Should Paint it Black (PIB) Be Nerfed?

[The Blast]

14 hours ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

 

I feel that maybe SB should make users immune to being painted, SB is meant to prevent lock on after all. 

 

 

The PIB nerf complaint thread is apparently only for die-hard SB users.

I use focus fire, and I have no interest in PIB because of the fact that time isn't slowed down like in single player, and I don't like using SB because it's an abuse of the game.


From where I'm standing, people who helplessly rely on SB for success are hurt by the fact that PIB is a solution to it.

PIB exists as a counter to SB.

Nerf/remove entirely SB, and PIB will lose its power. That's why I'm only interested in getting rid of or nerfing SB. It's the only remaining annoying card that's truly abused after Rockstar took care of Never Without One and Slow & Steady.

There is a thing called cover. If you're in cover, someone can't paint you. Be prudent.

[LXXXV]

It's true that PIB is a direct counter to SB, but it's (X) ability isn't limited to just that card. Whether someone is using Focus Fire, Slow & Steady, A Moment to Recuperate, Quite an Inspiration, or not even using Dead Eye @ all, it still works.

[wehweh01]

31 minutes ago, LXXXV said:

It's true that PIB is a direct counter to SB, but it's (X) ability isn't limited to just that card. Whether someone is using Focus Fire, Slow & Steady, A Moment to Recuperate, Quite an Inspiration, or not even using Dead Eye @ all, it still works.

This is exactly why I propose a 4th tier added to Dead Eye cards. It would promote Freeaim without the annoyance if being "Painted" and all card users would be on equal terms. Meanwhile, the "Lower" tier card users can enjoy the present gameplay without being bothered with nerfs.

35 minutes ago, LXXXV said:

It's true that PIB is a direct counter to SB, but it's (X) ability isn't limited to just that card. Whether someone is using Focus Fire, Slow & Steady, A Moment to Recuperate, Quite an Inspiration, or not even using Dead Eye @ all, it still works.

This is exactly why I propose a 4th tier added to Dead Eye cards. It would promote Freeaim without the annoyance if being "Painted" and all card users would be on equal terms. Meanwhile, the "Lower" tier card users can enjoy the present gameplay without being bothered with nerfs.

[Happy Hunter]

I don't really like that if you use explosives, there's not much in the way of counters. What do you do if you're painted by a dynamite arrow a mile away? Giving SB immunity would at least give us one counter. I can't really think what else could be done without interfering with the card too much.

 

Other than that, extending the shotgun range to double what it usually is (if not more), kind of sucks and doesn't make sense. Removing inaccuracy is sort of needed for the shots to hit their targets - but like Jason said, combined with auto aim, people just use it to get headshots faster than is possible with other cards.

 

17 hours ago, Jason said:

PiB = Deadeye and Deadeye also functioned like this in RDR1 to my knowledge, it's intended.

 

The "fix" is to remove lock on aiming, but the game is built around it at this moment in time so we're basically f*cked

 

 

It was. It's pretty much the OG deadeye - worked more or less exactly the same even in the old Red Dead Revolver.

 

I don't want to butcher it, though having some kind of counter to PIB explosives would be nice. Also might be worth removing aiming bloom from other cards. Could make a case for something like S&S needing it - I mean, what good is tanking bullets if just one shot means your aim is all over the place?

Edited August 26, 2019 by Happy Hunter

[Hudawg]

12 hours ago, The Blast said:

The PIB nerf complaint thread is apparently only for die-hard SB users.

I use focus fire, and I have no interest in PIB because of the fact that time isn't slowed down like in single player, and I don't like using SB because it's an abuse of the game..

Many people complain about PIB and its got nothing to do with SB.

 

PIB bypasses weapon bloom/aim bobble.  And can turn dynamite arrows into lazer blasters.   So not sure you can sit there and claim SB is an abuse of the game, when SB is used as intended.

 

 

[Ronin Ogami]

 Best thing to do would be to scrap the card system. Remove them from PvP & free roam events entirely, & only make them available for story missions. I, like many others, don't even know why the f*** they're IN the game at all. I use them because it would be stupid to put myself at a disadvantage for honor's sake in a digital game. To be honest, I'd rather see them gone altogether.

[The Blast]

2 hours ago, Hudawg said:

Many people complain about PIB and its got nothing to do with SB.

 

PIB bypasses weapon bloom/aim bobble.  And can turn dynamite arrows into lazer blasters.   So not sure you can sit there and claim SB is an abuse of the game, when SB is used as intended.

 

 

You're wrong, even if some of what you said is accurate. So SB is used as intended? So is PIB. I think both are garbage.

SB is by far an abuse of the game, because it removes one of the most important functions: AUTO-AIM.

I'm so far beyond the impotent rage complaints of people crying and dying for free-aim that this is probably the only time you'll ever even see me acknowledge it, but here goes:

I LOVE the auto-aim feature of GTA and Red Dead games...

and - frankly, if you want free-aim bragging rights ego-strokage, for the love of all that is holy, go play a ******* first person shooter. Seriously. Ultra-seriously. I won't argue about it free-aim in Rockstar games with anybody. You couldn't pay me to play free-aim in a Rockstar game. I feel so strongly about how stupid it is to want free-aim in a Rockstar game that --- free-aim conversations do not even register to me --- they're less than irrelevant --- they're the ultimate video game nothing-burger conversation. You free-aim advocates could literally spend your time doing anything else on the planet besides talk about how Rockstar games should be free-aim, or have the option, or whatever - and it would be a better use of your time. I cannot stress this viewpoint enough, so I won't. To put it simply:

The reason why I love Rockstar games is precisely because of the auto-aim feature.

But fine. Nerf them both. Destroy them all. This online game is literally one of the worst online games ever made. It is only because of desperate love for the single player game that I continue to play this dysfunctional piece of video game trash... I don't even know why we are here. Damn us all.

Edited August 26, 2019 by The Blast

[wehweh01]

3 hours ago, The Blast said:

You're wrong, even if some of what you said is accurate. So SB is used as intended? So is PIB. I think both are garbage.

SB is by far an abuse of the game, because it removes one of the most important functions: AUTO-AIM.

I'm so far beyond the impotent rage complaints of people crying and dying for free-aim that this is probably the only time you'll ever even see me acknowledge it, but here goes:

I LOVE the auto-aim feature of GTA and Red Dead games...

and - frankly, if you want free-aim bragging rights ego-strokage, for the love of all that is holy, go play a ******* first person shooter. Seriously. Ultra-seriously. I won't argue about it free-aim in Rockstar games with anybody. You couldn't pay me to play free-aim in a Rockstar game. I feel so strongly about how stupid it is to want free-aim in a Rockstar game that --- free-aim conversations do not even register to me --- they're less than irrelevant --- they're the ultimate video game nothing-burger conversation. You free-aim advocates could literally spend your time doing anything else on the planet besides talk about how Rockstar games should be free-aim, or have the option, or whatever - and it would be a better use of your time. I cannot stress this viewpoint enough, so I won't. To put it simply:

The reason why I love Rockstar games is precisely because of the auto-aim feature.

But fine. Nerf them both. Destroy them all. This online game is literally one of the worst online games ever made. It is only because of desperate love for the single player game that I continue to play this dysfunctional piece of video game trash... I don't even know why we are here. Damn us all.

I think a simple "No" would have sufficed in this thread

 

I appreciate your honesty though. 

[GEИESIS]

Make it so players can't be marked with any form of explosives.

[Hudawg]

5 hours ago, The Blast said:

You're wrong, even if some of what you said is accurate. So SB is used as intended? So is PIB. I think both are garbage.
 

No.. im not wrong.  I mean, are you reading what you're replying to?

 

SB is meant to remove auto aim. Which means its working as intended (As your bitching and moaning about it clearly proves)  PIB is being used to quick fire shots to bypass bloom and weapon bobble.  When the card should be used to ONLY paint targets.

 

A while ago all Dead Eye cards bypassed weapon bloom/aim bobble.  Hence, it should also be removed from PIB so that PIB is only used for painting targets. OR R* should add it to all Dead Eye cards like it originally was.

 

5 hours ago, The Blast said:

SB is by far an abuse of the game, because it removes one of the most important functions: AUTO-AIM.

I'm so far beyond the impotent rage complaints of people crying and dying for free-aim that this is probably the only time you'll ever even see me acknowledge it, but here goes:

I LOVE the auto-aim feature of GTA and Red Dead games..

Theres nothing being abused by anyone who uses SB.  You hate free aim.  And because SB nulls auto aim you don't like it.  But, SB works as intended and that's the bottom line.

 

I HATE AUTO AIM in any game that doesn't not require it.   Especially in GTA and RED DEAD.

 

So as far as im concerned.  I don't care  if you hate SB because you hate free aim.   

5 hours ago, The Blast said:

and - frankly, if you want free-aim bragging rights ego-strokage, for the love of all that is holy, go play a ******* first person shooter. 

 

  Bragging rights and ego strokes ...and FPS?    Whaat are you even talking about?

 

I just think auto aim ruins the fun of the game that involves shooting and I want nothing to do with it.   

Edited August 26, 2019 by Hudawg

[The Dedito Gae]

My biggest grief with this card is that appears theres not a single red door in the game...

 

Spend hours looking for one to no avail, f*cking unplayable.

[CosmicBuffalo]

 

Players coming in and out of PIB causes tremendous lag.  Needs to be nerfed really bad.  This guy had 24 kills and 5 deaths.  I am quite sure it was due to all his "skill" and had nothing to do with him being able to eat 3 point blank slugs.

Edited August 26, 2019 by CosmicBuffalo

[wehweh01]

4 hours ago, CosmicBuffalo said:

 

Players coming in and out of PIB causes tremendous lag.  Needs to be nerfed really bad.  This guy had 24 kills and 5 deaths.  I am quite sure it was due to all his "skill" and had nothing to do with him being able to eat 3 point blank slugs.

Did you run out of regular ammo for the shotgun or something? I thought even with aim assist slugs were considered kinda crap for hip-fire. As a Freeaimer I only use them as a last resort.

 

 

Edited August 27, 2019 by wehweh01

[CosmicBuffalo]

Nah, it was just selected for some unknown reason...I actually killed him...lol, it said I got him from the beyond.  Normal buckshot is better, but I didnt hip fire, I came out and auto aimed the guy.  I shot 4 shots and only 3 hit.

 

[wehweh01]

Ya I didn't notice you weren't hip-firing either. Surprised you weren't doing that either. 

 

I've seen some crazy "Death From Beyond" myself but from other players point of view. Like shooting someone's head clean off and then they somehow head shot me. I think it's mostly due to lag or these "awesome" servers we play on. There's also a slew of folks who use lag switch as well. Very annoying.

[yeagerbom]

Wouldn’t mind them splitting the abilities into two different cards. Maybe make paint it black have bloom but still be able to mark targets and give the no bloom ability to focus fire or maybe a whole new card all together. That could bring a bit more variety to loadouts. 

[IceHeartache]

Well in some kind of way PIB is part of RDR, it was in the first RDR, the main characters have the ability so for me is the true and only card that should be in the game but well ,  for me is fine the way the card works, is not like you activate the card and you paint the target in critical points instantly, the only problem with PIB is when a player use it with a shotgun then the card become a little annoying, so the problem is the shotgun range not the card itself

 

Im more into nerfing SB (some shadow modes are a mess when a crew use this card) but it seems a lot of people love that card so yeah, i don't think r* can please anyone with this card system

[GEИESIS]

1 hour ago, Baltel said:

Well in some kind of way PIB is part of RDR, it was in the first RDR, the main characters have the ability so for me is the true and only card that should be in the game but well ,  for me is fine the way the card works, is not like you activate the card and you paint the target in critical points instantly, the only problem with PIB is when a player use it with a shotgun then the card become a little annoying, so the problem is the shotgun range not the card itself

 

Im more into nerfing SB (some shadow modes are a mess when a crew use this card) but it seems a lot of people love that card so yeah, i don't think r* can please anyone with this card system

Yes, they should reduce the shotgun range when using PIB. Shotgun shouldn't be able to headshot me when I'm like 20ft away. They should also remove the ability to paint players with any form of explosives.

 

About SB, nothing against it but they shouldn't have the ability to pop out and kill and go back into it. PIB is the counter to SB but the free aim is so clunky in this game it will be hard to even mark someone using SB while their running and strafing.

[tonko]

1 hour ago, Baltel said:

Well in some kind of way PIB is part of RDR, it was in the first RDR, the main characters have the ability so for me is the true and only card that should be in the game but well ,  for me is fine the way the card works, is not like you activate the card and you paint the target in critical points instantly, the only problem with PIB is when a player use it with a shotgun then the card become a little annoying, so the problem is the shotgun range not the card itself

 

Im more into nerfing SB (some shadow modes are a mess when a crew use this card) but it seems a lot of people love that card so yeah, i don't think r* can please anyone with this card system

Indeed. Only back in RDR multiplayer there were 2 ways of filling your Dead Eye meter:

1. Kill players without it,

2. 3-4 Dead eye loot boxes on each PVP map.

 

So it wasn't that easy to fill it just like that. RDR 2 gives you tonic chugging option so you can spam it all the time and never leave Dead Eye. In the end, cards are a mess.

 

Edited August 27, 2019 by tonko

[mxfox408]

SB is used to counter PIB
as someone who is reactive to PvP not seeking it out, Im ready to fight whenever I am attacked. 99% of the time people use PIB becuase they lack the skill to fight without it in PvP. I had to run a SB build to counter that weak crutch. If rockstar nerfs PIB and restricts it to PvE only and same with SB id be fine with that, however players using PIB is far more of a thing on PC than those using SB. I know they lack in skill because the minute I move the fight to long range or start melee charging them they cannot hit an elephant to save their life. I actually really would enjoy it if they made it so you cannot paint Players or SB players. That would even things out.

[AmyStone]

2 hours ago, mxfox408 said:

I actually really would enjoy it if they made it so you cannot paint Players or SB players. That would even things out.

So then you would be left with Slow and Steads with no real way to counter that. Each card has strengths and weaknesses and it's up to each person to decide what they get the most out of in the situation they are in. 

 

2 hours ago, mxfox408 said:

I had to run a SB build to counter that weak crutch. 

If it takes no skill then why not use it yourself? Why feel forced to use a Slippery build to counter it? 

 

No one card takes any less skill than another. The skill is in picking the the right card for the fight. From your post I'm guessing you haven't learned to use PiB and are a bit miffed about that so you call it a weak crunch to make yourself feel better.

[RyuNova]

It needs changing, I should know when I am "painted" and using the Dive ability should clear all PiB markers and break lock on.

[StyxTx]

54 minutes ago, AmyStone said:

So then you would be left with Slow and Steads with no real way to counter that.

That's why I'm in favor of doing away with all cards. Make people rely on skills, not cheats......to me cards are cheats but I know others don't see them that way. People who think they are so good because they use cards....well....whatever makes them feel better.

Edited May 5, 2021 by StyxTx

[Megadeus]

9 minutes ago, StyxTx said:

That's why I'm in favor of doing away with all cards. Make people rely on skills, not cheats......to me cards are cheats and I know others don't see them that way.

 

^^^^^this.

 

Hardcore freeroam lobby of some kind would solve all of this

Edited May 5, 2021 by Megadeus

[Direwrath]

I suck at using the Dead Eye in this game so I hardly use it at all, but when I need to use it to get out of a bad situation PIB helps. 

 

Honestly I use Slippery more just because it helps give me an escape to get away from players I don't want to engage with who are more than adamant to engage with me. Most of the time though I forget I even have cards loaded. There was one time I freaked out because had Slippery loaded, and when I accidentally went into Dead Eye instead of Eagle Eye I saw my character was all blurred out and thought my game was broke.

[AmyStone]

It's a level playing field though. It's not like some people can use cards but others can't. Everyone is free to choose whatever cards they like and learn how to use them. The cards are staying so if you want to get involved in pvp you have to make the most out of them. There are no easy cards and hard cards. Using slippery all the time doesn't make you a better player than someone with paint it black. Whoever does the best in fights using what the game has to offer is the better player.

[Nerfgoth]

On 8/26/2019 at 9:16 PM, Hudawg said:

No.. im not wrong.  I mean, are you reading what you're replying to?

 

SB is meant to remove auto aim. Which means its working as intended (As your bitching and moaning about it clearly proves)  PIB is being used to quick fire shots to bypass bloom and weapon bobble.  When the card should be used to ONLY paint targets.

 

A while ago all Dead Eye cards bypassed weapon bloom/aim bobble.  Hence, it should also be removed from PIB so that PIB is only used for painting targets. OR R* should add it to all Dead Eye cards like it originally was.

 

Theres nothing being abused by anyone who uses SB.  You hate free aim.  And because SB nulls auto aim you don't like it.  But, SB works as intended and that's the bottom line.

 

I HATE AUTO AIM in any game that doesn't not require it.   Especially in GTA and RED DEAD.

 

So as far as im concerned.  I don't care  if you hate SB because you hate free aim.   

 

  Bragging rights and ego strokes ...and FPS?    Whaat are you even talking about?

 

I just think auto aim ruins the fun of the game that involves shooting and I want nothing to do with it.   

Auto aim is OK when hunting but pvp should be more about skill!

 

Reading almost every post made I can agree about removing the anti-blom effect the card has!

 

On 8/26/2019 at 10:18 PM, CosmicBuffalo said:

 

Players coming in and out of PIB causes tremendous lag.  Needs to be nerfed really bad.  This guy had 24 kills and 5 deaths.  I am quite sure it was due to all his "skill" and had nothing to do with him being able to eat 3 point blank slugs.

 

Seriously that makes the game lag too!?

 

On 8/27/2019 at 5:14 AM, yeagerbom said:

Wouldn’t mind them splitting the abilities into two different cards. Maybe make paint it black have bloom but still be able to mark targets and give the no bloom ability to focus fire or maybe a whole new card all together. That could bring a bit more variety to loadouts. 

 

Hell no to give focus fire the anti-bloom effect! That card is somewhat balanced! Maybe have a higher damage bonus. 

 

But the bloom effect I noticed usually appears with repeaters and some what with revolvers. Other times I play cold and wait out the little bloom there is.

[StyxTx]

1 hour ago, AmyStone said:

It's a level playing field though. It's not like some people can use cards but others can't. Everyone is free to choose whatever cards they like and learn how to use them. The cards are staying so if you want to get involved in pvp you have to make the most out of them. There are no easy cards and hard cards. Using slippery all the time doesn't make you a better player than someone with paint it black. Whoever does the best in fights using what the game has to offer is the better player.

Using cards doesn't make anyone a good player especially using autoaim. I think cards are an overkill because there is autoaim.

[AmyStone]

When people are competing within the same environment then you are going to have good players and bad players. You get good at what you are given. Otherwise you could say all pool players are rubbish because snooker players have to play much harder shots.

[Lonely-Martin]

Lol, thanks to the ways to remove all these cards along with the pussies, trolls and kids from my world with them, I've less care in this debate.

 

These cards should never have been added, alot of other options, freedoms and content should have instead, but R* needs ya pocket money so they'll make anything if it makes a buck. Boom boom crap and help aids will certainly help that.