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Grotti Vigilante

Which ending makes the most sense?

Which series of events leading up to the end of the game make the most sense?  

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  1. 1. Which series of events leading up to the end of the game make the most sense?

    • Spare Darko, Deal
      6
    • Spare Darko, Revenge
      22
    • Kill Darko, Deal
      6
    • Kill Darko, Revenge
      4


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Grotti Vigilante
Posted (edited)

I know there was a discussion on what may be the most canon ending in GTA IV, but I think what should be covered as a whole is what series of events leading up the ending of the game make the most sense. The canon endings are unclear, because Rockstar gave us that choice, but in terms of character development throughout the story, I want to cover what endings actually make sense for the characters we have. I'm kind of torn with it personally. If Niko kills Darko, he feels empty about the whole situation as the idea of getting revenge by killing Darko wasn't what he thought it to be. With that in mind, he probably wouldn't want to try and get revenge on Dimitri, but also not deal with him either. He'd just want him out of the way unless he had to kill him, which in this case may well have been the issue. Dimitri could've very well threatened Niko and his family in future, which is kind of proven in the next point.

 

If Niko spares Darko, he actually realises it wasn't really going to change anything, and probably imagined that Darko would be worse of suffering alive instead. This is a big turning point for Niko's character, and I much prefer to spare him because Niko truly shines through as the bigger man in choosing not to be blinded by emotion and the past desire for revenge. But then it wouldn't seem to make much sense to want to do the same with Dimitri, and with his new found knowledge he might think providing his family with more money could help them on their way up, so willingly takes the risk. But then even after that, Dimitri has a hitman attempt to kill Niko, so it seems that Dimitri was just too dangerous for Niko to keep alive. Then it no longer becomes a revenge mission but rather a preemptive strike of defending everyone he cares about. For those reasons it'd hard for me to pin down which endings make the most sense for GTA IV, because either way Dimitri would have to be dealt with sooner or later.

 

I sort of lean towards Spare Darko, Revenge option personally at this point, but what do you all think? Which series of events do you think are the most logical for GTA IV's ending, and why do you think so? Vote in the poll and leave your thoughts below...

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DOUGL4S1
Posted (edited)

Revenge, because Niko wouldn't trust Dimitri after his betrail, setting Roman's business and appartment on fire, and later kidnaping him.

 

And for Darko, I'm kinda split. I choose to spare him because killing him would only end his suffering, but I guess Niko would be too filled with rage when facing him to think about that, and would just want to put an end to his 10 year manhunt.

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Legomanarthur

Definitely revenge, if Niko didn't forget Darko's betrayal ten years after the facts, he sure as hell won't forget Dimitri's after all the things he did to him and Roman. To me the Deal option doesn't fit Niko, it fits Roman, but not Niko.

 

I can see Niko killing Darko out of revenge but I feel like sparring him is more appropriate for his character at this point in the story. Niko's realization that Darko is nothing more than a wreck ten years later proves to him that he really wasn't worth the effort. On the other hand, Dimitri is, simply because of his connections and treacherous nature. Darko is just a man with apparently no connection or association to mobsters compared to Dimitri who has enough resources to track Niko and his family down. I can see Niko having a hard time coping with his decision to spare Darko and take this opportunity to fulfill his desire for revenge on Dimitri, which finally leaves him at peace with himself.

 

Until that entitled asshole Pegorino takes it all away.

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Max.pain
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i’d totally say revenge but niko believing that everything will be okay and jimmy won’t come after him killing dimitri does not make sense. jimmy told niko that he should do that and insisted too much, jimmy said it was have to be done and a really big deal yet niko not caring this at all really does not make any sense. so even though it’s not my personal choise, canon should be deal. trusting dimitri does make much more sense than other i wrote above.

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SonOfLiberty

Spare Darko, Deal for me.

 

Sparing Darko I feel fills the void Niko's been missing the whole time and that revenge isn't always the answer. I can't deny the execution is simply bad arse however. Even though Niko goes back on his oath to never work with Dimitri again I can see his mindset he'd do it for Roman and what he thinks is best for their future even if it's out of reluctance. Plus I think it's more fitting that Dimitri's the final foe as intended. This is pretty much a similar situation to what John faces in RDR when he does one last job for Ross and Fordham, but well we all know happens after that.

 

All throughout the story Roman's on Niko's case that revenge isn't always the answer and if Niko can find it within himself to spare the man he'd be hunting all those years he doesn't necessarily have to kill Dimitri. I think it's actually a good turning point for Niko's character and he's willing to try and change his ways even if personally he doesn't want anything to do with Dimitri.

 

Revenge is the weaker of the two endings IMO as it doesn't feel right with Pegorino as the final foe and I really can't see Niko taking Kate's word over Roman's regardless of how much he loves her. Blood is thicker than water. To me the spare Darko, Deal combination feels like the most bittersweet. It's so satisfying killing Dimitri at the foot of the Statue Of Happiness, but losing Roman and Kate never speaking to Niko again drives the point home that Niko was chasing a "dream" that would never come true for him and learning that Roman was going to be a father tugs at the heartstrings too.

 

 

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iiCriminnaaL 49
Posted (edited)

As for Darko, sparing him seems to be the choice that Niko might head for. But the endings? I believe both make as much sense as each others. On a hand, Niko might take Roman's word in order to get them both rich, pushing his luck with Dimitri, and taking his chances in case he double-crossed him again. On the other hand, he might believe that the chance of Dimitri being a man of his word is pretty much zero, which makes it totally not worth it in his mind, and thus doesn't find a better choice than taking him out. Of course, Pegorino is nowhere as appropriate as Dimitri for a final antagonist, but that doesn't mean that this logically can't happen if the final events make sense.

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ThatKyloRenGuy

For Darko, I’d go with sparing him making more sense because it clearly didn’t make a difference whether he was alive or dead. However, in the case of the endings, it’s really kind of a tough one. As iiCriminnaal 49 said, they actually make about as much sense as each other. Although Jimmy Pegorino isn’t as good of a final boss as Dimitri Rascalov, he’s still a decent final boss IMO. One way you might be able to look at GTA IV’s Revenge ending is that BOTH Dimitri and Jimmy are the final bosses. However, it being just Dimitri makes sense too. A user named Jeansowaty made a third alternate ending. See the make your own GTA IV mission thread for reference. I’ve already typed it out and don’t really feel like doing it again, at least not for the time being. In short, it’s sort of a combination of both the Deal and Revenge endings, only both Kate and Roman survive and it’s a happy ending done better than GTA V’s ending C, plus in the beginning Niko calls Little Jacob for his advice too and in this ending, he takes LJ’s advice. I also took into consideration that in order for this ending to be possible, the player has to choose killing Playboy X and Derrick, as well as sparing Darko. With that being said, Darko secretly becomes allied with Dimitri and Jimmy, using their mafias for protection, and Niko kills all three of them.

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Copcaller
Posted (edited)

Spare darko revenge in my opinion

 

Darko is a drug addicted wreck death is a better fate than he deserves in all honesty. As for revenge Dimitri betrayed Mikhail he betrayed niko and had  Roman kidnapped. But maybe he'll be a honest guy this fourth time around. His morality pet Kate giving him the say so was even more justification

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billiejoearmstrong8

I always say it but I genuinely think they all make sense (and this makes it impossible for me to pick one 😛). With Niko's personality and the game narrative any combination of the choices can be justified, and it's really cool because each one makes the story/Nikos journey and where he ends up slightly different and each one takes you on a different emotional rollercoaster. And it leads to all kinds of interesting thoughts and discussion like this. These choices are one of the best things about the game. 

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KGBeast

To me, Niko wants Darko to suffer. So he'd let him live, completely lost and stranded in a place he doesn't know, pretty much guaranteed to suffer and die there. And not having taken revenge on Darko and learned a lesson from it, and having sworn never to work with Dimitri again, would take the Revenge ending. It makes more sense imo that Niko loses Kate because Kate symbolized a new life for him, which is more poetic than losing the cousin and life he'd always had. 

 

I have to admit though that I like the Deal ending missions much more than the Revenge ones. 

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Mr_Rager

Kill Darko, Niko feels no better, so he goes down the deal route and realizes sh*ts f*cked no matter which path he takes.

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DOUGL4S1
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I do think in order for the Revenge ending to be the best of all, with Pegorino being the one killed at the statue, Pegorino needed to be a bigger villain in the story. The way I imagine it happening is if Ray Boccino either didn't exist or didn't play such a big role in GTA IV, and his missions were given by Pegorino instead.

 

Since the Comission is kind of ignoring Peg, he would be trying to get a huge deal with the diamonds so he would be taken seriously again. The missions from 'Taking out the Trash' to 'Late Checkout' would be Pegorino's instead of Ray's, and after that, Niko would stop working for him. Peg would lose his diamonds and thus be forced to leave Algonquin by the Comission, escaping to Alderney.

 

Later in Alderney, Niko would start to work for him again. Pegorino would grow increasingly suspicious that Niko stole his diamonds and is trying to play 'good guy', so he would partner with Dimitri to ambush Niko at the Deal, so Peg can take the Diamons from Niko as well as getting revenge, because he sees Niko as the reason the Comission thinks he's a joke.

 

This would give Pegorino a lot more character development, and a much better reason to attack Roman's wedding during the Revenge plot.

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Eugene H. Krabs
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Darko dies no matter what but I usually spare him. Killing him right away is just doing him a favor so leaving him to die slowly in an isolated area is the best way for someone like him to go out. As for the ending, Deal's final mission is epic and all, but Revenge just makes the most sense to me. One of Niko's quotes from his phone call to Roman just sums it all up:

 

"Now that I know where Dimitri is, I might just go there and take him out instead. Have you forgotten that he burnt down your apartment and business, that he arranged your kidnapping?"

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Vega LVI
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Spared Darko. Took the deal.

 

Idk about “making the most sense,” but I always felt the former was the more poetic option to take. After all of the death he had left in his wake (from Europe to America), Niko resisting the urge to kill his most sworn enemy seemed like the best course of action (or inaction, when you think about it) for his character development at that point in the story. Plus, Roman’s comment that, “It seems like living will be more painful for [Darko] than death” really made a lot of sense and helped me to justify the decision to remain passive.

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The Deadite
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Idk about Darko, honestly both fit. Ill go with spare because everyone included Roman react better to it.

 

Although Pegorino is lackluster as a final boss, revenge ending makes the most sense.  Niko would never trust Dimitri again neither, he betrayed and tried to kill him, he was really close to torture Roman as well- ending falls completely flat for me for that very reason, it just goes against Niko's character to make such a poor decision driven by greed.

The ending in the boat its underrated as f*ck , Niko's journey ends in the same place that began- Dimitri's death is also just as satisfying (if not more, he actually begs here):

 

 

"You screwed me over, now you pay. Shame it would be the last second thing that goes through your head"

 

Kate, the only option to Niko leading a normal life dying fits as well, goes to show no one is safe when you go down the route Niko took.

 

Also i get to keep bowling with Roman so its the best ending by default.

 

 

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iiCriminnaaL 49
4 hours ago, The Deadite said:

The ending in the boat its underrated as f*ck , Niko's journey ends in the same place that began- Dimitri's death is also just as satisfying (if not more, he actually begs here):

 

That's something I find pretty cool about it, but what holds it back is that it's not really the last scene. You get to kill the sworn enemy where everything began, just to find out that there remains a last mission you have to finish where your last enemy is a wannabe mob boss who hasn't been introduced far enough.

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Ryo256
10 hours ago, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

just to find out that there remains a last mission you have to finish where your last enemy is a wannabe mob boss who hasn't been introduced far enough.

You know I kinda always felt bad for Jimmy Pegorino. I don't think he tried too hard that everyone in the game made fun of him for being a wannabe mob boss. And if you do the Deal with Dimitri, Jimmy is so happy and calls you wishing you well......only to get killed off by Dimitri just like that.

Poor guy gets screwed over no matter what choice you make.

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iiCriminnaaL 49
Posted (edited)
11 minutes ago, Ryo256 said:

You know I kinda always felt bad for Jimmy Pegorino. I don't think he tried too hard that everyone in the game made fun of him for being a wannabe mob boss. And if you do the Deal with Dimitri, Jimmy is so happy and calls you wishing you well......only to get killed off by Dimitri just like that.

Poor guy gets screwed over no matter what choice you make.

He was indeed unlucky, but to be fair, some consequences were the results of some of his decisions. He had suspicions about Ray, he immediately ordered Niko to kill him. Niko helped him to deal with Dimitri (in the case of the Deal ending), he sold him down the river to Dimitri and gave him the green light to take him out.

 

I can be more sympathetic with Boccino on the other hand. He is no saint, but everyone considers him a snake even though he appears to be an honest employer/ally, and ironically, he was the one who constantly gets betrayed, namely by Luca, Isaac, Klebitz, and later by his own boss Peg.

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Ryo256
2 minutes ago, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

He had suspicions about Ray, he immediately ordered Niko to kill him.

He did kinda take time with that decision and later called Niko to take Ray out. Though, if I recall that mission was supposed to be a choice originally where we made the call whether to take out Phil or Ray but it seems Rockstar's choice of picking Ray no matter does make Jimmy seems negatively judgmental about Ray.

 

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Niko helped him to deal with Dimitri (in the case of the Deal ending), he sold him the river to Dimitri and gave him the green light to take him out.

I don't recall Jimmy selling Niko out? Unless you mean after Dimitri sent the assassin at the wedding, Jimmy did give Dimitri protection so I guess that counts as betraying Niko but if you mean Dimitri deciding to kill Niko during the deal mission, that wasn't Jimmy's call at all because he wanted to the deal to go through and make money, who also congratulates Niko after it is done.

 

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I can be more sympathetic with Boccino on the other hand. He is no saint, but everyone considers him a snake even though he appears to be an honest employer/ally, and ironically, he was the one who constantly gets betrayed, namely by Luca, Isaac, Klebitz, and later by his own boss Peg.

Problem with Boccino is that he does kinda betray people similar to Vlad, like sleeping with Ashley despite her history with Johnny, plus she's a drug addict so he's knows how to exploit the weak. Also if Phil's nephew gets killed, Phil implies that Boccino will be very happy to know that his wife is now single if you know what I mean. Also tends to whispers and sow doubts in the organization like telling Jimmy that his wife isn't straight because she spends time with Phil. Basically Ray is a bit of wild card, makes sense why Jimmy have him killed instead of Phil.

In my opinion, Jimmy is definitely more controlled compared to Boccino. If only he didn't team up with Dimitri.

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Utopianthumbs

For me it's kill Darko and Deal

 

Niko relentlessly hunts Darko for almost a decade in his quest for vengeance and to suddenly let him go after finding him after all those years seems somewhat unrealistic to me. He seemed consumed with the need for extracting revenge on the one who sold out his friends and it shows in the way he executed Darko,shooting a bullet for each of his slain friends. Even when you spare him, Niko says something like," it took every fibre of my being all pulling in the same direction to spare him" which makes me feel that his will was to kill Darko and he had to go against his innate desire to do so, and personally I dont see him doing that after hunting him for so many years

 

But then he realizes that revenge does nothing for him, and while his first intention on learning Dimitris location is to hunt him down , the incident with Darko would have been in the back of his mind when Roman pleads with him to make the Deal ie he comes to the conclusion that revenge ultimately gives him no consolation, and even if its a risk to trust Dimitri again, Niko would take the chance especially because if the deal is successful he would secure the future of Roman who is just getting married. So he takes that chance.

 

But ultimately his choice proves to doom Roman rather than secure his future. To me it makes for a pretty tragic but compelling end, that Niko tried to take a more compassionate route after discovering that revenge was not the answer, only to bring about the worst possible result for himself. It's almost like he would feel like, was revenge the answer all along? Also Dimitri makes for a more fitting final villain than Pegorino

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iiCriminnaaL 49
On 7/18/2019 at 5:04 AM, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

As for Darko, sparing him seems to be the choice that Niko might head for.

Wasn't quite sure. After having a second thought, I think both choices have their convincing reasons for them to make sense as much as each others.

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billiejoearmstrong8
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44 minutes ago, iiCriminnaaL 49 said:

Wasn't quite sure. After having a second thought, I think both choices have their convincing reasons for them to make sense as much as each others.

I saw a comment about it once that now he's searched for him to make him pay for what he did for so long, and seeing that he has nothing to live for anyway, that it's almost above whether he prefers the thought of him living or dying and it's more like he's just there to deliver justice at this point, like the decision is made and he's now just the executioner. I'm not sure I totally agree but there is some aspect of that in there and it could influence it in favour of him killing him, like he's doing it not just for himself but also the other people who were killed and like, the universe.

 

I think if he was going to spare him it wouldn't be out of cruelty (ie because of the thought of him suffering more), to me that doesn't fit with Niko's sense of justice or way of doing things. It would be because of the things he says (eg "how much do you charge to kill someone?") or seeing the state he's in (no longer a threat to anyone) putting doubt in his mind that it's just to kill him. Or because of doubt that it'll actually bring him satisfaction/closure (although afterwards we see that neither decision fully does).

 

I think searching for and wanting to kill him for so long, believing he's delivering justice and seeing it's putting him out of his misery anyway are still a big push towards killing him though. I think both work, it's definitely the closest decision in the game, but taking everything into account I go slightly more on the side of killing him.

 

I like how the combination of this and the last decision can change the narrative of the game. Does he kill him, take the partial satisfaction that gave him and continue with the hot blooded killing and get revenge? Does he kill him, realise trying to get revenge isn't the answer and try going with the deal? Does he spare him, feel happy with his choice and continue trying to be peaceful by taking the deal? Or does he spare him, regret missing his chance and then take it the next time he has the chance to get revenge on someone? Or you can separate the two choices and see the final one as something he decides based purely on logic (ie which will put him in a better/safer position). Or you can see him as so broken/numb after confronting Darko that he's in no fit state to be making a choice and is just going on gut instinct or saying f*ck it feeling like he has nothing to lose. A whole load of different interesting narratives.

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Night walker
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I like Deal ending more cinematic & feel so satisfying ending Dimitri while watching him suffer.Organized crime always has a price to pay.Either small or bifg you are not going to be happy in the end.Really love live lesson from GTA 4.

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Shauny7488
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Spare Darko, revenge feels right to me, isnt it interesting how in GTA 4, sparing people you have the option of killing is almost always the best choice, but in 5 theres no benefit to sparing people most of the time

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