Ability Card Changes

[Ryan5252]

So, with the Frontier Pursuit update, it seems a lot of changes/tweaks have been made to the ability cards. Some (Slippery Bastard) appear to be completely redundant. I haven't had to a chance to play around with them yet but personally, from a quick read through, it seems the most significant changes have been made to SB, PIB & SnS. What do people think of the changes?

 

The following balancing changes have been made to Dead Eye Ability Cards in Red Dead Online:

Increased the initial amount of Dead Eye consumed when activating all Dead Eye cards
Paint It Black:
Amount of Dead Eye consumed by each shot has been increased
Slow and Steady:
Damage reduction while active has been increased
Slippery Bastard:
This card no longer prevents player lock-on when activated
When locked onto a player using Slippery Bastard, weapon accuracy spread will be significantly increased, and fired bullets will be pushed towards the edge of the reticle
The same penalty effect also applies to the player using Slippery Bastard when attempting to lock onto other players
The following balancing changes have been made to Combat Ability Cards in Red Dead Online:
Hangman:
Now deals a fixed amount of damage to lassoed enemies
The following balancing changes have been made to Recovery Ability Cards in Red Dead Online:
The Gift of Focus:
No longer has a penalty to damage dealt while this card is equipped
The following balancing changes have been made to Defense Ability Cards in Red Dead Online:
Hunker Down:
Damage resistance while in cover increased, and now applies to all types of damage received instead of just bullet damage.

 

Edited September 10, 2019 by Ryan5252

[IamCourtney]

PiB: The new per-shot cost will have to be significant to be a real nerf, as most people use PiB in conjunction with the ol' fli k to headshot technique to guarantee he best accuracy possible.

 

SB: Looks like the effect it formerly had for NPCs is now the entire point, could still be useful but seems a pretty strong nerf

 

SnS: Hooray!

[AmyStone]

I've noticed the deadeye drain with PiB. So it's not a small difference. But it just means you have drink more potions than you did before so not a massive change.

 

I played against someone using SB yesterday. As long as you're up close then the spread of fire doesn't make much difference to someone using PiB. And it's close range where SB was most effective. So the card is pretty much dead.

[Ryan5252]

4 minutes ago, AmyStone said:

I've noticed the deadeye drain with PiB. So it's not a small difference. But it just means you have drink more potions than you did before so not a massive change.

 

I played against someone using SB yesterday. As long as you're up close then the spread of fire doesn't make much difference to someone using PiB. And it's close range where SB was most effective. So the card is pretty much dead.

Yeah I noticed a pretty decent drain on PIB earlier clearing out a hideout, definitely a significant adjustment.

 

I think SB is absolutely dead so I'd definitely like money back that I spent getting it to T3 

[RyuNova]

17 minutes ago, AmyStone said:

I played against someone using SB yesterday. As long as you're up close then the spread of fire doesn't make much difference to someone using PiB. And it's close range where SB was most effective. So the card is pretty much dead.

 

Excellent news. Perhaps we won't see any more "Bastard Boys" flopping around.

[AmyStone]

16 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

Excellent news. Perhaps we won't see any more "Bastard Boys" flopping around.

It should make Showdowns involving bag collection and delivery fun again.

[RyuNova]

16 minutes ago, AmyStone said:

It should make Showdowns involving bag collection and delivery fun again.

 

I might actually play some PvP if thats the case. My friend who LOVES PvP games like Rainbow Six wont touch RDO Online because of obnoxious it is so he might actually play now.

[Unpleasant Nerd]

Nerfing SB was necessary. Thank you Rockstar.

[IceHeartache]

Its just me or Strange Medicine is also nerfed? now when you do damage the health recover is a little less than before, but im not sure if its just me, or not 

Edited September 12, 2019 by Baltel
"nerfed" sorry xd

[AmyStone]

4 minutes ago, Baltel said:

Its just me or Strange Medicine is also buffed? now when you do damage the health recover is a little less than before, but im not sure if its just me, or not 

Not buffed then.

[DarkFlame588]

Glad I never went and bought any SB upgrades while they were on sale now...

[Chrismads]

What exactly was done with SB? People can now sorta lock on with the aim assist or what? And why is the weapon bloom huge while using SB?

[RyuNova]

3 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

What exactly was done with SB? People can now sorta lock on with the aim assist or what? And why is the weapon bloom huge while using SB?

 

Instead of breaking Lock-On it now decreases accuracy by a large amount. Before people would just be flopping around continuously while popping off shots, like doing nothing but flopping around like The Worm during gun fights. It now decreases accuracy massively for both parties meaning that the "Bastard" can just pop up with perfect accuracy and shoot you.

[Chrismads]

18 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

Instead of breaking Lock-On it now decreases accuracy by a large amount. Before people would just be flopping around continuously while popping off shots, like doing nothing but flopping around like The Worm during gun fights. It now decreases accuracy massively for both parties meaning that the "Bastard" can just pop up with perfect accuracy and shoot you.

Why on earth would they do that? So now there's no free aim whatsoever in the game. f*cking stupid.

 

Edit. I don't understand what that has to do with the belly flop?

Edited September 14, 2019 by Chrismads

[RyuNova]

2 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Why on earth would they do that? So now there's no free aim whatsoever in the game. f*cking stupid

 

It only happens when someone uses Slippery Bastard. Instead of the person using SB having Lock-On immunity for a moment the person locking-on has reduced accuracy. The person using SB also has reduced accuracy for a moment after using it so they cant pop up and shoot people that cant lock-on.

They did this because people were just constantly spamming SB during PvP so PvP devolved into everyone spamming SB to counter people spamming SB or spamming PiB to counter SB.

[Chrismads]

8 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

It only happens when someone uses Slippery Bastard. Instead of the person using SB having Lock-On immunity for a moment the person locking-on has reduced accuracy. The person using SB also has reduced accuracy for a moment after using it so they cant pop up and shoot people that cant lock-on.

They did this because people were just constantly spamming SB during PvP so PvP devolved into everyone spamming SB to counter people spamming SB or spamming PiB to counter SB.

Bad solution. Really stupidly bad solution. They could've just let ppl using SB have a no lock on period after deactivating.

Instead they f*cked over every free aimer

[RyuNova]

1 minute ago, Chrismads said:

Instead they f*cked over every free aimer

 

I still don't understand this part. How does SB affect free aiming? You mean using SB to break your own lock on so you can free aim?

Forgive me, I don't play PvP.

[Chrismads]

4 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

I still don't understand this part. How does SB affect free aiming? You mean using SB to break your own lock on so you can free aim?

Forgive me, I don't play PvP.

Because SB forced both parties to use free aim if used how it was intended. A free aimer would have no chance against an auto aimer, so it was a way to force free aim on others.

Try and watch some of @wehweh01's videos in the video thread.. that's how it was intended to be used instead of that peekaboo exploit others have been using.

Edited September 14, 2019 by Chrismads

[RyuNova]

Just now, Chrismads said:

Because SB forced both parties to use free aim if used how it was intended. A free aimer would have no chance against an auto aimer, so it was a way to force a free aim on others.

Try and watch some of @wehweh01's videos in the video thread.. that's how it was intended to be used instead of that peekaboo exploit others have been using.

 

While I see the point you are making the game was never intended for Free Aim to be used. You are just gimping yourself if you think that using Free Aim was better even more so with a controller. It also does not matter how it was intended to be used "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions", its how it was used. It was abused and needed to be wiped out.

 

 

PiB was not supposed to be spammed by using it and then chugging one of the hundreds of potions the player can carry but it is.

[Chrismads]

1 minute ago, RyuNova said:

 

While I see the point you are making the game was never intended for Free Aim to be used. You are just gimping yourself if you think that using Free Aim was better even more so with a controller. It also does not matter how it was intended to be used "The road to Hell is paved with good intentions", its how it was used. It was abused and needed to be wiped out.

 

I am not a free aimer, but I enjoyed to try it out once in a while.

No it could've worked fine the way I described it above. I AM a pvp player unlike you.

 

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome?

It's more like

-buy cards for thousands of dollars to suit your playstyle

-master them

-r* changes them completely making them useless for your playstyle.

 

Here's the video of wehweh doing it the way it should have worked

 

 

So as I said: a few second timer starts when you deactivate SB where you can't lock on. Problem solved, everyone's happy

[RyuNova]

11 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

So as I said: a few second timer starts when you deactivate SB where you can't lock on. Problem solved, everyone's happy

 

It does not matter if you add a few seconds of no lock-on or "how the card was supposed to be used" PvP devolved into people CONSTANTLY (as in never stopping) flopping around which completely broke the flow of combat. Nobody ran, they just flopped.

[Chrismads]

2 minutes ago, RyuNova said:

 

It does not matter if you add a few seconds of no lock-on or "how the card was supposed to be used" PvP devolved into people CONSTANTLY (as in never stopping) flopping around which completely broke the flow of combat. Nobody ran, they just flopped.

But belly flopping doesn't have anything to do with SB?

And ppl still flop all over the battlefield after Slippery Bastard became Drunken Bastards

[RyuNova]

2 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

But belly flopping doesn't have anything to do with SB?

 

SB is activated by using the diving mechanic.

[gtmike]

SB was a bullsh*t card that had very little to do with free aim in practice. I'm not interested in free aiming with a controller and I don't like it being forced on me suddenly in the middle of a game.

 

If R* wants to add free aim lobbies cool, but that garbage card was not the answer. There should be refunds though, can't say that enough.

[Chrismads]

1 minute ago, RyuNova said:

 

SB is activated by using the diving mechanic.

Aah I see where it went wrong lol.

No SB is activated with dead eye like the other dead eye cards. L2 + R3

2 minutes ago, gtmike said:

SB was a bullsh*t card that had very little to do with free aim in practice

It literally makes free aim the only option.

3 minutes ago, gtmike said:

I'm not interested in free aiming with a controller and I don't like it being forced on me suddenly in the middle of a game.

That's fair enough. I didn't mind even though I suck at free aim, but to each their own.

4 minutes ago, gtmike said:

There should be refunds though, can't say that enough

100% agree

[Tormes]

1 hour ago, Chrismads said:

I am not a free aimer, but I enjoyed to try it out once in a while.

No it could've worked fine the way I described it above. I AM a pvp player unlike you.

 

Improvise. Adapt. Overcome?

It's more like

-buy cards for thousands of dollars to suit your playstyle

-master them

-r* changes them completely making them useless for your playstyle.

 

Here's the video of wehweh doing it the way it should have worked

 

 

So as I said: a few second timer starts when you deactivate SB where you can't lock on. Problem solved, everyone's happy

Where is the free aim in that video. Is just she running around to get close to the targets and force hand on hand combat ( with the assist that disables tapping so she never loses) . No aiming down the sights in that video whatsoever.

And they added free aim pvp lobbies, so the problem is already solved. People that don't like to free aim against an enemy chicken dancing towards their base are happy and people that like free aiming can do that against enemies in equal terms without a sepia filter and having to chuck a tonic every 15 seconds.

Edited September 14, 2019 by Tormes

[JustCallMeNiko]

1 hour ago, RyuNova said:

 

It does not matter if you add a few seconds of no lock-on or "how the card was supposed to be used" PvP devolved into people CONSTANTLY (as in never stopping) flopping around which completely broke the flow of combat. Nobody ran, they just flopped.

I'm wondering if this flopping around (assuming you mean diving while aiming) is really at all effective in RDO PvP? I do it reflexively from years of playing GTA..it is a hard habit to break...

For me it doesn't work out well at all against other players in RDO..most opponents seem able to start landing shots before I'm able to stand back up and lock back onto them..

[Ryan5252]

The next card to get hit will 100% be PIB. Every showdown is just running round with a shotgun and PIB. Same with PvE actually, it's just way to easy to get kills/be killed. 

[Master Tyrus]

2 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

SB is activated by using the diving mechanic.

You tell so many lies. You're the guy who said people use slippery to stop lock on then change to PIB mid-dive to get a perfect headshot. Clueless. 

[RyuNova]

3 hours ago, Chrismads said:

Aah I see where it went wrong lol.

No SB is activated with dead eye like the other dead eye cards. L2 + R3

 

Yes, I know that but it has no effect unless you dive.

2 hours ago, JustCallMeNiko said:

I'm wondering if this flopping around (assuming you mean diving while aiming) is really at all effective in RDO PvP? I do it reflexively from years of playing GTA..it is a hard habit to break..

 

Perhaps, I have been gunned down by people in Free Roam when they used to grief. Just flop around and abuse the innocent players inability to lock on with a shotgun blast. Shotguns were also the answer to it as well.

1 hour ago, Master Tyrus said:

You tell so many lies. You're the guy who said people use slippery to stop lock on then change to PIB mid-dive to get a perfect headshot. Clueless. 

 

I don't know who you are but I apologise if what I have said upsets you.