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TicTac2930

The new launcher what do you think about it?

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nido997
11 hours ago, Arrows to Athens said:

I've never understood why leaving a job without completing it gave you BS points. How does leaving a job make you a dick or a cheater?

I kind of understand what R* is trying to do there, i mean it sucks when somebody leaves in the middle of a job or a LTS, because then, the whole job get canceled and everybody gets kicked... But why am i a bad guy when it's clearly R*' s fault? 

Btw, i reinstalled the launcher and no crashes whatsoever after 2 h playing... 

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EkaSwede
21 hours ago, SNAIL said:

Unfortunately it didn't. If any, for me it stabilised the crashes to a steady 20mins every time. 

Yep, you're right. One session I was in for about 20 minutes, then it froze, but it then resumed and I played for another one and half hour beforeI  quit. Today's session it froze and crashed.

 

Guess I'm going to have to wait until the next major update.

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Hellbendzor

I got so fed up with these crashes, I uninstalled the game and redownloaded all 82Gig... Today I was able to play 1hour straight without any crashes.. The only thing that crashed was my desire to play the game..

I have enough cash, my goals are met and I think it's time to switch to my secondary and go hunt the last rare NPC-cars I need ( BF-injection and surfer)...

 

Haven't tried the new survivals yet and I don't think I will. I hate those damn juggernaut npcs in other missions (doomsday heist), so I can't bring myself to confront those and make my day miserable again.. 🙂

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Agatha Baker
On 9/18/2019 at 4:23 AM, Garland137 said:

I don't understand why they wasted time on this pointless nonsense.  The installation failed 3 different times, and after an hour I finally load into Online just to have the game crash in the first 30 seconds!  Quit screwing around with launchers, R*, and fix the game itself.

I have the same crap daily since this launcher BS. Nice going devs.

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TheGhostFromPast
Posted (edited)

What do I think about it?! It's awful to say the least! It was already bad enough when GTA V had random crahses and other issues in 3 out of 7 days in a week, now it's even worse! Since the day, when new launcher came out, there is only 1-2 days in a week when I don't have to experience random GTA V crashes and other problems! Not to mention that it's annoying when nowadays every video game company releases it's own launcher! And it seems like this new launcher doesn't stop cheaters from cheating, but, for a moment, it does stop players from earning money in a legitimate way, because crashes usually happens when I try to earn some money! If this is an attempt to force me to buy shark cards then they can shove it in a place where sun never shines, because such attempt will rather make me stop playing GTAO than buy shark cards!

 

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mute!

seems like the issues have been fixed? I played a lot yesterday for at least an hour at a time and didn't run into any crashes.

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TheGhostFromPast
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On 10/6/2019 at 4:18 PM, mute! said:

seems like the issues have been fixed? I played a lot yesterday for at least an hour at a time and didn't run into any crashes.

 

Well...not really. At least not in my case. Today, at least so far, unexpected crashes didn't happen, but a new problem showed up.  😐

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Wastelander (Suzuki)

Anyone here figure out a way to passby this bullsh*t on the Steam Version? I would like to be able to enjoy some of the single player mods that have been coming out of late without having to deal with bullsh*t DRM that was shoveware'd into the Steam Version because "Muh 30% bruh" logic (Seriously R*/T2? Like you don't already make enough money, if your so assmad about Steam taking a 30% cut on a 6-7 year old game, maybe you should rebalance your spreadsheets and wake up and smell the sh*t filled air of a looming Industry Crash if that's the case).

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flexcreator
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Wastelander (Suzuki) said:

Anyone here figure out a way to passby this bullsh*t on the Steam Version? I would like to be able to enjoy some of the single player mods that have been coming out of late without having to deal with bullsh*t

^ I'm running singleplayer mods with the Warehouse edition + new launcher, but I don't understand why it wouldn't work with the Steam version? Did you update the Script Hook ?

 

PS

To all the people that are blaming new launcher for crashes

1) I don't see any reason why it would be responsible

2) Crashes started before the launcher was released

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Wastelander (Suzuki)
1 minute ago, flexcreator said:

^ I'm running singleplayer mods with the Warehouse edition + new launcher, but I don't understand why it wouldn't work with the Steam version? Did you update the Script Hook ?

 

PS

To all the people that are blaming new launcher for crashes

1) I don't see any reason why it would be responsible

2) Crashes started before the launcher was released

Let me explain, I do not want to deal with the bullsh*t of having to deal with this sh*t DRM Launcher they forced as a "Requirement" in the Steam Version via a update. There for, I ask again, does anyone know a way to force a work around to avoid having Steam force the update on startup and in turn having to deal with useless bloatware? Something along the lines of the F4SE.exe work around for Fallout 4 to avoid having to deal with Creation Club Updates?

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TheGhostFromPast
1 hour ago, flexcreator said:

^ I'm running singleplayer mods with the Warehouse edition + new launcher, but I don't understand why it wouldn't work with the Steam version? Did you update the Script Hook ?

 

PS

To all the people that are blaming new launcher for crashes

1) I don't see any reason why it would be responsible

2) Crashes started before the launcher was released

 

 

Yeah, crashes happened before the new launcher was released, but now it's worse. These crashes happen more often than before!

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bevlian89

What's the deal with these incessant Windows uac prompts when the Launcher wants to update every time I load the game?

 

Curious, what other games do this apart from patching MP add-ons?

 

Not necessary, and another reason I cant be afk for 5 minutes while Online loads to make a drink or drop the kids off, just to accept the multiple requests Account Control wants me to confirm. Great!

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rodriguez_pc
On 10/7/2019 at 8:36 PM, TheGhostFromPast said:

 

 

Yeah, crashes happened before the new launcher was released, but now it's worse. These crashes happen more often than before!

True, the launcher isn't to blame. It's still annoying bloatware but also catching all the hate for the crashes seems a bit unfair.

The tunables speculation from that massive crash thread on steam forums also looks like BS to me. If it were a simple tunables issue it would have been fixed long ago.

Thing is, only Nvidia users on Windows 10 seem to be reporting crash problems, I don't remember seeing anyone with a stable Radeon system complaining about this. Still there is a guy on Nvidia forums claiming that this is 100% R*'s fault. I'm at a loss on how he can claim this when the evidence against it is pretty clear, personal experience included.

The October 8 update to Social Club (from version 2.0.2.5 to 2.0.3.1) sadly did not fix anything. I was hoping it did, so I put on the latest 436.48 drivers to test. It did not crash as often as the pre-patch + 436.30 combo but still the game cannot be considered stable -- all sessions ended in a crash, longest one was around 2 hours, shortest around 30 minutes.

 

There are 2 ways to fix this, or at least make the occurences rare enough that you can actually play:

 1. Do a clean install of any 431.xx driver (431.60 is the latest 'game ready' on this branch and supports up to and including RTX 2080S; Pascal and Turing users who are looking for maximum stability should go for the 431.86 'studio driver'). 431.86 and 431.60 are both 100% stable for me (gtx 1080 on windows 10 version 1903); I crashed like 2 or 3 times tops in 10+ hours of gameplay, and every time it happened there were cheaters in the session interfering.

 2. Switch to Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 -- not recommended for obvious reasons, but if you have a pre-Skylake Intel rig and don't mind (soon to be) EOL windows, then this is pretty much guaranteed to work.

 

TL;DR version -- If you're crashing a lot and you have Windows 10, Nvidia video card and running drivers 436.30 or newer, downgrading drivers is the first thing you need to try.

 

 

4 hours ago, bevlian89 said:

What's the deal with these incessant Windows uac prompts when the Launcher wants to update every time I load the game?

 

Curious, what other games do this apart from patching MP add-ons?

 

Not necessary, and another reason I cant be afk for 5 minutes while Online loads to make a drink or drop the kids off, just to accept the multiple requests Account Control wants me to confirm. Great!

Probably because it was your first launch of the game since October 8 . Every time an update to social club is pushed its installation is mandatory at first run.

This also happens every time after you do a file integrity check on the Steam version.

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TheGhostFromPast
9 hours ago, rodriguez_pc said:

True, the launcher isn't to blame. It's still annoying bloatware but also catching all the hate for the crashes seems a bit unfair.

The tunables speculation from that massive crash thread on steam forums also looks like BS to me. If it were a simple tunables issue it would have been fixed long ago.

Thing is, only Nvidia users on Windows 10 seem to be reporting crash problems, I don't remember seeing anyone with a stable Radeon system complaining about this. Still there is a guy on Nvidia forums claiming that this is 100% R*'s fault. I'm at a loss on how he can claim this when the evidence against it is pretty clear, personal experience included.

The October 8 update to Social Club (from version 2.0.2.5 to 2.0.3.1) sadly did not fix anything. I was hoping it did, so I put on the latest 436.48 drivers to test. It did not crash as often as the pre-patch + 436.30 combo but still the game cannot be considered stable -- all sessions ended in a crash, longest one was around 2 hours, shortest around 30 minutes.

 

 

 

But it seems like it is new launcher's fault that amount of crashes has increased significantly and new problems like stuttering are showing up! GTA V wasn't crashing that often before and I didn't had to deal with awful stuttering before, which makes the game practically unplayable! Not to mention that before they released new launcher there even was a moment when everything worked surprisingly good! 

 

 

And what makes you think only Nvidia users on Windows 10 reports about these crash problems?! Where did you get the idea that I use Nvidia, when I haven't mentioned anything specific about my PC?!

 

 

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rodriguez_pc
1 hour ago, TheGhostFromPast said:

 

But it seems like it is new launcher's fault that amount of crashes has increased significantly and new problems like stuttering are showing up! GTA V wasn't crashing that often before and I didn't had to deal with awful stuttering before, which makes the game practically unplayable! Not to mention that before they released new launcher there even was a moment when everything worked surprisingly good! 

 

 

And what makes you think only Nvidia users on Windows 10 reports about these crash problems?! Where did you get the idea that I use Nvidia, when I haven't mentioned anything specific about my PC?!

 

 

Just because I quoted your post doesn't mean I'm talking about your system specifically. I have no idea what video card you got.

If you exclude the Nvidia forums where obviously all non-troll people are using nvidia cards, on the neutral ones -guru3d, steam, reddit- I cannot recall a single instance of Radeon card having these exact symptoms. It's always Nvidia cards on 436.xx drivers on Windows 10, sometimes even on older drivers that work for me and a lot more other people.

 

Now back to the launcher...

I might be repeating myself here but here goes:

My crashing problem has started with the 436.30 driver which was released on September 10. The new launcher was released a few days later. And yes I did play every day (or tried to) between Sept. 10 and Sept. 16/17 (idk when exactly the new launcher was pushed). That leaves me with almost one week of constant crashing on the old Social Club. The new launcher changed nothing for me on this matter, it was crashing before, it was crashing after. Only thing that stops it is running 431.xx drivers.

As someone who plays this game pretty regularly, I ran the game plenty of hours on pretty much all the drivers that came out since the Casino update. Yes, I remember that for the first couple of days after DLC launch the game crashed a few times and not always due to modders, but the problem seems to have fixed itself (with no game update or driver update needed, maybe it was due to server load with all the returning players) and it was nowhere near as bad as my post-436.30 experience.

 

Based on what I witnessed on my own system, I find the Rockstar Launcher 'not guilty' here. I'm not saying or trying to convince people that this is absolutely true though.

I think that for a lot if not most Nvidia users the upgrade to 436.30 overlapped with the R* Launcher push (because not everyone upgrades their graphics drivers on day 1) and the launcher gets blamed because, out of the two, it is the most obvious change to any player. Then on October 8 we got an update to Social Club and Launcher, which did not fix the problem; yes, I did seem to get better results with my recent 436.48 test, but with the crashes being completely random from the beginning, I cannot exclude the possibility of dumb luck. Still had to revert to 431.60 to become stable again.

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oleg_aka_djmeg
50 minutes ago, rodriguez_pc said:

 It's always Nvidia cards on 436.xx drivers on Windows 10, sometimes even on older drivers that work for me and a lot more other people.

 

i had great success with 436.15 on w10.

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rodriguez_pc

^ 436.02 and 436.15 worked for me too but some people had problems with those as well. That is why I used 431.86 and now 431.60, that branch is safer at least for Pascal and older cards.

436.30 and up are no go for GTA, I don't think there's anyone not crashing with those on windows 10. Other than those who just load the game for their daiy casino wheel spin and that's it.

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TheGhostFromPast
1 hour ago, rodriguez_pc said:

Just because I quoted your post doesn't mean I'm talking about your system specifically. I have no idea what video card you got.

If you exclude the Nvidia forums where obviously all non-troll people are using nvidia cards, on the neutral ones -guru3d, steam, reddit- I cannot recall a single instance of Radeon card having these exact symptoms. It's always Nvidia cards on 436.xx drivers on Windows 10, sometimes even on older drivers that work for me and a lot more other people.

 

Now back to the launcher...

I might be repeating myself here but here goes:

My crashing problem has started with the 436.30 driver which was released on September 10. The new launcher was released a few days later. And yes I did play every day (or tried to) between Sept. 10 and Sept. 16/17 (idk when exactly the new launcher was pushed). That leaves me with almost one week of constant crashing on the old Social Club. The new launcher changed nothing for me on this matter, it was crashing before, it was crashing after. Only thing that stops it is running 431.xx drivers.

As someone who plays this game pretty regularly, I ran the game plenty of hours on pretty much all the drivers that came out since the Casino update. Yes, I remember that for the first couple of days after DLC launch the game crashed a few times and not always due to modders, but the problem seems to have fixed itself (with no game update or driver update needed, maybe it was due to server load with all the returning players) and it was nowhere near as bad as my post-436.30 experience.

 

Based on what I witnessed on my own system, I find the Rockstar Launcher 'not guilty' here. I'm not saying or trying to convince people that this is absolutely true though.

I think that for a lot if not most Nvidia users the upgrade to 436.30 overlapped with the R* Launcher push (because not everyone upgrades their graphics drivers on day 1) and the launcher gets blamed because, out of the two, it is the most obvious change to any player. Then on October 8 we got an update to Social Club and Launcher, which did not fix the problem; yes, I did seem to get better results with my recent 436.48 test, but with the crashes being completely random from the beginning, I cannot exclude the possibility of dumb luck. Still had to revert to 431.60 to become stable again.

 

 

You said only Nvidia users on Windows 10 seem to be reporting crash problems! I'm among these people, who reported about these crashes, yet I didn't mentioned what kind of video card I have!

 

I doubt it's just Nvidia's fault or Nvidia's fault at all, because some people I know, who has Nvidia's video cards, said that they have problems only with GTA V, the rest of the games works good for them. 

 

 

If new launcher isn't guilty at all then please explain me how come that amount of crashes has increased since the day when they released new launcher?! Coincidence? I don't think so!

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rodriguez_pc

Unless there's more players with a timeline of events similar to mine saying that it crashes only since the new launcher, I'd rather believe what I've seen with my own eyes rather than other people's undated experiences.

It might not be Nvidia's fault but there is definitely a correlation. If installing the older driver is the only change I make to my system and the crashes go away, how can it NOT be driver related?

 

I just tried to explain why I think the crashes have apparently increased since the new Launcher.

2 hours ago, rodriguez_pc said:

I think that for a lot if not most Nvidia users the upgrade to 436.30 overlapped with the R* Launcher push (because not everyone upgrades their graphics drivers on day 1) and the launcher gets blamed because, out of the two, it is the most obvious change to any player.

It all comes down to that September 10 to September 16 time frame. If you were stable back then and suddenly got crashes after the new launcher  -without any other software or hardware changes to your system-  then you can blame the launcher. Also because of the random nature of these crashes you can't claim that it was crashing less before and more after. It's a binary choice, it was either crashing or it wasn't (modder sessions excluded obviously).

 

I just hope we don't have to wait until the next DLC for a fix, if Nvidia can not or will not fix it first.

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TheGhostFromPast
23 minutes ago, rodriguez_pc said:

Unless there's more players with a timeline of events similar to mine saying that it crashes only since the new launcher, I'd rather believe what I've seen with my own eyes rather than other people's undated experiences.

It might not be Nvidia's fault but there is definitely a correlation. If installing the older driver is the only change I make to my system and the crashes go away, how can it NOT be driver related?

 

I just tried to explain why I think the crashes have apparently increased since the new Launcher.

It all comes down to that September 10 to September 16 time frame. If you were stable back then and suddenly got crashes after the new launcher  -without any other software or hardware changes to your system-  then you can blame the launcher. Also because of the random nature of these crashes you can't claim that it was crashing less before and more after. It's a binary choice, it was either crashing or it wasn't (modder sessions excluded obviously).

 

I just hope we don't have to wait until the next DLC for a fix, if Nvidia can not or will not fix it first.

 

Actually I can claim that in my case it was crashing less before and more after! Why?! Because before new launcher release crashes in my case happned 2-3 times in one day in 3 out of 7 days in a week and before new launcher release I didn't had to experience any stuttering. Now crashes happen 3-6 times in one day in 5-6 days in a week and on top of it all there's stuttering.  In other words amount of crashes before and after is the reason why I can claim something like this! Don't ignore the amount of crashes before and after. If the amount of crashes before and after would be the same and new problems wouldn't show up then I really couldn't blame the new launcher at all. 

 

So yeah, it does look like new launcher isn't completely innocent, but it might as well could be that it's not just launcher. It could be new launcher and Nvidia, new launcher and Radeon or even new launcher, Nvidia/Radeon and something else. 

 

 

 

 

 

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suicidal_banana

Its strange how we're all having different experience with the new Launcher, makes me think how hardware dependent that thing somehow is? Point is, i've not crashed AT ALL since the new launcher? (having at least one crash per few hours of gameplay before this launcher) and on top of that im noticing several of the 'classic' tricks cheaters do no longer work, even if some look like they do work? not sure if those are related? in my mind they are though 😜

Yesterday i hunted down some MK2 griefer scum for a few minutes, clearly pissed the guy off as he started teleporting to me etc, he was beyond crap though so i would just axe him in the face right after teleporting, after a few times he went 'im going to ruin your profile now', forced me into my apartment, then 'sold it', but even though i was moved around and saw the messages, nothing got sold, he was saying id get a ban for rp drops, but i never got rp drops lol. I just spent 10 minutes making fun of the guy till he left, haha eat sh*t dumb cheater scum.

Point is, so far i've only seen upsides to the new launcher.

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APB

They need to fix this thing asap. There are but downsides with this sh*t. 

This dammed launcher freezes GTA mid-missions now and judging from my insight it seems to check something at those exact moments.

What it does is basically create a solo public session when it is not needed. Take for example the third Casino mission, when you arrive at the checkpoint where you are supposed to meet the cowboys with Cheng and co. the launcher freezes up the game at that exact checkpoint to check something for some reason... and what it does is separate you at that point from the rest of your teammates which then fails the mission.

 

Why does this happen? Why is this needed?

 

Bring back the good old Social Club launcher. That one was almost perfect. 

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Benny Guy

I can see that Rockstar wanted this launcher to function like any other PC game store. I'll say it's decent from my experience.

 

Question:

 

Does anybody know exactly how this new launcher affects the functionality of single player mods? (eg. the game's dependability on tools like ScriptHookV)

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Willy A. Jeep
37 minutes ago, Benny Guy said:

Does anybody know exactly how this new launcher affects the functionality of single player mods? (eg. the game's dependability on tools like ScriptHookV)

I've been running Simple Trainer and a few custom cars since the new launcher was introduced just fine. There have been reports of problems, but I haven't had any with a simple set-up. Can't say for more script-heavy things.

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TheGhostFromPast

Seems that crashing and stuttering is gone...at least for now, but I'm still not pleased with a fact that every company releases it's own launcher in these days! It would be much better and easier if there would be one launcher in which all PC games are available, but no, they have to make things more complicated! 🙄

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