RDR2 Online gun wishlist

[kieraboom]

Red Dead Online needs a lot of work in the content, patching and balancing departments. However, as a huge gun nut it's fun to think about what guns I'd like to see in future updates. The Old West and late 19th century were wild times for firearms development worldwide, and there are some really neat opportunities to add unique weapons that change up gun play and add some much needed variety.

 

I compiled a list of some of my top picks, feel free to add your own! In no particular order (and these are just ideas)

 

Winchester 1894 - 

One of the most successful hunting rifles ever produced. A 9 round lever action repeater chambered in .30-30. High damage, high recoil, high rate of fire. The heavy round's relatively low velocity means the 1894 suffers at range, but would outdamage the existing repeaters. Savage

 

Model 99 -

A lever action with a 5 internal carousel magazine, able to load spitzer (modern pointed bullet) rifle cartridges such as .30-40 Krag used by the Bolt Action Rifle (Krag-Jørgensen irl). It would have the highest damage of any repeater, and a faster rate of fire than any rifle. 5 rounds would limit its effectiveness as a repeater, but would have the accuracy and damage of the bolt action, albeit with significant recoil.

 

Sharps Rifle in .50-90 -

 

A single shot falling block rifle similar to the Rolling Block Rifle already in game. Some shooters consider the Sharps the more accurate of the two, and the .50-90 round would give it better range and damage. A Sharps rifle was used by Billy Dixon in 1874 during the Indian Wars to make the 14th longest recorded sniper kill in history, when he shot a Native American warrior off his horse and killed him at a range of 1.4km.

 

British Bulldog Revolver -

 

A double action pocket revolver patented in England in the 1860s but widely copied in Europe and the U.S. Commonly chambered in .445 Webley, the Bulldogs were no slouches, and had good stopping power up close. The revolvers only had a 5 round capacity instead of the usual 6, and due to their short barrels, were ineffective outside close range. The .455 round is comparable in ballistics to .45 ACP used in the 1911 and other weapons. Charles J. Guiteau used a .442 Webley British Bulldog revolver to assassinate U.S. President James A. Garfield on 2 July 1881. It reloads fairly quickly, only having five rounds, but will need to do so often. It reloads via a ramrod and loading gate.

 

Lancaster (Howdah) Pistol -

 

 

A four barrel handgun in .455 or .577 (basically a Martini Henry rifle round). - These custom handguns were used for defence against big game such as lions and tigers in the African bush, and were used as officer sidearms up to and during WW1. Their break action design was simple and reliable, and their double action design had a good rate of fire. They were somewhat slower compared to later revolver designs and fell out of favour, but their stopping power was practically unmatched at close range. The obvious downside is that the Lancaster only has 4 shots, and even with longer barrels, were meant only to be used at close ranges and were ineffective at longer distances.

 

Whitworth Rifle -

 

 

The only muzzle loader on this list. The Whitworth rifle is arguably the first sniper rifle ever made, and was produced in England in 1857. It used polygonal rifle and hexagonal machineed bullets, which allowed the bullets to fit the rifling without biting into the grooves of the barrel's rifling. In accuracy tests, this black powder rifle provided sub-MOA (minute of angle) accuracy (0.87) at 500 yards, and an MOA of 8.0 at 1,800 yards, able to hit targets out to 1,800 yards. This is something modern rifles struggle with today. About 120 rifles were imported to the Confederate States during the American cvil war, and were used to kill several Union generals, including John Sedgwick who was quoted berating his men for hiding from Confederate sniper fire from 800-1,000 yards saying "I'm ashamed of you, dodging that way. They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance!" before promptly falling over with a bullet hole under his left eye. On the 5th of December 1864, a Confederate sniper achieved what was at the time the world's longest range sniper kill at a range of 1.2 km or 1,390 yards. In-game the Whitworth would have the best range and accuracy of any of the snipers, but an abysmal reload speed to compensate.

 

Spencer 1882 shotgun -

 

The Roper-Spencer 1882 pump action was the first commercially successful pump action shotgun, featuring a 5 round internal magazine tube and a top ejection. With offerings in 12 or 10 gauge, it seems fitting to include the 10 gauge variant to offer higher damage than the existing shotguns, with a cost of fire rate and recoil. Spencer was also the man behind the Carbine Repeater (Spencer Repeater irl), and Roper was an important figure in early automobile development. He would die in 1896 at the age of 72, riding a steam powered velocipede (what a way to go!)

 

Marlin 1898 Shotgun -

 

Technical information on the Marlin 1898 is difficult to come by, but it was a takedown shotgun in 12 gauge that had various design issues leading it to be dubbed the "Widow maker". Its inclusion is mostly for more shotgun variety.

 

Gasser M1870 -

 

The M1870 is a 6 round double action revolver from the Austro-Hungarian Empire. It is arguably one of the largest caliber revolvers ever adopted by an army, firing the very heavy hitting 11.3×36mmR cartridge. Its double action was extraordinary for its time, however has a very heavy trigger pull, which would reduce its rate of fire in game. Besides this, the M1870 was huge, at 1.3kg and a length of 610mm, making it somewhat unwieldy and slow to handle. Rounds are manually ejected and loaded via ramrod and loading gate, making it a slow and cumbersome gun to use.

 

Apache revolver -

 

The Apache revolver is a unique design in that it doubles as a melee weapon. The 6 round, double action pinfire revolver originated in France in 1860, designed by Louis Dolne. It fires the somewhat anaemic .27 caliber round, and features no barrel or sights, making the revolver useless outside of extremely close quarters. In close quarters however, the weapon can double as knuckle dusters or even a trench knife style blade, as the Apache has a fold out bayonet. The Apache could be used as a panic type weapon, with powerful spammable melee attacks, and able to change modes similar to the LeMat with a button press. This is balanced by not being able to hit anything outside of grabbing distance.

 

Merwin & Hulbert Revolver -

 

Arguably the best cartridge revolvers of the old west, the Merwin & Hulbert range of Army and Frontier model revolvers were expertly crafted. They featured a break-out cylinder for unloading cartridges, and a loading gate for loading new rounds, which was just as fast as any break action revolver of the day. They were chambered first in their proprietary. 44 cartridge, roughly comparable to .44 Russian, before joining the .44-40 train. They were supremely reliable and accurate, and were offered in both full and pocket length, with both single and double action versions produced. The Marlin & Hulbert would be a direct competitor to the Schofield, and clash with the LeMat for best revolver, being extremely well rounded. The break-out action allowed for spent cartridges to be ejected automatically, while retaining cartridges not yet fired, improving reload speeds.

 

Colt Lightning Rifle -

 

A slide action rifle chambered in .44-40, similar to the Varmint rifle's mechanism, but in a much more potent caliber. The Colt Lightning was, as its name suggests, designed to be very fast firing. It was however not found to be as reliable as the lever actions of the day, and did not see much commercial success. It would still be an interesting addition however, with 14 rounds, it could compete with the Lancaster in terms of speed and damage.

 

Rast & Gasser M1898 -

 

The M1898 is another Austro-Hungarian revolver, but this time chambered in the more sensible 8mm cartridge. The M1898 was a well designed and manufactured double action revolver, with a reliable action and steady fire rate. It could be considered a direct upgrade of the Double Action revolver already in game, though with a slower reload due to the lack of a swing out cylinder, having to manually eject and load each round.

 

Bergmann M1897 -

 

The Bergmann is an interesting 19th century self loading pistol, designed by Louis Schmeisser The initial 1896 model featured a 5 round internal magazine, but this would be upgraded in the 1897 model to a 10 round detachable magazine. Its 7.8mm cartridge was not exceptionally powerful and would feature lower damage than other pistols, but would be the highest capacity self loading pistol in the game. Only 1,000 Model 1896/7 Bergmanns were produced before manufacturing ceased, as the C96 took over the market for semi automatic pistols. Schmeisser himself would however go on to design the MP18 submachine gun, the first of its kind, revolutionising small arms of the 20th century.

 

4 Bore rifle -

 

A double barrel black powder elephant gun firing a huge cartridge for stopping African big game. The rifles weighed 20lbs (double the weight of a rolling block rifle) and had about 7,000 foot lbs of energy out of the muzzle, approximately 3x the recoil of a 12 gauge slug. To put it into perspective, this is a 4 bore cartridge compared to a large caliber spitzer: 

 

 

These rifles wouldn't be able to be fired from horseback, would have insane bloom, slow reload and uncontrollable recoil. You would also only be able to carry a few rounds, due to the immense size of the ammunition. I was thinking somewhere between 8 and 12 rounds.

 

And that's it for now! Let me know your thoughts and what you'd like to see added to the game in the future.

Edited August 8, 2019 by kieraboom

[Veleno]

 

 

please. as soon as possible.

[kieraboom]

24 minutes ago, ChaosUndead said:

 

 

please. as soon as possible.

Good choice! I know it technically wasn't used til 1903, a few years after RDR2 is set, but neither was the semi auto shotgun so I could see it being added.

[ThaBirdCoot]

No doubt, new weapons will be added along the road and there's a few candidates here on this list. But mainly this game needs content now and more fun and engaging activities to make it feel less stale. Just some different pixels on a rifle and all the cosmetic stuff eventually won't cut it. 

 

 

[kieraboom]

On 8/12/2019 at 4:21 PM, ThaBirdCoot said:

No doubt, new weapons will be added along the road and there's a few candidates here on this list. But mainly this game needs content now and more fun and engaging activities to make it feel less stale. Just some different pixels on a rifle and all the cosmetic stuff eventually won't cut it. 

 

 

Agreed. The weapons would add a very interesting dynamic as they all function differently, but the game needs more immersive and enjoyable playable content first and foremost. 

[berzelmayr]

see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weapons_of_the_Spanish–American_War

[Neoconshooter]

While the post with the list of wish I had a... was very nicely done with nice pictures ect, It had some glaring mistakes. The first picture shows a Winchester lever action carbine, not a rifle and might have held 9 rounds of 44-40! To hold 9 rounds of 30-30 would require the barrel to be 30" long! With those specs, it was a heavy rifle and did not kick very hard. A Carbine in 30-30 kicks like a mule! More so with the old straight line stock. As to ranges of old guns and ALL pistols, it is entirely dependent on the shooter and has almost absolutely NOTHING to do with the gun! I have hit reactive "F" targets with both a .22 and .45 ACP pistols at 200 meters range! In front of witnesses! Effective range of the typical 9 mm semi-automatic pistol in the hands of trained police officers is about 2 METERS! ( Range at which they get 50% hits in a gun fight!) But in the hands of a NRA "Distinguished Expert" with the right training, head shots are the norm with out aiming by point shooting to about 6-16 Meters! With 2-4 seconds of careful aim, head shots with a better quality pistol at 100 Meters are a nearly sure thing! ( 97% of the time.) Quick-Point shooting at whole body running targets at that range are also almost a sure thing. SKILL is EVERYTHING!

The assessment of the other guns is also mostly off. It's recoil and crappy ergonomics that disrupts your speed, not heavy trigger pull. PS, I own some of the guns in this post. Remington Rolling Block, lever action repeaters 2-3, Savage Model 99, re-chambered in .308/7.62X51 NATO from .300 Savage. Talk about lever gun accuracy! A Rem Sendaro in .300 RUM that likes Berger Hybrid 185s and 190s, three M-14s, two AR-10/LR308s, 3-4 Poodle shooters, three 11-87s and a Sportsman, A Black powder Musket, a "Quigley" clone from Pedersoli? and more than 40 other guns. Most of which only get shot occasionally. But I belong to the best gun club with-in 100 miles and I shoot my .22 and .45 pistols 2-500 rounds every Wednesday and some times my 11-87, or one or two of the rifles out back on the 500 Meter range! You see, I know shooting is a perishable skill and I take it very seriously.

[DrKrankenstein]

the deringer, could be a fine addition:

 

 

Way back in 1852, John Deringer (one “r”) came up with the idea for a small, easily-concealed pistol with a large bore that could be conveniently carried in the outer pocket of a gentleman’s coat.

[Sceldoni]

What we need is at the very least a colt navy.

 

when i started playing the solo game, i thought it was sad but reasonable not to include black powder revolver in game because of the reloading time,

but now that the le mat made it...

 

where is my colt navy?!?

[Commander S]

If R* ever adds a Mk I Webley, that's an insta-buy for me:

 

 

 

On top of that, I wouldn't mind some additional customisation options, too - proper glossy blued steel (with a more accurate colour than the current version) would be nice, and I'd do unspeakable things to get hard rubber textured grips added:

 

[FuturePastNow]

I want a rifle with a bayonet. Stab 'em if they get too close.

[Magic1765]

I want a .22 revolver so I can actually hunt without switching ammo type/weapons every 3rd animal this would be ideal for a 8 round revolver so you could carry it, a repeater and a rifle one gun for all animal classes

[éX-Driver]

•Pistols

Bergmann 1897

Colt 1900

Harper’s Ferry flintlock

Lancaster Howdah

Luger

Queen Anne pistol

Remington model 95

Sharps .22 derringer

 

•Revolvers

Colt Buntline

Frontier Bulldog

Kerr’s revolver

Merwin Hulbert pocket army 

Remington 1858

Remington 1875

S&W Army model 2

S&W model 1 .22

S&W Safety Hammerless

Savage 1861

Starr double action

Webley

Webley-Fosbery auto

 

•Repeaters

Browning harmonica rifle

Colt 1855 carbine

Colt Lightning carbine

Remington Model 8

Winchester 1894 Mare’s Leg

 

•Rifles

4 bore double rifle

Brown Bess

Burnside carbine

Enfield 1853

Hawken rifle

Karabiner 98A

Lee-Enfield

Lee Navy 1895

Mondragon 1894

Savage Model 99

Sharps 1874

Vetterli 1878

Whitworth rifle

Winchester 1886

Winchester 1895

Winchester Highwall

 

•Shotguns

Berdan II conversion

Blunderbuss

Browning Superposed

Springfield 1881 Forager

Winchester 1887 Mare’s Leg

 

•Melee

Ballhead warclub

Gunstock warclub

Hopi rabbit stick

Brass knuckles

M1832 foot artillery sword

M1860 light cavalry sabre

Bayonet for all rifles

Caltrops

[1898]

On 8/8/2019 at 11:05 AM, ChaosUndead said:

 

please. as soon as possible.

 

On 8/8/2019 at 11:31 AM, kieraboom said:

Good choice! I know it technically wasn't used til 1903, a few years after RDR2 is set, but neither was the semi auto shotgun so I could see it being added.

If they do they need to dial it WAY back from what it was in RDR1.  That thing was like a hand-held bolt action rifle.  Not at all realistic.

Edited May 26, 2020 by 1898

[DentureDynamite]

3 hours ago, éX-Driver said:

Caltrops

Love this one! I'd pay some serious gold for it if it was enough to take down one or more lawmen (on horseback -or- foot)!

 

Would likely be most useful only in narrow pathways/stairs, etc. though.

[Grizzy]

There's an advertisement for a rifle thats not in the game at the Annesburg gunsmith above the bows. I think it's called the Muhlberg Elephant Gun? Spelling might be off on that lol but yeah, it's based off the Sharps rifle shown above. 

Edited May 31, 2020 by Grizzy

[Rev. Gnash]

 

 

 

 

Fingers crossed

 

 

Edited November 5, 2020 by Rev. Gnash

[RyuNova]

Not sure about the year but its close as they made alot of revisions over a long period.

 

Would love to see some English guns added.

 

Also this...

 

But I would make it have new animations, you would fire it with two hands because it had insane kickback. It would work like the Elephant Rifle where it staggers you if you fire it while moving but it would have max damage.

Edited October 15, 2020 by RyuNova

[DentureDynamite]

On 5/30/2020 at 6:51 AM, Grizzy said:

There's an advertisement for a rifle thats not in the game at the Annesburg gunsmith above the bows. I think it's called the Muhlberg Elephant Gun? Spelling might be off on that lol but yeah, it's based off the Sharps rifle shown above. 

Hopefully it's not a trolling from R* like some of the weapons on the wall at Ammu-nation in GTA Online. *sigh*

 

R.I.P. Assault M.G., Programmable A.R., etc.

[IamCourtney]

Pretty accurate predictions from the OP regarding the elephant rifle, aside from the fact that we can fire it from horseback.

[TCA]

M1899 from SP please

[fryday]

Maxim gun please. 

Could bei mounted on a Wagon. 

 

No Problem with OP because it Just has free aim....

[RyuNova]

3 hours ago, fryday said:

Maxim gun please. 

 

 

Said this before, you buy it and then select it from your "Online Menu", its delivered to the closest Train Station for you pick up. You carry it on your shoulder, press X (Square) to drop it and press and hold the button to set it up, this would play an animation of you spreading out the feet, connecting the ammo case and arming the gun and then you can use it like a normal Maxim Gun position. 

When "using" the gun you can press and hold X (Square) and you will fold up the gun and carry it on your shoulder. You can also store it on the back of your horse as well.

Edited October 23, 2020 by RyuNova

[*Lola]

On 8/8/2019 at 6:43 AM, kieraboom said:

RDR2 Online Gun Wishlist

It'll be my only gold gun in the game, if we get it.

If R* adds any gun like it, it has to have a similar explosive result.

That explosive ammo we have now is sh*t.

 

[ZachMFKAttack]

For weapons. It's custom options I want.

 

Such as more options for the knife. Would so make it look like the civil war knife in game (which in itself is cool, but the fact it's rusty and dirty, you can't clean it, kinda ruins it for me). Just the option to put a D shaped guard on the knife

 

Would love to be able to change the barrel lengths of the rifles and repeaters. Specifically the Springfield and Bolt Action, (aka Krag jorgensen rifle)

Like the Bolt action into a Carbine rifle.

And the Springfield into a full length rifle.

Love the bolt action, but badly wish I could shorten the barrel length to carbine size.https://images.app.goo.gl/x6QvLDbXYYktJVndA

 

Also saw that someone did mention the 1878 frontier double action. That I would totally wanna see

Edited November 6, 2020 by ZachMFKAttack

[RyuNova]

On 10/23/2020 at 3:25 AM, TCA said:

M1899 from SP please

 

I have a feeling the M1899 will be a Christmas present from R* for everyone. They normally like to drop stuff on players that f*ck up the balance and give new players something OP. Giving new players something that is arguably the best handgun in the game for free and looks like a modern gun is a good way to close the gap between them and old players. 

[darkmaster234]

3 hours ago, RyuNova said:

 

I have a feeling the M1899 will be a Christmas present from R* for everyone. They normally like to drop stuff on players that f*ck up the balance and give new players something OP. Giving new players something that is arguably the best handgun in the game for free and looks like a modern gun is a good way to close the gap between them and old players. 

Its is really that better in comparison to the mauser or semi auto ?

[RyuNova]

7 minutes ago, darkmaster234 said:

Its is really that better in comparison to the mauser or semi auto ?

 

I think (only think mind you) that it has slightly higher stats than both when fully "mastered". The point being that it would be given away for free to all players including those that have just started the game giving them a fast firing powerful pistol with quick reload immediately.

[Dark Spark]

The Walch revolvers with the stacked chamber setup would be quite a novelty.

 

[DentureDynamite]

On 11/6/2020 at 4:44 AM, RyuNova said:

 

I have a feeling the M1899 will be a Christmas present from R* for everyone. They normally like to drop stuff on players that f*ck up the balance and give new players something OP. Giving new players something that is arguably the best handgun in the game for free and looks like a modern gun is a good way to close the gap between them and old players. 

I admire your optimism, but I seriously doubt it will be free. Along with a new Outlaw Pass, R* is going to want to absorb as much player money and gold as possible.

 

That said, like GTA Online at Christmas, we do usually get free "stocking stuffers" like tonics, cooked meat, maybe some fire bottles, bolas, etc.