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DamnedDev

[WIP|RDR|PC] Red Dead Redemption: Damned Enhancement Project

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DamnedDev
1 minute ago, universetwisters said:

 

I mean surely they can use that text message against you so, if this is to be believed, you already shot yourself in the foot.

Not really as it was blurred out.

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Jason
Just now, DamnedDev said:

I'm not looking to get screwed by a large company at this time.

Then you should probably stop promoting your self, the mod and the case like you're promoting a Hollywood film.

 

Take-Two are a multi-billion dollar company, not a bunch of naive kids. If you believe you have a case and for God knows what reason you're willing to try and fight Take-Two on it, you'd do well to keep quiet and talk about the matter with your lawyer only because otherwise Take-Two are going to bend you over in court and there aint a damn thing you'll be able to do about it.

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universetwisters
2 minutes ago, DamnedDev said:

Not really as it was blurred out.

 

I'm sure they can still use it in court like "hey we sent him THIS text message with THIS wording etc".

 

Granted I'm not a lawyer so I don't know what evidence is inadmissible or not but still

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DamnedDev
2 minutes ago, Jason said:

Then you should probably stop promoting your self, the mod and the case like you're promoting a Hollywood film.

 

Take-Two are a multi-billion dollar company, not a bunch of naive kids. If you believe you have a case and for God knows what reason you're willing to try and fight Take-Two on it, you'd do well to keep quiet and talk about the matter with your lawyer only because otherwise Take-Two are going to bend you over in court and there aint a damn thing you'll be able to do about it.

If I did keep quiet they win. This won't hurt me as won't let it reach court just enough to get them to talk back and forth. I believe this shouldn't kept quiet and public needs to know.

 

Just now, universetwisters said:

 

I'm sure they can still use it in court like "hey we sent him THIS text message with THIS wording etc".

 

Granted I'm not a lawyer so I don't know what evidence is inadmissible or not but still

Doubt it.

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Jason
Just now, DamnedDev said:

If I did keep quiet they win. This won't hurt me as won't let it reach court just enough to get them to talk back and forth. I believe this shouldn't kept quiet and public needs to know.

As seen with the OpenIV situation public support goes a long way, yes, but that doesn't mean you air everything about the case, including emails and the like, in public.

 

1 minute ago, DamnedDev said:

Doubt it.

You're trying to take on Take-Two in a legal battle and your answer to whether or not they can f*ck you over cause of something is "doubt it"?

 

For your sake I hope you're right and it doesn't go to court lol

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universetwisters
5 minutes ago, DamnedDev said:

Doubt it.

 

I literally just google searched saying that regardless it's evidence so I hope either you got a good lawyer or you're willing to settle 

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DamnedDev

I will be careful guys just want to talk to them to sort this out that's all. I feel like if I can reach out it could be good for modding in future.

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theNGclan

Why didn’t they just send a cease and desist like they have done with every single case before? Companies have a tendency of doing that.

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universetwisters
2 hours ago, theNGclan said:

Why didn’t they just send a cease and desist like they have done with every single case before? Companies have a tendency of doing that.

 

“””””allegedly””””” they did 

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theNGclan
1 minute ago, universetwisters said:

 

“””””allegedly””””” they did 

Kinda strange that they would supposedly go this route when they’ve been known to send PIs and C&D letters like it’s going out of style.

 

FiveM, OpenIV, RDR map for V, etc etc. There isn’t a reason this story should be this vague and so different. It’s fishy imho.

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universetwisters
31 minutes ago, theNGclan said:

Kinda strange that they would supposedly go this route when they’ve been known to send PIs and C&D letters like it’s going out of style.

 

FiveM, OpenIV, RDR map for V, etc etc. There isn’t a reason this story should be this vague and so different. It’s fishy imho.

 

Yeah like did those guys ever get any unsolicited text messages asking for the mod creator to "talk about" the project, like what John here's getting?

At this point I'm 90% sure this is all made up and John just wants attention for his gaming channel.

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DamnedDev

It was verbal on call there was no letter or anything. Was not concrete. Quit stiring up drama.

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theNGclan
5 minutes ago, DamnedDev said:

It was verbal on call there was no letter or anything. Was not concrete. Quit stiring up drama.

If you’re getting defensive when people question the legitimacy of something they read on a forum that has had its fair share of hoaxes then it really doesn’t help the legitimacy of your claim.

 

Innocent people don’t get mad when people want evidence for things.

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DamnedDev
Just now, theNGclan said:

If you’re getting defensive when people question the legitimacy of something they read on a forum that has had its fair share of hoaxes then it really doesn’t help the legitimacy of your claim.

 

Innocent people don’t get mad when people want evidence for things.

I'm not defensive? I wish I could show everything but I'm not gonna risk getting sued for leaking their info and ect. You can have your opinion and that be it.

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universetwisters
15 minutes ago, DamnedDev said:

It was verbal on call there was no letter or anything. Was not concrete. Quit stiring up drama.

 

It's kinda weird for T2, a large legal company who's done stuff like this before in the past, to only give you a call.

 

Plus another damning thing that makes me think this is a hoax is the trailer in the opening post and, if this is to be believed, surely T2 would tell you to take it down and try to take down all instances of it (as they did with the RDR to IV mod trailers)

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DamnedDev

I'm done talking on subject same thing happen to RDRV was verbal as well in same manner.

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universetwisters
7 minutes ago, DamnedDev said:

I'm done talking on subject same thing happen to RDRV was verbal as well in same manner.

 

I'm literally just asking the validity of this situation and how you're allowed to still keep videos of it up when RDRV got it taken down from T2. That's the biggest fault in your claim.

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If you don’t want the topic to be discussed then you should have never came forward on a publicly visible site with your situation. Simple as that.

 

There is nothing wrong with questioning the legitimacy of your story when we factor in your history. Could it have happened? Sure. Did it happen? We can’t be sure at the moment but your history of coercing people to do things for you says otherwise.

 

It’d be like me claiming Take Two took down my Niko mod for V and then claiming they did nothing regarding a legal process to make me halt my progress, only to then suggest they broke the law by accessing publicly available information. T2 contacting your family, while petty, is not illegal - the white pages are a thing, you know.

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DamnedDev
1 minute ago, universetwisters said:

 

I'm literally just asking the validity of this situation and how you're allowed to still keep videos of it up when RDRV got it taken down from T2. That's the biggest fault in your claim.

As I said they had no solid ground and I wasn't told to remove it but threatened if I talked about what happened. I don't take kind to threats. Please stop spamming Jestic and Ash and few others heard full call recording they can back it up. Go bother them not me they will tell you if you don't believe me.

 

1 minute ago, theNGclan said:

If you don’t want the topic to be discussed then you should have never came forward on a publicly visible site with your situation. Simple as that.

 

There is nothing wrong with questioning the legitimacy of your story when we factor in your history. Could it have happened? Sure. Did it happen? We can’t be sure at the moment but your history of coercing people to do things for you says otherwise.

 

It’d be like me claiming Take Two took down my Niko mod for V and then claiming they did nothing regarding a legal process to make me halt my progress, only to then suggest they broke the law by accessing publicly available information. T2 contacting your family, while petty, is not illegal - the white pages are a thing, you know.

I can see that but I don't take their bullying tactics kindly. I will fight as much as I can.

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theNGclan

You were told not to talk about it but not take it down? Is your story really this backwards or are you just reaching into a hat to get your replies? They would want you to shut it down and say nothing - there is no in between. By speaking about legal plans you have you are potentially voiding your case.

 

You can’t fight them with anything because they did not break the law and you are intending on releasing assets that belong to them. It may not be fair but that’s just how it is. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time, if you get what I mean.

 

Rockstar / T2 can take down any mod that affects their games as they wish. Is it right? No, not really, but are you going to try to say that you have every right to release modified versions of assets that are legally their property and not yours?

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DamnedDev
3 minutes ago, theNGclan said:

You can’t fight them with anything because they did not break the law and you are intending on releasing assets that belong to them. It may not be fair but that’s just how it is. Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time, if you get what I mean.

 

Rockstar / T2 can take down any mod that affects their games as they wish. Is it right? No, not really, but are you going to try to say that you have every right to release modified versions of assets that are legally their property and not yours?

Thing about modding there is laws protecting it. I get where you coming from but are you a legal licensed Lawyer? If I have a chance and my Lawyer have few angles then I will take them. I want to sort it out with them. 

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Dude, I’ve been through multiple court cases where I’m the victim and the offender. I’m telling you, as someone who has been on both sides of the courtroom spectrum, that what you are doing is not just wrong but incredibly stupid.

 

You will waste your money with a lawyer. You will look like a clown for trying to take a company over their own property. You will lose the case. Drop your flags and save yourself the trouble.

 

What’s next, are you gonna take PSY to court because of your smash hit from the Juhnlogic album?

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11 minutes ago, theNGclan said:

Dude, I’ve been through multiple court cases where I’m the victim and the offender. I’m telling you, as someone who has been on both sides of the courtroom spectrum, that what you are doing is not just wrong but incredibly stupid.

 

You will waste your money with a lawyer. You will look like a clown for trying to take a company over their own property. You will lose the case. Drop your flags and save yourself the trouble.

 

What’s next, are you gonna take PSY to court because of your smash hit from the Juhnlogic album?

The lawyer doing me a favor he not gonna charge me. What he gonna do is make it where we can talk to them to work it out. If we make a deal great. But if we go to court not sure if he start charging at that point. I will stop if talking to them doesn't work. I don't have capital to fight them in court. But you can't say I shouldn't try I will look like a guy who tried not a clown. I don't want money from them I want my rights to go on. I deeply understand you went through many court cases. It is a sticky process and might not work. I just wanna try and give it my best shot. I don't think me investing money in this will help either but if people support it and they want to they can but not required. These greedy corps need to see fans care.

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universetwisters
22 minutes ago, DamnedDev said:

As I said they had no solid ground and I wasn't told to remove it but threatened if I talked about what happened. I don't take kind to threats.

 

You're literally talking about it to everyone who will listen. You've been incriminating yourself and making your chances of winning the case plummet like a plane that just lost it's wings and turbines since twenty days ago.

 

@Ash_735 @Jestic , what was the call like?

 

 

2 minutes ago, DamnedDev said:

The lawyer doing me a favor he not gonna charge me. What he gonna do is make it where we can talk to them to work it out.

 

Oh god please tell me you didn't get one of those "IF I DON'T WIN YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY A DIME" lawyers that they advertise on television at 2 in the morning.

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There is NO SUCH THING as a FREE LAWYER. Doing legal work is their job, not a pass time. Did you ring them up after hearing them run an advertisement on the radio?
 

This situation should have stayed between you, your lawyer and Take Two. Blabbing about it to this degree is going to totally destroy your “case” if it wasn’t DOA.


I would love to see you get through this and release your mod but stop acting like you have a chance to take on some big corporation by lying and saying they’re illegally harassing you. Slander / libel is not going to help you overthrow big bad Zelnick.

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I know John can be a dick and has been a dick in the past, even I wasn't bothered about hearing him out at first. BUT he did a brilliant job in actually recording the call with Gena because it shows what tactics they've used, she used threatening language, got details about the mod completely wrong and refused to actually explain what was wrong once corrected, instead trying to further threaten him. I'm not going into the full details, that's up to John, but in this instance, Take-Two are completely in the wrong and went about this in the wrong way in hopes that John would back down like previous people have, but unlike them, John is an adult, they can't just go to his parents (even thought they tried!) and hope to confuse them with court costs and threats and bully them into signing an NDA, again, something they've done with previous cases.

 

My advice to John though, spread this to as many news sites as possible, BUT don't go shouting off in the comments sections and stuff when people show doubt, just get the news out there and let your lawyer do the rest with what should hopefully be a breeze of a case unless Take-Two try and drag it out as much as possible.

 

edit: And reading through this thread, John has done a bit of a sh*t job explaining what happened, but I can say the pattern was the same as the previous C&D's, only here John blew it up right away instead of signing anything.

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universetwisters

Well dang, Ash blew my idea of the whole thing being fake out of the water. Well done my guy.

 

But even if this does go to court, I'm still very skeptical of how well it'll hold out.

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Just now, universetwisters said:

Well dang, Ash blew my idea of the whole thing being fake out of the water. Well done my guy.

 

But even if this does go to court, I'm still very skeptical of how well it'll hold out.

How so as Ash said confirming they had no legal grounds it's a ball park winner.

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Just now, DamnedDev said:

How so as Ash said confirming they had no legal grounds it's a ball park winner.

 

I mean you're still gonna have to pay for a lawyer and, knowing T2, they'll probably try to drag it out as long as they will since there's actually opposition this time.

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Just now, universetwisters said:

 

I mean you're still gonna have to pay for a lawyer and, knowing T2, they'll probably try to drag it out as long as they will since there's actually opposition this time.

Well if fans want and if I go to court if I want to a legal fund may be open. But til then talking to them and making a deal is my best bet. But I rather not do court route. A judge will look over it however and rule in my favor most likely on first court date. I just want this dealt with best way possible.

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