LysySZN Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 So Like in the title. How do Agent Milton know's that the one's Who Robbed Cornwall's train was actually a Dutch's Gang? Milton says that There were Witnesses at the place, but that seems like a lie to me. Snitch? crazedZ10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happygrowls Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I think it's implied the O'Driscolls rat out Dutch's gang, like they talk about how They were gonna turn Arthur in when they kidnap him LysySZN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazedZ10 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Yeah it does seem like a relic from when there was a snitch from the very start, another would be the newspaper in Chapter 3 about the anonymous tip. They very easily could've said it was Colm who snitched. Or sh*t just have them turn up because of Micah being arrested in Strawberry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinsengElixir Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/17/2019 at 10:44 AM, LysySZN said: So Like in the title. How do Agent Milton know's that the one's Who Robbed Cornwall's train was actually a Dutch's Gang? Milton says that There were Witnesses at the place, but that seems like a lie to me. Snitch? The three guards you sent on the train after the robbery maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldsport Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 17 hours ago, GinsengElixir said: The three guards you sent on the train after the robbery maybe? doesnt work because you can kill them instead of letting them go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 Pinkertons lost Dutch and Co. in the Grizzlies. Shortly thereafter a train gets robbed in the Grizzlies. I mean, it doesn't require Columbo to piece this one together coach_wargo and Alexlecj 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ando Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 The mission gives you the option to spare or kill some guards. Maybe if you let them live they talked. I know the newspaper says the guards are too traumatized to talk about the robbery, but perhaps it´s just the press covering up the story haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfennekin Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 On 6/21/2019 at 2:38 PM, Cutter De Blanc said: Pinkertons lost Dutch and Co. in the Grizzlies. Shortly thereafter a train gets robbed in the Grizzlies. I mean, it doesn't require Columbo to piece this one together But it's also O'Driscoll territory Their first thought would naturally be them, Micah most likely talked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldsport Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 yes it had to be micah who talked. hes the only one who was there and didnt really participate. also he went away to camp on his own in chapter 2 and he had of dutchs wanted posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinsengElixir Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Micah was only picked up by pinkertons after Guarma. Fact is the whole 'rat' narrative was pretty poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexlecj Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 There's no rat during the first four chapters. They only underestimated Leviticus Cornwall (Hosea knew robbing this train was a mistake) and the common desire to put the Old West and its relics to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleJesus Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 What about the train from Scarlet Meadows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman2112 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) On 6/23/2019 at 6:06 AM, Shadowfennekin said: But it's also O'Driscoll territory Their first thought would naturally be them, Micah most likely talked Yep. I've believe that this was the case from the very start. I know Milton says Micah has been a good boy ever since... But two things stands out like a sore thumb to me. When you free Micah from the jail in strawberry. The very first thing he does is turn around and kill the guy in the cell and then claims he's an O Driscoll. Then he makes it absolute clear that he wants the sheriff and his men dead and then proceeds to ensure that happens. Sorry but I don't believe a damn thing Micah or Milton says at this point, and I think this is a huge hint that Micah was working for Milton long before this. I know opinions about this subject will vary widely but hey to each his own I guess. Although @Cutter De Blanc and @Alexlecj do make good points. Edited July 5, 2019 by Deadman2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexlecj Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Deadman2112 said: Yep. I've believe that this was the case from the very start. I know Milton says Micah has been a good boy ever since... But one thing stands out like a sore thumb to me. It's when you free Micah from the jail in strawberry. The very first thing he does is turn around and kill the guy in the cell and then claims he's an O Driscoll. Then he makes it absolute clear that he wants the sheriff and his men dead and then proceeds to ensure that happens. Sorry but I don't believe a damn thing Micah or Milton says at this point, and I think this is a huge hint that Micah was working for Milton long before this. But hey to each his own I guess. Although @Cutter De Blanc and @Alexlecj do make good points. What would Milton gain by lying about this matter? Arthur was sick and dying, Abigail and Sadie were tied up. Micah is hot-headed and bring a lot of heat. He's a man of action, stirring agitation is what he does. Ironside 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman2112 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 (edited) @Alexlecj Again I'm not disagreeing with your assessment, and in all honesty my idea is without proof, but that's only because no one in the story says it out right. So, let's call it a gut feeling. Yeah? That said the safe bet would be to assume your view of this is probably the accurate one. However I do remember Edgar Ross making several comments in Red Dead Redemption 1 when he said over and over... "One way or another. We will rid this land of those people; At any cost." Maybe it's just me but "At Any Cost" includes lying. It also including things like... ...Employing known Outlaws to do your work for you, all the while knowing you fully intend to kill him when the deed is done. ...Killing Native Americans because he believed they were, and I quote "Savage!". Sadly, it was all done simply because they didn't value our ideas of capitalism and industrialization. That said, nothing to lose or not... I'd be willing to wager that a person like that would lie. Even in that situation. Edited July 11, 2019 by Deadman2112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auditore Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Uh couldnt someone tell the pinkertons the van der linde gang was close to valentine?Jimmy Brooks recognized Arthur,wouldnt be difficult to find someone else who recognize the gang and thats what led pinkertons to look around in horse shoe overlook and surprise surprise arthur was there fishing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokewood Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 On 6/20/2019 at 10:35 AM, GinsengElixir said: The three guards you sent on the train after the robbery maybe? Who would ever let those guys live? 3 easy targets for the "kill with a knife" challenge too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinsengElixir Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, Auditore said: Uh couldnt someone tell the pinkertons the van der linde gang was close to valentine?Jimmy Brooks recognized Arthur,wouldnt be difficult to find someone else who recognize the gang and thats what led pinkertons to look around in horse shoe overlook and surprise surprise arthur was there fishing Except the grizzlies are completely deserted? Deadman2112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokewood Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, Auditore said: Uh couldnt someone tell the pinkertons the van der linde gang was close to valentine?Jimmy Brooks recognized Arthur,wouldnt be difficult to find someone else who recognize the gang and thats what led pinkertons to look around in horse shoe overlook and surprise surprise arthur was there fishing How to you know his name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinsengElixir Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 56 minutes ago, Smokewood said: Who would ever let those guys live? 3 easy targets for the "kill with a knife" challenge too. I did. I'm kindof like that in games, in that I take these decisions heavily. I'm inconsistent though. If someone aggresses me I'll take them out, but I have a rule of not killing unarmed people. As it happens, not killing them was a major mistake because they led Milton to me in Hannover(head canon). Deadman2112 and Ironside 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokewood Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, GinsengElixir said: I did. I'm kindof like that in games, in that I take these decisions heavily. I'm inconsistent though. If someone aggresses me I'll take them out, but I have a rule of not killing unarmed people. As it happens, not killing them was a major mistake because they led Milton to me in Hannover(head canon). How could you let them live? You just killed like 25 guys on that drain and robbed it. They have to die or it puts the entire job at risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auditore Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Smokewood said: How to you know his name? There is a bounty on Dutchs head and a bounty on Arthurs head mentioned by Milton,Jimmy didnt know Arthurs name but someone else could easily know his name. "Hey its that Van der linde" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokewood Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Auditore said: There is a bounty on Dutchs head and a bounty on Arthurs head mentioned by Milton,Jimmy didnt know Arthurs name but someone else could easily know his name. "Hey its that Van der linde" ??? I am asking you how you knew the guy's name was Jimmy.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auditore Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, GinsengElixir said: Except the grizzlies are completely deserted? The pinkertins knew the gang headed to the grizzlies closest city after that is horseshoe overlook,pinkertons arrive there start asking questions and someone gives them the tip the dutch gang is around. Thats exactly what Edgar Ross did during the epilogue to find john,he started asking locals and someone gave him the tip that john was around blackwater. Just now, Smokewood said: ??? I am asking you how you knew the guy's name was Jimmy.... Jimmy Brooks?the guy you chase after saving karen dont remember that mission?The game tells you his name. "Jimmy Brooks i will remember that i got a good memory"-Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnexpectedParole Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Smokewood said: ??? I am asking you how you knew the guy's name was Jimmy.... He knows the guy from Valentine chased during Polite Society was Jimmy Brooks because that is the name the fellow gives you if you let him live. I can tell from your previous comments you would not have gotten those cut-scenes. And while I understand your logic in avoiding them, I have opted to save Jimmy every time. It just didn't seem like a good idea to get blood on my hands so soon after landing in Horseshoe overlook. -Low profile and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokewood Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, UnexpectedParole said: He knows the guy from Valentine chased during Polite Society was Jimmy Brooks because that is the name the fellow gives you if you let him live. I can tell from your previous comments you would not have gotten those cut-scenes. And while I understand your logic in avoiding them, I have opted to save Jimmy every time. It just didn't seem like a good idea to get blood on my hands so soon after landing in Horseshoe overlook. -Low profile and all that. oh, yep - in my multiple play throughs of chapter 2 - he dies every time. Cannot let someone who recognized me go. BTW - I am a high honor player too, but sometime you cannot take a risk.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auditore Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 18 minutes ago, Smokewood said: oh, yep - in my multiple play throughs of chapter 2 - he dies every time. Cannot let someone who recognized me go. BTW - I am a high honor player too, but sometime you cannot take a risk.... The point is that just like jimmy recognized arthur lots of other people could've recognized him and Dutch and it was just a matter of time till the pinkertons arrived asking questions around town about some new faces coming in a caravan... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinsengElixir Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 40 minutes ago, Smokewood said: How could you let them live? You just killed like 25 guys on that drain and robbed it. They have to die or it puts the entire job at risk. I know, shoulda killed them. Had a moment of conscience though. Arthur's a complex guy, what can I say. I have no issue killing when shot at, but executing 3 unarmed guards? I'm not a particularly high honour player or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
