POLL: how open to change are you with GTA?

[billiejoearmstrong8]

10 hours ago, Pink Pineapple said:

 

 

 

Not one female character in the game meets it and nobody here has been able to post any female character who meets it. 

Because they haven't written one yet lol. Until GTA IV no one could show you a Serbian GTA character who meets it either

 

Intimidating female criminals exist in real life and in fiction. As long as a female character is written as well and as realistically as a male character there's no reason why depicting such a character should be "less realistic" than depicting a male character. This isn't about replacing an existing protagonist with a female one, which obviously would be unrealistic as the story isn't tailored to a female protagonist. It's about a new protagonist that whether female, male, black, white, American, non American, whatever else, would have a new story tailored to them to be realistic for them. 

 

As to the question about improving the game. There's no default reason why another male protagonist would improve the game either. No default reason why any specific type of protagonist would. An interesting and well written protagonist improves the game, quite simply. And sometimes including some change can make it more interesting and open up new opportunities for storytelling and character exploration. A varied range of protagonists as opposed to, say, making them all Italian American guys, keeps the game interesting. Depending on the quality of the writing a female protagonist could achieve that, just as depending on the quality of the writing a male protagonist could achieve that.

 

8 hours ago, Grotti Vigilante said:

Hmm, perhaps I should go back and play it again soon. Seems like a similar situation even.

It's technically the same thing (you have to be out of sight of cops to use it), but V is more strict about what counts as in sight of cops plus cops spawn right behind you more so it's more difficult.

Edited June 30, 2019 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Zello]

9 hours ago, Pink Pineapple said:

She's not feminine at all. She looks masculine, acts masculine, sounds masculine, and she's even attracted to women. She's as close to being a man as possible without actually being a man. What's the point of having a female protagonist who's basically a smaller and weaker man?

 

You're forgetting about character customization.

 

 

There's nothing stopping CJ from looking like a fool but you can.

 

[universetwisters]

9 hours ago, Pink Pineapple said:

 

You ignored my question first. Here it is again...

 

A female protagonist would make the game more unrealistic, so what's the point of having one?

 

That's the most important question here. The topic is about change. If something is changed, it should make the game better. How will a female protagonist improve the game?

 

Literally every protagonist change is just for aesthetics. Franklin being a man didn’t improve V’s story, Niko being a man didn’t improve IV’s story. Claude being a man didn’t improve III’s story. There is no point in having one, but there’s also no point in having a black protagonist, an old protagonist, a Chinese protagonist, etc. since most gta games have generic enough stories to where any person can be thrown into the mix. “Wah Wah Wah women aren’t as strong as men” shut up with that excuse already, strength is irrelevant in gta after the first mission or so until you get guns.

 

Now are you going to answer my simple yes or no question or ignore it once again.

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[Super Shizuku]

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Should've used FlyingKitty's "Here We Go Again" made up song instead.

Edited June 30, 2019 by Light Syde Riandy

[Excalibur Voltaire]

Thread title: How open to change are you with GTA? 

Thread discussion: Is Female protagonist unrealistic?

 

OT: as long as the change doesn't affect the core aspect of GTA, I'm fine with it

 

I admit though, this argument is pretty entertaining

Edited June 30, 2019 by Legion of Hell
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[billiejoearmstrong8]

So the only way the thread can be on topic is if it's just one post after another saying "I'm open to change but it depends what it is" and none of the specific potential changes can actually be discussed? Lol ok

Edited June 30, 2019 by billiejoearmstrong8

[Grotti Vigilante]

15 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

So the only way the thread can be on topic is if it's just one post after another saying "I'm open to change but it depends what it is" and none of the specific potential changes can actually be discussed? Lol ok

Nah go on, knock yourselves out. I'm just waiting to see where things go at this point. Maybe we will be allowed these discussions after all and I was just being too cautious. I no longer care anymore, so I'll just give it what I have if anyone asks...

Edited June 30, 2019 by Grotti Vigilante

[Pink Pineapple]

11 hours ago, universetwisters said:

 

Literally every protagonist change is just for aesthetics. Franklin being a man didn’t improve V’s story, Niko being a man didn’t improve IV’s story. Claude being a man didn’t improve III’s story. There is no point in having one, but there’s also no point in having a black protagonist, an old protagonist, a Chinese protagonist, etc. since most gta games have generic enough stories to where any person can be thrown into the mix. “Wah Wah Wah women aren’t as strong as men” shut up with that excuse already, strength is irrelevant in gta after the first mission or so until you get guns.

 

 

 

The characters have to be believable, otherwise the game will get goofy like Saints Row. Try to imagine someone like Luigi choosing a woman to be his hired muscle to go beat up a drug dealer. You said there's no point in having a black protagonist. You're wrong. CJ's character has to be a black male to be believable. Johnny has to be a male to be believable. 

 

What kind of story would need a female protagonist? A stripper? We'll play as Nikki from the Vanilla Unicorn. She'll use sex appeal to get rid of wanted stars and routinely beat up men despite only weighing 110 pounds.

 

 

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-Being able to carry 10+ weapons on your person

-Being a white criminal even though the prison population is more black than white

-Being able to survive car crashes at 50+ mph with barely a scratch

-Similar to above, a car still being able to be drivable after several hard crashes and the only damages are cosmetic

-Being able to lose police by driving into a garage and getting your car resprayed while the cops are watching the whole time

-Being able to lose police by changing your shirt

-Being able to get away with any crime in general without any police investigations knocking on your door with a warrant days later

-Being able to drive from sun up to sun down without having to change tires or fill up with gas

 

 

And several other cases pointing to why GTA is unrealistic. Would you be opposed to all of the above being changed with gameplay hindering realistic instances?

*If the answer is yes, then okay you're just a stickler for realism and nothing's wrong with that tbh

*If the answer is no, then why are you imposing sexist double standards to a video game

 

 

About half of the prison population is white, so there's nothing unusual about a white criminal and we can't respray cars while cops are watching anymore. I wouldn't be opposed to the rest being changed to varying degrees because I'd like more realism. Even if I were opposed to all being changed, it wouldn't matter because the main reason I don't want a female protagonist is because I want a believable character and I can't think of any good GTA type story that needs the protagonist to be female to be believable. Every GTA game already made and every future good story I can think of was / would be better and more believable with a male protagonist.

[universetwisters]

11 minutes ago, Pink Pineapple said:

You're wrong. CJ's character has to be a black male to be believable.

Yes because there's something believable about a random gangbanger from the hood being asked to do top secret spy missions and working with chinese mobsters who are opening up a casino in Vegas.

 

13 minutes ago, Pink Pineapple said:

What kind of story would need a female protagonist? A stripper? We'll play as Nikki from the Vanilla Unicorn. She'll use sex appeal to get rid of wanted stars and routinely beat up men despite only weighing 110 pounds.

 

That's pretty sexist of you to assume that the only thing a woman can be is a stripper. Also like I said before, who gives a f*ck about beating people up when you get guns early on in almost every game.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, universetwisters said:

Now are you going to answer my simple yes or no question or ignore it once again.

 

[TheSantader25]

San Andreas needed a black protagonist to portray the African American gang life. While Vice City needed an Italian for the Mafia connection. These protagonists were made because they made sense for a certain theme. Now I invite you guys to give me some themes that could be good with a female protagonist. Could a female protagonist really open "more possibilities" for themes in the story in opposing to a male in a series like GTA? I don't think so. So why risk it?

 

Sure it "could" work. But it's just too much work for minimum contribution to the series while R* could actually work on improving "more important" things. We're not actually in a "comfort zone" in the series' life cycle to try things like that. R* really need to work on some serious issues and innovate instead of wasting resources on things that have no point. We have bigger problems to solve. 

Edited June 30, 2019 by TheSantader25

[Pink Pineapple]

13 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

That's pretty sexist of you to assume that the only thing a woman can be is a stripper.

 

 

Give me a story idea for a GTA game that needs a female protagonist to be believable. Remember - nothing involving sex (hookers, strippers).  If you can't, you're OMG a SEXIST!!!

 

 

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Also like I said before, who gives a f*ck about beating people up when you get guns early on in almost every game.

 

I do. Since we get guns early, then according to your reasoning, Rockstar can just eliminate hand to hand combat mechanics, right? We got guns! We don't need 'em!

[Swe78]

We do need some change since GTA IV and V is no better than the PS2 GTAs, they are worse I would say only better graphics. And look at RDR 2 so much potential and yet the game was a disappointment in many ways. Not many still playing it after finishing the main story that says a lot. An open world game should be fun to play and explore for a long long time. 

 

Go outside USA yes I think it is high time to leave that place now. Sleeping Dogs felt fresh and fun and Rockstar would do it better. There are so many places and citys outside USA that could be amazing. USA is pretty boring it's in every movie, tv-series, games etc..enough with playing it safe Rockstar. Female protagonist? No thank you there is no reason for it.  A cop protagonist sure it worked pretty well in TC: Streets of LA, but it would not make the game better. They need to improve the open world a lot and give us more to do, more to explore etc. 

 

Rockstar should look at Zelda BOTW and how Nintendo took open world gaming to the next level. GTA needs the same change, if Rockstar is capable of doing that idk. 

[Zello]

I'm not really open to setting a GTA in another country unless it's like Mexico or Canada or certain exceptions like Cuba or the Caribbean islands/countries close to Florida. I'd like Colombia or Bolivia as a location we can travel to in addition to wherever the US city they chose only because of the cocaine. Other than that no thanks.

 

Now I wouldn't mind it opening in a foreign country something similar to what they did with North Yankton in GTA V.  For example have the protagonist fighting for the IRA in Ireland during the 80's to establish their backstory but then never go back.

Edited July 1, 2019 by Zello

[Pink Pineapple]

I'm only open to another country if it's a secondary location in the game. I think the main location should stay in the U.S. I also think the time period should be 1970s to present day.

[universetwisters]

8 hours ago, Pink Pineapple said:

 

Give me a story idea for a GTA game that needs a female protagonist to be believable. Remember - nothing involving sex (hookers, strippers).  If you can't, you're OMG a SEXIST!!!

 

I would suggest someone like Snoop from The Wire, but once again your sexism shows and, blatantly disregarding the fact somebody answered your question, says that she "isn't feminine at all". Also learn what sexism is, it isn't a total ban of anything mentioning sex.

 

8 hours ago, Pink Pineapple said:

 

I do. Since we get guns early, then according to your reasoning, Rockstar can just eliminate hand to hand combat mechanics, right? We got guns! We don't need 'em!

 

The might as well seeing how little they were used in V.  Get a better argument than mockery

 

[waymuu]

9 hours ago, Pink Pineapple said:

Give me a story idea for a GTA game that needs a female protagonist to be believable. Remember - nothing involving sex (hookers, strippers).  If you can't, you're OMG a SEXIST!!!

 

[Pink Pineapple]

46 minutes ago, universetwisters said:

 

I would suggest someone like Snoop from The Wire, but once again your sexism shows and, blatantly disregarding the fact somebody answered your question, says that she "isn't feminine at all". Also learn what sexism is, it isn't a total ban of anything mentioning sex.

 

 

Her character doesn't have to be a female to be believable. She's a soldier in a drug dealing organization. That could be male or female, and a male would actually be more believable.

 

I'll help you out - Johnny Klebitz is the vice president of an outlaw motorcycle gang similar to Hell's Angels. His character has to be male to be believable. Once again, try to give me a GTA story that needs a female protagonist to be believable.

[universetwisters]

14 minutes ago, Pink Pineapple said:

 

Her character doesn't have to be a female to be believable. She's a soldier in a drug dealing organization. That could be male or female, and a male would actually be more believable.

 

But her character is female and it's believable. Why wouldn't it be? You're just repeating your rhetoric because you can't think of anything else to say to validate it.

 

>Give me a GTA story that needs a female protagonist to be believable

 

Open your sexist mind up and stop trying to validate your argument with "X can't work with a female because it's already established with a male" and stop cherrypicking male centric gangs just to validate it further.

Edited July 1, 2019 by universetwisters

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

35 minutes ago, Pink Pineapple said:

Once again, try to give me a GTA story that needs a female protagonist to be believable.

 

Knock it off with the blatant sexism!

Just because GTA has a male-orientated story base so far, doesn't mean the stories couldn't be transferred to women.  I can see a professional contract assassin, drug mule, pusher or even a user, a vehicle mechanic breaking stolen cars, a bar worker in a questionable dive (not topless), even possibly a low-level criminal, stealing cars to order or a skilled getaway driver.

With a female protagonist, it also opens the opportunity to make the main antagonist a female as well.

Let's move on from this track of discussion please.
 

[universetwisters]

Honestly as long as they don’t throw us an inane sci-fo story like Watch dogs 3 has, I’m fine with whatever. 

[Zello]

I'm open to a setting outside of the traditional Liberty City, Vice City, and San Andreas they've used so much.

 

I'd like to see another new American city like Boston, Dallas, Atlanta, Philadelphia, or Chicago. Doesn't even have to be popular ever since I watched Fargo both the TV show and the movie along with North Yankton in V I wouldn't mind if they set a game in the Midwest.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Zello