17 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

They released the huge update to save their game from dying and attracting new players and have something to thrown in the balance of all the negative feedback they've gotten repeatedly.

What they released the update for isn't really the important thing, them releasing the update is. The game was struggling due to the lack of content we all know that, but what's the alternative? They just say f*ck it and let the game die? I'm not sure why we should be critical or dismissive of them actually trying to improve the game.

 

17 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

We got elements of what we've asked for, but we've asked the obvious. We've also asked for a number of game fixes or game modes, which they conveniently ignore. Issues long time players never seen resolved. 

We asked for the obvious cause it was top of most peoples most wanted lists. The lobby situation is another conversation and there's definitely something to be said about Rockstar barely even acknowledging that players want it. Bugs persisting after months and after patches sucks yea, but bugs are easy to shrug off when you're having fun and you have something to do which personally speaking has been my case. Not an excuse to not fix them but as a player they haven't been greatly impacting my experience in-game.

 

17 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

But, okay, if you see this update as a valuation for veteran players, all power to you. Can't agree with you there, but lets agree to disagree.

I'm curious, what to you would be valuing veteran players in-game?

 

Cash? We've been a bunch of that since launch day, during the "dark times" when there was nothing to do but hunt. Gold? We've been given that too during the same time and hell, pre-update they ran double rewards on daily challenges for 3 weeks, something which veteran players benefited GREATLY from due to the streak bonuses only veterans had. Those three weeks essentially paid for the entire update for veterans.

 

The other thing is cosmetics, a fancy "veteran" coat or something, sure that'd be kinda nice but in my experience of playing MMO's and other online games that have given veterans the odd "thank you" cosmetic.. no body wears them. People like looking unique. Even then, we actually do have an element of exclusive cosmetics in game right now as a lot of the Feb update clothing hasn't returned to the store, particularly things like the Morning-Tail Coat which a lot of people want.

 

This is all just my opinion but personally speaking I've seen communities go to sh*t because of veteran entitlement and I've even seen games go to sh*t because devs bend over backwards for veteran players which is a dark rabbit hole to go down. In my experience the best way to value veterans is to support the game with good new content, giving them new things to play and earn. A new player isn't going to waltz straight into the game and catch up, especially not with this new form of progression in RDO with the Roles stuff.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited September 19, 2019 by Jason

[RyuNova]

I will admit that the free Gold Bars at the beginning is one of the only reasons I am still here. Everything locked behind stupid Grind/Level/Paywalls, little to do, crap payouts etc. I bought the toys I wanted with cold hard Gold.

[Jason]

That double gold on challenges basically allowed me to not give a sh*t about cash this update which I only had like 2k of last week. I was able to buy the pass and the roles and then a bunch of the new stuff that I wouldn't have been able to afford otherwise.

[P.T.]

So i just got done with a chat.... this is literally a copy and paste of the explination:

 

"I would like to inform you that a fix has been released to address the issue with character creator." 

 

I asked if this fix was in an update out today ? 

"it was fixed in previous update" 

 

i explained that the update yesterday is what broke things instead of fixing anything.

"I understand your point and we are aware of an issue and this has been fixed in recent update."

 

[Leftover Pizza]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

What they released the update for isn't really the important thing, them releasing the update is. The game was struggling due to the lack of content we all know that, but what's the alternative? They just say f*ck it and let the game die? I'm not sure why we should be critical or dismissive of them actually trying to improve the game.

 

The game was struggling because it lacked content. The game also lacked new players, who read all the negative feedback on social media and refrain from buying the game. This update is not, like you said, to value the long time player. It's to value the new ones, who bring in new money. 

 

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

We asked for the obvious cause it was top of most peoples most wanted lists. The lobby situation is another conversation and there's definitely something to be said about Rockstar barely even acknowledging that players want it. Bugs persisting after months and after patches sucks yea, but bugs are easy to shrug off when you're having fun and you have something to do which personally speaking has been my case. Not an excuse to not fix them but as a player they haven't been greatly impacting my experience in-game.

 

We've asked for what we saw was possible within the game limits and what we've experienced in the single player game. Each role has very familiar elements of what we had as side missions in the story campaign. Extra butchers? Haven't seen them. Trapper? Haven't seen any. Housing? Uh..., what? We got the things we asked for, because it was already in the game to a certain extend. We've asked for more PvE. Their answer "Here's new Showdown modes!". Many have asked for the sodding cards to be rid off. Their answer "Here's new cards coming in soon!".

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

I'm curious, what to you would be valuing veteran players?

 

Cash? We've been a bunch of that since launch day, during the "dark times" when there was nothing to do but hunt. Gold? We've been given that too during the same time and hell, pre-update they ran double rewards on daily challenges for 3 weeks, something which veteran players benefited GREATLY from due to the streak bonuses only veterans had. Those three weeks essentially paid for the entire update for veterans.

 

The other thing is cosmetics, a fancy "veteran" coat or something, sure that'd be kinda nice but in my experience of playing MMO's and other online games that have given veterans the odd "thank you" cosmetic.. no body wears them. People like looking unique. Even then, we actually do have an element of exclusive cosmetics in game right now as a lot of the Feb update clothing hasn't returned to the store, particularly things like the Morning-Tail Coat which a lot of people want.

 

A small token would suffice. Doesn't even have to be a give away, but a cosmetic thing which is no longer obtainable and adds some value to your character would work. But simple and clear communication to changes that has a high possibility of game play changing effects is what I see as value to long time players. A message about the upcoming change in character appearances, because of (what I guess) game stability reasons and offer an additional free appearance change beforehand. Long time players are informed and aren't surprised with a potatoe head character. Characters they've been grown attached to over time. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

This is all just my opinion but personally speaking I've seen communities go to sh*t because of veteran entitlement and I've even seen games go to sh*t because devs bend over backwards for veteran players which is a dark rabbit hole to go down. In my experience the best way to value veterans is to support the game with good new content, giving them new things to play and earn. A new player isn't going to waltz straight into the game and catch up, especially not with this new form of progression in RDO with the Roles stuff.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I respect your opinion, but you present it as a fact to disagree with my comment. And no, a new player isn't gonna waltz straight into this game. It took us exactly 2-3 days to max out the biggest money maker. A new player might need a week until they can buy a metal detector, if they don't spend real money on gold bars to purchase items with. 

 

[The Dedito Gae]

40 minutes ago, deadx23 said:

Good news everyone! I logged in r* site and found a pic

so this is my  character with her new fat face, your welcome.

Her cheeks look fine tbh... im more worried about her receding chin.

[DeadEyeAdler]

Been looking at my character and with the right hairstyle she still looks fairly decent, especially from the side. Feel sorry for anyone who's face already had some weight lol. A head slider option is definitely needed.

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

The game was struggling because it lacked content. The game also lacked new players, who read all the negative feedback on social media and refrain from buying the game. This update is not, like you said, to value the long time player. It's to value the new ones, who bring in new money. 

To clarify what I meant, I'm not saying it's aimed at veteran players only I'm saying it's aimed at everyone, new and old. Veteran players can spend money too, cause a lot of veteran players can be players who played once at launch and never touched the game since. Unless we're determining veteran status by stats which is a slippery slope, and people can hit level 100+ in 2-3 weeks, so new players would be counted too.

 

What I'm trying to say is that little gifts don't go a long way for veteran players, they'll get us to log in and get a reward but if there's no content then we log off, so I'd much rather have the content. I want to play the game and be rewarded by earning things, I don't particularly care for being handed gifts cause I've played since X day or I'm X level.

 

Anywho, we'll be at this for hours if we continue much long I'm guessing. I don't disagree with you on a lot of it, their communication is poo and stuff like yesterdays update breaking faces without warning and still no word from it is poo, their silence on lobbies is poo, etc. I just aint fond of the idea of in-game gifts for veteran players for the reasons I've said, I just want stuff to do basically.

 

Now I'ma watch the football.

[deadx23]

12 minutes ago, The Deadite said:

Her cheeks look fine tbh... im more worried about her receding chin.

I'm not worried I like what I see and I see what I like, the hands though that's another story... 

Edited September 19, 2019 by deadx23
Not enough middle fingers

[TiberiusMcQueen]

17 minutes ago, P.T. said:

So i just got done with a chat.... this is literally a copy and paste of the explination:

 

"I would like to inform you that a fix has been released to address the issue with character creator." 

 

I asked if this fix was in an update out today ? 

"it was fixed in previous update" 

 

i explained that the update yesterday is what broke things instead of fixing anything.

"I understand your point and we are aware of an issue and this has been fixed in recent update."

 

Reading comprehension is not particularly strong amongst Rockstar's support staff.

[Next-Gen Vercettis]

These are different, right? Just want to check I'm not seeing things before I spend gold and time to change it.

 

The top was a few days ago. The bottom was today. 

[TiberiusMcQueen]

8 minutes ago, Next-Gen Vercettis said:

These are different, right? Just want to check I'm not seeing things before I spend gold and time to change it.

 

The top was a few days ago. The bottom was today. 

Not seeing things, and while you can try to get it closer to where it was, the simple fact of the matter is we don't have a slider for the width of our character's heads, so no amount of alterations will get it back to where it was before.

[Vice Beach]

33 minutes ago, Next-Gen Vercettis said:

These are different, right? Just want to check I'm not seeing things before I spend gold and time to change it.

 

The top was a few days ago. The bottom was today. 

Literally identical to my guy. Same heritage, haircut, stubble. RIP. No amount of fidgeting in the CC will get him back. The new head model is shorter and wider.

[Next-Gen Vercettis]

I give up.

Spent ages in the editor and was quite happy with it, although not as good as it was. Went back to free roam and it looks completely different to in the editor. Worse than when I started. 

And now has a squint so bad I can't even see his eyes. 

 

 

I'm so annoyed right now, I don't even want to play the game and have to look at that. 

[Assblaster]

As a veteran player the only appreciation I want R* to extend to us vets is not to mess up our beta characters so that new players can have an easier time of it in the character creator. I made some good-looking characters with the old creator, it just took a lot of tweaking. It took time and patience but it worked alright.

 

They shouldn't have changed anything if it was going to alter older characters. That's a pretty hard slap in the face of their diehard playerbase. Pretty stupid move if you ask me.

[Dark Spark]

If you're not having any success salvaging the face by making the cheeks/jaw narrow, may I suggest trying to make the face taller instead? Lengthen the chin, raise the eyes, and put a little more space between the eyes, nose and mouth.

 

Both my post-beta characters were built that way from the ground-up. There was only so much you could do to make the face narrow, so I had to lengthen it to carry off the desired result.

[Karen Daniels]

2 hours ago, TiberiusMcQueen said:

Reading comprehension is not particularly strong amongst Rockstar's support staff.

No it is not. First chat support I got the guy was basically giving me the classic IT101 speech... asking me to go into the creator and fix her and he would credit my account with 10 gold. The second one is whom the screenshots are taken from that kicked off this thread.

 

It seems however that this was an intended change by Rockstar but they did nothing to mention it. Again... I have no issues with a change, but when it is something as drastic as this was, not giving players a headsup of any type is a f*ck up on a higher level. We all rushed to change our faces on the 10th only for them to be Stalloned 8 days later.

 

The best thing Rockstar could do is revert the facial structures back and credit everyone with a free appearance change voucher. Nuff said.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Karen Daniels

[TheLordMarvel]

So does the fat faces affect all beta characters? 

 

I'll have to really look close to Colt to see if he's changed. Something did feel off earlier tho.

[TiberiusMcQueen]

If this is indeed intentional then they really should've told us in advance, and not charged anyone gold for character edits until at least a week after they made this change, as it is I feel like my female character has been robbed of the free edit and 10 gold that I spent on changing her appearance twice prior to this, and support has yet to respond to my complaint, I'm going to be pestering them until my character gets refunded for the two edits that I used prior to yesterday's update.

Edited September 19, 2019 by TiberiusMcQueen

[RyuNova]

15 minutes ago, TiberiusMcQueen said:

If this is indeed intentional then they really should've told us in advance, and not charged anyone gold for character edits until at least a week after they made this change, as it is I feel like my female character has been robbed of the free edit and 10 gold that I spent on changing her appearance twice prior to this, and support has yet to respond to my complaint, I'm going to be pestering them until my character gets refunded for the two edits that I used prior to yesterday's update.

 

Someone said that the free face change after the Roles update should have been free for a week but according to what someone else said the changes we are seeing should have been applied when the Roles update dropped and everyone was put on the new slider system. FOr some reason this part of the update was held back and the result is that everyone has used their free face change and get lumped with this.

[SeekingAsylum]

The only thing that leads me to believe that this is unintentional is that it was never mentioned in the patch notes whatsoever; be it the notes for the update on the 10th or 1.12 on the 18th.

 

One would think they'd make note of a change that large in there or in advance, but that didn't happen here. Just from the stir this has generated all over, I feel they'll have to respond to it at some point sooner rather than later. All I know is that I'm not touching the editor until there's some kind of confirmation or another fix to address the issue. I really don't want to make a bad situation worse.

 

"Various stability fixes" doesn't really cover all the bases, and definitely doesn't sum up a change this drastic and without warning. However, if this ends up being how things are going to stay, I'll just have to suck it up and try to make something else out of it. Not much more can be done in that case. I really, highly doubt this is anything other than a bug, though.

[Zoobz]

They need to reverse whatever they did. People spend ages / money / gold to change their characters in the first week of the update, only to have them changed now. Not cool.