Re-using LS and LC for GTA VI

[SherifWayne]

I remember a few months ago there was a 'leak' that suggested 6 would feature Liberty City, Los Santos, and Vice City. I don't believe the leak, but it did get me thinking; what if they reused IV's Liberty City and V's Los Santos (Provided they updated them enough to reflect the passage of time, remodelled areas of the map border to connect them by a large countryside (Remodel V's north coast, remove alderney's coast and incorporate it into a mainland) The two biggest influences on American culture are NYC and LA, Miami in the 80s, sure, but modern miami just doesn't seem relevant enough to be the standalone location of the next game. (Yes I am aware it is not as easy as reusing LC and LS and it would need years of development to get them up to modern standards and compatibility with the newest version of RAGE) I think this way Rockstar saves resources by only having to recreate Vice City from scratch, and we get as close as is realistic to a GTA:USA. Gta 4 was a masterpiece with what I honestly feel is the most realistic city ever created for a video game. Being able to revisit Liberty City through clear eyes, instead of the laggy ps3, 360 or poorly made PC port would be breathtaking. Not to mention the idea of driving coast to coast and seeing the change in cultures. What do you guys think? 

[[Ambient]]

Please don't. Don't reuse the same cities again. Give us a completely new location instead.

[StrafeFTW]

6 hours ago, TheerT said:

Please don't. Don't reuse the same cities again. Give us a completely new location instead.

I agree we need Vice City with new cities and not a same location they did with IV and V.. 

[SMC TBane]

Why not both? New citie's and remade HD cities?

[B_E_N_1992]

Hopefully they will pull a RDR2 and the main story will be in VC..

 

..then after the story you can fully explore LC, LS, SF and LV.

 

Maybe they will add other smaller cities in between.

 

These cities would be used for online for many years of free content.

[monochrome_infinity]

I actually wouldn't mind that. LS/LC/VC is the most believable leak imo, mostly because Rockstar already tried something similar with Red Dead 2. It's the first time they literally copy and pasted an old map and updated it with new graphics (as far as I can remember).

 

Having all three cities would provide the most variety of any GTA game. The glamour of Los Santos, the deserts, mountains. The neon streets of Vice City, plus swamps and the everglades. Possibly a snowy version of Liberty City surrounded by New York countryside. I think they could do a lot with this concept.

[DexMacLeod]

I'd be fine with them reusing old places if they significantly added to them. Fleshing out Alderney in addition to a revamped Liberty City and adding the Pine Barrens and Atlantic City would be a good start. There's a lot they could add to Los Santos but I think it's way too soon to go back there unless it's literally just a half priced add-on to V and not a full on sequel.

 

I certainly don't want all of them on one map. At least not from the start. Turning GTA's America into just a handful of American cities seems, to me, like the worst thing they could do to the map. I think the best way to do it would be to focus on one region like they always do and then gradually expand with updates. 

[DOUGL4S1]

Maybe if it is a Vice/Liberty City Stories-type game, that takes place in those cities, but they were changed a bit from the main games they appear in. For example, if they did a game in Liberty City again that takes place in 2019/2020, they could add a parody of the New WTC, or The High Line.

 

I also wouldn't have trouble with that if we had new places to explore (like Staten Island, or just more interiors), revamped the city a bit and added more stuff to do.

[dyz]

Its funny because i just had a dream last night that GTA 6 will have LC and LS remastered with added countryside. Didnt even know there was a leak saying that 

[digi439]

los santos is possible rockstar did the same with rdr 2 i could see a character transfer  for the simple reason yes there is a strong chance the next game could  be set in the past via 1980s but the next online will be set in the present rockstar wont limit themselves by the time period  only real difference between la between now and the past is that building that has not been built for seven years loading screen takes care of that either way most of the dlc will be in the next game properties arena wars the new casino editor etc everything 

if not character transfer your profile is linked to rockstar via social club x box / ps profile anyway there will be a criminal enterprise starter pack for returning players to get them started 

[CrimsonFolo]

Just Los santos would be lazy but if it had other regions like las venturas and san fierro included then it could be good

[Big Fat Paulie]

I'd welcome it, depending on how they do it.

 

I'd love to see a return to Liberty City or Los Santos if it's a period piece (especially LC in the 70's) or if they expanded on the Liberty City setting by including more of Alderney along with The Carroways and maybe rural areas based on upstate New York. IIRC, aren't The Carroways the GTA version of Long Island?

 

Most of the more affluent suburbs of NYC are in Long Island, so it would fit.

 

I also remember they were going to include The Carroways in GTA IV but cut it out due to time constraints, which is why it's referenced in the game's dialogue but never actually shown.

 

but I would also welcome an HD Era city that hasn't been depicted in the 3D Era, such as Carcer City, since it has been referenced a lot and is somewhere in the Midwest, and we have yet to see Chicago or Detroit in GTA, even though both cities would be perfect for a GTA game.

 

I don't want Vice City, or at least not if it's set in the 80's. We already did that twice in the 3D Era.

[Lotte]

Here's a question: GTA IV is 16 GBs and GTA V, on release, was somewhere in the ballpark of 67 GBs. How much of that filesize is the map and vehicle data and how much of it is the story and cutscenes and whatever? Because I'd be okay with having them be around to mess around with online or whatever if they didnt increase the filesize significantly but if they're going effectively double the amount of data, then that's not going to be worth the added mass

[Max.pain]

1 hour ago, Lotte said:

Here's a question: GTA IV is 16 GBs and GTA V, on release, was somewhere in the ballpark of 67 GBs

actually on first relase gta 4 was 6-7gbs and gta 5 was 15-16

[EVOLUT7ON]

I would say that re-using LC and LS is possible in GTA 6 via DLC.
The software could handle it. Another question: are we gonna get 60 players lobby or we will stay at 30.

For example, let's say we'll get the game on PS4 first without old cities and GTA Online 2 with 30ppl per lobby.
A year later we'll get improved PS5 version with a big update containing LC, LS and 60ppl per lobby. R* will stop supporting PS4 ver. same as happened with PS3.

[GinsengElixir]

How realistic are multiple cities? Think people are mad for wanting them. One city, one or two towns and countryside is all I need. 

[Eternal Moonshine]

if they could pull off multiple cities in 2 years back in 2004 when they had far less resources, they can do it again. R* like to push things to the limits

[GRANDHEIST]

1 hour ago, GinsengElixir said:

How realistic are multiple cities? 

if they do re-use lets say Liberty City and if they keep HD era continuity, LC would look like it did in GTA 4

this would save a lot of time for them if the city layout is already done and they dont have design it from the ground up

 

so new city + LC could be possible

Edited August 2, 2019 by GRANDHEIST

[AndyGanteks]

They would probably add more interiors and make certain changes to the map or edges of the map if they are to be reused, like it was done with RDR 1 part of the map added to RDR 2. Certainly more than doable, we'll just have to wait and see if that's what they want of GTA 6.

[Gtaman_92]

I rather have a new city tbh.

[Zello]

10 hours ago, GinsengElixir said:

How realistic are multiple cities? 

For me it's how close they are irl. If they are close add them in if not don't.

 

The only exception is Vegas if it's a Mafia focused story. 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Zello

[GinsengElixir]

But from a technical perspective, how realistic is it for them to create 2 massive and detailed cities - it's not just a case of re-using either....They didn't re-use New Austin, they rebuilt it as far as I've read.

[DexMacLeod]

I think it's more than feasible for at least two cities. I think they could have pulled it off last gen if they hadn't gone into so much detail under the ocean. I think it really depends on what the cities are, though.

 

Two cities in the same region of the country would probably be more doable. If they do something like the Vice and Liberty City combo people seem to think is a possibility I think it'd be harder. Each city would have completely different NPCs walking around with completely different dialogue and at least a handful of radio stations unique to each. All that audio could create some massive file sizes.

 

They'd still have that problem to a degree with neighboring cities but they could get away with reusing a lot more in that situation. Either way, I shudder at the thought of how big AAA games are going to be next-gen. My digital purchases will likely drop significantly. 

[Dock]

I don't doubt there being a new city/map, but I do have some belief that we'll see LC and/or LS in the next game in some capacity, if not the whole map.

 

Personally, I'd prefer they make a more in-depth map with interiors and what not. That combined with a map that's something in the vein of how LC was would be incredible for both SP and Online imo.

 

Where's our new "deepthroatgta4" to give us a clue on what the map is going to be

[killahmatic]

On 7/30/2019 at 3:49 AM, SherifWayne said:

The two biggest influences on American culture are NYC and LA, Miami in the 80s, sure, but modern miami just doesn't seem relevant enough to be the standalone location of the next game. 

 

Influence on American culture doesn't matter in the slightest sense. GTAV had little to do with american culture, it was just a random, chaotic mess of a story with occasional references about Hollywood's shallowness. Miami is a beautiful city with a lot of crime and a lot of dirty money. That's as relevant as it can get. 

 

Honestly, I have to admit, I'm entirely exhausted of Los Santos and Liberty City. Frankly, I never want to return to those places again. I'm ready for a large, fully detailed Vice City. Us Vice City fans deserve it. We got to see Liberty City and Los Santos remade in great detail. Now it's our turn. 

[SherifWayne]

On 8/8/2019 at 4:33 AM, killahmatic said:

 

Influence on American culture doesn't matter in the slightest sense. GTAV had little to do with american culture, it was just a random, chaotic mess of a story with occasional references about Hollywood's shallowness. Miami is a beautiful city with a lot of crime and a lot of dirty money. That's as relevant as it can get. 

 

Honestly, I have to admit, I'm entirely exhausted of Los Santos and Liberty City. Frankly, I never want to return to those places again. I'm ready for a large, fully detailed Vice City. Us Vice City fans deserve it. We got to see Liberty City and Los Santos remade in great detail. Now it's our turn. 

Influence on american culture doesn't matter in the slightest sense does it? Huh that's weird considering that's exactly what Rockstar has consistently said the GTA franchise is about; a satirical imagining of America. Hence why they haven't brought the game out of the US since the 2d era. Miami has been done, it hasn't been culturally relevant since the 80s. All miami is today is pr0n, drugs and hillbillies f*cking and or killing their family members (and pets)

[Waingro]

It is far more logical that Rockstar would create a single city, and re-use Los Santos and Liberty City as additional/unlocked/extra locations, then have multiple new cities. Even areas like greater San Andreas are all based on lots of research and additional location scouting (Salton Sea, Santa Barbara, Malibu, etc). 

 

Rockstar spends a huge amount of time and money to properly research HD-era cities, including the hiring of location scouts, photographers, historians, prominent locals, as well as architects and city planners to consult on their environments - and that's just the planning phase to ensure an HD city is an accurate albeit condensed version of the location.

 

Los Santos/LA and Liberty City/NYC has not changed radically in ten years (other than finishing that unfinished skyscraper in Downtown LA, and many new skyscrapers in Dukes/Queens), and they can re-port for a next gen/online only version if they wish.

 

Having said all that, unless GTA 6 is set in the past, I would bet that San Fierro/Silicon Valley is their next "modern" HD city - from a satirizing standpoint. 

Edited August 19, 2019 by Waingro

[Eternal Moonshine]

LC and LS on a one map would make literally zero sense and it's not gonna happen for a long time. doesn't matter how much time it took to design those cities. in GTA 6 we're going somewhere new. it could be VC, LV or SF. most likely multiple cities because R* like to outdo themselves

[XXVIII]

Grand Theft Auto: VI has a need for more and outpacing the last few seconds of the passion, which it is all jacked up on that it burned. Even then..., Vinnie Ippolito acknowledges that ‘enough ain’t enough, ‘til each of my six pistons are stuffed with enough ambition for the solid state to drive every pixel into a state of pandemonium.’ Vinnie is hungover and a cloud no less than 9-inches wide is hanging over Grand Theft Auto, eating up more cloud so that the dream can have more ‘damn!’ for its cloud. 

 

What is up swimming in the skylights is coming crashing down on Pricedown and it is gassed up for square miles. Every blank space is a jackpot. And you know what? You cannot fault the luck of that lady for wanting to take a Go Route for a touchdown to a new game spot, who’s playing field has it own rear view towns with routes and counties that line interstates. Then, just as your tires start to really throttle that blacktop, like a blast screaming through a Chiraq attack and the motorists behind you feeling $3.12 of Citgo wading through his/her clear view... your eyes roll up on the start of a new name, across the same straightaway going through changes.      

 

The sign that looked good in your eyes that ran them down? It is not interstate, but ‘now entering (thank you Rockstar Games for spending ambition on my chance to drop some crazy in pixels, directing my owns ‘COPS’ or ‘World’s Wildest Police Videos’ show). But this new state, this new territory, has a bad attitude. ‘Grand Theft Auto: VI ain’t holdin’ your hand’, says Vinnie. ‘Does real life map you journey out for you, tellin’ you those dots are just bigger holes you’re gonna fall into? Nope, it’s on you. Everywhere is out there and you’re gettin’ only one chance before you hit zero. Life’s got a funny way with *uckin’ with you by getting faster when you get older. You may think you’re the best Adam there is, but that doesn’t give your hands the license to touch every Eve. One more thing. Keep your ego down, reputation clean and maybe your tombstone will write you off to peace for the right reasons.’ 

 

Grand Theft Auto: VI wants you to always stand toe-to-toe with reality and potentially meet the face of red lines torching the skin of the invisible, dragging ‘*uck everything!’ through an infested *hithole that calls itself progress, or to see the blood lines on a child that your tears just destroyed because Rockstar Games just let the experience rough your calm up. You’re looking at realism that already played out faster than the hot lines under your grip after you gave that steering column a good rip. 

 

Sad, heart-stopping, heart-shattering, heart-crushing? 

 

Thank u, next. Next in line to try and beat a dream/production/warrior of code of Rockstar Games that words will never beat. VI wins the competition against words.

 

Because those are the words that will try to throw down with any other thoughts that try to take the paper.

 

When Grand Theft Auto: VI is finished with you... it will never be finished with you. When the key penetrates the lock the right way, congratulations!  Forza just infiltrated GTA and juiced the polygons of every vehicle with TLC so that Midnight Club can make a scene along the live-action film that you can direct, edit and delete; but not those of your actions. Karma is watching you and will dynamically set fire to your bulls*it. If you want to try and 1-up your past *uck-ups, you will just keep falling in reverse, fighting fear with faith under siege.

 

This experience is so out-of-body and otherworldly, of another world and (4K Universe) that Rockstar Games, the powerhouse that put billions of miles on Grand Theft Auto: VI’s journey, would not be able to wrap their remarkable quest in any sentence enhancers, one way or the other. It is just that beautiful.

 

I now conclude this post, that of which I meticulously composed over a six-hour span, with some more Grand Theft Auto: VI slogans that took off from a thought. 

 

1. Grand Theft Auto: VI

 

    Who the *uck am I? Who the *uck have I become?

 

2. Grand Theft Auto: VI 

 

     *hit happens. *hit’s f*cked up. *hit’s real. 

 

3. Grand Theft Auto: VI 

 

    Pricedown. Politically incorrect. 

 

4. Grand Theft Auto: VI 

 

     F*ckin’ right they did. 

 

5. Grand Theft Auto: VI 

 

     Gun up or *uck off. 

 

6. Grand Theft Auto: VI 

 

    Rockstar’s big score, settled. 

 

7. Grand Theft Auto: VI 

 

    Can you hear us, now? Good.

Edited August 20, 2019 by XXVIII
I had to administer some corrections.

[Duhillestpunk]

Uh no. I would never ever want to return to Los Santos/ Blaine County ever again. The map was so boring to me. Go back to Liberty City? Sure why not? I’d love going there because LC was a really good recreation of New York. Not to trash V but it’s recreation of LA was ok. Nothing to party over.