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On the basis of a few comments on the beta hunt, retcons and mapping threads, I thought it'd be interesting to have a thread on its own dedicated to documenting the wider world of the Red Dead Redemption 2 and its universe. Mainly based around things that are reported, but don't appear the game. Locations, historical events, characters/factions, anything like that. Stuff from RDR1 is welcome in here as well.

 

There is such a richly detailed timeline in the in-game universe just based around mission or incidental dialogue, newspapers, artefacts, and so on. I hope having a dedicated topic focused on researching this will eventually do some justice to the level of detail that has been put into the series. 

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Nyfyr

Not sure if counts as worldbuilding but I love that the npc’s will talk about stuff that happens locally. Like people in Valentine will talk and gossip about stuff in Valentine and the same with the people in Blackwater and other places. It really increases the feel of every town and place.

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codedoddertdervbs

There's a few bits around the civil war in the game.

 

Characters involved in Civil War

Confederacy: General Quincy T. Harris, General Quinn, General Hobart Crawley, Garfield

Union: Colonel Henry Favours, First Lieutenant Ronald Alger, Hamish Sinclair, Hayden Russell

 

Locations

Bolger Glade, Fort Brennand, Copperhead Landing, St Denis. (Hypotheticals: Fort Riggs, Fort Wallace, Fort Mercer)

From what I can gather, Lemoyne was the only territory in the Confederate states. Ambarino is the only one that's confirmed to be in the Union. No information is given about West Elizabeth, New Hanover, or New Austin.

 

Timeline

April 1862- Union soldiers await orders to retake St Denis from the rebels (according to the veteran who thinks the war never ended)

Summer 1862- Battle of Copperhead Landing. 3rd Lemoyne Regiment looked to ambush Union soldiers who travelled down the Lannahechee to retake St Denis. Union fired cannons and killed the majority of the Confederate soldiers, and then sent men to shore to kill the survivors.

March 30th 1862- A confederate charge led by General Hobart Crawley leads to 3,202 dead Confederate soldiers, with Crawley the only survivor

May 8th 1863- Fort Brennand Massacre. Confederate soldiers under the command of General Quincy Harris climb the trees near the Union stronghold at night and shoot into the fort. The north gate is then broken down, and those who surrendered were executed.

1864- Battle of Scarlett Meadows. Reported as one of the bloodiest battles of the war, remains of the battle can still be seen in the game at Bolger Glade. With allegations of cowardice aimed at General Harris, and the odds stacked against the Confederacy late into the war, this was one of the last major battles. The Union army pinned down Harris' men so they had to fight uphill, leading to a fierce battle that included a munitions explosion in the broken down church at the base of the hill. This happened at some point after August 17th going by Garfield's letter to Martha.

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15 minutes ago, codedoddertdervbs said:

There's a few bits around the civil war in the game.

 

Characters involved in Civil War

Confederacy: General Quincy T. Harris, General Quinn, General Hobart Crawley, Garfield

Union: Colonel Henry Favours, First Lieutenant Ronald Alger, Hamish Sinclair, Hayden Russell

 

Locations

Bolger Glade, Fort Brennand, Copperhead Landing, St Denis. (Hypotheticals: Fort Riggs, Fort Wallace, Fort Mercer)

From what I can gather, Lemoyne was the only territory in the Confederate states. Ambarino is the only one that's confirmed to be in the Union. No information is given about West Elizabeth, New Hanover, or New Austin.

 

Timeline

April 1862- Union soldiers await orders to retake St Denis from the rebels (according to the veteran who thinks the war never ended)

Summer 1862- Battle of Copperhead Landing. 3rd Lemoyne Regiment looked to ambush Union soldiers who travelled down the Lannahechee to retake St Denis. Union fired cannons and killed the majority of the Confederate soldiers, and then sent men to shore to kill the survivors.

March 30th 1862- A confederate charge led by General Hobart Crawley leads to 3,202 dead Confederate soldiers, with Crawley the only survivor

May 8th 1863- Fort Brennand Massacre. Confederate soldiers under the command of General Quincy Harris climb the trees near the Union stronghold at night and shoot into the fort. The north gate is then broken down, and those who surrendered were executed.

1864- Battle of Scarlett Meadows. Reported as one of the bloodiest battles of the war, remains of the battle can still be seen in the game at Bolger Glade. With allegations of cowardice aimed at General Harris, and the odds stacked against the Confederacy late into the war, this was one of the last major battles. The Union army pinned down Harris' men so they had to fight uphill, leading to a fierce battle that included a munitions explosion in the broken down church at the base of the hill. This happened at some point after August 17th going by Garfield's letter to Martha.

Great write-up man, appreciate the time you took to put that together.

 

Regarding lore, I actually think the story of the Van De Linde gang itself need piecing together a bit. I think there's just enough references to locations and time periods by the gang in camp that we could put together a rough history of the gang before the Blackwater Massacre, and I think that would be interesting, because even if the next game is a whole new saga, i have no doubts in my mind the Van de Linde gang in some form will make an appearance. 

 

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9 hours ago, SneakyDeaky said:

Great write-up man, appreciate the time you took to put that together.

 

Regarding lore, I actually think the story of the Van De Linde gang itself need piecing together a bit. I think there's just enough references to locations and time periods by the gang in camp that we could put together a rough history of the gang before the Blackwater Massacre, and I think that would be interesting, because even if the next game is a whole new saga, i have no doubts in my mind the Van de Linde gang in some form will make an appearance. 

 

Yeah great idea , I’m also interested in the timeline from RDR 2 - RDR 1 

specifically Javier and Bills departures

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On 9/8/2019 at 10:18 PM, codedoddertdervbs said:

On the basis of a few comments on the beta hunt, retcons and mapping threads, I thought it'd be interesting to have a thread on its own dedicated to documenting the wider world of the Red Dead Redemption 2 and its universe. Mainly based around things that are reported, but don't appear the game. Locations, historical events, characters/factions, anything like that. Stuff from RDR1 is welcome in here as well.

 

There is such a richly detailed timeline in the in-game universe just based around mission or incidental dialogue, newspapers, artefacts, and so on. I hope having a dedicated topic focused on researching this will eventually do some justice to the level of detail that has been put into the series. 

Look at the map I created, it lacks Talleluja Jetty and a few other places, but those will be added later on. 

 

Currently at an event, so I will get into this thread later on. Replied to get notified :)

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Mysterious hero
On 9/11/2019 at 12:51 PM, SneakyDeaky said:

Regarding lore, I actually think the story of the Van Der Linde gang itself need piecing together a bit. I think there's just enough references to locations and time periods by the gang in camp that we could put together a rough history of the gang before the Blackwater Massacre, and I think that would be interesting, because even if the next game is a whole new saga, i have no doubts in my mind the Van de Linde gang in some form will make an appearance. 

 

I got something interesting about the gang's history.

 

In "Sodom? Back to Gomorrah" Karen mentions that she, Arthur, and Javier robbed a bank in Tucson, Arizona. We can actually somewhat pin down when exactly this bank robbery happened.

 

For one, the fact that Javier is apart of this job means that it happened no earlier than 1895, the year he joined. Karen mentions that the job was "all them years ago" which places the job no later than 1897.

 

This means that the Tucson Bank Job happened sometime between 1895 and 1897. 

Edited by Mysterious hero

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