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kidojanss

black jack are rigged?

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-LN-
21 minutes ago, LahTigre said:

I’ve generally played until I make a set amount for the day, then quit. I’ve always made my target, if it takes 20 mins or it takes 90. 

That's a good way to do it!

 

Also, it's kinda like that old song goes:

"You've got to know when to hold 'em

Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run"

 

That's aimed at poker, but can apply to anything when it comes to gambling. Casinos make their money on people's concept of, "oh, I'm winning or down, so I'll just play one more round", then it's never enough for some and they end up giving back all of their winnings or dig themselves even further into the hole.

 

8 hours ago, Aghakhi said:

I'm seeing some solid tips from @-LN-, people should read these posts and try them out before claiming it's rigged :)

Thank you for the kind words! 😊

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CaliMeatWagon
Posted (edited)

Let me ask you something. 
With how much this games code gets ripped apart by data miners, do you really think some shady casino practices would go unnoticed? 

Or is it a more likely event that the Casino games are chosen because they favor the house, like a real casino...

 

Nah, it must be that Rockstar is an evil, malicious company that wants to steal your soul and eat your first born. 

Edited by CaliMeatWagon

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Shadowfennekin
8 minutes ago, CaliMeatWagon said:

Let me ask you something. 
With how much this games code gets ripped apart by data miners, do you really think some shady casino practices would go unnoticed? 

Or is it a more likely event that the Casino games are chosen because they favor the house, like a real casino...

 

Nah, it must be that Rockstar is an evil, malicious company that wants to steal your soul and eat your first born. 

Nah, leakers won't say it cause they're too afraid C* will sue.

 

Guessed red 15 times, wanna guess how many times it landed on black? 15! It's rigged

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CaliMeatWagon
Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Shadowfennekin said:

Nah, leakers won't say it cause they're too afraid C* will sue.

 

Guessed red 15 times, wanna guess how many times it landed on black? 15! It's rigged

You dropped something:

Spoiler

See the source image

 

Out of curiosity:

  1. Do you understand how the laws of probability work?
  2. Do you know the probability of winning on a 00 table?
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RaigeGames

Now I'm just waiting for the inevitable "3 card poker is RIGGED!!!!!" thread to pop up...

 

As others have pointed out, blackjack in game is played with 4 decks (which is why you see duplicate cards as posted in the video) that are shuffled after every hand. This increases the likelihood of the dealer hitting a 20 or BJ significantly than if it was played with 6 decks without shuffling between every hand like you would see in a lot of real life casinos 

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cyrid
Posted (edited)

The ratios confirm that gta's blackjack is off from the norm by a considerable margin. The "dealer" lands a 20 nearly 50% more than it should. As someone that has written a blackjack app I was surprised  to see the house win 50% - 200% more so than what basic math allows depending on how many people are at the table. Very bad considering the odds are already in the favor of the house.

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CaliMeatWagon
Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, RaigeGames said:

Now I'm just waiting for the inevitable "3 card poker is RIGGED!!!!!" thread to pop up...

 

As others have pointed out, blackjack in game is played with 4 decks (which is why you see duplicate cards as posted in the video) that are shuffled after every hand. This increases the likelihood of the dealer hitting a 20 or BJ significantly than if it was played with 6 decks without shuffling between every hand like you would see in a lot of real life casinos 

One thing that doesn't help is it seems that the whole idea of gambling is not for YOU to make money, but the house. So if people are going in with the idea that they are going to strike it rich, then they are approaching the situation with a distorted perception of reality. 
The expectation of casinos that people should have is that they'll walk away maybe having a good time, but without a shirt on their back, or an extra kidney. 

Edited by CaliMeatWagon

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-LN-
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, cyrid said:

The ratios confirm that gta's blackjack is off from the norm by a considerable margin. The "dealer" lands a 20 nearly 50% more than it should. As someone that has written a blackjack app I was surprised  to see the house win 50% - 200% more so than what basic math allows depending on how many people are at the table. Very bad considering the odds are already in the favor of the house.

Just curious, but from where is this data found? How do you figure they draw 20 more than 50% of what they should? Is it simply based on limited personal experience from a few random sessions or does this encompass a wide range of stats compiled by many players over an extended period of time?

 

You really cannot draw conclusions on whether it's rigged or not based upon a few random rounds where the luck wasn't necessarily falling within ones favour. Each hand/draw is an independent endeavour; sure, statistically speaking, it may be X more likely for Y to happen a certain percentage of the time based upon calculated odds and the like, but as @RaigeGamespointed out, the cards (four decks) are shuffled after every hand, which granted is usually not the norm in certain casinos, but it does increase the likelihood of variance in this case; especially the fact that it's most definitely possible for the dealer or even the player to draw multiple 20s or 21s consecutively - especially if the sample size is being taken from just a random session or two and not from multiple documented sources and sessions that have been tested and observed over an extended period of time. If people aren't winning as they feel they should; they seem to want to adopt the concept that it's rigged or out to get them personally, but a bad outing or two at the tables cannot be used to prove this "theory".

 

It's like I said before, if it were all so easy, the casinos wouldn't be in business because it wouldn't take much for individuals to work the system to their advantage. Professional gambling is no easy task and even the best of the best run into situations where they run cold and lose hand after hand after hand. A non-professional or addicted gambler may start chasing their losses and be unwilling to stop until they've achieved their desired result, but that's the problem; they are not guaranteed to see these results, especially within such a short frame of time. That doesn't mean the system is rigged or against them personally; they're just on a cold streak and simply do not know how or when to cut their losses or switch gears. The house still has the advantage though and it's still gambling; you have to accept that risk every time you throw your money down on the table.

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CaliMeatWagon
8 minutes ago, -LN- said:

Math/Science

This^^
I think the problem comes down to the fact that people do not understand how probability works and they do not understand how things are supposed to be tested. 

I'm currently working on trying to come up with a recorded probability chance for single vehicles vs. loose crates for 2 vs. 3 crates at a time. Right now I I've filled up a large warehouse for each amount and I'm still not happen with the amount of data. For those interested it's something like ~60% for two crates and ~50% for 3. Blowing up loose crates cause a ~25% increase in cost for 2 crates and ~50% for 3. But I still need more data so the numbers aren't 100%. 

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mute!
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do you win more if other players at the table win along with you?

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OzakiLeona

Win 3 times in a row - I have a system !

Lose 3 times in a row - it's rigged !

Casino: just keep playing fools ..

 

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gunziness
Posted (edited)

Aside from the bitching from OP. People talk like this DLC would actually be accurate to RL casino games. I believe casinos IRL along with their machines and games in general follows and obey many strict pollicies and regulations in order to avoid rigged and shady game results from the casino.

Here? We dont even know how R* actually coded the games, and probably aren't under said regulations, so you can bet your ass the games are rigged. Its Rockstar after all.

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OzakiLeona
51 minutes ago, gunziness said:

Aside from the bitching from OP. People talk like this DLC would actually be accurate to RL casino games. I believe casinos IRL along with their machines and games in general follows and obey many strict pollicies and regulations in order to avoid rigged and shady game results from the casino.

Here? We dont even know how R* actually coded the games, and probably aren't under said regulations, so you can bet your ass the games are rigged. Its Rockstar after all.

Why would RS do that ? They are not making money of us loosing 50k per 48 minutes. They are making money of us playing the game and wanting to play it more.

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Aghakhi
2 hours ago, gunziness said:

Aside from the bitching from OP. People talk like this DLC would actually be accurate to RL casino games. I believe casinos IRL along with their machines and games in general follows and obey many strict pollicies and regulations in order to avoid rigged and shady game results from the casino.

Here? We dont even know how R* actually coded the games, and probably aren't under said regulations, so you can bet your ass the games are rigged. Its Rockstar after all.

 

1 hour ago, OzakiLeona said:

Why would RS do that ? They are not making money of us loosing 50k per 48 minutes. They are making money of us playing the game and wanting to play it more.

Not only that, we can't even use Shark Card money to acquire chips, and the games are completely unavailable in a considerable number of countries. Rockstar isn't making any money from the gambling aspect of this update, it's all down to the penthouse and the cars as these can be bought with Shark Cards.

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Spectre "2K"
1 hour ago, OzakiLeona said:

Why would RS do that ? They are not making money of us loosing 50k per 48 minutes. They are making money of us playing the game and wanting to play it more.

it's not about them making money in the end, it's about us not making money off of it

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OzakiLeona
20 minutes ago, Spectre "2K" said:

it's not about them making money in the end, it's about us not making money off of it

If the games are implemented true to real-world counterparts, and AFAIK they are, it's impossible for us to make money on them. There is no need to 'rig' the games any more. Only bad reputation can come out of that.

 

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Spectre "2K"
34 minutes ago, OzakiLeona said:

If the games are implemented true to real-world counterparts, and AFAIK they are, it's impossible for us to make money on them. There is no need to 'rig' the games any more. Only bad reputation can come out of that.

 

i don't mean real world money, they just don't want us profiting because then it would be yet another way to make their only life support of the game redundant. Granted they have to give out a bone here and there, maybe a jackpot to keep people coming back. Rockstar's reputation is bad enough ever since they added the bike that shall not be named here and has refused to directly tone it back, or refusal to patch glitches that don't hurt their income. I doubt they care what we think of how they made the casino 

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OzakiLeona
26 minutes ago, Spectre "2K" said:

i don't mean real world money, they just don't want us profiting because then it would be yet another way to make their only life support of the game redundant. Granted they have to give out a bone here and there, maybe a jackpot to keep people coming back. Rockstar's reputation is bad enough ever since they added the bike that shall not be named here and has refused to directly tone it back, or refusal to patch glitches that don't hurt their income. I doubt they care what we think of how they made the casino 

Of course I'm not talking about real money. But casino never even had any chance to being profitable for the players (besides exploits, patched ASAP). The real-life casino games are not designed to be profitable for players. There are carefully balanced to give edge to the house, but keep players interested (at least the stupid ones). There is no need to rig them in any direction.

It would make sense for real-life casino, where ever extra dollar counts. But in GTA ? The most we can lose is 50k per 48 minutes. Rigging it to get extra few % would be pointless. Compared to releasing 2.5 million car ..

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The Queenslayer

Black Jack are rigged?

 

A Winner is not you

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Ker Juice

I am suspicious of BJ being rigged- especially after the game needing an update the following day of this DLC’s release. On Thursday the game seemed way more balanced and based on luck. The house rarely beat me or pushed when I was at 20/21. Hell, rarely even pushed at any number. Friday update? I’m getting 20’s back to back on several occasions during one sit down and all of a sudden the dealer magically pushes 20 or gets black jack on both back to backs almost every time?? Pushes happen waaaaay too frequently now. FOH something doesn’t feel right. Thursday I took plenty of losses but the losses didn’t feel unrealistic. Friday felt like that damn casino had all the luck in the world and left me with luck the size of 1 flake of glitter. Call me paranoid, but something just doesn’t feel right. 

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OzakiLeona
17 minutes ago, Ker Juice said:

I am suspicious of BJ being rigged- especially after the game needing an update the following day of this DLC’s release. On Thursday the game seemed way more balanced and based on luck. The house rarely beat me or pushed when I was at 20/21. Hell, rarely even pushed at any number. Friday update? I’m getting 20’s back to back on several occasions during one sit down and all of a sudden the dealer magically pushes 20 or gets black jack on both back to backs almost every time?? Pushes happen waaaaay too frequently now. FOH something doesn’t feel right. Thursday I took plenty of losses but the losses didn’t feel unrealistic. Friday felt like that damn casino had all the luck in the world and left me with luck the size of 1 flake of glitter. Call me paranoid, but something just doesn’t feel right. 

Feeling not right is perfectly fine. It's not evidence though. Bring stats of 1000 games and we can talk.

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fightingirish595

You can’t just sit there betting the same amount and expect to make money in blackjack. You need to ride streaks and have a positive progression betting system. Only increase your bet when you win. 

 

 

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Ker Juice
1 hour ago, OzakiLeona said:

Feeling not right is perfectly fine. It's not evidence though. Bring stats of 1000 games and we can talk.

Don’t get defensive. I merely stated I’m suspicious and why. That was it. 

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OzakiLeona
2 hours ago, fightingirish595 said:

You can’t just sit there betting the same amount and expect to make money in blackjack. You need to ride streaks and have a positive progression betting system. Only increase your bet when you win. 

 

 

Myths like these are actually circulated by casinos themselves. Same as online 'guides'. Usually with 'try it here' links at the bottom.

 

Face the reality. There is only one way you can make money on gambling. Owning the casino.

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fightingirish595
25 minutes ago, OzakiLeona said:

Myths like these are actually circulated by casinos themselves. Same as online 'guides'. Usually with 'try it here' links at the bottom.

 

Face the reality. There is only one way you can make money on gambling. Owning the casino.

Myths like what exactly? The house has an edge. How can you win by betting the same amount each time? 

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OzakiLeona
1 minute ago, fightingirish595 said:

Myths like what exactly? The house has an edge. How can you win by betting the same amount each time? 

How can you win by betting any different ? Bets have no effect on whether you win or not. And winning streak is nonsense. Especially in GTA, where the packs are shuffled every time.

You win just under 50% of the games. If you knew ahead, which games it's going to be, you could make profit by betting higher when you are going to win. Yahoo. Except you don't know when you are going to win.

 

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Sentinel Driver

My luck at blackjack in my penthouse is incredible

I've done 2 games with max stakes, both times I doubled down and won

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fightingirish595
25 minutes ago, OzakiLeona said:

How can you win by betting any different ? Bets have no effect on whether you win or not. And winning streak is nonsense. Especially in GTA, where the packs are shuffled every time.

You win just under 50% of the games. If you knew ahead, which games it's going to be, you could make profit by betting higher when you are going to win. Yahoo. Except you don't know when you are going to win.

 

Bets have no effect on whether you win a hand or not. But money management is a huge factor in whether or not a trip to a casino is a winning day or a losing day.

 

It’s all math. You can’t sit there betting the same amount and expect to win. The house has too much of an edge. 

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hank_wayne

Like a checkered suited man once said

"Truth is ... the game was rigged from the start.” -Benny

Just be glad the management doesnt take you to sandy shores and put a bullet in ya.
 

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CaliMeatWagon
30 minutes ago, fightingirish595 said:

Bets have no effect on whether you win a hand or not. But money management is a huge factor in whether or not a trip to a casino is a winning day or a losing day.

 

It’s all math. You can’t sit there betting the same amount and expect to win. The house has too much of an edge. 

Bullsh*t. This is exactly what I do and I almost always walk away even or up. I play blackjack and I only play so many hands. If I dip below a certain amount I leave the table. 
Blackjack is actually one of the more consistent ways to "earn" with this DLC as the wins can be relatively consistent if you play smart. You may not be able to get a massive payout like you can from other activities, but consistency. 

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