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Defensive mode

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Norman_Greige

I've found that defensive mode makes you a target, especially for posses of players clearly bitter from leading unremarkable lives. If the posse is large, you have to try and get killed by everyone and parlay each player individually. If they allowed parlaying for an entire posse, it might help send the saddos on their way. Still annoying, but it'd be better.

 

Incidentally, pressing charges is useless, and reporting players can be abused. That said, if you're attacked in defensive and don't retaliate, it might be effective if you were able to select an individual player (or whole posse) to be "ghosted" to. That way, you get to treat the situation with more of a scalpel oand players who don't grief don't have to see ghosted players all over the place.

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Jason

Does parleying a posse member not parley for the whole posse? I coulda sworn that's how it has worked post-update, might be wrong tho.

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netnow66
Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, Jason said:

 A straight up PvE lobby at the moment would be pretty dead.

It all depends on what you want and expect from this game.

 

I and some others would welcome a PvE lobby with open arms. That's why many will settle for glitched solo/passive lobbies now, since it's the closest we can get.

 

Given the option of separate lobbies, I don't think the Defensive players would be crying so much, I think the Offensive players would.

Edited by netnow66

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Jason

I say that as someone with little to no interest in the games PvP as is, but PvE lobbies in the game right now would be horrible, really. They'd basically be hunting lobbies for the most part. I'm all for PvE lobbies if they implement them in a good way, but a good way isn't simply turning them on IMO. If we get PvE lobbies I want them to still retain that wild west feel of the current lobbies, basically have stuff like gangs roaming the streets of towns who can hunt you down, more cops and bigger shootouts against the law, more random events, more hideouts, challenging open-world missions, etc.

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Leftover Pizza
18 minutes ago, Jason said:

I say that as someone with little to no interest in the games PvP as is, but PvE lobbies in the game right now would be horrible, really. They'd basically be hunting lobbies for the most part. I'm all for PvE lobbies if they implement them in a good way, but a good way isn't simply turning them on IMO. If we get PvE lobbies I want them to still retain that wild west feel of the current lobbies, basically have stuff like gangs roaming the streets of towns who can hunt you down, more cops and bigger shootouts against the law, more random events, more hideouts, challenging open-world missions, etc.

 

PvE servers at this moment would suck loads, since there is indeed nothing to do but hunt and grind strangers. Everything you mention would be darn good and not too hard to get done either. Still, although I really want that all to happen, I am fairly sure that it will be too much effort with not enough return for Rockstar to actually get to work. Their current concept seems to work and decreased griefing by a truckload. So, Rockstar leans backwards in it's lazy chair to observe the revenue meter increasing again, or at least not dropping like a ton of bricks again.

 

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netnow66
Posted (edited)
43 minutes ago, Jason said:

I say that as someone with little to no interest in the games PvP as is, but PvE lobbies in the game right now would be horrible, really. They'd basically be hunting lobbies for the most part. I'm all for PvE lobbies if they implement them in a good way, but a good way isn't simply turning them on IMO. If we get PvE lobbies I want them to still retain that wild west feel of the current lobbies, basically have stuff like gangs roaming the streets of towns who can hunt you down, more cops and bigger shootouts against the law, more random events, more hideouts, challenging open-world missions, etc.

When I play in a glitched lobby, there are still gang hideouts, ambushes and those new random encounters where you help people. PvE lobbies that would still allow that are what some of us would settle for and that is enough of a wild west feel for some of us while we hunt and fish to grind our money.

 

A wild west feel for me doesn't have to include human griefers in any way, shape or form.

Edited by netnow66

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Jason
5 minutes ago, netnow66 said:

When I play in a glitched lobby, there are still gang hideouts, ambushes and those new random encounters where you help people. PvE lobbies that would still allow that are what some of us would settle for and that is enough of a wild west feel for some of us. 

 

A wild west feel for me doesn't have to have human griefers in any way shape or form.

Yea I aint saying we shouldn't get PvE/private lobbies, I 100% understand why people want them but after the defensive mode was added I kinda like what they're doing with it. Basically what I'm trying to say is I'd prefer one really great lobby type other two or three lobby types where features are lobotomised because features/mechanics need PvP or whatever.

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netnow66
Just now, Jason said:

Yea I aint saying we shouldn't get PvE/private lobbies, I 100% understand why people want them but after the defensive mode was added I kinda like what they're doing with it. Basically what I'm trying to say is I'd prefer one really great lobby type other two or three lobby types where features are lobotomised because features/mechanics need PvP or whatever.

Defensive mode was (what I consider) the first step to do anything about griefing--and it doesn't go far enough because players are still being griefed.

 

I don't care if there are different lobby types as long as players are getting the game that they want and the "fun and fair environment" Rockstar advertised. If that means separate lobbies, I say bring them on.

 

Hell, some of us are already willing to play in glitched lobbies with only a handful of people because we want to avoid being griefed. I'd rather play grief-free in a lobby of only a few people as opposed to a lobby full of people if I can be griefed. 

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Jason

I'm not looking at this from a grief stand point, cause that can be fixed in many ways, I'm looking at it from a content stand point. GTAO private lobbies don't have access to most of the new content because there's no co-op version of the content, it relies on PvP or at least existing in a world with other players. If we're going down that route again with RDO I'd rather they go all in on it rather than have a half arsed PvE lobby and a half arsed defensive mode in a PvP lobby. I'd love a PvE lobby that embraces PvE, but not a PvE lobby that exists only to stop griefers.

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netnow66
48 minutes ago, Jason said:

I'd love a PvE lobby that embraces PvE, but not a PvE lobby that exists only to stop griefers.

As far as my gameplay, I just want to stop the griefers. I don't have a real problem with the content at this point. 

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Jason

Fair enough, I've not had a problem with griefers since the update my self but I have major issues with having little content to play lol

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-LN-
44 minutes ago, Jason said:

Fair enough, I've not had a problem with griefers since the update my self but I have major issues with having little content to play lol

This is kinda where I'm at as well. The novelty is starting to wear off each day that I load up to play and when it comes down to it, there's just not that much to do that hasn't already been done a million times day in and day out. I've still yet to be truly griefed myself since defensive mode; most people that I see in lobbies these days either seem to be doing the same things that I'm doing or shooting up the towns and running from the law. As I've mentioned before, I'm also not opposed to private sessions, but we are in dire need of new content and that should be the top priority.

 

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netnow66
57 minutes ago, Jason said:

Fair enough, I've not had a problem with griefers since the update my self but I have major issues with having little content to play lol

Yeah, it all depends on one's expectations. 

 

The people left in the game that I talk to are basically concerned with griefers. These are people (like me) who don't want to be bothered while hunting and fishing, something I know many others either don't do or do rarely. I get my shoot 'em up fix from on call missions or just random occurrences--plus the fact that I play games like Division 2 when I went to get my shooting on. For my money, RDO is much too rich a game to just view as a shooter, not to mention that my view of Westerns is more in the vein of the Maverick TV show not the Wild Bunch movie (oh, just thought of one complaint--I need to be able to gamble for larger pots--I'll never get rich with such low limits).

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Leftover Pizza
28 minutes ago, -LN- said:

This is kinda where I'm at as well. The novelty is starting to wear off each day that I load up to play and when it comes down to it, there's just not that much to do that hasn't already been done a million times day in and day out. I've still yet to be truly griefed myself since defensive mode; most people that I see in lobbies these days either seem to be doing the same things that I'm doing or shooting up the towns and running from the law. As I've mentioned before, I'm also not opposed to private sessions, but we are in dire need of new content and that should be the top priority.

 

Not only do we need new content, but also long lasting new content. Another showdown isn't new content, it's more of the same. We need some good stuff that keeps us busy for months on end. I actually stopped doing the dailies. Not only because they come outta my nose by now, but also to not be fully prepared to attack new content coming and be done with it in a few weeks. Made that mistake in GTA Online, got all the nice new goodies as soon as they hit the SA websites and got bored with it within days. Like buying the nightclub with all the upgrades, Terrorbyte + Opressor MKII right off the bat, fill the garage floors and have nothing left to do the next day.

 

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Leftover Pizza
1 hour ago, netnow66 said:

As far as my gameplay, I just want to stop the griefers. I don't have a real problem with the content at this point. 

 

What griefers? I've seen 3 other blue dots on the map this evening and they might as well have been the same player, hunting in the same area as I did. I've been attacked maybe 3 or 4 times in the past few weeks, killed a few times too, but I was in Offensive Mode each time. While in Defensive, I am not hassled. Players pass me by, doing their own thing. Some even wave. Sure, I'm always alert and have a finger on the trigger, just in case things get hairy, but those moments are so rare. Most of the time, this game feels like a single player game as I don't see another soul for hours. 

If I want to see other players shooting at me, I have to get into a showdown, because orherwise I don't experience them. What is this griefing you keep going on about? A player taking a shot at you or a player who keeps killing you over and over again? 

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The Deadite

Just got griefed and actually had fun, was in defensive and we were both forced to use free aim... was a really clumsy shootout but beats the aimfest this game is.

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-LN-
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Leftover Pizza said:

Not only do we need new content, but also long lasting new content. Another showdown isn't new content, it's more of the same. We need some good stuff that keeps us busy for months on end. I actually stopped doing the dailies. Not only because they come outta my nose by now, but also to not be fully prepared to attack new content coming and be done with it in a few weeks. Made that mistake in GTA Online, got all the nice new goodies as soon as they hit the SA websites and got bored with it within days. Like buying the nightclub with all the upgrades, Terrorbyte + Opressor MKII right off the bat, fill the garage floors and have nothing left to do the next day.

 

I'm at the point now where that if I see lightning, I'm chasing it; hoping that it will strike me! ☈😜

 

Agreed though; and the more showdowns they make, the larger the rotation list is going to get - so I guess good luck ever being able to play the ones that are actually kinda fun like Spoils of War. I haven't tried this past week; I pretty much just gave up last week or two weeks ago when I couldn't load into any of them to complete the daily challenges.

 

The main difference though is that GTAO has always had at least x5 as many things to do compared to this game. We at least need the R* Editor here so that we can be a bit more artistic. I'm definitely good on money atm, so when I sign in, it's mostly just to keep the streak alive and post the new ones here. Nothing else is exactly grabbing my attention at the moment, but I'm hoping the new update will be enough to keep us busy for awhile; whenever it decides to finally drop!

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Leftover Pizza
5 minutes ago, -LN- said:

I'm at the point now where that if I see lightning, I'm chasing it; hoping that it will strike me! ☈😜

 

Agreed though; and the more showdowns they make, the larger the rotation list is going to get - so I guess good luck ever being able to play the ones that are actually kinda fun like Spoils of War. I haven't tried this past week; I pretty much just gave up last week or two weeks ago when I couldn't load into any of them to complete the daily challenges.

 

The main difference though is that GTAO has always had at least x5 as many things to do compared to this game. We at least need the R* Editor here so that we can be a bit more artistic. I'm definitely good on money atm, so when I sign in, it's mostly just to keep the streak alive and post the new ones here. Nothing else is exactly grabbing my attention at the moment, but I'm hoping the new update will be enough to keep us busy for awhile; whenever it decides to finally drop!

 

Done the lightning chasing. Never works. I'm also beyond the point of doing hideouts with a bow and throwables only, ambushes with pistols only or roaming the world 'no horse' all evening. We need good new stuff.

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Van_Hellsing
13 hours ago, Failed Again said:

Looks like you still can't lock on - autoaim not active-correct?

If you are in defensive mode, you can not auto aim other players. The absence of auto aim is an advantage. Most griefers are so used to auto aim, they totally s#ck at free aiming. 

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Happy Hunter

It's not perfect, sometimes it doesn't work quite as it's meant to - and I'm sure there are loopholes - but it's leaps and bounds ahead of the passive popping BS of GTA.

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Failed Again
Posted (edited)

used this thread to my advantage today.Justice served😁

 

Guy tried to lasso me..in town,

then while riding out he did the horse charge -bumped me- he turned red ( I unloaded a couple of explosive rounds into him, and the horse he rode in on

 

No penalty to me

 

Edited by Failed Again

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Mad-Monkey_1st
Posted (edited)

Just as a few folk on here have stated,  A few tweaks is all it needs 

23 hours ago, StyxTx said:

Still, many griefers target players because they know what kind of weaponry that players has, etc. Most do not want to go after people who can match them.

I’ve started a new acc 19 days ago and haven’t been proper greifed yet so rank had bugger all to do with it, If someone wants to go greifing and shoot players on site they don’t go looking at rank first they don’t give a sh*t they do it, Besides if they went looking at your rank first when they come across you, you may well have disappeared of there radar by the time they have come back from menu 

Edited by Mad-Monkey_1st

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wehweh01

I'm really liking using defensive mode as a means of revenge. I'll generally just walk around now hoping someone attacks me while I'm in offensive. Soon as I get some random to attack me I switch on defensive and turn it into a very one sided Freeaim match. Funny as hell when it happens :p

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Norman_Greige
Posted (edited)
14 hours ago, Jason said:

Does parleying a posse member not parley for the whole posse? I coulda sworn that's how it has worked post-update, might be wrong tho.

Didn't seem to work for me. Unless someone was just riding with a posse but not actually a member of it. Seems unlikely, but I'm sure I'll get another opportunity to try it.

 

Last night's session was uncharacteristically decent. Trotted about doing my business past plenty of action and never got drawn in. Guess they were occupied enough. 

Edited by Norman_Greige

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netnow66
11 hours ago, Leftover Pizza said:

 

What griefers? I've seen 3 other blue dots on the map this evening and they might as well have been the same player, hunting in the same area as I did. I've been attacked maybe 3 or 4 times in the past few weeks, killed a few times too, but I was in Offensive Mode each time. While in Defensive, I am not hassled. Players pass me by, doing their own thing. Some even wave. Sure, I'm always alert and have a finger on the trigger, just in case things get hairy, but those moments are so rare. Most of the time, this game feels like a single player game as I don't see another soul for hours. 

If I want to see other players shooting at me, I have to get into a showdown, because orherwise I don't experience them. What is this griefing you keep going on about? A player taking a shot at you or a player who keeps killing you over and over again? 

A player taking a shot at me is a griefer in my book. There are instances of posts already on this page that describe that.

 

If you shoot me when I'm spawning in, you're griefing me.

 

If you shoot me while I'm fishing, you're griefing me. 

 

If you shoot me while I'm going to the butcher, you're griefing me.

 

If you shoot me and I'm in Defensive mode, you're griefing me.

 

For me, if the combat isn't consensual, it's griefing.

 

Those griefers, Pizza, those griefers.

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Leftover Pizza
Posted (edited)
56 minutes ago, netnow66 said:

A player taking a shot at me is a griefer in my book. There are instances of posts already on this page that describe that.

 

If you shoot me when I'm spawning in, you're griefing me.

 

If you shoot me while I'm fishing, you're griefing me. 

 

If you shoot me while I'm going to the butcher, you're griefing me.

 

If you shoot me and I'm in Defensive mode, you're griefing me.

 

For me, if the combat isn't consensual, it's griefing.

 

Those griefers, Pizza, those griefers.

 

You know, this is a game taking place in 1898, where not everyone was much obliged to respect the law. You can expect someone to take a shot at you now and then. Sorry to say, but if you can't live with a shot taken at you once in a while, this may not be the game for you. 

And, even though I am very much anti grief like you are, a shot taken at you really doesn't classify as being griefed. Really, I think you're taking this much too heavy. It's normal gameplay in this game. Do you get pissed off when running into an ambush too? For all I know, I'm getting shot at by npcs a lot more than other players. Maybe you should ask Rockstar for invite only lobbies, where npcs don't shoot back either. 

Really, some people are using the griefer card much too easy.

Edited by Leftover Pizza

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DarkReign27
On 7/1/2019 at 8:47 AM, StyxTx said:

Why bother with revenge. Just let them get their thrills and move on. To me, the people who go around shooting people for no reason aren't worth my time and I'm sure not going to waste ammo on them.

Exactly, I was in a posse with my friend, we passed a red posse they shot at me he turned around and was going to shoot and I'm like "that's what they want us to do" so we bolted they kept shooting at us but we escaped because they couldn't do anything aiming ha.

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Mad-Monkey_1st
7 minutes ago, DarkReign27 said:

Exactly, I was in a posse with my friend, we passed a red posse they shot at me he turned around and was going to shoot and I'm like "that's what they want us to do" so we bolted they kept shooting at us but we escaped because they couldn't do anything aiming ha.

Yes greifers do go about trying to bait us into a fight 

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Failed Again
55 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said:

 

You know, this is a game taking place in 1898, where not everyone was much obliged to respect the law. You can expect someone to take a shot at you now and then. Sorry to say, but if you can't live with a shot taken at you once in a while, this may not be the game for you. 

And, even though I am very much anti grief like you are, a shot taken at you really doesn't classify as being griefed. Really, I think you're taking this much too heavy. It's normal gameplay in this game. Do you get pissed off when running into an ambush too? For all I know, I'm getting shot at by npcs a lot more than other players. Maybe you should ask Rockstar for invite only lobbies, where npcs don't shoot back either. 

Really, some people are using the griefer card much too easy.

Then if your playing the 1880's card- law breakers  should be rounded up jailed and Hung in public..

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Norman_Greige
22 minutes ago, Failed Again said:

Then if your playing the 1880's card- law breakers  should be rounded up jailed and Hung in public..

Now that'd be awesome.

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