CJ is a maniac?

[MrPhillips]

CJ IS A MANIAC? WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Edited June 15, 2019 by lil weasel

[El Penguin Bobo]

Yes. 

 

Proof?

 

Deconstruction mission.

[Sunglasses]

I'd say most GTA protagonists are maniacs, not sure where I would put CJ but I'm leaning more towards no since he seems more sympathetic towards people, especially in comparison to the two protagonists that came before him.

[MrPhillips]

16 hours ago, El Penguin Bobo said:

Yes. 

 

Proof?

 

Deconstruction mission.

Also CJ says a lot something like "You are messing with the maniac, fool." and similar.

[Ballas King]

On 6/15/2019 at 7:44 AM, El Penguin Bobo said:

Yes. 

 

Proof?

 

Deconstruction mission.

Ice Cold Killa is a bigger proof. At least in Deconstruction he did it for his sister (one of the only three family he still had left), ice cold killa he could have spared Jizzy whose pleading really touched me, he was just a pimp and not a threat like the other three....

[Max.pain]

nice thread, i can’t say much considering his character changes time to time with no real reason.

[Algonquin Assassin]

He's an inconsistent arse twat. 

[Ballas King]

3 hours ago, SonOfLiberty said:

He's an inconsistent arse twat. 

I dont get claims CJ is inconsistent. He never wanted to be a gang banger so left to LC to have a life beyond the hoods, which he failed though, the streets of LC have always been colder. He returns after his mother's death and sees the family he left behind in desperate state. One cant simply ignore where they came for so he decides to stand by and rebuild the family.. But Big Show and Ryder's betrayal was a major blow to him so he realized the disloyalty withing the family was far beyond repair so he only decides to care for the only three family he now have Sweet, Kendle, Cesar and does all the tasks from Countryside to LV to get Sweet one of his remaining family free while also living the dream of building a wealthy life beyond the hood (same as Smoke). They say he is inconsistent on Deconstruction, well if someone threatened one of CJ's only remaining and extremely loyal (no one not even Sweet is as loyal to CJ as Kendle) and caring family member, I expect CJ to do nothing better than go on rampage. CJ was is and always has been a HITMAN, he has never hesitated to kill threats, the claims he is soft and refuses to kill are fan made. Yes he shows remorse after killing Ryder and Smoke, they were after all his closest homies, just because CJ has someone he cares for unlike Claude and Tommy doesnt mean CJ is a cold blooded murderer. All those Ballas and Vagos he kill throughout in missions, gang wars and random roaming. The only questionable point to me was him trying to convince High Noon Pulaski one of his worst enemies who has always been bad to him, but other than that there is no doubt CJ is a cold blooded murderer when necessary while simultaneously being a family guy, real history proves that is nothing unusual , the age of monarchy it was most prominent. In Homecoming it is reinforced CJ never wanted to be a gang banger, he now was on of the wealthiest man in the state of San Andreas and tries to share his luxury with his obnoxious brother who refuses to live a life beyond the hood, even pointing out the disloyalty within GSF. Out of care for his brother  CJ once again fights to revive the family and after taking over territories killing uncountable Ballas and Vagos in cold blood in gang wars taking their territories  (who weree always a threat to the family, and he never hesitated to take out the threats), and in the end killing Big Smoke and leading Tenpenny to his end CJ becomes one of the wealthiest and most powerful man in San Andreas along with being co-leader  of San Andreas's most powerful gang, which is consistent and tells the typical "anti-hero grand theft auto story" of a petty criminal climbing his way to the top of being a bigwig, a crime boss !!

Edited October 4, 2019 by Ballas King

[Max.pain]

@Ballas King read some other posts of the guy

[Evil empire]

13 hours ago, SonOfLiberty said:

He's an inconsistent arse twat. 

Is Carl Johnson more inconsistent than Tommy Vercetti who created his own gang but can't recruit any gangster before the 100% completion?

Is Carl Johnson more inconsistent than Tommy Vercetti who apparently has enough power to force the mall merchants to pay the pizzo forever but can't get any employee to sell ice-cream or drive a plane on his behalf?

Is Carl Johnson more inconsistent than Tommy Vercetti the so-called badass-kingpin who owns companies in enemy territories and never tries to conquer these areas?

 

 

Excepting during Deconstruction and Management issues I don't find CJ inconsistent. As a gangster he commits crimes when it serves his selfish interests, when he's confronted to someone dangerous he waits for the good opportunity to attack (like T-Bone Mendez) and in the meanwhile he's loyal and cares a lot for his relatives. This compartmentalization is not seldom among the real-life criminals.

[Ballas King]

1 hour ago, Evil empire said:

Is Carl Johnson more inconsistent than Tommy Vercetti who created his own gang but can't recruit any gangster before the 100% completion?

Is Carl Johnson more inconsistent than Tommy Vercetti who apparently has enough power to force the mall merchants to pay the pizzo forever but can't get any employee to sell ice-cream or drive a plane on his behalf?

Is Carl Johnson more inconsistent than Tommy Vercetti the so-called badass-kingpin who owns companies in enemy territories and never tries to conquer these areas?

 

 

Excepting during Deconstruction and Management issues I don't find CJ inconsistent. As a gangster he commits crimes when it serves his selfish interests, when he's confronted to someone dangerous he waits for the good opportunity to attack (like T-Bone Mendez) and in the meanwhile he's loyal and cares a lot for his relatives. This compartmentalization is not seldom among the real-life criminals.

CJ would do anything for his family, and one of his only two blood relatives left. He definitely is consistent on Deconstruction  and you are right Tommy is far less consistent than CJ is, and the Vercittie gang which has absolutely no part in the whole game is just useless. CJ 's story with the GSF is far more consistent, detailed and well explored.

 

[god speed]

Carl Johnson or Tommy Vercetti, who cares. Claude is obviously the most consistent and the best GTA protagonist.

 

I think all GTA protagonists are maniacs, including CJ.

[Ballas King]

17 minutes ago, perennial said:

Carl Johnson or Tommy Vercetti, who cares. Claude is obviously the most consistent and the best GTA protagonist.

 

I think all GTA protagonists are maniacs, including CJ.

Thats just your opinion (and yes ours are also ours), but i never liked mutey, never felt he had any character , just a thug doing everything for money devoid of emotions. Thats not what I want from 3d age, in fact Claude Speed in GTA 2 was far more consistent to me, using a 2D figure to just go on rampage , had it not been for the top down view I would have actually preferred gta 2 to 3, but thats just me  !

[Evil empire]

On 10/4/2019 at 10:00 PM, Ballas King said:

CJ would do anything for his family, and one of his only two blood relatives left. He definitely is consistent on Deconstruction  and you are right Tommy is far less consistent than CJ is, and the Vercittie gang which has absolutely no part in the whole game is just useless. CJ 's story with the GSF is far more consistent, detailed and well explored.

 

Since he hesitates to kill Pulaski who blackmailed him, used him as a tool to do all the dirty work with dangerous missions then insisted to assassinate Carl to get rid of him, feels qualms for killing his former friends who betrayed Grove Street for the Ballas and tried to kill Sweet but doesn't hesitate to bury a foreman alive in a port-a-potty because he apparently called Kendl a prostitute then doesn't show any regret Deconstruction doesn't make CJ look consistent, however it's not worse than what we can see with Tommy Vercetti.

 

The Vercetti gang just protects Tommy's business whereas they should play a more important role.

 

I agree with your last sentence.

Edited October 6, 2019 by Evil empire

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Evil empire said:

Is Carl Johnson more inconsistent than Tommy Vercetti who created his own gang but can't recruit any gangster before the 100% completion?

Is Carl Johnson more inconsistent than Tommy Vercetti who apparently has enough power to force the mall merchants to pay the pizzo forever but can't get any employee to sell ice-cream or drive a plane on his behalf?

Is Carl Johnson more inconsistent than Tommy Vercetti the so-called badass-kingpin who owns companies in enemy territories and never tries to conquer these areas?

To be fair though, these points are more gameplay limitations than inconsistency in character.

 

6 hours ago, Evil empire said:

Excepting during Deconstruction and Management issues I don't find CJ inconsistent. As a gangster he commits crimes when it serves his selfish interests, when he's confronted to someone dangerous he waits for the good opportunity to attack (like T-Bone Mendez) and in the meanwhile he's loyal and cares a lot for his relatives. This compartmentalization is not seldom among the real-life criminals.

Agreed. He's got both a human side to his friends and a more calculating side towards his enemies( though even here like you said he still gives Pulaski a chance). I don't think he's any more of a maniac or inconsistent than Toni who blows up a district or Tommy who massacres people for fun in the mission Messing with the Man

[Max.pain]

@Evil empire change sonofliberty’s opinion about cj and i’ll pay you 500 bucks(i probably won’t)

Edited October 5, 2019 by Max.pain

[Evil empire]

1 minute ago, Max.pain said:

@Evil empire change sonofliberty’s opinion about cj and i’ll pay you 500 bucks(i probably won’t)

I don't plan or think to change his opinion, just to show he's not objective.

[Max.pain]

18 minutes ago, Evil empire said:

just to show he's not objective

about cj being an inconsistent arse twat or a maniac? neither of them, he has his reasons for not liking cj, i don’t think it’s about being objective, in fact, it can’t be objective to like or not to like someone. it is a fact cj is succesful in many ways but the guy simply dislikes his acts towards his enemies and some people, so do i. every gta protagonist is succesful but how did they become succesful? did every one of them choose be screwed over by random people and their enemies? i don’t think so.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Max.pain

[Algonquin Assassin]

I like that I can say so few words and it causes a frenzy. I'm awesome. 

[Evil empire]

On 10/5/2019 at 7:39 AM, SonOfLiberty said:

I like that I can say so few words and it causes a frenzy. I'm awesome. 

If you were really awesome none would object your sentences.

[Cox]

CJ is not actually a maniac. During the storyline he only kills people that he has to, even in Deconstruction or Madd Dogg Rhymes. In fact, in these mission, the player can complete them without killing anyone (i often do) and the only exagerate kill seems to be the foreman flooded by cement.

Surely he doesn't have any regrets in killing all those persons, but at the same time he cares about many others, like his brother and sister, Ceaser, his childhood friend. In a manner of fact he is the first protagonist that actually do what he do for the others and not only for becoming rich or increasing his power. I mean, the only other case of this kind before CJ was Tommy saving Lance, and I am not sure he did this only for unselfishness. And unlike tommy, he felt sorry for killing his friends (even if Lance and Tommy have never actually been frieds, more partners). Last but not least, he saved Denise trapped in the house on fire, not proprerly a maniac-style act.

 

I think the real maniacs are Claude and Tommy, two selfish people who care about nothing but money and power (maybe Tommy a lil bit less) and calling CJ a maniac means don't realize that Rockstar tried to change the nature and behaviour of its protagonist and put apart the careless regreatless tough guys to create more and more human and realistic characters (and this implies empathy)

Edited October 6, 2019 by Cox

[TheSantader25]

Yes. Like the other protagonists in the series. 

[Algonquin Assassin]

52 minutes ago, Evil empire said:

If you were really awesome none would object your sentences.

You can always try, but deep down you know I'm right.

[MrPhillips]

49 minutes ago, Cox said:

CJ is not actually a maniac. During the storyline he only kills people that he has to, even in Deconstruction or Madd Dogg Rhymes. In fact, in these mission, the player can complete them without killing anyone (i often do) and the only exagerate kill seems to be the foreman flooded by cement.

Surely he doesn't have any regrets in killing all those persons, but at the same time he cares about many others, like his brother and sister, Ceaser, his childhood friend. In a manner of fact he is the first protagonist that actually do what he do for the others and not only for becoming rich or increasing his power. I mean, the only other case of this kind before CJ was Tommy saving Lance, and I am not sure he did this only for unselfishness. And unlike tommy, he felt sorry for killing his friends (even if Lance and Tommy have never actually been frieds, more partners). Last but not least, he saved Denise trapped in the house on fire, not proprerly a maniac-style act.

 

I think the real maniacs are Claude and Tommy, two selfish people who care about nothing but money and power (maybe Tommy a lil bit less) and calling CJ a maniac means don't realize that Rockstar tried to change the nature and behaviour of its protagonist and put apart the careless regreatless tough guys to create more and more human and realistic characters (and this implies empathy)

Then CJ does not really know definition of maniac, he admitted that he is maniac but in reality, he is not, he does not fit.

[Evil empire]

45 minutes ago, SonOfLiberty said:

You can always try, but deep down you know I'm right.

You're so right you didn't find anything to prove I'm wrong!

[Cox]

24 minutes ago, MrPhillips said:

Then CJ does not really know definition of maniac, he admitted that he is maniac but in reality, he is not, he does not fit.

That it's just a line to intimidate the enemies or to sound badass or whatever.

[Algonquin Assassin]

6 minutes ago, Evil empire said:

You're so right you didn't find anything to prove I'm wrong!

I don't need to my friend.

[Evil empire]

27 minutes ago, SonOfLiberty said:

I don't need to my friend.

Because you know you're wrong.

 

Since you know Tommy created his own gang but can't recruit any gangster before the danger is over, since you know Tommy has to do all the menial tasks even he owns all the companies he works for, since you know Tommy keeps struggling against the gang intrusions in his companies at the end of the game and the list goes on you know you can't make him look consistent compared to CJ.

 

Your fooling game doesn't dupe anybody.

[Max.pain]

@Evil empire those emojies look too fake.

 

if it’ll make you two feel better, these all are actually michael’s fault and he’s the one who is wrong.

[Cox]

To me CJ may be inconsistent, but Claude was as well (he doesn't even talk) and Tommy is one-dimensional.

To me the 3D era ones were meant to be deep games, just put someone who can move, that's all (and this is a properly portrait of Claude)

CJ is the first experiment that leaded, later, to the GTA 4 and 5 protagonistes, and for this is, or seems to be, inconsistent, because someone who doesn't talk and just acts or someone who was simple to built as Tommy was can't result to appear like that. I may be wrong, but I think that alle the 3D era protagonist are inconsistent or simple (or both)

Edited October 6, 2019 by Cox