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Smokewood

Story lines that were never resolved???

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Smokewood

Or did I just miss it?

 

  • The daughter in the window at Emerald Ranch.
  • The cheating sherif in Valentine.

 

Just 2 examples and I am sure there are lots more.....

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Alexlecj

From the main storyline, I'd say the exact fate of Karen Jones.

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The FoolYT

I don't believe you missed it, it simply don't exist. Most likely they layed the foundations for the some stories but never ended up finishing it. I recall there being an article ingame about a princess or something being kidnapped? That didn't really lead anywhere. Maybe R* is trying to show that not every story has a conclusion lol or they just got lazy/ran out of time.

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Smokewood
1 hour ago, The FoolYT said:

I don't believe you missed it, it simply don't exist. Most likely they layed the foundations for the some stories but never ended up finishing it. I recall there being an article ingame about a princess or something being kidnapped? That didn't really lead anywhere. Maybe R* is trying to show that not every story has a conclusion lol or they just got lazy/ran out of time.

The princess has been found...... BTW

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Dan390
9 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

The princess has been found...... BTW

do tell

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coach_wargo
1 hour ago, Dan390 said:

do tell

I'm sorry, but the princess is in another castle.

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UnexpectedParole

The Mayor of Strawberry is another dead end story. "If you are going to spend much time there look into the mayor".. then nada.

 

And I have seen plenty of posts that say the princess has been found. But nothing they link to proves anything. Or even clears the threshold I would consider mere speculation.

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JupeShot92
Posted (edited)

The girl at Emerald ranch has been solved, you can find a letter in an abandoned postal carriage near fort wallace that reveals that her name is Mirriam Wegner and that she was dating a boy named Joshua Burgess who died in a "horrible way." On the ranch there is an abandoned saloon with bullet holes and bloodstains and nearby is Joshua's grave. It says he was accidentally shot but it's implied that Mirriam's father killed him and covered it up and then forbade her from leaving the house. 

 

I believe the missing princess has been found as well. There is a prostitute in the Van Horn saloon who has the exact same haircut as her which nobody else in the game has. Others disagree that it's her because it's kind of an anti-climax but I think if she was somewhere else she would have been found by now. 

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crazedZ10

They never really tell us what happens to the Skinner's and del Lobo gang, though I believe the del Lobo's are part of the online story I think, so maybe that's answered there.

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Asphyxia
On 7/3/2019 at 5:04 PM, UnexpectedParole said:

The Mayor of Strawberry is another dead end story. "If you are going to spend much time there look into the mayor".. then nada.

 

And I have seen plenty of posts that say the princess has been found. But nothing they link to proves anything. Or even clears the threshold I would consider mere speculation.

The Mayor's story was a letdown. You basically loot him, and find a letter stating he's gay. That's it.

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McBando

Didn't Arthur give that black broad in the camp the sack full of money they got from the train robbery when she was smuggling Abigail and Jack out away from the camp, or am I tripping? 

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horns

Who the hell is Gavin and what happened to Karen?

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UnexpectedParole
20 hours ago, Asphyxia said:

The Mayor's story was a letdown. You basically loot him, and find a letter stating he's gay. That's it.

Ok. Yes that is very much a letdown.  Plenty of opportunity to be a story of corrupt stealing / embezzling funds from the town or investors or land schemes or whatever.

 

And we decide his ' secret story' is that he likes men? Lame.

 

How did you come down to looting him by the way? Straight up just beat him up or shoot him or what?

 

 

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On 8/8/2019 at 2:23 PM, UnexpectedParole said:

Ok. Yes that is very much a letdown.  Plenty of opportunity to be a story of corrupt stealing / embezzling funds from the town or investors or land schemes or whatever.

 

And we decide his ' secret story' is that he likes men? Lame.

 

How did you come down to looting him by the way? Straight up just beat him up or shoot him or what?

 

 

Shoot him, knock him out, tie him up, whatever you've gotta do. I haven't done it myself but a friend of mine informed me.

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UnexpectedParole
2 hours ago, Asphyxia said:

Shoot him, knock him out, tie him up, whatever you've gotta do. I haven't done it myself but a friend of mine informed me.

I was just checking that it wasn't involved in something else I've missed.  If it is strictly go to him to find out, then fair enough.

 

If it were, "You run into him during x" then that would be another thing to look for.  I'll slot that into my list of things to do, at the appropriate slot.

 

cheers

On 8/8/2019 at 12:35 AM, McBando said:

Didn't Arthur give that black broad in the camp the sack full of money they got from the train robbery when she was smuggling Abigail and Jack out away from the camp, or am I tripping? 

I believe Arthur gave Tilly some money for them to run with when she was to take Jack and Abigail away. Why do you ask?

Do you feel like that story line didn't get played out?

 

Since Tilly is shown later in fancy clothes with a well-dressed husband and child I assumed she used at least some of the money to get herself established as honest in St. Denis. 

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13 hours ago, UnexpectedParole said:

 

I believe Arthur gave Tilly some money for them to run with when she was to take Jack and Abigail away. Why do you ask?

Do you feel like that story line didn't get played out?

 

Since Tilly is shown later in fancy clothes with a well-dressed husband and child I assumed she used at least some of the money to get herself established as honest in St. Denis. 

The money he gave her was directly one of the huge bags of cash stolen from the last heist. Had to be big big money in there, yet the Marstons were dead broke and on the run. If Tilly actually kept the money and didn't help them out, that's messed up. Otherwise big oversight lol

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UnexpectedParole
On 8/10/2019 at 5:21 AM, McBando said:

The money he gave her was directly one of the huge bags of cash stolen from the last heist. Had to be big big money in there, yet the Marstons were dead broke and on the run. If Tilly actually kept the money and didn't help them out, that's messed up. Otherwise big oversight lol

I haven't played in a bit so I don't recall the scene fully. I also thought it was a big bag direct from the heist. But wasn't Abigail there to see Tilly get it from Arthur. There is no way that she would let Tilly run off with it without sharing. Don't poke momma bear.

 

I don't think John and Abigail were great with money, and he didn't have real marketable skills so I suspect they tried to live off it. I also suspect they tried several investment or business opportunities that didn't pay out.  How many millionaire sports figures go broke today in a short time by putting their money into something they knew nothing about?  Also, even if a business was going well if John's cover was blown and they had to run away in the middle of the night, how much of that investment do you think was recoverable? I believe John probably has left a string of ex-partners behind whom have benefited from that money and the slip up that he was wanted..

 

Also, weren't John and Abigail were robbed prior to the epilogue? That might have been the last of it ?

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RJX74

The newspapers mentioned that the law was tipped off about the train robbery. John will comment that it was a setup, and if you go back to camp, Arthur tells Dutch the same thing. There was a beta rat at some point which got discarded. It might have been Sean, cause on his special activity, Arthur will comment that Sean forced himself on the job.

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UnexpectedParole
1 hour ago, RJX74 said:

The newspapers mentioned that the law was tipped off about the train robbery. John will comment that it was a setup, and if you go back to camp, Arthur tells Dutch the same thing. There was a beta rat at some point which got discarded. It might have been Sean, cause on his special activity, Arthur will comment that Sean forced himself on the job.

That is not how I recall the conversations going. -But it has been a while since I played that mission. I'll see if I can find a save close to that and replay it again.

 

I recall John asking if it were a set-up. And Arthur saying it was all a bunch of locals, so I didn't think he thought it was.

Even if it were a set-up I don't buy that it was Sean. It's true Sean forced himself on the Job. But since he did nothing to help with the trap, that makes it much less likely I think he ratted it out. Why not just rat them out and sit and home waiting for news to come in that they were captured or shot or what-not ?

 

 

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Deadman2112
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@Smokewood and @JupeShot92

 

The princess has been found?

Really?

So people still think that that old woman is supposedly that 20 year old princess?

 

...and she's only five feet away from her very own wanted poster?

 

... and in spite of only being a few feet away from her own wanted poster she chooses to live a life of squalor and sell her body instead of turning herself in and living in the lap of luxury as a princess?

 

...and the prostitute is also in the bar at the same time when some guy who says he's searching for her is only feet away, yet he doesn't recognize her?

 

...and if you try to bring this NPC to a sheriff's office "as instructed by the wanted poster", they reward you with a bullet?

 

Lol That's classic!!!

I actually laugh every time I hear that said. Clearly neither of you watch the video I posted about it in the possible missing princess lead thread.

 

Ok so, according to the wanted poster this is supposed to be a 20 year old princess who has birthmarks on her hands.

 

Click on the images and zoom up close.

 

This old woman is clearly not 20 years old...

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How do I know this for certain?

Well thats because the game gives clear examples of what a 20 year old looks like...

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...and @JupeShot92, I thought you said she's the only one in the game with hair like that?

Hmmm, apparently you haven't looked very hard.

 

 

Nor does this old busted prostitute have any birthmarks of any type, anywhere.

Especially not her hands...

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Yet the game clearly shows you that some characters do have birthmarks on their hands...

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...yes that's Mary Beth's hands.

 

So we know for a fact that this is not a detail that they would have overlooked. Yet in spite of all the evidence to the contrary you honestly believe that they would have left this Supper Important Detail off of the one character who is supposed to be her?

...but not forget to include them on another NPC found in the game?

 

Come on.

Really?

 

Lol

 

 

On 8/8/2019 at 1:23 PM, UnexpectedParole said:

How did you come down to looting him by the way? Straight up just beat him up or shoot him or what?

 

The easiest way I found to pull this off is, just to wait until he is finished with his speech in front of the hotel and when it's over he will go inside and walk to the second floor just outside of the room you can rent.

 

Once he's up there, no one can see you. Then simply hogtie him, loot him and leave. Now you have his letter without having to fight your way out of town.

 

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McAgent

John and Abigail's daughter was never brought up in the game - I guess that means that she was born and died in between 1907 and 1911, but the exact circumstances are still a mystery

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JupeShot92
On 8/13/2019 at 8:23 PM, Deadman2112 said:

@Smokewood and @JupeShot92

 

The princess has been found?

Really?

So people still think that that old woman is supposedly that 20 year old princess?

 

...and she's only five feet away from her very own wanted poster?

 

... and in spite of only being a few feet away from her own wanted poster she chooses to live a life of squalor and sell her body instead of turning herself in and living in the lap of luxury as a princess?

 

...and the prostitute is also in the bar at the same time when some guy who says he's searching for her is only feet away, yet he doesn't recognize her?

 

...and if you try to bring this NPC to a sheriff's office "as instructed by the wanted poster", they reward you with a bullet?

 

Lol That's classic!!!

I actually laugh every time I hear that said. Clearly neither of you watch the video I posted about it in the possible missing princess lead thread.

 

Ok so, according to the wanted poster this is supposed to be a 20 year old princess who has birthmarks on her hands.

 

Click on the images and zoom up close.

 

This old woman is clearly not 20 years old...

0_0.jpg

 

How do I know this for certain?

Well thats because the game gives clear examples of what a 20 year old looks like...

0_0.jpg

...and @JupeShot92, I thought you said she's the only one in the game with hair like that?

Hmmm, apparently you haven't looked very hard.

 

 

Nor does this old busted prostitute have any birthmarks of any type, anywhere.

Especially not her hands...

0_0.jpg

 

Yet the game clearly shows you that some characters do have birthmarks on their hands...

0_0.jpg

...yes that's Mary Beth's hands.

 

So we know for a fact that this is not a detail that they would have overlooked. Yet in spite of all the evidence to the contrary you honestly believe that they would have left this Supper Important Detail off of the one character who is supposed to be her?

...but not forget to include them on another NPC found in the game?

 

Come on.

Really?

 

Lol

Mary Beth's hair is not the same style as the princeess and it's not even the same colour. If Mary Beth was the missing princess and Rockstar went to the trouble of giving her the birthmarks on her hands why did they not also give her the birthmark on her face? Those red marks on her hands aren't necessarily birthmarks anyway. The reason why the prostitutes character model looks like that is because all the non important pedestrian character models look really rough. The reason why she doesn't have the birthmarks and why you can't hand her in to a sheriff is because Rockstar didn't put all that much effort into this particular mystery, it was clearly just a bit of added flavour to make Van Horn a little more interesting. Even if you're right though and Mary Beth is the real missing princess nothing ever comes of it anyway, so it can't have been that important to Rockstar. 

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13 hours ago, McAgent said:

John and Abigail's daughter was never brought up in the game - I guess that means that she was born and died in between 1907 and 1911, but the exact circumstances are still a mystery

After you beat the game you can sometimes find Abigail knitting at Beecher's Hope and if you talk to her John will ask her "Who are you knitting for?" and Abigail will reply "You'll see..." If you respond to her John will say "it would be nice to have someone new to knit for." I think the implication is that Abigail is pregnant and is knitting something for the baby. She must have died as an infant at some point in the four years before the first game. 

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4 hours ago, JupeShot92 said:

After you beat the game you can sometimes find Abigail knitting at Beecher's Hope and if you talk to her John will ask her "Who are you knitting for?" and Abigail will reply "You'll see..." If you respond to her John will say "it would be nice to have someone new to knit for." I think the implication is that Abigail is pregnant and is knitting something for the baby. She must have died as an infant at some point in the four years before the first game. 

I didn't get that dialogue....that's interesting because I have been wondering about John and Abigail's daughter, too.

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Cutter De Blanc
2 hours ago, Mrs. Marston said:

I didn't get that dialogue....that's interesting because I have been wondering about John and Abigail's daughter, too.

Didn't Javier say something about John's kids (plural) in the first game, implying he'd known about both of them?

 

Yup, just checked, at about 1:40 "I hope you and your wife and children rot in hell" 

 

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Deadman2112
On 8/15/2019 at 9:54 AM, JupeShot92 said:

Mary Beth's hair is not the same style as the princeess and it's not even the same colour. If Mary Beth was the missing princess and Rockstar went to the trouble of giving her the birthmarks on her hands why did they not also give her the birthmark on her face? 

 

Hair color and style are irrelevant because both can and often do change with time. For all we know she's had her head shaved or even dyed her hair another color.

 

However this is a video game and not real life so I'll give a little bit on that because they could have created it anyway they wanted.

...but for the record, that prostitute doesn't have the right color either.

 

 

Regarding a birthmark on her face...

How do you know they didn't put one?

Can you see past her freckles?

I know I can't.

 

I can tell you for sure that the prostitute doesn't have one on her face I showed that in my video.

 

...and we also know for a fact that Francis Sinclair and Baby Francis Sinclair, has a big red birthmark on his face.

So does the little redhead kid that you meet me at the river who eventually grows up and you meet as a Young Man and he still has the birthmark.

So that's 5 NPC models right there...

 

Yet you believe that they left this super important detail off of this particular NPC who is supposed to be the princess herself?

Wow. Ok lol.

 

 

On 8/15/2019 at 9:54 AM, JupeShot92 said:

Those red marks on her hands aren't necessarily birthmarks anyway.

 

Yeah. They could just be marks on her hands. However I think the simple fact that they put marks on her hands says it all, and nullifies that claim.

 

 

On 8/15/2019 at 9:54 AM, JupeShot92 said:

The reason why the prostitutes character model looks like that is because all the non important pedestrian character models look really rough.

 

IDK, I'd say they're quite a bit more than roughed-in considering the detail I've seen. I'm sure the artists and story creators who worked on this project would be absolutely offended by your opinion of their work.

 

 

Also I think you're overlooking a huge mistake in your own argument...

 

First you say that she isn't a random NPC by claiming she is the princess, but then contradict your own words by then saying that all the non important NPCs are simply roughed in.

 

Is she a one-off or a random NPC?

You can't have it both ways simply to suit your argument.

 

 

On 8/15/2019 at 9:54 AM, JupeShot92 said:

The reason why she doesn't have the birthmarks and why you can't hand her in to a sheriff is because Rockstar didn't put all that much effort into this particular mystery, it was clearly just a bit of added flavour to make Van Horn a little more interesting.

 

That's pure speculation.

No one knows that info for certain because Rockstar has never released anything saying as much. So you can't claim that as fact.

 

 

On 8/15/2019 at 9:54 AM, JupeShot92 said:

Even if you're right though and Mary Beth is the real missing princess nothing ever comes of it anyway, so it can't have been that important to Rockstar. 

 

I'm not saying definitively that Mary Beth is the princess but that's only because the game doesn't come right out and tell you. However I also believe it's called The Missing Princess Mystery.

Hence the reason why there are clues that need to be put together. Also, I will say that I think that she's a far better fit then that prostitute just based on age alone.

 

So yes, I do find her an intriguing person regarding this mystery. I think anyone who sees these facts would agree especially when you add in the following...

 

...That they put marks on her hand.

...That she's around the correct age.

...Does (in spite of some people's opinion) share a very similar hairstyle.

 

That said, I was using her as an example of what a 20 year old should look like and as proof that they would not have left this detail off of the one character who is supposed to be her if they show birthmarks on other NPCs, just like the other two NPCs that I mention.

 

At this point I would have to say you and anyone who agrees with this idea is blatantly ignoring the facts.

 

 

 

 

Here's a few unfinished storylines...

 

...The Mad preacher (Although I might be onto something regarding him.)

 

... The location of the third meteorite (Although I'm not sure that constitutes as a storyline.)

 

... The sun worshipper

 

 

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JupeShot92
On 8/15/2019 at 11:24 PM, Deadman2112 said:

 

Hair color and style are irrelevant because both can and often do change with time. For all we know she's had her head shaved or even dyed her hair another color.

 

However this is a video game and not real life so I'll give a little bit on that because they could have created it anyway they wanted.

...but for the record, that prostitute doesn't have the right color either.

 

 

Regarding a birthmark on her face...

How do you know they didn't put one?

Can you see past her freckles?

I know I can't.

 

I can tell you for sure that the prostitute doesn't have one on her face I showed that in my video.

 

...and we also know for a fact that Francis Sinclair and Baby Francis Sinclair, has a big red birthmark on his face.

So does the little redhead kid that you meet me at the river who eventually grows up and you meet as a Young Man and he still has the birthmark.

So that's 5 NPC models right there...

 

Yet you believe that they left this super important detail off of this particular NPC who is supposed to be the princess herself?

Wow. Ok lol.

 

 

 

Yeah. They could just be marks on her hands. However I think the simple fact that they put marks on her hands says it all, and nullifies that claim.

 

 

 

IDK, I'd say they're quite a bit more than roughed-in considering the detail I've seen. I'm sure the artists and story creators who worked on this project would be absolutely offended by your opinion of their work.

 

 

Also I think you're overlooking a huge mistake in your own argument...

 

First you say that she isn't a random NPC by claiming she is the princess, but then contradict your own words by then saying that all the non important NPCs are simply roughed in.

 

Is she a one-off or a random NPC?

You can't have it both ways simply to suit your argument.

 

 

 

That's pure speculation.

No one knows that info for certain because Rockstar has never released anything saying as much. So you can't claim that as fact.

 

 

 

I'm not saying definitively that Mary Beth is the princess but that's only because the game doesn't come right out and tell you. However I also believe it's called The Missing Princess Mystery.

Hence the reason why there are clues that need to be put together. Also, I will say that I think that she's a far better fit then that prostitute just based on age alone.

 

So yes, I do find her an intriguing person regarding this mystery. I think anyone who sees these facts would agree especially when you add in the following...

 

...That they put marks on her hand.

...That she's around the correct age.

...Does (in spite of some people's opinion) share a very similar hairstyle.

 

That said, I was using her as an example of what a 20 year old should look like and as proof that they would not have left this detail off of the one character who is supposed to be her if they show birthmarks on other NPCs, just like the other two NPCs that I mention.

 

At this point I would have to say you and anyone who agrees with this idea is blatantly ignoring the facts.

 

 

 

 

Here's a few unfinished storylines...

 

...The Mad preacher (Although I might be onto something regarding him.)

 

... The location of the third meteorite (Although I'm not sure that constitutes as a storyline.)

 

... The sun worshipper

 

 

I mentioned the hairstyle and colour because I thought you were saying that Mary Beth's was the same. If not her, who else has that missing princess' style? I've never seen anyone.

 

I'm saying she's a non important NPC and that she is the missing princess because as I said before I don't think Rockstar saw it as that important.

 

I really don't care how Rockstar would feel about my opinion that the pedestrian characters are really rough looking, I'm not saying that it's a flaw in the game, that's just the way they have to be to save on memory, I doubt they'd disagree. 

 

I just think all the clues point to her being in Van Horn and I don't know why she would be anywhere else. The guy you meet at that camp tells you to search Van Horn, her suitcase is found in the Van Horn fence and I think the poster on the Van Horn saloon was put up by the owners as an advert for the prostitute, like some kind of messed up tourist attraction. 

 

Also except for Hosea the gang has never been to New Hanover before so they can't have found Mary Beth there. The missing princess has clearly been there though and if it is Mary Beth don't you think she'd make some kind of comment about being there? Especially when you're at Beaver Hollow in such close proximity to Van Horn. If it was that important she would wouldn't she? 

 

 

On 8/15/2019 at 10:56 PM, Cutter De Blanc said:

Didn't Javier say something about John's kids (plural) in the first game, implying he'd known about both of them?

 

Yup, just checked, at about 1:40 "I hope you and your wife and children rot in hell" 

 

I wrote this whole DLC concept starring Javier and Bill and in it I showed a possible scenario of how Javier could find out that John had another kid. Its pretty much much my headcanon in terms of that mystery. 

 

https://gtaforums.com/topic/927081-dlc-concept-long/?tab=comments#comment-1070697213

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Deadman2112

Lol

Blah blah blah blah blah opinion opinion no fact...

blah blah blah opinion opinion no fact...

 

Prove this to me.

...and do so without your unproven opinions and speculations regarding the completion of this game.

 

 

 

 

Edited by Deadman2112

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JupeShot92
4 hours ago, Deadman2112 said:

Lol

Blah blah blah blah blah opinion opinion no fact...

blah blah blah opinion opinion no fact...

 

Prove this to me.

...and do so without your unproven opinions and speculations regarding the completion of this game.

 

 

 

 

Why are you so hostile about this? You don't know anymore than I do. 

Edited by JupeShot92

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Deadman2112

LOL first of all I am not hostile. Are you truly that sensitive, that a bit of directness and honesty bothers you so?

 

I'm simply sitting here dumbfounded over the idea that a 40+ year old (who by the way, lacks all the correct markings on her skin) is supposed to pass for a 20 year old.

 

Couple that with the fact that I'm trying to show you the errors in your own logic...

...you're basing all of this on your personal opinion about Rockstar's completion of something when you don't know that for certain.

 

...and you're also basing this on the things that can change like hair color and style, rather than look at the hard facts like marks on the skin, and age.

 

So yeah, I'm a little confused in that Arena.

 

You see police are trained, not to look at things like hair color and hairstyle because they know these things are easily disguised. Instead they go by distinguishing facts that you can't easily change like your height, weight, age, eye color, and marks on your skin.

 

I get that this is a video game and not real life but the people who created this video game do exist in real life and so it seems pretty evident that they base things on real life experiences.

 

I believe, that I can make this comment with a level of certainty because they give examples of people who age in the game and the spots on their skin still look the same even in spite of the fact that their overall appearance has changed with time.

 

...and I'd like to point out that you're not the only one who has made incorrect assumptions. I myself have made several regarding another NPC in this game.

 

That said, I'm glad you admit that you don't know. That's the whole point that I was trying to get across in the first place. Now maybe we can get back to actually trying to figure out who she is.

 

Regardless of what you may believe there are lots of us out there who value honesty over all else, because honesty gets right to the point and all of this other ridiculous banter isn't even necessary.

 

Anyway as I said before, thank you for at least finally being honest. Opinions and factual proof are two different things, and distinguishing between the two is truly important. Without that, it just leads to Blind arrogance, an incorrect assumptions.

 

 

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