Next DLC Speculation Topic Mk VIII

[Standard Deluxe 59]

4 hours ago, Standard Deluxe 59 said:

Throw a civilian variant of that and the second gen Stanier and I'll even buy a shark card out of gratitude.

I should add, I'll even buy the $10 one if they have a colorable interior and proper 350 and 281 V8 engine notes.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

2 hours ago, —TheSquid— said:

Maybe I missed something, but there’s a massive elephant in the room with regards to a cops/crooks update: the Mk.II. How exactly would we be able to do anything with some cruisers and riot vans if we’re on the recieving end of that thing? I feel like they’d have to place a bunch of restrictions, and I just can’t imagine a seperate freeroam that’s so drastically different to the point of removing those meme vehicles. 

Actually, it's not only the Oppresor Mk II the elephant in the room, it's basically any weaponized vehicle, really, with the exception of the Buzzard and vehicles like the Technical, the Turreted Limo and maybe, big maybe, the Insurgent Pick-up.

 

As a point of comparison, when Battlefield Hardline became a thing, because of its setting (cops vs robbers, basically), most of the things the Battlefield series is know for went out of the window. Some were obvious, like jets, but things like helicopters were relegated to unarmed versions and even things like RPGs became special pickups.

 

My point is that, while the prospect of a Cops 'n' Crooks Freemode would be interesting, in order to function properly, several things from the game would need to be nerfed, restricted or outright banned in said mode. Unless R* doesn't care, which is a likely possibility anyway.

[Flash FM]

2 hours ago, YELLOW DOG WITH CONE said:

Actually, it's not only the Oppresor Mk II the elephant in the room, it's basically any weaponized vehicle, really, with the exception of the Buzzard and vehicles like the Technical, the Turreted Limo and maybe, big maybe, the Insurgent Pick-up.

 

As a point of comparison, when Battlefield Hardline became a thing, because of its setting (cops vs robbers, basically), most of the things the Battlefield series is know for went out of the window. Some were obvious, like jets, but things like helicopters were relegated to unarmed versions and even things like RPGs became special pickups.

 

My point is that, while the prospect of a Cops 'n' Crooks Freemode would be interesting, in order to function properly, several things from the game would need to be nerfed, restricted or outright banned in said mode. Unless R* doesn't care, which is a likely possibility anyway.

did you miss the part where Fun said it would be a mode, not part of freemode, but a new mode altogether

[mrfonzius]

I'm wondering what they will do for the Festive Surprise this year - give us the sweaters from last year again, do something completely new or just go back to the old 'shirt roulette'.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

1 minute ago, Lazlow.Jones said:

did you miss the part where Fun said it would be a mode, not part of freemode, but a new mode altogether

If it's a self contained mode, you're right.

 

If it's a new Freemode mode (as an alternative to the current Freemode), my point still stands.

[Classique]

23 minutes ago, mrfonzius said:

I'm wondering what they will do for the Festive Surprise this year - give us the sweaters from last year again, do something completely new or just go back to the old 'shirt roulette'.

I pray that this year's Festive Surprise brings us a new fan favourite.

To summarize;

 

Festive Surprise 2014:

• Slamvan Pickup
• Rat-Truck
• Massacro (Racecar)
• Jester (Racecar)

Festive Surprise 2015:

• Tampa

Festive Surprise 2016:

• First new Truffade vehicle (Nero)

Festive Surprise 2017:

• Sentinel Classic
• Streiter (ok let's ignore that one... yikes)
• Hermes
• A new Overflöd vehicle (Autarch)

Festive Surprise 2018:

• Toros
• Clique
• Itali GTO

... And the Up-n-Atomizer Un-stuck-Inator. 

 

Let's hope they don't pull a Streiter :p  

[IceDree]

^^ unpopular opinion: I like the Streiter.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

24 minutes ago, Classique said:

... And the Up-n-Atomizer Un-stuck-Inator. 

 

24 minutes ago, Classique said:

Let's hope they don't pull a Streiter

Unless it's an Streiter like this one:

 

[Classique]

7 minutes ago, YELLOW DOG WITH CONE said:

Unless it's an Streiter like this one:

 

Oooh man I could suck dick for that.

[rollschuh2282]

regarding christmas...i wonder where they will place the christmas tree in the casino...

i think in the penthouse it will be placed in the bar area.

maybe even the entire casino will be in christmas setting.and agathas office.

 

wait...it would be amazing if they add new snowflakes falling videos that replace the diamonds falling video one in the casino during christmas

[Tez2]

2 hours ago, YELLOW DOG WITH CONE said:

If it's a self contained mode, you're right.

 

If it's a new Freemode mode (as an alternative to the current Freemode), my point still stands.

It's like an adversary mode but in a freemode, just like the Arena.

The Arena is basically an adversary mode, but it has more detail put into it than other modes. What I talked about would function the same.

Adversary modes restrict you to certain vehicles so this new mode will work the same.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

4 minutes ago, Fun 2 said:

It's like an adversary mode but in a freemode, just like the Arena.

The Arena is basically an adversary mode, but it has more detail put into it than other modes. What I talked about would function the same.

Adversary modes restrict you to certain vehicles so this new mode will work the same.

Oh, that makes sense, I stand corrected then.

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

You know what? f*ck it, I'm gonna say it.

 

BRING THE CUT WEAPONS BACK!!!

 

 

 

[Up2NoGood45]

1 hour ago, Fun 2 said:

It's like an adversary mode but in a freemode, just like the Arena.

The Arena is basically an adversary mode, but it has more detail put into it than other modes. What I talked about would function the same.

Adversary modes restrict you to certain vehicles so this new mode will work the same.

So no weaponized vehicles?  I’m in.

[Zak Ras]

2 hours ago, Fun 2 said:

It's like an adversary mode but in a freemode, just like the Arena.

The Arena is basically an adversary mode, but it has more detail put into it than other modes. What I talked about would function the same.

Adversary modes restrict you to certain vehicles so this new mode will work the same.

You're speaking very matter of fact.

 

But help me out here, would a better way of putting it be; A mode that has endless Mini Freemode events all over the map (like the muggings in Story Mode). I'd be astounded if Rockstar repeated the mistake of another DLC that was strictly PvP, especially after they've dabbled with and realized how popular Survival is when it gets attention, so would smaller paying PvE always be available when other players weren't around?

 

OR

 

Are we talking about something like the Heists that never were, contact missions were you could pick a team like a deathmatch that decided your role? Only this time it decides your team, one team with an objective and the other team has to stop them.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Zak Ras

[AUScowboy]

1 hour ago, YELLOW DOG WITH CONE said:

You know what? f*ck it, I'm gonna say it.

 

BRING THE CUT WEAPONS BACK!!!

 

 

 

 

Brobro... YES!

[REVENGE777]

31 minutes ago, Zak Ras said:

You're speaking very matter of fact.

 

But help me out here, would a better way of putting it be; A mode that has endless Mini Freemode events all over the map (like the muggings in Story Mode). I'd be astounded if Rockstar repeated the mistake of another DLC that was strictly PvP, especially after they've dabbled with and realized how popular Survival is when it gets attention, so would smaller paying PvE always be available when other players weren't around?

 

OR

 

Are we talking about something like the Heists that never were, contact missions were you could pick a team like a deathmatch that decided your role? Only this time it decides your team, one team with an objective and the other team has to stop them.

It wouldn’t make sense for cops vs crooks to NOT be pvp. It defeats the purpose of it.

[Tez2]

50 minutes ago, Zak Ras said:

You're speaking very matter of fact.

 

But help me out here, would a better way of putting it be; A mode that has endless Mini Freemode events all over the map (like the muggings in Story Mode). I'd be astounded if Rockstar repeated the mistake of another DLC that was strictly PvP, especially after they've dabbled with and realized how popular Survival is when it gets attention, so would smaller paying PvE always be available when other players weren't around?

 

OR

 

Are we talking about something like the Heists that never were, contact missions were you could pick a team like a deathmatch that decided your role? Only this time it decides your team, one team with an objective and the other team has to stop them.

I can't explain it in perfect detail because all of this is just a bunch of theories/guesses merged together, so I look at what is there in the code and try to guess how it would work.

Going over what we found,

1- Rockstar is trying to change how the freemode script is requested thus it's possible we may get a new script that will function like freemode but with some changes.

You know how Rockstar can't change "old code" ? Well, their way of fixing that is to come up with new scripts that would function the same but with new code.

The mini-games you can launch in your Biker Clubhouse like the Arm Wrestling and Darts ? They have new scripts made just for them, because Rockstar can't mess with the old one.

Have you noticed any significant changes ? Nope, same mini-games but different location.

So the possible changes coming to freemode that I talked about will be the same, it could be a big list of changes or minor changes, could be Cops n Crooks OR custom freemode lobbies (like you can disable/enable certain vehicles or weapons ..etc)

 

2- We found out that it is possible the number of players in this new freemode will be adjustable, so the session may be limited to 16 players or 8 players or even less.

This feature would work well with either Cops n Crooks or custom freemode lobbies, or completely unrelated this new update could introduce roles like criminal-related roles.

You know how R* had problems with Heists because of the roles given to the players ? For example, they had problems with the gateway driver role.

In the single-player version, the gateway driver will be waiting for you outside, but try to imagine yourself in the same position, it will be so boring.

Heck that's why people hate Flecca Job, because you may end up with a player who suck at hacking and you'll stay there watching him try to hack it multiple times.

With this in mind, the limitation of how many players can play in this new freemode, is possibly because each player will play as part of a team with a given role, so they can't let one team outnumber another team.

 

3- Just recently, I found out that in this new mode, you won't see the icons for missions, races, minigames such as Tennis / Arm Wrestling ..etc

This further suggest this new freemode is gonna be a mode rather than what most people think of it as a better version of the current freemode.

 

With all of this in mind, Cops n Crooks seem highly possible to be the next update, but this all speculation.

This may not be the answer to your question, or my answer is too vague, but this is just because I really don't know what's coming in the next update, all I know are the three points I have stated.

Edited October 28, 2019 by Fun 2

[Zak Ras]

21 minutes ago, SonofLosSantos said:

It wouldn’t make sense for cops vs crooks to NOT be pvp. It defeats the purpose of it.

Oh I'm not saying it SHOULDN'T be at all, I'm just saying I hope they have a backup PvE variation of such a mode.

[Flash FM]

6 hours ago, YELLOW DOG WITH CONE said:

If it's a self contained mode, you're right.

 

If it's a new Freemode mode (as an alternative to the current Freemode), my point still stands.

how?  if it is an ALTERNATE freemode would it not have it's own rules?  otherwise why not add what it brings to regular freemode?

edit: ninja'd by Fun himself

Edited October 28, 2019 by Lazlow.Jones

[—TheSquid—]

7 hours ago, Lazlow.Jones said:

did you miss the part where Fun said it would be a mode, not part of freemode, but a new mode altogether

But everything I read made it sound like it was more than an adversary mode or TDM. Or do you mean a new mode outside everything we have currently, like LTS, TDM, etc.? 

[VitoCorleone1992]

18 hours ago, REXX said:

Kinda hoping the Jester Classic gets some TLC this Christmas.

What is TLC?

12 hours ago, —TheSquid— said:

Maybe I missed something, but there’s a massive elephant in the room with regards to a cops/crooks update: the Mk.II. How exactly would we be able to do anything with some cruisers and riot vans if we’re on the recieving end of that thing? I feel like they’d have to place a bunch of restrictions, and I just can’t imagine a seperate freeroam that’s so drastically different to the point of removing those meme vehicles. 

"I just can’t imagine a seperate freeroam that’s so drastically different to the point of removing those meme vehicles. " - why not? They can do it if they want.

1 hour ago, Fun 2 said:

You know how Rockstar can't change "old code" ? Well, their way of fixing that is to come up with new scripts that would function the same but with new code.

The mini-games you can launch in your Biker Clubhouse like the Arm Wrestling and Darts ? They have new scripts made just for them, because Rockstar can't mess with the old one.

Have you noticed any significant changes ? Nope, same mini-games but different location.

 

So you're saying that old arcade game machines split in the map or the billiards at yellow jack inn in sandy shores, can't be updated to work? So...if we can dream with billiards in the game and new arcade games (bcz, only two in the casino dlc and one of them being not that great, that did suck, imo) those things need a new space/building in order to become a thing?

[Flash FM]

37 minutes ago, —TheSquid— said:

But everything I read made it sound like it was more than an adversary mode or TDM. Or do you mean a new mode outside everything we have currently, like LTS, TDM, etc.? 

I mean there will be two separate freemodes, one as it is and the new "roles" freemode, it won't be like anything we've had before, as stated the full map will be available, to me it looks like R* are adding roles and separating them from the current freemode, the first roles likely being cops and crooks, with hopefully more added in the future

[REVENGE777]

34 minutes ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

What is TLC?

Toni Lionel Cipriani

[Tez2]

31 minutes ago, VitoCorleone1992 said:

So you're saying that old arcade game machines split in the map or the billiards at yellow jack inn in sandy shores, can't be updated to work? So...if we can dream with billiards in the game and new arcade games (bcz, only two in the casino dlc and one of them being not that great, that did suck, imo) those things need a new space/building in order to become a thing?

No, I'm talking from a technical point of view.

I'm saying Rockstar had to create a new version of Darts script to add the mini-game to your MC Clubhouse.

Technically, Darts in your MC Clubhouse is different from the one in Yellow Jack Inn, but they are all the same when you look at them in-game.

From the customer point of view, everything is working properly and Rockstar can add new mini-games, but the whole mess of how they managed to add them is behind the scenes.

[VitoCorleone1992]

1 minute ago, Fun 2 said:

No, I'm talking from a technical point of view.

I'm saying Rockstar had to create a new version of Darts script to add the mini-game to your MC Clubhouse.

Technically, Darts in your MC Clubhouse is different from the one in Yellow Jack Inn, but they are all the same when you look at them in-game.

From the customer point of view, everything is working properly and Rockstar can add new mini-games, but the whole mess of how they managed to add them is behind the scenes.

LOL...probably if they just waited a bit longer to release the game just for the next gen consoles, they wouldn't had such a pain to touch the codes, system, etc. Thx for the clarification.

[gtafan1995]

4 hours ago, YELLOW DOG WITH CONE said:

You know what? f*ck it, I'm gonna say it.

 

BRING THE CUT WEAPONS BACK!!!

 

 

 

 

I can't believe that they took time to upgrade those icons to next gen quality, but they didn't add them...

3 hours ago, Fun 2 said:

I can't explain it in perfect detail because all of this is just a bunch of theories/guesses merged together, so I look at what is there in the code and try to guess how it would work.

Going over what we found,

1- Rockstar is trying to change how the freemode script is requested thus it's possible we may get a new script that will function like freemode but with some changes.

You know how Rockstar can't change "old code" ? Well, their way of fixing that is to come up with new scripts that would function the same but with new code.

The mini-games you can launch in your Biker Clubhouse like the Arm Wrestling and Darts ? They have new scripts made just for them, because Rockstar can't mess with the old one.

Have you noticed any significant changes ? Nope, same mini-games but different location.

So the possible changes coming to freemode that I talked about will be the same, it could be a big list of changes or minor changes, could be Cops n Crooks OR custom freemode lobbies (like you can disable/enable certain vehicles or weapons ..etc)

 

2- We found out that it is possible the number of players in this new freemode will be adjustable, so the session may be limited to 16 players or 8 players or even less.

This feature would work well with either Cops n Crooks or custom freemode lobbies, or completely unrelated this new update could introduce roles like criminal-related roles.

You know how R* had problems with Heists because of the roles given to the players ? For example, they had problems with the gateway driver role.

In the single-player version, the gateway driver will be waiting for you outside, but try to imagine yourself in the same position, it will be so boring.

Heck that's why people hate Flecca Job, because you may end up with a player who suck at hacking and you'll stay there watching him try to hack it multiple times.

With this in mind, the limitation of how many players can play in this new freemode, is possibly because each player will play as part of a team with a given role, so they can't let one team outnumber another team.

 

3- Just recently, I found out that in this new mode, you won't see the icons for missions, races, minigames such as Tennis / Arm Wrestling ..etc

This further suggest this new freemode is gonna be a mode rather than what most people think of it as a better version of the current freemode.

 

With all of this in mind, Cops n Crooks seem highly possible to be the next update, but this all speculation.

This may not be the answer to your question, or my answer is too vague, but this is just because I really don't know what's coming in the next update, all I know are the three points I have stated.

Can you tell us why they can't change old code? I remember that leaker from 4chan talking about how they don't touch old features, but what's the reason behind this?

[DentureDynamite]

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Can you tell us why they can't change old code? I remember that leaker from 4chan talking about how they don't touch old features, but what's the reason behind this?

Would be nice to know!

 

At the very least, there is some code that should be "Save As...able"; e.g. bringing Crate Drops back using modified code from Merryweather's "Ammo Drop".

 

I've never had one fail on me yet.

[Tez2]

8 minutes ago, gtafan1995 said:

Can you tell us why they can't change old code? I remember that leaker from 4chan talking about how they don't touch old features, but what's the reason behind this?

I'm just like you, I don't have insight into what happens with the game development nor do the developers explain it to us.

From what I know and what that leaker said, they tried to change old code in the past, but that caused them many issues and as they try to fix them, many new issues are born.

It's like the Marvel universe case with time travel, like if you go back in the past and you went to pee in a different toilet than the one you usually go to, then a whole new alternate reality is born. Now imagine the whole new alternate reality is a group of bugs.

This is just my take on the matter, but as always this reason I came up with could be total BS

[VitoCorleone1992]

1 minute ago, DentureDynamite said:

Would be nice to know!

 

At the very least, there is some code that should be "Save As...able"; e.g. bringing Crate Drops back using modified code from Merryweather's "Ammo Drop".

 

I've never had one fail on me yet.

I don't understand sh*t about programming, but those thigns you mention like crate drop are jsut tunables, it's the same code, they can just turn on/off as they pleased, i guess.p But the problem with coding is way to complex, you can take those old 80's game like megaman, mario, and just the issue to make respond to your controls of going up, down and side, have a complicated math and elaboration process. That's why i don't know why Gaming isn't yet considered the 8th Art. So, in order to mess with something that you have in the game could cause a lot of side effects like bugs, glitchs, malfunctions, etc., deu the code being old.

1 minute ago, Fun 2 said:

I'm just like you, I don't have insight into what happens with the game development nor do the developers explain it to us.

From what I know and what that leaker said, they tried to change old code in the past, but that caused them many issues and as they try to fix them, many new issues are born.

It's like the Marvel universe case with time travel, like if you go back in the past and you went to pee in a different toilet than the one you usually go to, then a whole new alternate reality is born. Now imagine the whole new alternate reality is a group of bugs.

This is just my take on the matter, but as always this reason I came up with could be total BS

LMAO! Loved your explanation...that's why time travel movies are bulsh*t and messy af.