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Stannard96

Sad reflections nearly a year on

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jje1000
10 hours ago, Emmi said:

That this artbook is likely never going to see the light of day is a huge disappointment, the description from the leaked amazon listing for it sounded so awesome. I wanted to see all that concept art and wanted to read more about the development of this amazing game!

TBH, most of Rockstar's concept art is rather plain as they mostly use real references (never really have seen any spectacular pieces)- but I was looking forward more to the character development sections (i.e. seeing how they developed Arthur and what he could have turned out as), as well as some additional context to the plot/background details that could have been left out in the final release- basically I hoped that the concept art book would act as an appendix to the game.

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Red Hardbro

Still no Got Dam n Director Mode and we are approaching a year since release. What are they doing if we aren’t getting singleplayer dlc let’s us make our own stories Christ!!

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Stannard96
On 7/13/2019 at 7:46 PM, Rusty James said:

It gets a bit tiring reading the same dumb argument over and over in this forum. It's okay to prefer the New Austin area, but saying the rest of the map lacks a western feel just shows your ignorance of the genre.

I understand it’s a broad genre, I just felt like they were pushing it even in that respect with the air balloon mission, the stranger missions with the scientist, and of course the Guama chapter. Not to mention the honking great big industrial city.

 

In all of this, the Western “feeling” was eventually mostly lost on me, and I’m sorry if that bothers you but it’s a valid opinion 👍

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Stannard96
On 7/13/2019 at 9:51 PM, GinsengElixir said:

There are different types of westerns. RDR2 is still distinctly western...I mean, watch Unforgiven for example.

 

People are just wanting both tbh. The Spaghetti Western vibe of New Austin was so cool and since it was included in sp, I guess people just wanted to see it in sp and not just in a dull epilogue.

 

I loved the settings in Rdr2, it suited the game so well. I can live without new Austin and nuevo but I can definitely live without Guarma. 

I also love the setting I’m afraid (Other than Saint Denis). Absolutely love the heartlands and the grizzlies especially, and Valentine is a thing of beauty. You’ve missed my point!

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tonko
1 hour ago, Stannard96 said:

I also love the setting I’m afraid (Other than Saint Denis). Absolutely love the heartlands and the grizzlies especially, and Valentine is a thing of beauty. You’ve missed my point!

I dislike St. Denis so much. I never go there.

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Jabalous
19 minutes ago, tonko said:

I dislike St. Denis so much. I never go there.

The same. It's a reinforcement of Arthur's personality in not wanting to being close to that 'civilization'. However, I like exploring the bayou and swamps from time to time as it has its very unique atmosphere, and my favorite background music are the tracks that exclusively play in the swamps and Scarlett Meadows. 

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Stannard96

To clarify, because I think some people misunderstood me; my issue isn’t with the setting, in fact I think the world (barring St Denis and Guama) is, along with the characters, the strongest aspect of the game. I found the majority of the world perfectly western, and I love exploring it on horseback.

 

My issue is with the writing/storytelling, which I feel was slightly outrageous and sometimes completely un-western. I also think the action was more often than not totally over the top and made me feel like I was being pandered to.

 

But for the record I would still say I love RDR2, I’m just left frustrated because like I said I think it had the bones to be something really special, maybe on par with the original. But they took some decisions which I think to many of us find hard to understand/accept, and in my opinion for those reasons it falls short of its classic predecessor by some margin.

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Stannard96
On 7/13/2019 at 7:46 PM, Rusty James said:

It gets a bit tiring reading the same dumb argument over and over in this forum. It's okay to prefer the New Austin area, but saying the rest of the map lacks a western feel just shows your ignorance of the genre.

Please read properly next time before you reply with some pretentious BS 👍

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Jason

re: people saying it didn't feel like a western being "dumb"

 

Westerns in 2019 are niche, western films and shows are few and far between, games are even rarer. For a lot of people when they think of westerns they think arid landscapes, cowboys, duster coats, small towns etc, not lush forests and swamps, big, industrial cities and things like that.

 

If you're a hardcore fan of westerns you'll have undoubtedly read, watched or listened to stories about westerns in these settings but a lot of people have not. That doesn't make them dumb or wrong it just means their experiences with the genre are not the same as yours, so leave that sh*t namecalling at the door please and thank you.

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Rusty James
2 hours ago, Stannard96 said:

Please read properly next time before you reply with some pretentious BS 👍

 

5 hours ago, Stannard96 said:

I understand it’s a broad genre, I just felt like they were pushing it even in that respect with the air balloon mission, the stranger missions with the scientist, and of course the Guama chapter. Not to mention the honking great big industrial city.

 

In all of this, the Western “feeling” was eventually mostly lost on me, and I’m sorry if that bothers you but it’s a valid opinion 👍

Why did you answer the same reply with two different answers?🤔

Aside from the scientist missions and Guarma almost all the tropes within the game have been explored in western novels/films. Whether you like it or not it's irrelevant because they have have precedent in the western genre. Also no need to be offended, I said "dumb argument", which is not the same as calling you dumb. You merely haven't watched and read the same amount of western films and books as I have.

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GinsengElixir
14 minutes ago, Rusty James said:

 

Why did you answer the same reply with two different answers?🤔

Aside from the scientist missions and Guarma almost all the tropes within the game have been explored in western novels/films. Whether you like it or not it's irrelevant because they have have precedent in the western genre. Also no need to be offended, I said "dumb argument", which is not the same as calling you dumb. You merely haven't watched and read the same amount of western films and books as I have.

Read Lonseome Dove?

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Stannard96
38 minutes ago, Rusty James said:

 

Why did you answer the same reply with two different answers?🤔

Aside from the scientist missions and Guarma almost all the tropes within the game have been explored in western novels/films. Whether you like it or not it's irrelevant because they have have precedent in the western genre. Also no need to be offended, I said "dumb argument", which is not the same as calling you dumb. You merely haven't watched and read the same amount of western films and books as I have.

Lmao ok big man. Sorry my critique of the game hurt your feelings 😆

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Rusty James
7 hours ago, Stannard96 said:

Lmao ok big man. Sorry my critique of the game hurt your feelings 😆

Lol yeah I'm the snowflake that got his jimmies rustled because someone called me out on my lack of knowledge.
I don't get why you are taking what I said as an insult, but whatever floats your boat.

 

8 hours ago, GinsengElixir said:

Read Lonseome Dove?

I read almost every book written by Larry McMurtry.

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Stannard96
7 hours ago, Rusty James said:

Lol yeah I'm the snowflake that got his jimmies rustled because someone called me out on my lack of knowledge.
I don't get why you are taking what I said as an insult, but whatever floats your boat.

 

I read almost every book written by Larry McMurtry.

Whatever. There’s just better, more grown up ways of disagreeing with somebody ok.

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Smokewood

Whoever said this game was a western anyway?

 

America, 1899. The end of the Wild West era has begun. After a robbery goes badly wrong in the western town of Blackwater, Arthur Morgan and the Van der Linde gang are forced to flee. With federal agents and the best bounty hunters in the nation massing on their heels, the gang must rob, steal and fight their way across the rugged heartland of America in order to survive. As deepening internal divisions threaten to tear the gang apart, Arthur must make a choice between his own ideals and loyalty to the gang who raised him.

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Rusty James
6 hours ago, Stannard96 said:

Whatever. There’s just better, more grown up ways of disagreeing with somebody ok.

I'll try to be more politically correct next time.

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TheOriginalGunslinger

I honestly loved the Guarma part. Dutch got his taste of a so-called paradise and it wasn’t so pleasant. :lol:

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Darealbandicoot
On 7/15/2019 at 3:06 AM, Red Hardbro said:

Still no Got Dam n Director Mode and we are approaching a year since release. What are they doing if we aren’t getting singleplayer dlc let’s us make our own stories Christ!!

Your gonna be able to make your own stories soon boah.... with the role play update for Red Dead Online boah, its catered to single player players boah. What more do you want boah. 

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LeonVegaSuarez

I still play the game nearly everyday. Just love to freeroam, hunt, fish, rob people. It's like a 1899 sim to me. 

 

Absolutely love the map and gameplay. 

 

The story could've been better and my main issue is that Arthur can't go to New Austin so we can't never really experience a real "western" landscape with him.

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gonnaenodaethat

I blame the third rate holyrood wannabe scriptwriters............🤠

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Stannard96
On 7/16/2019 at 2:52 PM, Rusty James said:

I'll try to be more politically correct next time.

lol 😴 nothing to do with being politically correct, everything to do with being an asshole

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Rusty James
18 hours ago, Stannard96 said:

lol 😴 nothing to do with being politically correct, everything to do with being an asshole

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GinsengElixir

Damn, can you two get a room or something..

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BowdonUK

I was disappointed in the game part. TBH I found it boring, so much so that I stopped playing half way through.

 

Riding through the world is good at first, but it eventually becomes like a chore. I know there is eventually fast travel, but that isn't true fast travel as you can be interrupted.

 

Maybe it might be better as a simulation, and I'll probably go back to it for that reason in the future. But as an actual game it wasn't on par with the first RDR imho.

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Emmi
3 hours ago, BowdonUK said:

Maybe it might be better as a simulation, and I'll probably go back to it for that reason in the future. But as an actual game it wasn't on par with the first RDR imho.

There is so much wrong with this sentence.

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DEERxBanshee

I found this game to be very refreshing and a lot more in depth as far as the single player goes compared to GTA V and most other games on the market. 

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ivarblaauw

I agree with some of you, but for me personally, while this is the game of the generation by a long shot, it lacks the western isolation vibe.

 

There is always a major location is within 5 minutes riding. While RDR1 had this as well, the drawdistance was entirely different. One felt like he/she was literally alone in the desert. In RDR2 the draw distance is near reality, which means that one can easily see 5+ miles. Because of this, you can see St. Denis from for example Blackwater. 

 

If they'll do a rerelease for next generation, which I really hope, for the love of god rescale the map atleast 2x, but preferably 3x. Make one be isolated again. It is a western map, not a call of duty map. I know it is wishful thinking, and probably it won't ever happen, but it would fix about 90% of the issues. 

 

Even for online it would fix missions. People finish missions within 5 minutes, and then they'll wait out 15 minutes before finishing. Make these wait outs not necessary, add much more land between locations, more enemies, more interesting locations, such as camps, shacks, native camps, creeks, caves and mines. 

 

Oh yeah, if this would happen: much more instant fast travel points, such as in online

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jje1000

A lot of the scale issues could be fixed by messing around with horse speeds, atmospheric haze and FOVs, especially at transition zones between regions or on top of mountains.

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TexasOdysseus

I had no problem with this not being a "traditional Western" in the hackneyed old Wild West sense....in fact, I'm glad they didn't fall into that trope. 

 

To the point of the ballooning, yeah, it seemed out of place in one sense, but also it was meant to show the contrast and conflict between modernity and not. Time marches on and all that. Men and their flying machines. It added to the character conflict internally in the sense that the world is moving rapidly and the gang wasn't. I suppose your appreciation of those moments depends on your perspective and how you let the story unfold. 

 

When St Denis was clearly a New Orleans fill-in, I knew this wasn't going to be the standard western thing, and I'm fine with that. 

 

Guarma remains awfully out of place though, especially since it was shoehorned in and can't be revisited in free play. R* developed that beautiful space but then didn't let us play with it. Such a shame. 

 

But the characters is what makes the "western" if you want to call it that...the strife of man vs man, man vs himself, man vs the world, an encroaching civilization that they really don't fit in with. RDR2 did that magnificently. 

On 7/15/2019 at 9:30 AM, Jason said:

re: people saying it didn't feel like a western being "dumb"

 

Westerns in 2019 are niche, western films and shows are few and far between, games are even rarer. For a lot of people when they think of westerns they think arid landscapes, cowboys, duster coats, small towns etc, not lush forests and swamps, big, industrial cities and things like that.

 

If you're a hardcore fan of westerns you'll have undoubtedly read, watched or listened to stories about westerns in these settings but a lot of people have not. That doesn't make them dumb or wrong it just means their experiences with the genre are not the same as yours, so leave that sh*t namecalling at the door please and thank you.

Well said...it's the CONCEPT of the Western, the aura, and all that, that matters. RDR2 achieved that I thought. 

 

The trite and overused tumbleweed, cactus desert western stuff is overdone...this was a massively refreshing departure from that but still maintained the sense of the wild. 

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ichizuzu

6 months? I couldn't get past 6 weeks. I really didn't like it and mostly because of the mission structure. Frankly, I didn't like the characters either and I thought the story was garbage and mishandled.

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