Testing different Inside Track (horse racing) betting strategies

[gtmike]

Just tried a few horse races. I could back out and change the odds just like before, horse 1 won 3 out of 4 races, and you can still make easy money with a simple exploit.

 

Stack some chips while you can or waste a bunch of time grinding Rockstars carnival games.... your choice 

[suicidal_banana]

People are just all worked up because they dont understand R* simply put in a quick-and-dirty fix to prevent sever spam, everybody requesting 30 new races a minute (trying to get good odds) wasnt helping with the lag we got from all the returning players, nobody got a ban from the game or the casino, only a very temporary block to try prevent server spam, a simple restart of the game (or some say even switching sessions) is enough to lift any block you may have gotten yourself, as much as some would like to believe so, R* is not 'making it harder to win', they are just trying to prevent their whole server infrastructure from collapsing.

On top of that its quite obvious that they do NOT currently realize the mayor flaw with the betting amount of the horse races, if they would it would've been patched already, did you people not notice the many things patched since Casino DLC launch? If you're even remotely interested in glitches you will know what i mean, if not, know that they already patched like 15 or so, they are way more active on resolving them in this DLC then with those that came before, so the fact the horse track is still open is plenty of proof they are currently none the wiser, make use of it while you can i'd say.

[CMCSAVAGE]

4 hours ago, suicidal_banana said:

On top of that its quite obvious that they do NOT currently realize the mayor flaw with the betting amount of the horse races, if they would it would've been patched already

So they only were aware of the backing out to reset the field and people running script for countless hours, but have no idea that you can make tens or hundreds of thousands of chips from a minimum $200 bet? LOL, 

 

You act like no one from R* reads the same forums or watches the same YouTube channels as everyone else. How do think they find out about this stuff? 

 

I can only assume that it's not an easy fix, otherwise it wouldn't have gone on this long. Short of shutting down the horse racing, which wouldn't have been fair to legit players, the only other option is to let it go until they find a fix.

 

 

[Gridl0k]

It occurred to me there is probably a special GAMBLING GLITCH TASK FORCE* within rockstar, some of this sh*t was patched toot suite. I wonder when the code freeze was for that 300mb post-patch.

 

*waves*

 

* Hopefully, "the GGs"

Edited August 5, 2019 by Gridl0k

[Mdc]

4 hours ago, suicidal_banana said:

People are just all worked up because they dont understand R* simply put in a quick-and-dirty fix to prevent sever spam, everybody requesting 30 new races a minute (trying to get good odds) wasnt helping with the lag we got from all the returning players, nobody got a ban from the game or the casino, only a very temporary block to try prevent server spam, a simple restart of the game (or some say even switching sessions) is enough to lift any block you may have gotten yourself, as much as some would like to believe so, R* is not 'making it harder to win', they are just trying to prevent their whole server infrastructure from collapsing.

On top of that its quite obvious that they do NOT currently realize the mayor flaw with the betting amount of the horse races, if they would it would've been patched already, did you people not notice the many things patched since Casino DLC launch? If you're even remotely interested in glitches you will know what i mean, if not, know that they already patched like 15 or so, they are way more active on resolving them in this DLC then with those that came before, so the fact the horse track is still open is plenty of proof they are currently none the wiser, make use of it while you can i'd say.

 

You have any proof of this? For one they did try and patch the minimum bet glitch before the weekend. Just a workaround was quickly found and remains unpatched.

 

Second i see no evidence of the game connecting to the server each time to get the odds on the single event at least. That would be dumb. So no server spam issue there. It doesn't even autosave after winning a race. If you dashboard you lose the win. You can't believe they run every single horse race through the servers?

 

BTW the reason the block is only temporary is likely cos they did it quick and dirty like you said. No chance to add a stat like is player casino blocked=1. Until they do that there's no way to save the block. Give em time lol

Edited August 5, 2019 by Mdc

[suicidal_banana]

49 minutes ago, Mdc said:

You have any proof of this?

No just educated guesses based on working in big companies as a programmer.

 

52 minutes ago, Mdc said:

Just a workaround was quickly found and remains unpatched.

Thats just it, i have the strong hunch they are currently not aware of the work around, the first tricks got posted 'en-masse' across social media, so obviously R* picked up on that, but now most people appear to be trying to keep the latest trick somewhat hidden until they've filled up their penthouse office safe  

 

49 minutes ago, Mdc said:

You can't believe they run every single horse race through the servers?

Honestly im not sure about the horse races, but like 95% sure about everything else, didnt you notice laggy dealers and stuff? dealers swapping out mid game, etc? and how would they make a table of blackjack or whatever the same for all players if it wasnt run on the server side?? I highly doubt that whoever sits down first starts a new P2P session for that table and anybody that joins is playing off of the PC of the first guy that sat down? (because that would throw the doors wide open for cheaters)

 

Obviously i dont have any info from inside of R* but i still stand by my assumptions, they did a quick and dirty fix, and while im like 90% sure they see something is going on with people somehow winning big from horse races, they likely dont realize that their quick and dirty fix didnt fix anything at all.

[Mdc]

1 hour ago, suicidal_banana said:

No just educated guesses based on working in big companies as a programmer.

 

Thats just it, i have the strong hunch they are currently not aware of the work around, the first tricks got posted 'en-masse' across social media, so obviously R* picked up on that, but now most people appear to be trying to keep the latest trick somewhat hidden until they've filled up their penthouse office safe  

 

Honestly im not sure about the horse races, but like 95% sure about everything else, didnt you notice laggy dealers and stuff? dealers swapping out mid game, etc? and how would they make a table of blackjack or whatever the same for all players if it wasnt run on the server side?? I highly doubt that whoever sits down first starts a new P2P session for that table and anybody that joins is playing off of the PC of the first guy that sat down? (because that would throw the doors wide open for cheaters)

 

Obviously i dont have any info from inside of R* but i still stand by my assumptions, they did a quick and dirty fix, and while im like 90% sure they see something is going on with people somehow winning big from horse races, they likely dont realize that their quick and dirty fix didnt fix anything at all.

 

The whole game is run on p2p as far as I'm aware. The cloud servers are just there to keep track of stats and purchases etc. If the dealers lag, its the same lag as you have in a session with random npc cars spawning in front of you. Means you have a poor connection to the other players in the session that's all.

 

If you have a look at the connections with a packet sniffer you'll see just how little traffic there is between the take2 servers and a client.

 

Its no different to orbital cannon glitch. Someone fires it and their client tells everyone they obliterated so and so. They leave before their client tells take2 servers they spent the 750k and that's simply the glitch. The whole game is wide open to modding on the pc because of this. Every client in the session is already in communication with each other so I don't see why it's hard for the blackjack table to sync without the server being involved.

[CMCSAVAGE]

1 hour ago, Mdc said:

 For one they did try and patch the minimum bet glitch before the weekend. Just a workaround was quickly found and remains unpatched.

 

46 minutes ago, suicidal_banana said:

they are currently not aware of the work around, the first tricks got posted 'en-masse' across social media, so obviously R* picked up on that, but now most people appear to be trying to keep the latest trick somewhat hidden 

What workaround? There was nothing to workaround. The glitch works the same way now as it did 6 days ago. 

[Mdc]

15 minutes ago, CMCSAVAGE said:

 

What workaround? There was nothing to workaround. The glitch works the same way now as it did 6 days ago. 

The original glitch was pressing up on then dpad after holding A on start race and spending 100 chips. The workaround is hitting increase bet and spending 200 then down on the dpad. The original always was a little more tricky to pull off however so maybe not patched just people can't hit it? 

Edited August 5, 2019 by Mdc

[gtmike]

Ugh so much nonsense in this thread...

 

The odds haven't been messed with, these strategies still work great.

 

They work even better if you use the exploit, which hasn't been patched at all, and which Rockstar is definitely aware of.

 

I have been resetting the odds with no problems, but you may get hit with a temporary gambling ban if you use a macro or spam buttons too fast while using the horse racing machines.

 

 

[CMCSAVAGE]

3 hours ago, gtmike said:

Ugh so much nonsense in this thread...

The odds haven't been messed with

Well you know how that goes. It takes one person to say it, several to believe it, and the next thing you know, it's becomes fact lol.

 

[Gridl0k]

Still no master spreadsheet tracking wins huh

 

It has changed, but it's still far more profitable than anything you'd find at a real casino (apart from maybe car park muggings).

[Aznknight]

26 minutes ago, Gridl0k said:

Still no master spreadsheet tracking wins huh

 

It has changed, but it's still far more profitable than anything you'd find at a real casino (apart from maybe car park muggings).

Certain horses win at a higher rate against other horses.

It's as if Horse A will always win if it's in position 6 and Position 1 and 2 are not filled by Horse B and C who always wins at those spots.

Also, to maintain the 50% odds of #1 winning, many evens odd horses pop up a lot more at that position.

[Gridl0k]

Fun posted something interesting that was largely expected but (mostly) rules out the above sort of logic system, fwiw.

 

 

I'm keeping my system to myself but if you keep a tally of winning horse number you should spot something interesting over time.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Gridl0k

[HopalongCasidy]

Have you people cleared 10 million in winnings from horse racing? I have played around with it, but prefer blackjack.  

[Lubas]

1 hour ago, HopalongCasidy said:

Have you people cleared 10 million in winnings from horse racing? I have played around with it, but prefer blackjack.  

 

Do you just play blackjack normally or is there any certain trick / glitch you are using?

[Gridl0k]

1 hour ago, HopalongCasidy said:

Have you people cleared 10 million in winnings from horse racing? I have played around with it, but prefer blackjack.  

I did, but spent a chunk on art, and forgot the First Rule of GTAO Money Making;

 

Rinse the absolute f*ck out of whatever you've got going until you have more money than you could ever spend, or they patch it.

 

It's really quite a good capitalism sim in that way. I have 8.8 in the bank now, which is nice.

 

I mean, I did grind it for about 15h on a second TV. but I could have gone twice as far.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Gridl0k

[AUScowboy]

On 8/4/2019 at 9:15 PM, CMCSAVAGE said:

Horse #1 will still win 40 - 50% of the time, regardless of the odds. As long as you're not stupid enough to run script or re-roll the field you can still make a chunk of change. 

 

Certainly not a get rich fast method, but you damn sure won't lose money. The long-shots are where the money is at. If you've studied the field, certain horses have a high percentage of winning.

I don't even bet horses, I'm talking about blackjack, poker and roulette. Those have been nerfed at LEAST twice now.. during the first 5 days of release the dealer still got way too many 21s, but now they hit blackjack every 3-5 hands.

Edited August 6, 2019 by AUScowboy

[Gridl0k]

Roulette is just a fancy slot, totally uninteresting to me.

[AUScowboy]

I'll occasionally bet the 3 to 1 on roulette, but that's only when I don't mind losing a bit and have a bit extra to lose.

[Gridl0k]

Well I chuck max bet on a number if I'm passing by but that's only because I'm rich. f*ck all return so far

[jargonaut]

I dropped to 190k chips on Thursday after I bought all the new items at the casino shop, but since then gambling has been good. I'm currently at a bit over 10m. I've mostly played bj and poker. No glitching or cheating. 

 

Edit: Argh, forgot to mention that I have also bought the hourly 50k chips here and there when I've remembered this week, but I would say 1.5-2.0m max, so profit has been good.

Edited August 6, 2019 by jargonaut

[Acky.]

• I avoid slots at all costs.

 

• Play a rare poker game because there’s a slim chance you’ll win.

 

• Blackjack every now and then but the RNG is so biased you find yourself getting 16, sticking and the dealer constantly getting 19-21.

 

• I put Even & Red on Roulette for a slow but gradual profit.

 

• Inside Track is ridiculously easy to win money, some horses keep their tendencies throughout races, I.E: 3rd/4th favourite “Clapback Charlie” making a late surge to win in majority of races.

[GTK0HLK]

time to make that metal dry erase board and marker do some work then.., and grind agatha for all she's worth I guess..,(if she was a horse I'd bet on her, even if I lose.., jk.., rip)

[mareepx]

4 hours ago, GTK0HLK said:

time to make that metal dry erase board and marker do some work then.., and grind agatha for all she's worth I guess..,(if she was a horse I'd bet on her, even if I lose.., jk.., rip)

Grinding Agatha sounds like a plan I can get behind

[gtmike]

9 hours ago, Gridl0k said:

It has changed, but it's still far more profitable than anything you'd find at a real casino (apart from maybe car park muggings).

Well that`s all the proof I need lol Give me a break, it`s been the exact same game since the casino opened. The only thing that`s changed is your perception or your luck.

 

They added an anti macro punishment and that`s it.

 

9 hours ago, Aznknight said:

Certain horses win at a higher rate against other horses.

Yeah horse one. It wins the most.

[Aznknight]

53 minutes ago, gtmike said:

Well that`s all the proof I need lol Give me a break, it`s been the exact same game since the casino opened. The only thing that`s changed is your perception or your luck.

 

They added an anti macro punishment and that`s it.

 

Yeah horse one. It wins the most.

 

Yes. I mentioned that Horse #1 wins at near 50% and when you back out, the odds that you backed out of counts as either a win or loss already so you can essentially back out of 100 #1 horse wins in 200 runs then you're looking at a really skewed statistic.

 

So yes. Dont back out just always pick #1. They now increased the amount of evens odds to win to make you less money

 

[Geisterfaust]

As a matter of fact I think that inside track was designed to be like that, since we've had similar experience with the horses in SA. Either R* can't code anything different or it's not a bug, but a feature.

On 8/5/2019 at 10:23 AM, suicidal_banana said:

People are just all worked up because they dont understand R* simply put in a quick-and-dirty fix to prevent sever spam, everybody requesting 30 new races a minute (trying to get good odds) wasnt helping with the lag we got from all the returning players,

Casino is lagging on the most powerful machines even if nobody in the session is playing horses. It's just messy crap, that's all.

[CMCSAVAGE]

1 hour ago, Aznknight said:

when you back out, the odds that you backed out of counts as either a win or loss already so you can essentially back out of 100 #1 horse wins in 200 runs then you're looking at a really skewed statistic.

Dont back out just always pick #1. They now increased the amount of evens odds to win to make you less money

How do you come up with this "theory"? There is no win or loss if the race was never ran. And nothing was increased. The chance of getting evens is the same as it always was. (If you're not resetting the field of course).

 

I just did 30 races. Horse #1 won 5 the first ten, and only 2 the second ten, and 3 the last 10. So overall a 33.33% 

 

*I didn't post this right away, but I just did another 20 or so races. I didn't bother to keep track of horse #1 (although it certainly didn't win anywhere near 40%), but what was highly unusual, is that horse #6 didn't win one race. I used to hit on that quite frequently.

[Aznknight]

3 hours ago, CMCSAVAGE said:

How do you come up with this "theory"? There is no win or loss if the race was never ran. And nothing was increased. The chance of getting evens is the same as it always was. (If you're not resetting the field of course).

 

I just did 30 races. Horse #1 won 5 the first ten, and only 2 the second ten, and 3 the last 10. So overall a 33.33% 

 

*I didn't post this right away, but I just did another 20 or so races. I didn't bother to keep track of horse #1 (although it certainly didn't win anywhere near 40%), but what was highly unusual, is that horse #6 didn't win one race. I used to hit on that quite frequently.

 

I have written down every horse race I've done and have over 1000 recorded statistic. It's not a flex. It's not a theory.

It changed after a week when a bunch of clowns started to back out of every race that had the favourite at evens or 2/1.

 

Check the replies on here and the progression of the statistics that R* started to tweak.

 

It's all on this thread