what happened to 3D Universe after HD Universe?

[DownInThePMs 1,973]

it took a coffee break

[Pixelation games 44]

On 9/4/2019 at 5:38 PM, Copcaller said:

I doubt we'll ever see a return to the 3d universe hence the rip Tommy Claude cj etc graffiti you can find in 4

 

It still exists since it's a different universe like with marvel earth 616 and 1610. 

 

My guess 2001 onward

Claude- flees back to San fierro and buys another garage with his cash maybe works for Wang cars 

 

Carl Johnson- pretty much a jay z Frank Lucas p Diddy type figure vast criminal empire and the manager to a successful rapper probably designing shoes like jay z and advertising nasty overpriced liquor 

 

Tommy- currently battling tax evasion charges in court empire is still strong but the meth and opiates trade is cutting into his cocaine profits

 

Toni- still leader of the Leone family started exercising again after he suffered a heart attack

No. claude has never been to San Fierro,he's only been in the countryside with Catalina.

Edited September 7, 2019 by Pixelation games

[GTA-Biker 5,976]

I'd say 3D universe still exists,but it's separate from HD universe,so the HD universe games aren't continuing the story of 3D universe games,and whatever happens in HD universe doesn't affect 3D universe.For example,just because Ballas took over Grove Street in HD universe doesn't mean it also happened in 3D universe,in 3D universe those Cobra bikers are probably still riding around San Andreas instead of The Lost MC,instead of the five mafia families in Liberty City there's the Leones, Forellis and Sindaccos, etc.

As for R* making another game made with old engine and set in 3D universe,it's not completely impossible,but it's unlikely.Even if it does happen,it will probably be exclusive to handheld consoles and/or smartphones.

[Copcaller 623]

4 hours ago, Pixelation games said:

No. claude has never been to San Fierro,he's only been in the countryside with Catalina.

Well he did own a garage in San fierro and rockstar confirmed that he's a drifter from the west coast so I always figured he grew up in or around San fierro 

[KingD19 84]

I was just thinking this today like I wonder what’s going in Los Santos in 2019 in the 3D era with Carl Johnson Influence Over the city I wanna know if Cj or sweet ended up in Prison like people like Raymond Washington,Tookie Williams ,Larry Hoover Etc or did cj start going legit I wanna know what happen after the 80s in Vice city  

[FireBred 14]

awesome

[Evil empire 2,518]

What happened to the 3D universe after the HD universe appeared is the same thing than what happens to a character once his interprete left the theatre stage.

[MTMguy 17]

Something that could be possible would be continuing with the 3D universe story without affecting the HD universe one, but being made in Rockstar's updated engine. For an example, it could be something like GTA V with the map and characters from GTA San Andreas (but with better textures, models and other aspects, as everything would be updated to the new engine), but it would continue the story from the 3D universe without affecting the one from the HD universe.

[Magic_Al 941]

I see the 3D universe and the HD universe as two very subjective views of a single narrative universe that only truly exists in the imagination.

 

A game is only an approximation of the creators' imagination. For example, if you build a model of a real thing out of Legos it's not a perfect representation, it has to follow the rules of Legos. A game is similarly limited by the form it's in. As technology improves so much, the new form must contradict the old to correct the flaws caused by compromises that no longer have to be made. Specfically, the motion-capture acting style in the 3D era is far more broad, like actors playing to the back row of a very large theater, because there was little or no detail in facial expression or gesture; bringing an on-screen 3D-era character into an HD-era game would require toning down the performance, and it wouldn't seem like quite the same character.

 

If you only consider the in-game radio, there's a lot more continutity from the 3D to the HD era. GTA radio is much more like real radio than game graphics are like the physical world, so GTA's radio is more exactly like what the creators imagine exists in the GTA universe. The radio, or media universe that now includes in-game TV and internet, can be seen as a third subjective point of view, one that doesn't have to change because it was already rendered more correctly.

 

The change from the 3D to HD era is not the end of a universe, but rather the 3D point of view is now considered an unreliable narrative. Things that aren't explictly contradicted by the newer games may have still sort of happened in a differntly detailed way. But the 3D universe doesn't continue into the HD era, the HD era replaces it and reimagines it.

[billiejoearmstrong8 4,494]

9 hours ago, Magic_Al said:

I see the 3D universe and the HD universe as two very subjective views of a single narrative universe that only truly exists in the imagination.

 

A game is only an approximation of the creators' imagination. For example, if you build a model of a real thing out of Legos it's not a perfect representation, it has to follow the rules of Legos. A game is similarly limited by the form it's in. As technology improves so much, the new form must contradict the old to correct the flaws caused by compromises that no longer have to be made. Specfically, the motion-capture acting style in the 3D era is far more broad, like actors playing to the back row of a very large theater, because there was little or no detail in facial expression or gesture; bringing an on-screen 3D-era character into an HD-era game would require toning down the performance, and it wouldn't seem like quite the same character.

 

If you only consider the in-game radio, there's a lot more continutity from the 3D to the HD era. GTA radio is much more like real radio than game graphics are like the physical world, so GTA's radio is more exactly like what the creators imagine exists in the GTA universe. The radio, or media universe that now includes in-game TV and internet, can be seen as a third subjective point of view, one that doesn't have to change because it was already rendered more correctly.

 

The change from the 3D to HD era is not the end of a universe, but rather the 3D point of view is now considered an unreliable narrative. Things that aren't explictly contradicted by the newer games may have still sort of happened in a differntly detailed way. But the 3D universe doesn't continue into the HD era, the HD era replaces it and reimagines it.

Really like this view on it!

[Yinepi 1,356]

There are a lot of hints in GTAV/O that both the 2D the 3D universe exists within the HD universe, though some events may have happened differently.

Anywhere City is mention in a description for the Lampadatti Furore GT.
Imponte, Maibatsu and BF are car brands in both 3D and HD eras.
Cars like Cheetah Classic for example being based on the same car as VC and is titled "classic".
Love Fist making an appearance both physically and on a T-Shirt Trevor can wear.
Donald Love is mentioned in a newspaper in both GTAIV and GTAV. "Love's Hate relationship with taxes" as the headline reads.
The Liberty Tree exists in both IV and GTAIII.
Claude and Misty can be GTAO protag parents.
Franklin mentions the Grove Street families in a conversation with Jimmy.
The Vinewood Boulevard in GTAV has sidewalk stars for 3D era characters, such as the aforementioned Donald Love.

So while GSF, Love, and Claude/Misty may be present, there is an alternate HD version of them that maybe have done things differently, but still exist in a greater GTA continuity. So in a way the 3D universe didn't stop existing, but was just altered to fit the HD era lore.

Edited January 3 by Yinepi

[Jabalous 8,017]

It's a play on words, and was never a definite or well-defined thing. There's only one universe and it's called the Grand Theft Auto universe.

[Skooma Addicted Blade 5]

For all intents and purposes, yeah, R* is done with the 3D era.

Although, if you wanna get really specific, its not too far fetched to assume that they'll be releasing an updated port of Vice City Stories mobile at some point in the future since Liberty City Stories was released just a year ago.

 

On 8/15/2019 at 7:23 AM, Pixelation games said:

my pc is old and sh**ty i can only play older gta's

That's a bummer man. I was in that position once so I feel ya. Have you tried running a PSP emulator like PPSSPP? It'll give you access to to Liberty City and Vice City Stories which is more 3D Era awesomeness.

 

[Zello 16,643]

27 minutes ago, Skooma Addicted Blade said:

Although, if you wanna get really specific, its not too far fetched to assume that they'll be releasing an updated port of Vice City Stories mobile at some point in the future since Liberty City Stories was released just a year ago.

 

ummm..... LCS mobile was released in 2015. I don't think a VCS port is coming anytime soon.

[Skooma Addicted Blade 5]

15 minutes ago, Zello said:

ummm..... LCS mobile was released in 2015. I don't think a VCS port is coming anytime soon.

Oh sh*t your right haha, I looked it up on the Google Play Store and the release date was listed as Feb 2019. Must been the latest patch or something.

[Big Fat Paulie 280]

To be honest, I kind of preferred the 3D Era to the current HD Era, although both are pretty good.

[slimeball supreme 9,342]

FACT: It was completely obliterated. It no longer exists. The universe experienced heat death. They're all gone: Tommy, Claude, CJ, they're all dead along with every radio station, character, city, etc. All of you who prefer it or constantly reminisce about it or write things set in it are writing about characters who have been destroyed.

 

Much like the HD Universe progresses and runs parallel to our own reality, for it to exist the 3D universe had to be destroyed. There are no parallel realities where CJ is a record mogul. There is no future for these characters. Everything and everyone you know and love is dead and they are never, never coming back

Edited January 17 by slimeball supreme

[AryanMapYo 0]

I dont know but its pretty sad that.......

3d era is gone and we will remember.😐😀

[Lioshenka 984]

Some pretty good ideas here.

 

So I think what we can establish is that Claude, Tommy and CJ all exist in the Rage universe like they did in their respective worlds. What has changed was the way their universes were depicted (well, except Tommy's, because we haven't seen a Rage VC). Just like Niko and Trevor existed in the Renderware worlds doing their own things in a different way.

 

Based on that we can assume that they all have died before the events of GTA 5 took place if the RIP writing on the wall is real. Claude had a child (on-line character) before he died.

 

It would be interesting to know what happened to them, although it makes me sad to realised that they are all dead.

 

ADDED OMG, so because we haven't seen the Rage VC then in accordance with the Schrödinger's theory we can assume that VC looks exactly the same like it did in 1986, unless R* releases a new game. Mind = blown.

Edited January 23 by Lioshenka

[VictorVance1239 800]

I like to think of the 3D era games as gangsta movies in the HD universe. Same cities but smaller scale just like a movie on a limited budget would do. Especially if we geet the full circle with VI being in Vice City. 

 

Rockstar has said in the past that they'd like to make a game that features all 3 3D era cities together, but it's unknown if that still something they're interested in at this point.

 

I think they could easily have an online game with the older but slightly shiner graphics/engine.  Have a create a character mode and just let people team up and make a lot of money together against A.I and each other like the current online is. People could put classic outfits of the characters on their character, hair styles, and even let us just use the character skins if we want. Imagine getting to do battles between Tommys gang vs Grove street. 

 

People could be the Ballas 

The Gangs from Vice City 

The Mafia or Cartel from GTA 3, etc. 

 

Basically every characters model to ever be part of any of the PS2 or PSP games available to use. 

 

[Zello 16,643]

The 3D universe is hiding in Niko Bellic's suitcase.

18 hours ago, VictorVance1239 said:

I like to think of the 3D era games as gangsta movies in the HD universe. Same cities but smaller scale just like a movie on a limited budget would do. Especially if we geet the full circle with VI being in Vice City. 

Missed opportunity in V with the Hollywood angle. They could have introduced a fictional actor who's now washed up and who was only famous for playing Tommy in Vice City. Michael and the movie studio could have swooped in and have him be the star of Meltdown which revives his career.

Edited January 24 by Zello

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Zello said:

The 3D universe is hiding in Niko Bellic's suitcase.

So the glow from Vincent's Niko's suitcase was the 3d universe all along

 

2 hours ago, Zello said:

Missed opportunity in V with the Hollywood angle. They could have introduced a fictional actor who's now washed up and who was only famous for playing Tommy in Vice City. Michael and the movie studio could have swooped in and have him be the star of Meltdown which revives his career.

I agree. It could have been a nice side story, and this way we could see more of Michael getting to live his dream life, and more Solomon who's one of my favourites. In general they could have explored Vinewood and it's criminal connections better as a side story atleast. I preferred TBOGT's club management to V's VInewood Souvenirs for some reason.

[VictorVance1239 800]

9 hours ago, Zello said:

The 3D universe is hiding in Niko Bellic's suitcase.

Missed opportunity in V with the Hollywood angle. They could have introduced a fictional actor who's now washed up and who was only famous for playing Tommy in Vice City. Michael and the movie studio could have swooped in and have him be the star of Meltdown which revives his career.

Could still work if VI's Vice City happens and is set in the Modern world.

[Zello 16,643]

32 minutes ago, VictorVance1239 said:

Could still work if VI's Vice City happens and is set in the Modern world.

How? Miami's movie scene is very small.

[VictorVance1239 800]

2 hours ago, Zello said:

How? Miami's movie scene is very small.

Well if the 3D era Vice City is meant to be a movie in the HD universe, Rockstar should be able to reanimate an aged Tommy model with Ray Liotta voicing him again for such a storyline. Just celebrating the Vice City game as a classic 80s film. Maybe get a couple of the other characters back too. I'd definitely like to see an older Lance Vance voiced by Philip Michael Thomas again. 

 

[Zello 16,643]

1 hour ago, VictorVance1239 said:

Well if the 3D era Vice City is meant to be a movie in the HD universe, Rockstar should be able to reanimate an aged Tommy model with Ray Liotta voicing him again for such a storyline. Just celebrating the Vice City game as a classic 80s film. Maybe get a couple of the other characters back too. I'd definitely like to see an older Lance Vance voiced by Philip Michael Thomas again. 

 

The majority of movie studios are in LA. Believe it or not a lot of the movie Scarface was also filmed in LA.

[KingD19 84]

On 1/17/2020 at 1:33 AM, slimeball supreme said:

FACT: It was completely obliterated. It no longer exists. The universe experienced heat death. They're all gone: Tommy, Claude, CJ, they're all dead along with every radio station, character, city, etc. All of you who prefer it or constantly reminisce about it or write things set in it are writing about characters who have been destroyed.

 

Much like the HD Universe progresses and runs parallel to our own reality, for it to exist the 3D universe had to be destroyed. There are no parallel realities where CJ is a record mogul. There is no future for these characters. Everything and everyone you know and love is dead and they are never, never coming back

That’s the brutal honest truth that I didn’t wanna hear lol but it’s nothing but facts 

[Copcaller 623]

On 9/25/2019 at 10:13 PM, KingD19 said:

I was just thinking this today like I wonder what’s going in Los Santos in 2019 in the 3D era with Carl Johnson Influence Over the city I wanna know if Cj or sweet ended up in Prison like people like Raymond Washington,Tookie Williams ,Larry Hoover Etc or did cj start going legit I wanna know what happen after the 80s in Vice city  

I imagine Rico would definitely hit the ballas, azteckas, vagos and families hard the triads too. As for cj going to prison it's possible although he'll probably avoid any serious time due to having the cash for a good lawyer. 

[TheFireMZL 150]

We don't know
But the only thing we guarantee is that Vic and Lance Vance are playing chess together 

Edited September 1 by TheFireMZL

[Evil empire 2,518]

The 3D universe merged with the Atlantis and Avalon.