The Trader General Thread

[Potter145]

20 minutes ago, joshua969 said:

Thanks for this.  Good to know it'll be a good money maker.  It also appears to be more profitable than the butcher for local deliveries too.

It is the best money maker. You have 50 minutes downtime in between the supply missions (if you already hunted materials or sold your wares). During that time you can go bounty hunting, collecting, playing showdowns or missions, fishing, or even hunting or completing daily challenges. So the best money making method before the Update was combining missions with hunting where you could make roughly a little bit less then 200$ per hour if you were good. Now you can make 200$ per hour alone with the Trader if we take the average from the 100 ware sale which takes 3 hours and 20 mins. But in that 50 minute downtime you can do other things that are fun, that give you money, gold or XP. It seems to me that combining the Trader with bouny hunting during that 50 minute downtime is the best money method. Because with the Bounty Hunter you don't need to wait out timers to make the max cash. Especially if you are a distinguished Bounty Hunter and have a Bounty Wagon, you can make a lot of money. If you are fast I would say you can make 300$ to 400$ per hour on average combining high ranking Trader and Bounty Hunter.

Edited September 12, 2019 by executor404

[Jason]

The Trader event is cool. Load of people guarding a moving train, get exp, cash, gold and goods for your camp from it.

[CaliMeatWagon]

The value of GOODS changes based on amount. 
0-25 = $2.50 each
26-50 =  $3.00 each
51-99 = $4.00 each
100 = $5.00 each

Working on a complete index of animal values. ~75% finished with it. 

[Tez2]

31 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

The value of GOODS changes based on amount. 
0-25 = $2.50 each
26-50 =  $3.00 each
51-99 = $4.00 each
100 = $5.00 each

Working on a complete index of animal values. ~75% finished with it. 

Very helpful info !

My question is have you checked if the time it takes is also increased ?

It takes 2 minutes to produce a single ware, but that's what I recorded for 25 wares.

I didn't record it for 50 or 100 wares.

@executor404 Great info as well, very helpful. Have you checked the time it takes when you reached 100 wares ? It doesn't have to the be the exact value, but did it take more than 3 hours ? Because we figured out that it should take 3 hours and 20 minutes for your business to fill 100 wares.

[MusicMan05]

The Trader is hands down the best way to make $. Posse Members do get 50% of the sale. A $150 sale gets my posse members $75, so I'm guessing they'll earn $250 for a $500 sale.

 

(Mark my words, pretty soon the Trader is going to be Red Dead Online's Heist reset glitch until Rockstar fixes it)

[CaliMeatWagon]

3 minutes ago, Fun 2 said:

Very helpful info !

My question is have you checked if the time it takes is also increased ?

It takes 2 minutes to produce a single ware, but that's what I recorded for 25 wares.

I didn't record it for 50 or 100 wares.

It's 2 minutes per unit. I used a stop watch for all 100.

 

200 minutes or 3 hours 20 minutes for 0-100.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10Bhm1vCaElMq5QqHFdLgbjSSyb2RnI0TbdD375si6UY/edit?usp=sharing

Edited September 12, 2019 by CaliMeatWagon

[Tez2]

1 minute ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

It's 2 minutes per unit. I used a stop watch for all 100.

 

200 minutes or 3 hours 20 minutes for 0-100.

That's amazing.

So the only problem is the process it takes you to fill the supplies and materials like @executor404 said which make the whole process take more than 3 hours.

[CaliMeatWagon]

2 minutes ago, Fun 2 said:

That's amazing.

So the only problem is the process it takes you to fill the supplies and materials like @executor404 said which make the whole process take more than 3 hours.

Yes.  So 2 Material + 2 Supplies = 1 Goods every 2 minutes for 25 units or 50 minutes. 
Thing to note, buying Supplies also seems to add 5 units of Materials, while doing a mission has added 5-20 based on the ones I've done. And all supply missions have been extremely close to camp.

[Failed Again]

On 9/10/2019 at 12:59 PM, Boozer said:

 

 

when delivery of wagon reaches the destination- do you still get higher pay for waiting to two minitues ( like the mission you get from Arlen..?

thanks

 

 

sorry I couldn't get ride of the quite above-please ignore

Edited September 12, 2019 by Failed Again
cant get reid of quote-Please ignore^^^^^

[Jason]

29 minutes ago, Failed Again said:

when delivery of wagon reaches the destination- do you still get higher pay for waiting to two minitues ( like the mission you get from Arlen..?

thanks

 

sorry I couldn't get ride of the quite above-please ignore

You do not benefit from waiting for the time to go low, no.

[Potter145]

@CaliMeatWagon

 

It's important to mention that full supplies produce 25 goods/wares, while full materials can produce 50 wares. So you need to do 4 supply missions and spend 200 materials (2 x 100) for 100 wares.

 

@Fun 2

 

For me each supply mission takes around 6/7 minutes. So that's another 24 to 28 minutes. Then you need to take into consideration the sell mission which also takes about the same time. Since supply missions already add 5 to 20 materials, we don't need to consider the time you hunt, because you do that in between the supply missions while Cripps is producing. So in addition to the 200 minutes for production I would add another 40 minutes to be accurate. So the whole process takes around 4 hours.

 

And like CMW already said, it's 2 min per ware all the time.

 

This is the value of goods per distant sales:

 

0-25 = 3.12$

26-50 = 3.75$

51-99 = 5$

100 = 6.25$

 

It's 25% more than a local delivery. Every time you reach a new ware threshold, the base value increases 25%.

 

@MusicMan05

 

Yes, doing the Trader in a posse is really underrated but absolutely worth it. Posse members get 50%.

Edited September 12, 2019 by executor404

[CaliMeatWagon]

 

Total Amount	Total Value	Each	Distant	Bonus	Duration (min)	(hours)
1	$2.50	$2.50	$3.13	0.0%	2	0.03
2	$5.00	$2.50	$6.25	125.0%	4	0.07
3	$7.50	$2.50	$9.37	124.9%	6	0.10
4	$10.00	$2.50	$12.50	125.0%	8	0.13
5	$12.50	$2.50	$15.62	125.0%	10	0.17
6	$15.00	$2.50	$18.75	125.0%	12	0.20
7	$17.50	$2.50	$21.87	125.0%	14	0.23
8	$20.00	$2.50	$25.00	125.0%	16	0.27
9	$22.50	$2.50	$28.12	125.0%	18	0.30
10	$25.00	$2.50	$31.25	125.0%	20	0.33
11	$27.50	$2.50	$34.37	125.0%	22	0.37
12	$30.00	$2.50	$37.50	125.0%	24	0.40
13	$32.50	$2.50	$40.62	125.0%	26	0.43
14	$35.00	$2.50	$43.75	125.0%	28	0.47
15	$37.50	$2.50	$46.87	125.0%	30	0.50
16	$40.00	$2.50	$50.00	125.0%	32	0.53
17	$42.50	$2.50	$53.12	125.0%	34	0.57
18	$45.00	$2.50	$56.25	125.0%	36	0.60
19	$47.50	$2.50	$59.37	125.0%	38	0.63
20	$50.00	$2.50	$62.50	125.0%	40	0.67
21	$52.50	$2.50	$65.62	125.0%	42	0.70
22	$55.00	$2.50	$68.75	125.0%	44	0.73
23	$57.50	$2.50	$71.87	125.0%	46	0.77
24	$60.00	$2.50	$75.00	125.0%	48	0.80
25	$62.50	$2.50	$78.12	125.0%	50	0.83
26	$78.00	$3.00	$97.50	125.0%	52	0.87
27	$81.00	$3.00	$101.25	125.0%	54	0.90
28	$84.00	$3.00	$105.00	125.0%	56	0.93
29	$87.00	$3.00	$108.75	125.0%	58	0.97
30	$90.00	$3.00	$112.50	125.0%	60	1.00
31	$93.00	$3.00	$116.25	125.0%	62	1.03
32	$96.00	$3.00	$120.00	125.0%	64	1.07
33	$99.00	$3.00	$123.75	125.0%	66	1.10
34	$102.00	$3.00	$127.50	125.0%	68	1.13
35	$105.00	$3.00	$131.25	125.0%	70	1.17
36	$108.00	$3.00	$135.00	125.0%	72	1.20
37	$111.00	$3.00	$138.75	125.0%	74	1.23
38	$114.00	$3.00	$142.50	125.0%	76	1.27
39	$117.00	$3.00	$146.25	125.0%	78	1.30
40	$120.00	$3.00	$150.00	125.0%	80	1.33
41	$123.00	$3.00	$153.75	125.0%	82	1.37
42	$126.00	$3.00	$157.50	125.0%	84	1.40
43	$129.00	$3.00	$161.25	125.0%	86	1.43
44	$132.00	$3.00	$165.00	125.0%	88	1.47
45	$135.00	$3.00	$168.75	125.0%	90	1.50
46	$138.00	$3.00	$172.50	125.0%	92	1.53
47	$141.00	$3.00	$176.25	125.0%	94	1.57
48	$144.00	$3.00	$180.00	125.0%	96	1.60
49	$147.00	$3.00	$183.75	125.0%	98	1.63
50	$150.00	$3.00	$187.50	125.0%	100	1.67
51	$204.00	$4.00	$255.00	125.0%	102	1.70
52	$208.00	$4.00	$260.00	125.0%	104	1.73
53	$212.00	$4.00	$265.00	125.0%	106	1.77
54	$216.00	$4.00	$270.00	125.0%	108	1.80
55	$220.00	$4.00	$275.00	125.0%	110	1.83
56	$224.00	$4.00	$280.00	125.0%	112	1.87
57	$228.00	$4.00	$285.00	125.0%	114	1.90
58	$232.00	$4.00	$290.00	125.0%	116	1.93
59	$236.00	$4.00	$295.00	125.0%	118	1.97
60	$240.00	$4.00	$300.00	125.0%	120	2.00
61	$244.00	$4.00	$305.00	125.0%	122	2.03
62	$248.00	$4.00	$310.00	125.0%	124	2.07
63	$252.00	$4.00	$315.00	125.0%	126	2.10
64	$256.00	$4.00	$320.00	125.0%	128	2.13
65	$260.00	$4.00	$325.00	125.0%	130	2.17
66	$264.00	$4.00	$330.00	125.0%	132	2.20
67	$268.00	$4.00	$335.00	125.0%	134	2.23
68	$272.00	$4.00	$340.00	125.0%	136	2.27
69	$276.00	$4.00	$345.00	125.0%	138	2.30
70	$280.00	$4.00	$350.00	125.0%	140	2.33
71	$284.00	$4.00	$355.00	125.0%	142	2.37
72	$288.00	$4.00	$360.00	125.0%	144	2.40
73	$292.00	$4.00	$365.00	125.0%	146	2.43
74	$296.00	$4.00	$370.00	125.0%	148	2.47
75	$300.00	$4.00	$375.00	125.0%	150	2.50
76	$304.00	$4.00	$380.00	125.0%	152	2.53
77	$308.00	$4.00	$385.00	125.0%	154	2.57
78	$312.00	$4.00	$390.00	125.0%	156	2.60
79	$316.00	$4.00	$395.00	125.0%	158	2.63
80	$320.00	$4.00	$400.00	125.0%	160	2.67
81	$324.00	$4.00	$405.00	125.0%	162	2.70
82	$328.00	$4.00	$410.00	125.0%	164	2.73
83	$332.00	$4.00	$415.00	125.0%	166	2.77
84	$336.00	$4.00	$420.00	125.0%	168	2.80
85	$340.00	$4.00	$425.00	125.0%	170	2.83
86	$344.00	$4.00	$430.00	125.0%	172	2.87
87	$348.00	$4.00	$435.00	125.0%	174	2.90
88	$352.00	$4.00	$440.00	125.0%	176	2.93
89	$356.00	$4.00	$445.00	125.0%	178	2.97
90	$360.00	$4.00	$450.00	125.0%	180	3.00
91	$364.00	$4.00	$455.00	125.0%	182	3.03
92	$368.00	$4.00	$460.00	125.0%	184	3.07
93	$372.00	$4.00	$465.00	125.0%	186	3.10
94	$376.00	$4.00	$470.00	125.0%	188	3.13
95	$380.00	$4.00	$475.00	125.0%	190	3.17
96	$384.00	$4.00	$480.00	125.0%	192	3.20
97	$388.00	$4.00	$485.00	125.0%	194	3.23
98	$392.00	$4.00	$490.00	125.0%	196	3.27
99	$396.00	$4.00	$495.00	125.0%	198	3.30
100	$500.00	$5.00	$625.00	125.0%	200	3.33

Edited September 12, 2019 by CaliMeatWagon

[IamCourtney]

So I did a small cart distant sale last night to test the waters, ended up riding through an ambush-in-progress and got shot at by a player but not pursued...

 

Anyway, I noticed the wording of the alert once my signal went active was "Rival TRADERS can now STEAL your product" (emphasis is mine.) 

 

So my questions are, can a person who hasn't got a Trader license still see my signal, and since it specifies STEAL, can the cart still be destroyed by rivals, and is there any reward for doing so?

[Potter145]

@IamCourtney

 

There is no reward for destroying the cart. I don't know if it is even that easy to do by other players even with explosives. Because it is essentially about the supplies in the cart. If someone blows up the cart, you can still take the supplies and put them on your horse. You just get a little bit less money.

 

Only players who bought the butcher table can see you on the map when the game sends out the signal. They only get a reward if they succesfully steal it and traders are the only ones who can steal it, but you have time to get it back because the other player needs to defend it for a while. When he succesfully steals it he fills up his goods/wares, but gets no money. He still needs to sell them.

Edited September 12, 2019 by executor404

[IamCourtney]

Awesome, sounds like exactly what I've always wished they would do with GTAO's free roam businesses. Can't wait to jack me some wagons

[Failed Again]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

You do not benefit from waiting for the time to go low, no.

thanks..I think you know by now that this update fixed the Evans repeater Iron sights upgrade( you mentioned in help thread) thanks again

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, Failed Again said:

thanks..I think you know by now that this update fixed the Evans repeater Iron sights upgrade( you mentioned in help thread) thanks again

Hah I keep meaning to check but I keep forgetting. Good to know.

[Brink]

I have a very hard time finding a posse and it sounds like you level the trader up a LOT faster.  It doesn't help when I get disconnected every 30 minutes due to the rockstar error.  So can you guys add me or point me in the right direction?  Thanks in advance.

 

gamertag: monarch of hell

Edited September 12, 2019 by Brink

[Chrismads]

Careful what you donate. Feathers for example are all worth 0.09 materials, no matter what feathers. So you could say that 10 eagle feathers are worth $2.5 if donated to cripps, but worth $15 if sold to the butcher.

Things like antlers, tusks and teeth seems to be alot more worth when donated to cripps than when selling to a butcher.

@CaliMeatWagon I think a spreadsheet of these numbers could be interesting 

[CaliMeatWagon]

16 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Careful what you donate. Feathers for example are all worth 0.09 materials, no matter what feathers. So you could say that 10 eagle feathers are worth $2.5 if donated to cripps, but worth $15 if sold to the butcher.

Things like antlers, tusks and teeth seems to be alot more worth when donated to cripps than when selling to a butcher.

@CaliMeatWagon I think a spreadsheet of these numbers could be interesting 

This is incorrect, there are several feathers that sell/exchange/barter/trade/gift swap for more than 0.09.

 

I have a sheet of these numbers. I'm at about 75% of the animals completed. 

Edited September 12, 2019 by CaliMeatWagon

[TheLordMarvel]

Any good methods to rank up quick? Just hit level 4 which is pretty low. And I really neeeed the hunting wagon lol. Hard work bringing 2 carcasses right now (one on horse, one on shoulder)

[Chrismads]

6 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

This is incorrect, there are several feathers that sell for more than 0.09.

 

I have a sheet of these numbers. I'm at about 75% of the animals completed. 

Sell? I'm talking when donating to cripps

All feathers I've donated has been worth 0.09 units/materials.

Not talking plumes

[CaliMeatWagon]

3 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Sell? I'm talking when donating to cripps

Sell, exchange, tomato, tomato.

 

Chicken Feather    0.18
Egret Plume    0.15
Turkey Feather    0.27

 

Like I stated, I've already been spreadsheeting this update and I'm a little over 75% complete for the Material Value Index of every creature in this game. 

Edited September 12, 2019 by CaliMeatWagon

[Chrismads]

8 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

Sell, exchange, tomato, tomato.

No

9 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

Chicken Feather    0.18
Turkey Feather    0.27

Yeah you're right. I've never donated those

[kushnstien]

1 hour ago, TheLordMarvel said:

Any good methods to rank up quick? Just hit level 4 which is pretty low. And I really neeeed the hunting wagon lol. Hard work bringing 2 carcasses right now (one on horse, one on shoulder)

You could always lasso the dead second deer and drag it back 

[TheLordMarvel]

1 minute ago, kushnstien said:

You could always lasso the dead second deer and drag it back 

 

I actually tried that, but the animal I was dragging back despawned somehow. I'll try it again though! 

[kushnstien]

Just now, TheLordMarvel said:

 

I actually tried that, but the animal I was dragging back despawned somehow. I'll try it again though! 

Usually works for me. You traveling far distances to your camp? That could be the issue. Like others said try to put your camp where deer spawn frequently so you won’t have to travel 

[TheLordMarvel]

Just now, kushnstien said:

Usually works for me. You traveling far distances to your camp? That could be the issue. Like others said try to put your camp where deer spawn frequently so you won’t have to travel 

 

Yeah, it was quite a long field I had to run through, some ditches too lol. I just need my hunting wagon asap! 

[Chrismads]

2 hours ago, TheLordMarvel said:

Any good methods to rank up quick? Just hit level 4 which is pretty low. And I really neeeed the hunting wagon lol. Hard work bringing 2 carcasses right now (one on horse, one on shoulder)

Quickest method to rank up is feathers. Get all the feathers you can and donate them. You get 5 or 6 xp per item you donate.

So

-donate feathers

-do the supply missions (don't buy them)

-make full wagon deliveries (short distance so assholes like me won't try to rob ya)

Edited September 13, 2019 by Chrismads

[TheLordMarvel]

1 minute ago, Chrismads said:

Quickest method to rank up is feathers. Get all the feathers you can and donate them. You get 5 or 6 xp per item you donate.

So

-donate feathers

-do the supply missions (don't buy them)

-make full wagon deliveries

I've got like a ton of feathers on me, I just usually ignore them when I'm donating. -Face palm;  Lol

 

Thanks!