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Lee Everett

Rank All The Main GTA Protagonists In Terms Of Fighting. (GTA Online Protagonists Are Optional)

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Victor Vance.

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well i did my all GTA playtrough again so i`d say it`s like that according to some protag`s physique, background and fighting skills;

 

1.) Niko or Vic

 

2.)Vic or Niko

 

3.) Luis Lopez

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KingAJ032304

Alright so I changed it and it's now more accurate in my opinion and everyone is in their greatest possible prime:

Niko Bellic

Victor Vance

Carl Johnson

Huang Lee 

Luis Fernando Lopez

Trevor Philips

Tommy Vercetti

Johnathan Klebitz

Franklin Clinton

Claude

Male GTA Online Protagonist

Female GTA Online Protagonist

Toni Cipriani

Claude Speed

Mike

Michael De Santa 

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DirtCheap

More like you're rating your favorite GTA protagonists.

 

How is CJ that low? He can learn all them moves at the gym and there are many parts in the game where you need muscle e.g. for sex appeal in order to advance the heist missions and  for respect in order to be an OG. He starts off the game with a bit of muscle, and it's almost impossible to have no muscle when playing the story. He is told to go there at the start (we can assume he goes there often as a result), and you are forced to go there if you become fat. If anything, you're just trying to show you dislike SA. There is no other explanation to this nonsense.

 

I get Niko, Vic, Lee and Luis being at the top (as the first 2 have military experience, Lee knows martial arts, and Luis is a cage fighter), but how is Trevor that lower? He literally has military experience.

 

How in the world is Tommy more stronger than him? Show me proof of Tommy being stronger than Trevor. Or better yet, show me proof he's stronger than Franklin, a guy who can knock people out with once punch

 

Why is Johnny above Trevor? Did you see what Trevor did to that biker? Jesus. How can you put a guy that got beat to death above the guy who did the beating? Now to be fair, Johnny does have the same moves as Niko and Luis, but then again, you can't deny what happened to Johnny. Trevor clearly beat him, there's no point in acting like it never happened.

 

How is Michael the lowest? He is shown kicking ass many times in the story. I'm no fan of Michael, but this is just some strong bias.

 

Claude Speed can't fight, you know that right? In GTA 2, fighting is omitted.

 

You did research for like on point above, but clearly not for the rest.

 

I don't mean to come off as some diehard fanboy, but do some research dude. This is embarrassing.

 

 

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1 hour ago, DirtCheap said:

More like you're rating your favorite GTA protagonists.

 

How is CJ that low? He can learn all them moves at the gym and there are many parts in the game where you need muscle e.g. for sex appeal in order to advance the heist missions and  for respect in order to be an OG. He starts off the game with a bit of muscle, and it's almost impossible to have no muscle when playing the story. He is told to go there at the start (we can assume he goes there often as a result), and you are forced to go there if you become fat. If anything, you're just trying to show you dislike SA. There is no other explanation to this nonsense.

 

I get Niko, Vic, Lee and Luis being at the top (as the first 2 have military experience, Lee knows martial arts, and Luis is a cage fighter), but how is Trevor that lower? He literally has military experience.

 

How in the world is Tommy more stronger than him? Show me proof of Tommy being stronger than Trevor. Or better yet, show me proof he's stronger than Franklin, a guy who can knock people out with once punch

 

Why is Johnny above Trevor? Did you see what Trevor did to that biker? Jesus. How can you put a guy that got beat to death above the guy who did the beating? Now to be fair, Johnny does have the same moves as Niko and Luis, but then again, you can't deny what happened to Johnny. Trevor clearly beat him, there's no point in acting like it never happened.

 

How is Michael the lowest? He is shown kicking ass many times in the story. I'm no fan of Michael, but this is just some strong bias.

 

Claude Speed can't fight, you know that right? In GTA 2, fighting is omitted.

 

You did research for like on point above, but clearly not for the rest.

 

I don't mean to come off as some diehard fanboy, but do some research dude. This is embarrassing.

 

 

Bruh I played all the GTAs and seen almost all the cutseens. I'm not doing favorites AT ALL (Michael btw is one of my favorite) but a problem is your confusing optional gameplay mechanics with actual feats (ex. Michael knocking out a dude with... a slap?) Anoyger problem is after you list the top 4 the rest just kind of blends in with each other and is really hard to rank. The hardest one is CJ. He was able to beat a master with a sword (somehow) but there are like no other times you can see him using his fighting skills. Him learning gym moves is NOT canon btw and him getting buff isn't canon either. I'm talking about default CJ. Honestly beyond Luis my decisions aren't final but I'm 100% positive that the 45 year old man named Michael who struggled to fight off Franklin and got hit with a bat and was rolling in pain and agony is the weakest. (Btw you still haven't ranked them.)

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On 7/7/2019 at 10:08 PM, KingAJ032304 said:

Bruh I played all the GTAs and seen almost all the cutseens. I'm not doing favorites AT ALL (Michael btw is one of my favorite) but a problem is your confusing optional gameplay mechanics with actual feats (ex. Michael knocking out a dude with... a slap?) Anoyger problem is after you list the top 4 the rest just kind of blends in with each other and is really hard to rank. The hardest one is CJ. He was able to beat a master with a sword (somehow) but there are like no other times you can see him using his fighting skills. Him learning gym moves is NOT canon btw and him getting buff isn't canon either. I'm talking about default CJ. Honestly beyond Luis my decisions aren't final but I'm 100% positive that the 45 year old man named Michael who struggled to fight off Franklin and got hit with a bat and was rolling in pain and agony is the weakest. (Btw you still haven't ranked them.)

 

Well I'd saying getting 100% in each GTA is canon, and seeing how learning all 3 moves from each gym is considered part of the 100% for SA, CJ being a great fighter is basically canon.

 

And Michael got hit with a bat, spat on, threatened, and was forced to commit a heist in the scene you mentioned. And he took it all like a champ. I dislike Michael, but you cannot deny that's pretty sick. Also, Ending C is canon (there's tons of evidence to show so, just look it up), so the bit with Frank never really happens.

 

If you want me to rank them, then I'll try.

 

 

  1. CJ (learns boxing, kung fu and Muay Thai)
  2. Niko (military experience)
  3. Luis (cage fighter)
  4. Lee (knows martial arts)
  5. Trevor (military experience; too emotional though, which is a major weakness)
  6. Vic (military experience; too stupid though, making me doubt he's experienced)
  7. Johnny (same fighting style as Niko and Luis; died like a bitch unfortunately)
  8. Michael (literally beats up guys he doesn't like; never really shows his strength properly though)
  9. Franklin (never really see him fighting; Ending B isn't canon, so him beating Michael never really happened)
  10. Tommy (never really see him use his fighting skills; this doesn't mean he's one of the weakest though)
  11. Claude (never see him fighting)
  12. Toni (I've never seen the guy fight; he's too much of a lapdog to care about his physique)

 

 

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Copcaller

Yeah cj should rank highly seeing as he learns three martial arts followed by niko then Lee then Vic then Luis then the V trio Trevor has Air Force training but his meth and temper are liabilities which could allow Franklin and Michael to overtake him everyone else falls behind

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iiCriminnaaL 49

Probably:

  1. Niko Bellic
  2. Vic Vance & Carl Johnson (Muay Thai fight style, LV's gym)
  3. Carl Johnson (Kung Fu fight style, SF's gym)
  4. Luis Lopez & Trevor Philips
  5. Carl Johnson (Boxing fight style, LS' gym)
  6. Johnny Klebitz
  7. Michael Townley & Carl Johnson (default fight style)

I can't decide about the other protagonists, especially since I don't remember seeing a scene nor even hearing anything about their fighting skills.

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tranceking26

This is too tough for me to even pick one. But CJ does have a choice of fighting styles, and I suppose his younger body may help him out.

 

Toni seems to be a little sloppy in my current play through of LCS.

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billiejoearmstrong8

Does Trevor really have military experience? Didn't he just want to be a pilot the airforce but failed to get in? Hardly the same as serving in the army. He should be high anyway though since he's very strong and can obviously handle himself, has being very aggressive, intimidating and unafraid as a fighting asset and literally has an invincible rage super power. Taking his age into account I think I'd say Niko, Luis, Vic, CJ and then him.

 

I think most of the rest are strong and fit and would fight well but Michael should be lowest since he's the oldest and by far the most out of shape (beating up a middle aged car salesman and Lazlow really doesn't count for much lol, not on board with the idea he'd be better at fighting than young, fit and not retired for 10 years street criminals or a cut throat mob dude just out of prison). And Johnny because he has a limp and just doesn't seem that fit. Doesn't mean they wouldn't be significantly better than the average person in a fight (I'm sure both of them would), it's just compared to the other protagonists.

 

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billiejoearmstrong8
18 hours ago, DirtCheap said:

 

Also, Ending C is canon (there's tons of evidence to show so, just look it up), so the bit with Frank never really happens.

 

 

Have Rockstar said it's canon? If not it isn't any more canon than A or B. There would be no point in including different endings if only one was canon.

 

Also this is a subjective question as there's several different ways that people might judge the characters' fighting abilities. There's the fighting mechanics of the particular game, the things we see them do in the game, but also how strong/fit they appear to be, what experience they have and what character/personality traits they have that might be a fighting advantage, and just the overall perception of the character. There's room for debate and it's not an "any order is equally valid" thing but there's not actually one definitive perfect correct order.

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Eugene H. Krabs
21 hours ago, DirtCheap said:

Why is Johnny above Trevor? Did you see what Trevor did to that biker? Jesus. How can you put a guy that got beat to death above the guy who did the beating? Now to be fair, Johnny does have the same moves as Niko and Luis, but then again, you can't deny what happened to Johnny. Trevor clearly beat him, there's no point in acting like it never happened.

I mean to be fair, that was only because John boy was weakened from meth

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TheSantader25

1.Niko Bellic

2.Carl Johnson

3.Luis Lopes

4.Trevor Philips

5.Vic Vance

6.Tommy Vercetti

7.Franklin Clinton

8.Toni Cipriani

9.Michael De Santa

10.Johnny Klebitz(Even without Meth) 

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Eugene H. Krabs
27 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Does Trevor really have military experience?

No. He got kicked out of the Air Force before even receiving proper training, which, like you said, is a completely different story from serving in the army, so he's just a really really mad junkie instead of some ex-freedom fighter at the end of the day. Even if he was in the army, his moves are still the same as the rest of the trio. But then again you can say the same for Johnny and Luis

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Just now, Eugene H. Krabs said:

No. He got kicked out of the Air Force before even receiving proper training, which, like you said, is a completely different story from serving in the army, so he's just a really really mad junkie instead of some ex-freedom fighter at the end of the day. Even if he was in the army, his moves are still the same as the rest of the trio. But then again you can say the same for Johnny and Luis

Yeah he's pretty trim though and he's got that meth head rage. I know the guys in IV and V have the same moves as each other (although Trevor has one extra move - headbutt - and he has his special ability so he's got a slight edge there) but I'd say we can take other factors into account.

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KingAJ032304
1 hour ago, TheSantader25 said:

1.Niko Bellic

2.Carl Johnson

3.Luis Lopes

4.Trevor Philips

5.Vic Vance

6.Tommy Vercetti

7.Franklin Clinton

8.Toni Cipriani

9.Michael De Santa

10.Johnny Klebitz(Even without Meth) 

How is Luis and Trevor better than Vic? Also Johnny in his prime had constant ring fights in his clubhouse and already was a beefy dude so he should ATLEAST be above Michael.

 

 

Alright I changed it now to be more accurate!

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TheSantader25
1 hour ago, KingAJ032304 said:

How is Luis and Trevor better than Vic? Also Johnny in his prime had constant ring fights in his clubhouse and already was a beefy dude so he should ATLEAST be above Michael.

 

 

Alright I changed it now to be more accurate!

Because they aren't pussies. 

 

We never see Johnny in his prime so he can go to hell. One might say that Michael was better in his "prime" as well. 

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DirtCheap
7 hours ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Have Rockstar said it's canon? If not it isn't any more canon than A or B. There would be no point in including different endings if only one was canon.

 

Also this is a subjective question as there's several different ways that people might judge the characters' fighting abilities. There's the fighting mechanics of the particular game, the things we see them do in the game, but also how strong/fit they appear to be, what experience they have and what character/personality traits they have that might be a fighting advantage, and just the overall perception of the character. There's room for debate and it's not an "any order is equally valid" thing but there's not actually one definitive perfect correct order.

 Well I mean think about it. This ending is a classic GTA ending where the protagonist defeats an antagonist. Not to mention there are many perks you get with it, so this is really the RIGHT choice.

 

Also there's official artwork for it:

 Image result for gta v the trunk

 

 

7 hours ago, Eugene H. Krabs said:

I mean to be fair, that was only because John boy was weakened from meth

 

He was full of testosterone trying to get Trevor to fight him. Why did this big man attitude disappear once he had Trevor's attention? I understand where you could be coming from, but he died like a bitch, and that is unforgivable.

 

If anything, this is worst R* has done to butcher a previous GTA character (try change my mind).

 

 

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Eugene H. Krabs
3 minutes ago, DirtCheap said:

 If anything, this is worst R* has done to butcher a previous GTA character (try change my mind).

Yeah, I agree. And what makes it even more dumber is that The Lost had NO reason to be all the way in the West Coast. It would've made more sense if it was the AoD since it's been explicitly stated a few times that they have numerous chapters across the world, but alas, R* said "lol no" to that and gave us a poorly written death

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Algonquin Assassin

1) Niko

2) Luis

3) Vic

4)Trevor

5) Huang Lee

6) Franklin

7) Michael

8 ) Tommy

9) Claude

9)Johnny

10) CJ

11) Toni

 

I've tried to base my list as much as possible on the protagonist's built in experience as what forms their backstory hence why Niko and Luis are so high up because Niko was trained in MMA and Luis has experience in caged fighting .As much as it pains me to put Johnny that low as I really like him he doesn't have much experience in hand to hand combat persay.

 

I would've been inclined to rank CJ higher if the skills he learns were already built into his moveset, but IMO it's unfair since he's the only protagonist that can actually learn different fighting moves and it's an optional gameplay mechanic anyway that has no bearing on his backstory or pre-defined skills. The "default" CJ is a scrawny weakling and that's what I base CJ on. The only reason I rank Toni even lower is I don't remember his character very much and what experience he had.

 

If I were to look at this purely on gameplay mechanics (forgetting about who has what experience) then it would be a very different looking list.as the only games I feel that have satisfying melee mechanics in that regard are GTA IV/EFLC and San Andreas.

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8 hours ago, TheSantader25 said:

Because they aren't pussies. 

 

We never see Johnny in his prime so he can go to hell. One might say that Michael was better in his "prime" as well. 

Prime Michael would be a beast he played football and did a prison stint 

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  1. Niko Bellic
  2. Victor Vance
  3. Carl Johnson
  4. Luis Lopez
  5. Huang Lee
  6. Tommy Vercetti
  7. Trevor Philips
  8. Johnny Klebitz
  9. Claude
  10. Franklin Clinton
  11. Michael De Santa
  12. Toni Cipriani
  13. Mike
  14. GTA 1 protagonists/Claude Speed (all their punches do is just send people to the floor for a few seconds, and then they get back up. Their punches NEVER kill)
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Max.pain

franklin beating michael is pretty normal the guy was too old to fight a guy like frank and do not forget african americans mostly stronger than other races

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José_Sócrates

Hey, I'm not sure, but doesn't Luis have some military experience besides cage fighting? Judging by the picture in his safehouse.

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KingAJ032304
4 hours ago, José_Sócrates said:

Hey, I'm not sure, but doesn't Luis have some military experience besides cage fighting? Judging by the picture in his safehouse.

He also kicked guns put people's hands and twist wrists in the actual story cutseens

 

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Rajaraja
  1. Luis Lopez
  2. Niko Bellic/Victor Vance
  3. Huang Lee
  4. Johnny Klebitz
  5. Franklin Clinton
  6. Claude
  7. Trevor Philips 
  8. Tommy Vercetti/Toni Cipriani/Carl Johnson
  9. Michael de Santa

 

Idk who would be better out of Niko and Vic. Both were soldiers, but Niko being a child soldier would not have received proper training and his skills would've most probably come out of his experience. Vic underwent training, but never saw action. Huang Lee knows martial arts, but he's too brawny to stand a chance against anyone above. Johnny is pure muscle. There's nothing remarkable about Tommy, Toni and CJ. CJ's young age compensates for his scrawniness. Michael is probably the most uselss at hand-to-hand combat in the series. Trevor is a middle aged meth addict, but he is probably the most likely to fight the dirtiest and has his "rage mode".

 

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2 hours ago, Rajaraja said:
  1. Luis Lopez
  2. Niko Bellic/Victor Vance
  3. Huang Lee
  4. Johnny Klebitz
  5. Franklin Clinton
  6. Claude
  7. Trevor Philips 
  8. Tommy Vercetti/Toni Cipriani/Carl Johnson
  9. Michael de Santa

 

Idk who would be better out of Niko and Vic. Both were soldiers, but Niko being a child soldier would not have received proper training and his skills would've most probably come out of his experience. Vic underwent training, but never saw action. Huang Lee knows martial arts, but he's too brawny to stand a chance against anyone above. Johnny is pure muscle. There's nothing remarkable about Tommy, Toni and CJ. CJ's young age compensates for his scrawniness. Michael is probably the most uselss at hand-to-hand combat in the series. Trevor is a middle aged meth addict, but he is probably the most likely to fight the dirtiest and has his "rage mode".

 

Wait was putting Luis 1st on purpose or on accident?

13 hours ago, SonOfLiberty said:

1) Niko

2) Luis

3) Vic

4)Trevor

5) Huang Lee

6) Franklin

7) Michael

8 ) Tommy

9) Claude

9)Johnny

10) CJ

11) Toni

 

I've tried to base my list as much as possible on the protagonist's built in experience as what forms their backstory hence why Niko and Luis are so high up because Niko was trained in MMA and Luis has experience in caged fighting .As much as it pains me to put Johnny that low as I really like him he doesn't have much experience in hand to hand combat persay.

 

I would've been inclined to rank CJ higher if the skills he learns were already built into his moveset, but IMO it's unfair since he's the only protagonist that can actually learn different fighting moves and it's an optional gameplay mechanic anyway that has no bearing on his backstory or pre-defined skills. The "default" CJ is a scrawny weakling and that's what I base CJ on. The only reason I rank Toni even lower is I don't remember his character very much and what experience he had.

 

If I were to look at this purely on gameplay mechanics (forgetting about who has what experience) then it would be a very different looking list.as the only games I feel that have satisfying melee mechanics in that regard are GTA IV/EFLC and San Andreas.

Don't forget gta vcs melee mechanics to snap necks do light punches, heavy punches, tackle people, throw people, and make effective combo moves. Imo it has the best melee system of all gtas with the two you listed coming shortly after.

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8 hours ago, José_Sócrates said:

Hey, I'm not sure, but doesn't Luis have some military experience besides cage fighting? Judging by the picture in his safehouse.

That's his deadbeat dad

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3 hours ago, Rajaraja said:

Huang Lee knows martial arts, but he's too brawny to stand a chance against anyone above.

Not necessarily. Size does matter in a fight, but if one is well trained enough in martial arts, they could stand a chance. Bruce Lee for example could just as well take on an MMA fighter with a bit of preparation, and he was very lean in his body. Having said that, to be on that level of good would require great discipline and dedication. Such qualities would make someone very unlikely to become like a street criminal like a GTA protagonist, so obviously in this whole situation you're probably right, but let us not underestimate Huang. Then again I have never played Chinatown Wars really so I can't judge his character.

 

13 hours ago, SonOfLiberty said:

Niko was trained in MMA

Being a bit nit-picky, I know, but I don't think Niko was trained in MMA. By the looks of him being able to disarm knives and break Dardan's arm, I'd say the closest martial art he knows is Krav Maga, one used by Isreali soldiers (perhaps by a few more too) with a certain emphasis on knife defense techniques (bar of course the best technique known as running away). Now Niko has war experience and was able to disarm a knife easily in story mode without getting a scratch. Such skill would require lots of experience given that most people, even when trained to a high standard, would still get cut doing such a thing. So with that, he'd still probably rank very highly. Being a soldier rather than a martial artist would make him much more deadly given he was a trained killer more than a trained fighter. Niko vs Huang would be a good fight though I must admit.

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7 minutes ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

Not necessarily. Size does matter in a fight, but if one is well trained enough in martial arts, they could stand a chance. Bruce Lee for example could just as well take on an MMA fighter with a bit of preparation, and he was very lean in his body. Having said that, to be on that level of good would require great discipline and dedication. Such qualities would make someone very unlikely to become like a street criminal like a GTA protagonist, so obviously in this whole situation you're probably right, but let us not underestimate Huang. Then again I have never played Chinatown Wars really so I can't judge his character.

 

Being a bit nit-picky, I know, but I don't think Niko was trained in MMA. By the looks of him being able to disarm knives and break Dardan's arm, I'd say the closest martial art he knows is Krav Maga, one used by Isreali soldiers (perhaps by a few more too) with a certain emphasis on knife defense techniques (bar of course the best technique known as running away). Now Niko has war experience and was able to disarm a knife easily in story mode without getting a scratch. Such skill would require lots of experience given that most people, even when trained to a high standard, would still get cut doing such a thing. So with that, he'd still probably rank very highly. Being a soldier rather than a martial artist would make him much more deadly given he was a trained killer more than a trained fighter. Niko vs Huang would be a good fight though I must admit.

Don't forget when he broke Brucie's arm so casually and had him yelling in pain lol

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