Ability Card Changes

[Gleeman Vox]

1 hour ago, RyuNova said:

 

Yes, I know that but it has no effect unless you dive.

Diving has nothing to do with Slippery Bastard Pre-Update or Today. Diving removes lock on until you attempt to lock on again but that has nothing to do with any abilities

Edited September 14, 2019 by Gleeman Vox

[Ryan5252]

2 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

Yes, I know that but it has no effect unless you dive.

 

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That's just not true. Before the update, if a player had locked onto you before you enabled SB by pressing L2 & R3 that lock stayed on. Diving only broke the lock, as it does in all cases regardless if SB is being used or not. If you activated BEFORE they locked on they would not get a lock and diving only serves to make aiming difficult. 

 

The reasons players dive is because it breaks a lock on, that's still true today and that's why 'griefers' or others intent on killing flopping around.

 

Edit: that said, when I used SB previously I would generally dive immediately after activating it to make sure no one had a lock on me. I imagine that's what most people done in which case it's understandable to get the impression diving activated it. 

Edited September 14, 2019 by Ryan5252

[RyuNova]

I appear to have been slightly mistaken. Its even worse, exactly like Combat Rolling in GTAO. I was right before then that people Dived and then used PiB for the kill.

 

Even so could you not simply dive to break lock-on and then activate SB to be immune to Lock-On? SB and PiB combined with Diving are a plague

Edited September 14, 2019 by RyuNova

[Ryan5252]

1 minute ago, RyuNova said:

I appear to have been slightly mistaken.

 

Its even worse, exactly like Combat Rolling in GTAO. I was right before then that people Dived and then used PiB for the kill.

Exactly, I edited my reply just as you replied. They would have to have PiB as their active dead eye card and diving breaks the lock. That's still how it is now. You can only have one active dead eye card. 

[RyuNova]

1 minute ago, Ryan5252 said:

Exactly, I edited my reply just as you replied. They would have to have PiB as their active dead eye card and diving breaks the lock. That's still how it is now. You can only have one active dead eye card. 

 

I see it now. I added an edit to my post as well. I also now see the point the other user was making where SB forced players into using Free Aim.

 

@Chrismads I apologise.

 

[Chrismads]

6 hours ago, Tormes said:

Where is the free aim in that video. Is just she running around to get close to the targets and force hand on hand combat ( with the assist that disables tapping so she never loses) . No aiming down the sights in that video whatsoever.

You're right. Linked the wrong video. 

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And they added free aim pvp lobbies, so the problem is already solved. 

What are you talking about? It's not free aim. It's strongly aim assisted

Edited September 14, 2019 by Chrismads

[gtmike]

51 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

You're right. Linked the wrong video. 

No that was the right video, it showed how stupid SB is. That player spent ten minutes drinking and eating and didn't aim a gun once. SB in a nutshell, thanks for that 

[Chrismads]

8 minutes ago, gtmike said:

No that was the right video, it showed how stupid SB is. That player spent ten minutes drinking and eating and didn't aim a gun once. SB in a nutshell, thanks for that 

I was looking for another of his Gun rush videos but can't find it. Anyway this is free aim as well

 

Just because you can't free aim it doesn't mean it can't work.

[gtmike]

5 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

I was looking for another of his Gun rush videos but can't find it. Anyway this is free aim as well

 

Just because you can't free aim it doesn't mean it can't work.

It showed that even people who claim to "freeaim" use SB like everyone else. To zig zag run and tackle, then use tap assist....hilarious.

 

The card sucked, and the game is better off without it. That's my opinion. Potion chugging zig zaggers can cry all they want.

[Chrismads]

9 hours ago, gtmike said:

It showed that even people who claim to "freeaim" use SB like everyone else. To zig zag run and tackle, then use tap assist....hilarious.

 

The card sucked, and the game is better off without it. That's my opinion. Potion chugging zig zaggers can cry all they want.

Nice discussion. People like you are like *disease* to forums lol

Edited September 15, 2019 by Chrismads

[gtmike]

19 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Nice discussion. People like you are like cancer to forums lol

Well I guess we know which type of player you were.... Using the word "cancer" like that makes you sound like a complete asshole btw

 

There's not much discussion to be had, the nerf is in place. It's just a matter of liking it or not. I do, it's not that complicated.

 

You're the one throwing up videos, trying to convince people of something. I'm just stating my opinion.

Edited September 14, 2019 by gtmike

[Jason]

I know free aim, lock on aiming and ability cards are a controversial topic that everyone has strong onions on but ya'know, try and keep it as civil as possible please and thank yous. 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2019 by Jason

[Gleeman Vox]

Slippery bastard was nerfed because of people that rushed you with a shotgun and deactivated dead eye at the same time as locking onto you. This isn’t some “cockstar conspiracy to abolish free-aim”

 

they’re clearly experimenting with free aim in the new game mode, which IMO should have free aim assist until a PC release because you must be brain dead if you think you can consistently hit a strafing or sprinting target without it combined WITH BLOOM

Edited September 14, 2019 by Gleeman Vox

[AmyStone]

40 minutes ago, Gleeman Vox said:

Slippery bastard was nerfed because of people that rushed you with a shotgun and deactivated dead eye at the same time as locking onto you. This isn’t some “cockstar conspiracy to abolish free-aim”

I think you're right. The card was abused. But I don't think making it completely useless was the answer. Maybe having some kind of cool down time before it deactivates would have worked better.

[Chrismads]

8 hours ago, gtmike said:

Using the word "cancer" like that makes you sound like a complete asshole btw

Didn't know cancer was yet another harmless word made illegal by the american continent. It's hard to keep track of them all sorry. I'll change it

[RileyRock]

21 hours ago, Ryan5252 said:

The next card to get hit will 100% be PIB. Every showdown is just running round with a shotgun and PIB. Same with PvE actually, it's just way to easy to get kills/be killed. 

Isnt PIB the true dead eye? I mean dead eye in storymode is PIB. PIB represents dead eye lol.

[Ryan5252]

23 minutes ago, RileyRock said:

Isnt PIB the true dead eye? I mean dead eye in storymode is PIB. PIB represents dead eye lol.

Yeah pretty much, but everyone is using in online for easy PvP kills. We all know R* won't tolerate that for too long. 

[Xtf]

There seems to be alot of discussion regarding SB being used to free aim but I've never seen it used for that. Normally I see it used by someone with 2 sawn offs to get right up to you then disable it and use the autoaim to blast you.  I'm not seeing how giving someone autoaim whilst still in SB is going to help with this. Yes they've added more bloom but this isn't really going to affect shotguns at close range.

 

Best way to deal with SB previously was to tackle them with the lasso and just leave them tied up.

[Hudawg]

29 minutes ago, Xtf said:

There seems to be alot of discussion regarding SB being used to free aim but I've never seen it used for that. Normally I see it used by someone with 2 sawn offs to get right up to you then disable it and use the autoaim to blast you. 

Myself and everyone I know that uses free aim, used SB to go with free aim.  Everyone who used free aim used SB.   Because SB was the only thing that countered lock on.

 

 

Now the only thing SB is good for is running around and disabling it, to use auto aim to blast people.  Sure as hell can't shoot with it anymore.  

 

So nothings changed from that aspect of the game.  They've turned SB into only being useful for running around and disabling it to use auto aim.    And just like before, PIB nulls it.

 

 

29 minutes ago, Xtf said:

 

 

Best way to deal with SB previously was to tackle them with the lasso and just leave them tied up.

 

^ Naw.. best way to deal with it was to simply shoot the person via free aim.   Using SB also  prevented them from diving around and going for lock ons while going in and out of SB.  Basically forcing them to actually earn a kill.

 

Or PIB.  Which was the easiest way to deal with SB.  

 

Tackling them also worked but.   But it was much faster and easier to just blast them dead.  

Edited September 15, 2019 by Hudawg

[Xtf]

I mean you could just free aim kill them if you want to do it the easy way but the lasso leaves them embarassed. 

[Hudawg]

14 hours ago, Gleeman Vox said:

Slippery bastard was nerfed because of people that rushed you with a shotgun and deactivated dead eye at the same time as locking onto you. This isn’t some “cockstar conspiracy to abolish free-aim”

 

The nerf to SB didn't change that.  Its easier than ever now to rush at someone with a shotgun with SB.     Nothings changed from that aspect.  PIB still counters it easily.  And PIB is still the most OP card.

 

The only thing the nerf to SB did, was punish players who used it for free aim.   So id say the conspiracy is back on.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Hudawg

[Chrismads]

Yeah I tested it out myself now, and there is NOT a period after deactivation, where the user will still have poor aim as people have claimed.

That means that the way SB was exploited before, used how everybody hated it for peekaboo killing, is the only way to use it now.

 

[Ryan5252]

13 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Yeah I tested it out myself now, and there is NOT a period after deactivation, where the user will still have poor aim as people have claimed.

That means that the way SB was exploited before, used how everybody hated it for peekaboo killing, is the only way to use it now.

 

Except now, 90% of players use PiB so chances are you wouldn't get too close trying to do a peekaboo killing. 

[Chrismads]

16 minutes ago, Ryan5252 said:

Except now, 90% of players use PiB so chances are you wouldn't get too close trying to do a peekaboo killing. 

Ah what. Is PIB 100% accurate on the new SB? This card is getting more and more re..... stupid the more I learn about it.

I submitted feedback to R*. I suggest everyone who liked SB before do the same.

[Ryan5252]

24 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Ah what. Is PIB 100% accurate on the new SB? This card is getting more and more re..... stupid the more I learn about it.

I submitted feedback to R*. I suggest everyone who liked SB before do the same.

Yeah PiB is 100% lock on to SB targets with no bloom. Was the same before SB nerf but most people use it now since the update. 

[Jason]

So someone correct me if I'm wrong, but SB now doesn't affect someones aim preferences, ie you can be locked onto, but bullets will "bend" around you or something to that effect?

 

If that's the case personally I think that's a far more interesting card than what it was previously and while I sympathise with free aimers, having to use a card to force free aim PvP with people means the game has much deeper problems when it comes to PvP, so a bandaid isn't doing anyone any good.

 

Also regarding this being some sort of conspiracy against free aimers, it probably is, because RDR2 PC will be free aim and a card which is designed around lock on makes absolutely zero sense on that platform.

[Chrismads]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

So someone correct me if I'm wrong, but SB now doesn't affect someones aim preferences, ie you can be locked onto, but bullets will "bend" around you or something to that effect?

SB users can now lock onto others, and others can lock onto them, but both parties will have terrible accuracy. The weapon bloom is the size of half the screen. So now it is only usefull to use for peekaboo killing or to flee from someone shooting at you

[Jason]

1 minute ago, Chrismads said:

SB users can now lock onto others, and others can lock onto them, but both parties will have terrible accuracy. The weapon bloom is the size of half the screen. So now it is only usefull to use for peekaboo killing or to flee from someone shooting at you

Yea that sounds a lot better tbh. Actually sounds like it suits the name now and isn't a card built around the game defaulting to lock-on gaming, which is a good thing.

[Chrismads]

10 minutes ago, Jason said:

Yea that sounds a lot better tbh. Actually sounds like it suits the name now and isn't a card built around the game defaulting to lock-on gaming, which is a good thing.

Well I think you should go try it out in a showdown.

There's 2 possible outcomes I reckon:

 

1. You'll feel like a cheater getting all those cheap kills

 

2. The card has been rendered completely useless as everyone else is using PIB

Edited September 15, 2019 by Chrismads

[Jason]

Everyone using PiB speaks more about PiB and the other Deadeye cards (the ones that no one ever uses) than it does about SB.

 

I'm also not even saying that SB is perfectly balanced as is, I just think the design of the card is lot better now than what it was.