Defensive Nonsense

[Bakkerbaard]

I had a look around and I couldn't find a dedicated topic for this, which seems odd.

 

Defensive Mode was already a daft idea, but it doesn't work properly either. I tried venturing back into the game since some time just now, for obvious reasons, and first thing I did was set myself to Defensive. Then I went and checked all the fancy new hats over at that snarky bastard's store in Armadillo. Perhaps I was turning the pages too angrily, but in the middle of it I was reset to Aggressive. 

After I was done browsing I stepped outside and I was able to set it back to Defensive again. A couple of seconds of standing around I was once more set to Agressive.

Is this a common bug?

 

And on a somewhat related note: Where are we on finding a way to solo-public?

Edited September 10, 2019 by Bakkerbaard
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[Non Funkable Token]

Has to be a bug. Along with several game crashes everyone is experiencing. 

 

Typical R*

[ThaBirdCoot]

41 minutes ago, Bakkerbaard said:

And on a somewhat related note: Where are we on finding a way to solo-public?

Closer to hell freezing over

[The Dedito Gae]

Im never gonna know what problem people has with defensive mode.

[Vice Beach]

It’s a bug, sometimes if a player near you is doing a trader delivery it puts you back in Offensive.

[cammopants]

Working fine with me.

[Bakkerbaard]

2 hours ago, The Deadite said:

Im never gonna know what problem people has with defensive mode.

I'll admit right now that it's a world of improvement on what RDO used to be and as long it works I'm happy I'm not getting gunned down on a whim, but Rockstar is being a medic in an ambush. You can keep patching the holes, but it would be smarter to just not walk into a warzone.

The warzone being a forced public session. I'm really struggling for a good analogy here.

[Jason]

I walk through warzones all the time in RDO, never been an issue since defensive mode was added.

 

But yea this is a bug. There's also another bug where defensive mode should now stick between sessions but sometimes it resets still.

[Nugsy]

I honestly can't see a difference at all in this system.

Admittedly I've not been watching intently but it seems every time I change lobby / reload after a crash / exit a showdown etc - I'll be in aggressive mode just like before.

 

Obviously I had set it to Defensive and trusted Rockstar's claims that it would now remember. It doesn't.

IMO we need an option to select our default status within the 'online options' menu.

Edited September 11, 2019 by Nugsy

[Bakkerbaard]

It did stick between sessions. I had it on Defensive (where it remained for quite some time) and switched sessions for one reason or another and it was still on it. It reverted again later, which I think happened because of the reason @Vice Beach mentioned. Not sure, but I think I saw a guy in a cart frantically racing by, didn't pay alot of attention to it at the time.

[netnow66]

Along with Defensive/Offensive flashing off and on, I've also had issues with hostility being raised and being accused of stealing my own horse, along with an issue with starting up the bounty hunter profession. I might wait awhile until some of these bugs are ironed out before really getting in to the update.

[Leftover Pizza]

It's a bug. I just got flagged for walking around. Very aggressive behaviour, I tell ya.

[Red Lynx 23]

I was taken out of defensive for very aggressive behavior, after shooting down four Canadian Geese.

[Bakkerbaard]

1 hour ago, Red Lynx 23 said:

I was taken out of defensive for very aggressive behavior, after shooting down four Canadian Geese.

I'm sure the geese agreed.

[chuckclc]

It was working fine, but maybe on the new update something got messed up.  I was also taken out of defensive mode just for riding my horse with no one near me. Said I was being put into offense mode for "aggressive" behavior. I knew I shouldnt have wondered off the road a bit but damn.

[Brutal Trout]

2 hours ago, Red Lynx 23 said:

I was taken out of defensive for very aggressive behavior, after shooting down four Canadian Geese.

You didn't say "sorry".

[Danish Crusader]

3 hours ago, Red Lynx 23 said:

I was taken out of defensive for very aggressive behavior, after shooting down four Canadian Geese.

I was taken out of defensive for jumping down a 1 foot drop on my horse.

I'm not even joking, this really happened.

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How this made it past the testers is beyond me. I encountered this the first time after 10 minutes of playing the new update... How could they not know about this?

[Leftover Pizza]

I'm not really bothered with it much. No one hassles you much anyway. More than half the people I see are not in Defensive Mode out there. They don't bother me, I don't bother them. The ones who do bother me, don't bother me long. 

[Ghoffman9]

2 hours ago, Danish Crusader said:

I was taken out of defensive for jumping down a 1 foot drop on my horse.

I'm not even joking, this really happened.

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How this made it past the testers is beyond me. I encountered this the first time after 10 minutes of playing the new update... How could they not know about this?

Its the way companies do it now. Patches are both a blessing and a curse. With the ability to fix a game after release came the "Release it now, fix it later" mentality that many companies are now fond of. Bethesda been huge fans of that with their latest game.

[Bakkerbaard]

Basically, we are the testers.

Which doesn't even bother me that much. I always wanted a job in the gaming industry.

[StyxTx]

8 hours ago, Leftover Pizza said:

I'm not really bothered with it much. No one hassles you much anyway. More than half the people I see are not in Defensive Mode out there. They don't bother me, I don't bother them. The ones who do bother me, don't bother me long. 

No one bothers you now, but for all those people watching youtube to find the fast ways to level up their roles rather than actually work at it, they will be bored in a week or two and back to their usual BS.

15 hours ago, netnow66 said:

Along with Defensive/Offensive flashing off and on, I've also had issues with hostility being raised and being accused of stealing my own horse, along with an issue with starting up the bounty hunter profession. I might wait awhile until some of these bugs are ironed out before really getting in to the update.

I haven't seen it since the update, but the "horse theft" thing when coming out of a stable or hopping onto my horse outside of a store got ridiculous before the update.

[Leftover Pizza]

My aggressive behaviour of today, concerning Defensive Mode disabling:

 

- reading the catalogue at the General Store in Tumble Weed.

 

- riding out of Blackwater, after arriving there using fast travel....

 

 

Edited September 12, 2019 by Leftover Pizza

[*Lola]

Defensive mode also turns off after a story mission.

[ThaBirdCoot]

Today it has not disabled itself for me. But I stayed in a same session for a couple hours, no disconnects thankfully. But I had some insane stutter lag and freezes on trader stuff though.

 

Yesterday it happened almost every time I turned it on suddenly after a few minutes i changed to offensive. On one instance I recall killing wolves so I thought because of predators but then it happened again just after leaving a store & whistling my horse. Looks like there isn't any logic behind what triggers it.

[Danish Crusader]

1 hour ago, ThaBirdCoot said:

Today it has not disabled itself for me

Did for me, once was my own fault, I shot an NPC and because I use high volacity rounds I also hit a player by mistake.

Second time, I got blamed for someone riding off a cliff with his horse and critically injuring it(I recorded it to see what the hell happened). The game decided to hit me with aggressive behavior and throw me out of defensive mode.

 

Both incidents went without anyone killing anyone, lucky me =P

Edited September 12, 2019 by Danish Crusader

[ThaBirdCoot]

3 minutes ago, Danish Crusader said:

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Really weird all that lol

Edited September 12, 2019 by ThaBirdCoot

[darastix]

Defensive mode is better than the chaos that was at launch, but I still fail to see why players don't get a wanted status when killing another player who's non aggressive, but stare at an NPC to long and here comes Ranger Bob and his goon squad of deputies.

[Danish Crusader]

Speaking of defensive turning off at random... Is anyone elses Camp Flag being lowered at random too?

Mine seems to lower itself out of nowhere.

[StyxTx]

22 hours ago, darastix said:

Defensive mode is better than the chaos that was at launch, but I still fail to see why players don't get a wanted status when killing another player who's non aggressive, but stare at an NPC to long and here comes Ranger Bob and his goon squad of deputies.

Why? For a 5 cent bounty? NPC lawmen who can't shoot for anything and are dumber than a rock. They need to make NPC's a lot better fighters than they are now.

4 hours ago, Danish Crusader said:

Speaking of defensive turning off at random... Is anyone elses Camp Flag being lowered at random too?

Mine seems to lower itself out of nowhere.

Mine lowers quite a bit when I do missions, be they goods missions or stranger missions. Not sure how we're supposed to defend the camp when we're not there.

[Bakkerbaard]

7 hours ago, Danish Crusader said:

Speaking of defensive turning off at random... Is anyone elses Camp Flag being lowered at random too?

Mine seems to lower itself out of nowhere.

The white flag always lowers when I go do a resupply or delivery and then goes back up when I'm done, but every now and then it stays lowered. Randomly, it seems.