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Lemoyne outlaw

hi everyone i was replaying the story for the umpteenth time. and im on chapter 3. and it got me thinking if i had to choose which family to side with. who would i choose. of course in the story the gang is trying to play both families to get the gold. but it would be interesting if you could pick sides. if you could who would choose? i would certainly go with the braithwaites. i know we did not get much story with either family. but i like the braithwaites more. and i actually felt bad for them when they attacked the plantation. i know everyone liked that mission. but it made me think so much of general sherman and his cowardly army marching on georgia and burning atlanta. it reminded me even more of it because when hosea asked catherine why she kidnapped jack. she said there aint no rules in war. and i instantly thought of sherman. and i realized she was right. not to mention i hate how they portray the southerners in this game. they make the lemoyne raiders look bad. they make all of dutches members yankees. and they talk about the southerners like they are evil.

 

i love this game but one major gripe i have is how they portray the south. and of course its all because of the stupid controversy with the confederate flag and how they want to tear down statues. even gta 5 got affected. it had a couple of confederate flags on day one. then after all the confederate hate happened rockstar deleted them. its such a shame how they did it. its like oh its perfectly fine to kill rob and do millions of other terrible things. but having a confederate flag is a big no. so yea i like dutches gang for the most part. but that one mission made me want to turn my guns on them and kill them. sorry about the little rant but i have been holding that in since the game came out. also they grays were yankee spies. and they killed sean. all the braithwaites did was kidnap jack. and they even got him back. i wish we got sean back. so which family do you like more and why?

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The Grays are supposed to be the Law in Rhodes, but they are liars (regarding the horses they wanted us to steal and sell) and hypocrites.

 

The Braithwaites are awful and they know it.

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On 7/26/2019 at 6:36 AM, confederatestatesgta said:

hi everyone i was replaying the story for the umpteenth time. and im on chapter 3. and it got me thinking if i had to choose which family to side with. who would i choose. of course in the story the gang is trying to play both families to get the gold. but it would be interesting if you could pick sides. if you could who would choose? i would certainly go with the braithwaites. i know we did not get much story with either family. but i like the braithwaites more. and i actually felt bad for them when they attacked the plantation. i know everyone liked that mission. but it made me think so much of general sherman and his cowardly army marching on georgia and burning atlanta. it reminded me even more of it because when hosea asked catherine why she kidnapped jack. she said there aint no rules in war. and i instantly thought of sherman. and i realized she was right. not to mention i hate how they portray the southerners in this game. they make the lemoyne raiders look bad. they make all of dutches members yankees. and they talk about the southerners like they are evil.

 

i love this game but one major gripe i have is how they portray the south. and of course its all because of the stupid controversy with the confederate flag and how they want to tear down statues. even gta 5 got affected. it had a couple of confederate flags on day one. then after all the confederate hate happened rockstar deleted them. its such a shame how they did it. its like oh its perfectly fine to kill rob and do millions of other terrible things. but having a confederate flag is a big no. so yea i like dutches gang for the most part. but that one mission made me want to turn my guns on them and kill them. sorry about the little rant but i have been holding that in since the game came out. also they grays were yankee spies. and they killed sean. all the braithwaites did was kidnap jack. and they even got him back. i wish we got sean back. so which family do you like more and why?

I actually agree with you regarding the portrayal of the south as very one sided. The Lemoyne Raiders are assholes though. 

 

But yes, southerners seems ok to portray in the most awful way and to me that seems hypocritical as other people seems protected from that kind of behavior. I of course hate slavery as every sane person would and should, but the civil war for the fighting men on the battlefield was not about slavery. The confederate soldier fought to protect their homes and do as they where told by the very small ruling elite, most confederate soldiers had way more in common with their union counterparts than they had with the ruling class of the south. 

 

I am not an American, but I am a historian and I really feel this antagonism against the so called “confederate flag” and confederate monuments is going way too far. We as humans need to accept our history and learn from it, not hide it and pretend it did not happen. And all the people that died in the horrible American civil war that died for one flag or the other should be remembered because most of them died protecting their homes and families from an enemy that as I said, the ruling elite created for them. This is true no matter if one was fighting for the union or the confederacy. 

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My only real complaint with the RDR2 story is that there are too many secondary antagonists.

 

You'd probably say the #1 bad guy is Micah, and he's well drawn (if a little cartoonishly evil). Or you might say it's Dutch, whose character is pleasingly complex and central to everything.

Then you've got Agents Milton & Ross, as well as Leviticus Cornwall who we see throughout the whole game, and who come to represent the encroachment of the modern world on the gang's way of life.

And you've got Colm O'Driscoll as the evil rival with no morals or scruples.

 

So far, so good.

 

But then from Chapters 3-6, the game decides it's going to throw in Chapter-specific antagonists as well.

The Grays & the Braithwaites, Angelo Bronte, Alberto Fussar, Colonel Favours. All of them get only a handful of missions each, which just isn't enough to get to know them, or generate any really antipathy towards them (and therefore satisfaction when they get what's coming to them).

I can't help but feel that the game would have been better off cutting two or three of these, and spending more time with the remaining bad guys so that they could have written much deeper and more complex characters.

 

 

Which is a very long-winded way of saying Grays or Braithwaites? I've no idea - I don't feel I really got to know either of them before we were blowing them to hell!?!

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6 hours ago, Ironside said:

I actually agree with you regarding the portrayal of the south as very one sided. The Lemoyne Raiders are assholes though. 

 

But yes, southerners seems ok to portray in the most awful way and to me that seems hypocritical as other people seems protected from that kind of behavior. I of course hate slavery as every sane person would and should, but the civil war for the fighting men on the battlefield was not about slavery. The confederate soldier fought to protect their homes and do as they where told by the very small ruling elite, most confederate soldiers had way more in common with their union counterparts than they had with the ruling class of the south. 

 

I am not an American, but I am a historian and I really feel this antagonism against the so called “confederate flag” and confederate monuments is going way too far. We as humans need to accept our history and learn from it, not hide it and pretend it did not happen. And all the people that died in the horrible American civil war that died for one flag or the other should be remembered because most of them died protecting their homes and families from an enemy that as I said, the ruling elite created for them. This is true no matter if one was fighting for the union or the confederacy. 

thank you. im glad someone has the same opinion. i am from the southern us. and like you i hate slavery and racism. but i have a confederate flag hanging up proudly. not because i hate people or want something evil. i just have southern pride. and its so upsetting to see one of my favorite game series make southerners look bad or evil. of course there are bad southerners. but there are bad people everywhere. even the northern us had slavery for a while. so they are not so perfect either. anyway thanks again.

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6 minutes ago, confederatestatesgta said:

thank you. im glad someone has the same opinion. i am from the southern us. and like you i hate slavery and racism. but i have a confederate flag hanging up proudly. not because i hate people or want something evil. i just have southern pride. and its so upsetting to see one of my favorite game series make southerners look bad or evil. of course there are bad southerners. but there are bad people everywhere. even the northern us had slavery for a while. so they are not so perfect either. anyway thanks again.

No problem! As a historian I have studied several wars from many different perspectives. The American civil war was about a lot more than slavery, and I say this without the intent to diminish the horrible things that the slavery in the USA created. But I do see a trend that is quite worrying and it is not only happening in America, the trend is to a way too extreme point simplify complex historical events and contexts. So when people say that the confederated was all evil and that the war was purely about slavery or no slavery, I just feel that these people need to study way more. This is one reason why I really love “Hell on Wheels”, Cullen Bohannon is a so complex and multidimensional protagonist with flaws and all. That drama also do not show the union as simply good and the confederacy as simply bad.

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Lemoyne outlaw
6 minutes ago, Ironside said:

No problem! As a historian I have studied several wars from many different perspectives. The American civil war was about a lot more than slavery, and I say this without the intent to diminish the horrible things that the slavery in the USA created. But I do see a trend that is quite worrying and it is not only happening in America, the trend is to a way too extreme point simplify complex historical events and contexts. So when people say that the confederated was all evil and that the war was purely about slavery or no slavery, I just feel that these people need to study way more. This is one reason why I really love “Hell on Wheels”, Cullen Bohannon is a so complex and multidimensional protagonist with flaws and all. That drama also do not show the union as simply good and the confederacy as simply bad.

yes i am a big history buff too. and the civil war is what i like to learn about the most. and you are very right. although i have never seen that show before. i might check it out.

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Hell on wheels is a great drama, the protagonist is from Meridian Mississippi so I am sure you will like him 🙂 I will not spoil much but the protagonists family was raped and murdered by union soldiers during the war and the show starts with the protagonist searching for those responsible. Watch it and tell me what you think about it! 

 

I may be wrong here but I find westerns with protagonists from the south that fought for the confederacy to be very rare indeed. So it is very refreshing to see the era from a different perspective than most westerns show us. 

 

I have one set of clothes in RDR2 to make Arthur look like Cullen Bohannon from “Hell on Wheels”. 🙂 

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Cutter De Blanc

Im with Dutch, screw both these groups of morons

 

That said, I prefer Braithwaite Manor to Caliga Hall

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3 hours ago, Ironside said:

Hell on wheels is a great drama, the protagonist is from Meridian Mississippi so I am sure you will like him 🙂 I will not spoil much but the protagonists family was raped and murdered by union soldiers during the war and the show starts with the protagonist searching for those responsible. Watch it and tell me what you think about it! 

 

I may be wrong here but I find westerns with protagonists from the south that fought for the confederacy to be very rare indeed. So it is very refreshing to see the era from a different perspective than most westerns show us. 

 

I have one set of clothes in RDR2 to make Arthur look like Cullen Bohannon from “Hell on Wheels”. 🙂 

 

I only remember Outlaw Josey Wales tbh and I watched a lot of them, but not all, if you know more please tell me.

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18 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

Im with Dutch, screw both these groups of morons

 

That said, I prefer Braithwaite Manor to Caliga Hall

I'm with Dutch, too. And his character peaks for me (in the rdr2 story) with the burning of Brathwaite Manor. After that Dutch slowly becomes a desperate opportunist.

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On 7/30/2019 at 4:01 AM, Ironside said:

I actually agree with you regarding the portrayal of the south as very one sided. The Lemoyne Raiders are assholes though. 

 

But yes, southerners seems ok to portray in the most awful way and to me that seems hypocritical as other people seems protected from that kind of behavior. I of course hate slavery as every sane person would and should, but the civil war for the fighting men on the battlefield was not about slavery. The confederate soldier fought to protect their homes and do as they where told by the very small ruling elite, most confederate soldiers had way more in common with their union counterparts than they had with the ruling class of the south. 

 

I am not an American, but I am a historian and I really feel this antagonism against the so called “confederate flag” and confederate monuments is going way too far. We as humans need to accept our history and learn from it, not hide it and pretend it did not happen. And all the people that died in the horrible American civil war that died for one flag or the other should be remembered because most of them died protecting their homes and families from an enemy that as I said, the ruling elite created for them. This is true no matter if one was fighting for the union or the confederacy. 

I love how I Googled "who should I side with in RDR2" and get caught up in this moral and ethical thought process over fictional characters. Y'all got me over here in deep thought about this sh*t... I love it 😁

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On 7/30/2019 at 2:47 PM, Cutter De Blanc said:

Im with Dutch, screw both these groups of morons

 

That said, I prefer Braithwaite Manor to Caliga Hall

Couldn't have said it better.
... and I absolutely agree; Oak Alley which is what the Braithwaite manner is based upon is far more interesting both visually and historically.

It's still baffles me how there are so many incorrect YouTube videos regarding these two families claiming that it's the Hatfields and The McCoys.

Sadly this is so far from the truth.

 

It seems that this error happens due to the fact that everybody keeps looking the information up on Google and you can't find the real information on Google.

You actually have to dig through the newspaper articles that are only found in Louisiana Library historical records.

But I guess that's a sign of the times. Everybody thinks Google has the answer to everything rather than doing real research themselves.

The two real life families that it's all based upon are Truggles and the Ramses. Right down to the secret marriage, the hiring of outside gunman to kill one another's family members (played by the part of the vanderlin Gang), and the White Lightning moonshining standoff between the two families that all took place in Claiborne Parish Louisiana. 

...and Claiborne Parish is actually the location that the town of Rhodes is based upon.

 

The real life story is so much more interesting than the Hatfields and McCoys.

Then add in the fact that the outside gunman hired by both families to retaliate against one another were never named and that Rockstar seized on the opportunity to put the Gang as playing the part of those outside gunmen.

 

I personally think it's genius.

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