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Standard Deluxe 59

Bravado Gauntlet Hellfire Appreciation Thread

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Standard Deluxe 59
1 hour ago, SummerFreeze said:

computertech82 dislikes any car that isn't worthwhile for racing. It's a routine at this point.

Some people just love to complain I guess. 

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1 hour ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

Racing isn't everything and not every new car has to be significantly better than pre existing cars.

And the funny part is people will still complain when we get a new class leader & call it Pay To Win.

 

Watch it happen again in a couple of hours when the Krieger comes out and they find out that the new class leader gonna set them back a good 3 million dollars.

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Standard Deluxe 59
Just now, IceDree said:

And the funny part is people will still complain when we get a new class leader & call it Pay To Win.

Oh the irony, but you're right. 

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3 minutes ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

Oh the irony, but you're right. 

Its just like you said a few minutes, some people love to complain.

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BestName

i would never buy a modern challenger in rl(because trash) but in gta? hell yes!

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10 minutes ago, BestName said:

i would never buy a modern challenger in rl(because trash) but in gta? hell yes!

 

Personally find them big and bulky. They have so much weight to them. The door alone is a hassle to open if you have a lot of sh*t in your hands. I've had to open it with my foot once(hand first, used knee to keep open.) and never heard the end of it for leaving a dirt spot from my shoe.

 

Never drove one yet, but being Canada, I'd have to go for the Hellcat Charger logically.. I would need an all year vehicle.

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Q: the new Gauntlets don't suffer from the Toros/Bentley transmission bug, right?

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9 minutes ago, IceDree said:

Q: the new Gauntlets don't suffer from the Toros/Bentley transmission bug, right?

Nope.

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3 minutes ago, UltraKrysis said:

Nope.

Awesome, thanks.

 

2 hours ago, Kushology said:

Personally find them big and bulky. They have so much weight to them

The Challenger fat jokes weren't born out of thin air lol.

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Touge Spirit Leader

It might be large but it has some of the nicest driving feel and endless power. Yes, it has heavy doors lol but it's called just put the things in your hands on the roof for a second lol. Also, Challenger/Charger no difference in ability to be an "all year car" your just gonna need snow tires in the great white north.

4 hours ago, BestName said:

i would never buy a modern challenger in rl(because trash) but in gta? hell yes!

Oh no, it's retarded...what do you drive IRL BestName?

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2 hours ago, Touge Spirit Leader said:

 

Oh no, it's retarded...what do you drive IRL BestName?

Honda Civic, I bet.

 

VTec power! 💪

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Standard Deluxe 59
6 hours ago, Kushology said:

 

Personally find them big and bulky. They have so much weight to them. The door alone is a hassle to open if you have a lot of sh*t in your hands. I've had to open it with my foot once(hand first, used knee to keep open.) and never heard the end of it for leaving a dirt spot from my shoe.

I like that Challengers are biggish cars because being 6' 4" I don't fit in anything smaller than a mid size. Even those leave me feeling cramped most of the time. I have a hard time getting in and out of cars with low roofs and small doors, even some crossovers leave me bonking my head on the roof rail trying to get in.

 

24 minutes ago, Kushology said:

Honda Civic, I bet.

 

VTec power! 💪

Gotta love those puny lawn mower engines. Lol.

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10 hours ago, Kushology said:

 

Personally find them big and bulky. They have so much weight to them. The door alone is a hassle to open if you have a lot of sh*t in your hands. I've had to open it with my foot once(hand first, used knee to keep open.) and never heard the end of it for leaving a dirt spot from my shoe.

 

Never drove one yet, but being Canada, I'd have to go for the Hellcat Charger logically.. I would need an all year vehicle.

Me too. I'm more of a road course type guy and prefer the mustang and Camaro in terms of performance like handling irl. I respect challengers for they are tho. I'm more of a Shelby GT500 and ZL1 1LE type. In gta, I love the hellfire for it's great drag ability. 

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J-Scott-D

Still enjoying my Hellfires. I ended up buy 5 Hellfires for 4 characters across 3 accounts. 

 

I never shared pictures, it'll happen soon. I appreciated all of the Hexes that JRDeath shared for this car. 

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Tennyzulander
3 hours ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

I like that Challengers are biggish cars because being 6' 4" I don't fit in anything smaller than a mid size. Even those leave me feeling cramped most of the time. I have a hard time getting in and out of cars with low roofs and small doors, even some crossovers leave me bonking my head on the roof rail trying to get in.

 

Gotta love those puny lawn mower engines. Lol.

I'm all about V8 crossplane and flat plane V8s!!!

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Standard Deluxe 59
14 minutes ago, Tennyzulander said:

I'm all about V8 crossplane and flat plane V8s!!!

Problem for me is if I don't fit I can't enjoy the car! I at least fit comfortably in a Challenger which is something I can't quite say about current Mustangs and Camaros. Also, the Challenger looks better than the current Mustang and Camaro in my opinion.

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10 minutes ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

Problem for me is if I don't fit I can't enjoy the car! I at least fit comfortably in a Challenger which is something I can't quite say about current Mustangs and Camaros. Also, the Challenger looks better than the current Mustang and Camaro in my opinion.

All preference. I don't like the 2015-present mustangs like I do the 2013-2014 old generation design. I love the 2013-2014 Shelby GT500. The 5th Camaros look better than 6th gen. I love the 2013 Camaro ZL1s more!!

13 minutes ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

Problem for me is if I don't fit I can't enjoy the car! I at least fit comfortably in a Challenger which is something I can't quite say about current Mustangs and Camaros. Also, the Challenger looks better than the current Mustang and Camaro in my opinion.

2013 Shelby GT500 

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2014 Camaro ZL1= 5th gen Camaro

16_p3_l.jpgI love the look of these!! 

2013 Shelby was blazing fast but had problems putting down the power on that mainly due to the very thin tires and live axle suspension. It had good handling but the live axle suspension makes it scary to drive on bumpy roads as well. The chassis got upset easily over small transitions. 

17 minutes ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

Problem for me is if I don't fit I can't enjoy the car! I at least fit comfortably in a Challenger which is something I can't quite say about current Mustangs and Camaros. Also, the Challenger looks better than the current Mustang and Camaro in my opinion.

I'm all about agility and cornering ability because I love the track. I'm not too keen on top speed straight line performance like that. I respect drag racing tho but not my cup of tea. I do like demon because it destroys many supercars. However, the 720S easily beats the demon tho. 

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Touge Spirit Leader

I prefer the Challenger because it's the only one that retains the essential ethos of the original model.

 

Speaking of road courses...

 

 

These boys are slippin' and sliding!

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Tennyzulander
29 minutes ago, Touge Spirit Leader said:

I prefer the Challenger because it's the only one that retains the essential ethos of the original model.

 

Speaking of road courses...

 

 

These boys are slippin' and sliding!

Sure. Then again, it's part of the car culture in the US while Europeans care more about handling and road courses. Mustang and Camaro were never necessarily muscle cars either. They were pony cars. 

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2 hours ago, Tennyzulander said:

Sure. Then again, it's part of the car culture in the US while Europeans care more about handling and road courses. Mustang and Camaro were never necessarily muscle cars either. They were pony cars. 

 

The Challenger was a pony car, didn't you see Sam Posey's lime green number 77 car in them shots too? Pony cars were muscle car engines stuffed into shorter wheelbase road racing cars.

 

The difference between the modern Challenger, Camaro and Mustang is that now that the USDM car market has shrunk there is not a place for both "Pony" and "Muscle" cars. Muscle cars were the homologation specials for the strip, pony cars, for the road circuits.

 

How this translates to the modern day is as follows. European style touring cars are predominant in modern road racing. Corvette's wanted to stay competitive and were never really muscle cars so their design ethos followed the trend.

 

In the modern era Ford collapsed the muscle heritage of the Torino, Mercury Cyclone, Fairlaine 500 and Mustang into one car, the modern Mustang. The market can't sustain so many competing FR RWD US style performance cars.

 

Chevrolet did the same with the Chevelle, GTO, 442, Skylark and Camaro by again collapsing the former into the latter.

 

Dodge as well followed suite. They collapsed the Charger, Roadrunner GTX, 'Cuda, OG Dart and Challenger into the modern Challenger. The difference is that Dodge kept the ethos of the classic pony car, which now due to advanced tech in racing, no longer had a natural spot on the circuit. On the other hand, Ford and Chevy tried to keep up with the Bimmer's n such on the road courses and wound up making their cars stray further away from the classics each year while still not doing all that well in modern GT4 class.

 

Lastly @Tennyzulander you are so right about the difference in handling. I know that tons of folks will make fun of muscle/pony car guys incessantly for "not being able to turn" but the thing is. WE LIVE IN AMERICA! Sea to shining sea! The main roads are wide open 4 lane blacktops with minimal curvature, save to wrap around mountains or snake through places where the government couldn't secure eminent domain. The average American should have no concern with cornering ability, it just isn't a factor on our commutes.

 

This is why Dodge keeps putting out ridiculously overpowered Challenger variants...it works, they know exactly who they advertise to. Mustangs will always be popular, girls carry V6 droptop sales but they are losing ground as OG Mustang Boomers lose market-share. The Camaro is going away...because it tried to be too Euro, lost it's way and still couldn't really compete.

 

Some might think I'm wrong but this is just what I've observed. And to clarify, this is coming from a place of knowledge and respect. My handle here is goddamn Touge Spirit Leader. Ironically here I am, active on super muscle car threads. TBH I could also do another one of these write-ups on the subtleties of flat out Bosozoku VS. the more subdued Shakotan. Or I could go on a diatribe about the intricacies of the BMW Art Car program or the racing history of the DeTomaso Pantera in Gr.3's and 4. The point is, a real car guy can appreciate all performance cars.

 

To call another car sh*t or trash is plain ignorant. I will give my thumbs up to any Honda on cut springs because I know they are trying, soon as one of them poo poo's me however, it's HEMI time!

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1 hour ago, Touge Spirit Leader said:

 

The Challenger was a pony car, didn't you see Sam Posey's lime green number 77 car in them shots too? Pony cars were muscle car engines stuffed into shorter wheelbase road racing cars.

 

The difference between the modern Challenger, Camaro and Mustang is that now that the USDM car market has shrunk there is not a place for both "Pony" and "Muscle" cars. Muscle cars were the homologation specials for the strip, pony cars, for the road circuits.

 

How this translates to the modern day is as follows. European style touring cars are predominant in modern road racing. Corvette's wanted to stay competitive and were never really muscle cars so their design ethos followed the trend.

 

In the modern era Ford collapsed the muscle heritage of the Torino, Mercury Cyclone, Fairlaine 500 and Mustang into one car, the modern Mustang. The market can't sustain so many competing FR RWD US style performance cars.

 

Chevrolet did the same with the Chevelle, GTO, 442, Skylark and Camaro by again collapsing the former into the latter.

 

Dodge as well followed suite. They collapsed the Charger, Roadrunner GTX, 'Cuda, OG Dart and Challenger into the modern Challenger. The difference is that Dodge kept the ethos of the classic pony car, which now due to advanced tech in racing, no longer had a natural spot on the circuit. On the other hand, Ford and Chevy tried to keep up with the Bimmer's n such on the road courses and wound up making their cars stray further away from the classics each year while still not doing all that well in modern GT4 class.

 

Lastly @Tennyzulander you are so right about the difference in handling. I know that tons of folks will make fun of muscle/pony car guys incessantly for "not being able to turn" but the thing is. WE LIVE IN AMERICA! Sea to shining sea! The main roads are wide open 4 lane blacktops with minimal curvature, save to wrap around mountains or snake through places where the government couldn't secure eminent domain. The average American should have no concern with cornering ability, it just isn't a factor on our commutes.

 

This is why Dodge keeps putting out ridiculously overpowered Challenger variants...it works, they know exactly who they advertise to. Mustangs will always be popular, girls carry V6 droptop sales but they are losing ground as OG Mustang Boomers lose market-share. The Camaro is going away...because it tried to be too Euro, lost it's way and still couldn't really compete.

 

Some might think I'm wrong but this is just what I've observed. And to clarify, this is coming from a place of knowledge and respect. My handle here is goddamn Touge Spirit Leader. Ironically here I am, active on super muscle car threads. TBH I could also do another one of these write-ups on the subtleties of flat out Bosozoku VS. the more subdued Shakotan. Or I could go on a diatribe about the intricacies of the BMW Art Car program or the racing history of the DeTomaso Pantera in Gr.3's and 4. The point is, a real car guy can appreciate all performance cars.

 

To call another car sh*t or trash is plain ignorant. I will give my thumbs up to any Honda on cut springs because I know they are trying, soon as one of them poo poo's me however, it's HEMI time!

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Yeah. Good point. However, the Camaro and mustang having sports car handling doesn't make it euro. It's a good thing they can turn so that many ignorant Europeans can't bash the modern sports pony cars like Camaro and mustang. American cars can actually turn now which is great because no one can trash talk them not being able to take a corner. The 2018 Chevy Camaro ZL1 1LE was a awesome track car that beat mean sport and supercars around a track in terms of laptimes. I love a car with handling as well. Dodge challenger is a great car for what it is tho. 

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5 hours ago, Tennyzulander said:

I'm all about agility and cornering ability because I love the track. I'm not too keen on top speed straight line performance like that. I respect drag racing tho but not my cup of tea. I do like demon because it destroys many supercars. However, the 720S easily beats the demon tho. 

Cornering and track performance was never much of a concern of mine since there isn't a single race track near me and as Togue said our American roads are largely straight and wide open with minimal curves. I also like softer suspensions that better absorb bumps and pot holes but aren't so good for cornering but that's personal preference of comfort over handling. I hear the Challenger rides pretty well for a sportier car which just gives it another notch over the Ford and Chevy cars. I agree that the fifth gen Camaro looked nicer than the 6th gen and the prior generation of Mustang looked better as well. Though I can only honestly say I like two or three of the Mustang generations. Depends if you put the 71-73 Mustangs as first gen or second gen.   

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Third wheel here, @Touge Spirit Leader well said, dude.

 

6 hours ago, Touge Spirit Leader said:

The Camaro is going away...because it tried to be too Euro, lost it's way and still couldn't really compete.

 

My personal theory is the Camaro is going away because GM brass don't care & the beancounters saw it as an easy prey to "restore" balance. The Gen5 Camaro was developed during a time when Bob Lutz, Ed Wilburn & Mark Ruess held the top positions in decision making, design and engineering. The trio prioritized engineering and quality over GM's infamous cost cutting, & the GenV Camaro reflected that. It handled well, looked somewhat attractive (the transformers movies helped a lot) & the interior quality was decent, better than the crap GM used to produce in the 90s & 00s.

 



IIRC, the Gen5 Camaro concept was designed in secret, only a handful of people knew about it. And GM management didn't know about it until it drove on the stage in Detroit's auto show back in 2006.

 

 

Bob Lutz was forced out before the development of Gen6 kicked in, and Mark & Ed had to compromise with the beancounters to make it work ... The interior took the hit since Bob was the one who pushed for better quality. When Ed retired, Mark couldn't hold the fort by himself & GM returned to their old ways.

 

Enter the monstrosity that is the Gen6 facelift. I won't be surprised if the beancounters sabotaged the program on purpose to kill the Camaro. I certainly wouldn't put it past them, they're a sleazy bunch.

 

The Camaro gets uglier, people stop buying it, beancounters take the numbers to Management, give them the I told you so speech & convince them to kill it ... Beancounters back in charge & "balance" is restored.

 

While all that was unfolding the Challenger kept getting better and better, and putting the squeeze on the Camaro.

 

7 hours ago, Touge Spirit Leader said:

Mustangs will always be popular, girls carry V6 droptop sales but they are losing ground as OG Mustang Boomers lose market-share

 

I have a feeling the Mustang is heading that way as well. The investors are pressuring Ford to make more money and cut more corners to save a buck. It started with the GT350 & GT500 keeping the old front end while the rest got the facelift, now the next Mustang have been pushed back a few years ... They're gonna let it rot like Nissan did the Z.

 

7 hours ago, Touge Spirit Leader said:

The difference is that Dodge kept the ethos of the classic pony car

And they successfully turned it into a GT in the process.

 

The Challenger is one of the few Coupes this side of a $100k that can seat 4 adults comfortably (so I heard).

 

Sure it won't keep up with an M3 or a Giulia, but it won't embarrass itself like its predecessors.

 

6 hours ago, Tennyzulander said:

The market can't sustain so many competing FR RWD US style performance cars.

 

Unfortunately its happening all across the board and everyone is feeling the heat. Mercedes dropped the SLC & the C coupe could be next, Cadillac already left the 2-door market, I read somewhere that Nissan dropped the roadster Z this week and they may not make a next gen Z. Rumor has it BMW, Audi & Lexus will drop the 2er convertible, Z4, 2-door 8ers once they reach EOL, A5, R8 & RC. The Jaguar might follow them as well. Things are not looking good for the mainstream/luxury 2-door sports cars market.

 

8 hours ago, Touge Spirit Leader said:

The point is, a real car guy can appreciate all performance cars.

#Respect.

 

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On 9/9/2019 at 1:57 PM, ellomynameiswil said:

Xbox?

Ps4 sadly 

 

On 9/8/2019 at 7:49 PM, The1Rambl3r said:

 

Good sh*t bro 

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On 9/12/2019 at 4:42 AM, Kushology said:

 

Personally find them big and bulky. They have so much weight to them. The door alone is a hassle to open if you have a lot of sh*t in your hands. I've had to open it with my foot once(hand first, used knee to keep open.) and never heard the end of it for leaving a dirt spot from my shoe.

 

Never drove one yet, but being Canada, I'd have to go for the Hellcat Charger logically.. I would need an all year vehicle.

sh*t I loved my hellcat I got her salvage and build her from the ground up she was a beast in the the streets but I’m a mopar head by brith lol but I got big headed one night and was street racing and got fishtailed and then t boned and rolled her 15 times I only broke my left arm the doctor said I was Lucky to even be a live but yes I would rebuild her bc the hellcat runs in my blood ever since 

RACE IN PEACE BABY GIRL 

12/18/16 reaper_srt 

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They need to go back and remod the classic, looks like a f*cking cuda 😂 cudad have a flat crease on the side, unlike the challenger, crease follows the shape of the car, I was so excited when it came out either way, I love it lol 

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The Hellfire is one of the best cars i’ve driven, don’t have a single complaint for this car. Performance and looks both get a 10\10

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Bought it, love it.  Proper suicide machine.

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