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Ash_735

I mean again @ChiroVette I haven't really posted here much since RDR2 came out as I played that and other games, the only reason I'm here now is because of some beta stuff (always fun to look at) and because there was a fake me posting here to which you responded to with accusations. 😛

 

And again, just because I prefer IV to V does not make me a fanboy, yet you keep twisting it back to IV whenever I compare it to other Rockstar Games titles (many which you've stated you dislike for not being GTAV) so yeah, food for thought, enjoy being the head honcho of the V section. ;)

 

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1 hour ago, Ash_735 said:

I mean again @ChiroVette I haven't really posted here much since RDR2 came out as I played that and other games, the only reason I'm here now is because of some beta stuff (always fun to look at) and because there was a fake me posting here to which you responded to with accusations. 😛

 

And again, just because I prefer IV to V does not make me a fanboy, yet you keep twisting it back to IV whenever I compare it to other Rockstar Games titles (many which you've stated you dislike for not being GTAV) so yeah, food for thought, enjoy being the head honcho of the V section. ;)

 

 

True you haven't posted much here lately. Glad you like RDR2 more than I do. I also agree that preferring IV, in and of itself, doesn't make you a fanboy. But when the current, post-IV game has been out for 6 years and you IV fans continue posting the same complaints over and over again in this forum, I enjoy responding in my own inimitable way! Oh and speaking of word twisting, the reason I don't like RDR2 is not because "its not V." Its because the game is boring, too slow moving, I hate western themed entertainment, and the gameplay mechanics sadly remind me of IV. I enjoy a lot of other non GTA Rockstar games. Mafia games, Max Payne, yes GTA, also, Bully, etc. I love Midnight Club titles.

 

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darksats
28 minutes ago, ChiroVette said:

 

True you haven't posted much here lately. Glad you like RDR2 more than I do. I also agree that preferring IV, in and of itself, doesn't make you a fanboy. But when the current, post-IV game has been out for 6 years and you IV fans continue posting the same complaints over and over again in this forum, I enjoy responding in my own inimitable way! Oh and speaking of word twisting, the reason I don't like RDR2 is not because "its not V." Its because the game is boring, too slow moving, I hate western themed entertainment, and the gameplay mechanics sadly remind me of IV. I enjoy a lot of other non GTA Rockstar games. Mafia games, Max Payne, yes GTA, also, Bully, etc. I love Midnight Club titles.

 

I havn't played rdr 1 or 2 as i don't have a console. i dont know what is so good about those games. the gameplay videos on youtube looks mediocre lacking content and the graphics was dissapointing. i might buy it if it comes to pc but only on steam sale or when it drops to below 30$. anybody say a few reasons whats so good about rdr 2?

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4 hours ago, darksats said:

I havn't played rdr 1 or 2 as i don't have a console. i dont know what is so good about those games. the gameplay videos on youtube looks mediocre lacking content and the graphics was dissapointing. i might buy it if it comes to pc but only on steam sale or when it drops to below 30$. anybody say a few reasons whats so good about rdr 2?

It's GTA in the wild west. You get a familiar yet different vibe from it. I remember back in the GTA 3 and Vice City days when people would crack jokes about "Grand Theft Horse" and yet here we are.

 

Also, RDR1 will probably never be on PC. The game's code is said to be like spaghetti it's so mangled, so a PC port probably won't happen. 

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Official General

There is too much countryside if you ask me, but that is not a good thing for me anyway, because I feel much of it largely empty and useless space. If there had been much more small towns and a second city like San Diego, I'd might have been very content with it, but on this offering ? Very poor. I'm struggling right now to find a whole bunch of things to do and explore in LS and that is even with mods. 

 

The only thing that can redeem this map is an expansion in SA-style with San Fierro and Las Venturas added, and more small towns.

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Zello

They needed a second strip club in the map and having it be in the countryside would have been perfect.

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El Penguin Bobo

Add a second strip club exclusive to Story Mode to get all the thirsty 10 year olds off of Online.

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Duhillestpunk

I always thought opposite. I thought the city was small and countryside was big. I did think it was boring though and the map looks weird.

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darksats
13 hours ago, Official General said:

There is too much countryside if you ask me, but that is not a good thing for me anyway, because I feel much of it largely empty and useless space. If there had been much more small towns and a second city like San Diego, I'd might have been very content with it, but on this offering ? Very poor. I'm struggling right now to find a whole bunch of things to do and explore in LS and that is even with mods. 

 

The only thing that can redeem this map is an expansion in SA-style with San Fierro and Las Venturas added, and more small towns.

There were 12 towns in san andreas and they were spaced far from each other making it look like real countryside. but in v all towns are continuosly spaced next to each other. it feels just like outskirts of los santos. 

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billiejoearmstrong8

Yeah I don't think it's really the size that's the problem, it's the way they used it. I think that road going all the way around the map was one key mistake, everything being encased by a ring-road that only leads back to Los Santos really doesn't help make the map feel expansive. Everything is too grouped together/linked together, with huge amounts of wasted mountain space around the edges. Whereas in San Andreas empty space was used much more effectively to create distance between lots of different towns/areas.

 

When you can stand on Vinewood Hills and see everything of note on the map in any direction all at once (the entire city and almost the entire countryside) you know something went wrong with making the map feel big.

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TheSantader25
24 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

Yeah I don't think it's really the size that's the problem, it's the way they used it. I think that road going all the way around the map was one key mistake, everything being encased by a ring-road that only leads back to Los Santos really doesn't help make the map feel expansive. Everything is too grouped together/linked together, with huge amounts of wasted mountain space around the edges. Whereas in San Andreas empty space was used much more effectively to create distance between lots of different towns/areas.

 

When you can stand on Vinewood Hills and see everything of note on the map in any direction all at once (the entire city and almost the entire countryside) you know something went wrong with making the map feel big.

That's the draw distance. It's a technical advancement that can hurt the game while it helps the scenery. The draw distance in 3D era games was awful but it helped the map. Especially in San Andreas it helped the map seem way bigger than it actually is. But in V, you can see the maze bank from the top of Mount Chiliad. Nice scenery. But makes you feel the map is small. This is one of those moments when you realize technical advancements don't always help the game. Look how small this part of SA looks without the fog/sh*tty draw distance. Look how close the 2 cities seem to be now. They seem as close as Grapeseed and Sandy Shores in V.  

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Lioshenka
On 6/5/2019 at 9:45 AM, darksats said:

They made the city big. but the countryside was too small. the mountains are very empty and it gives the illusion that the area is bigger when it is not. if the mountain areas are flat the countryside will feel very very small. there is nothing interesting or fun to do in countryside. the desert area is small and you don't get the feeling of lost in the desert like in san andreas. same for the forest area. 

Totally agreed. The map feels small. You don't get a sense of isolation regardless of where you are. The hills and mountain are empty props with no vegetation, and the desert has trailers and houses scattered throughout. I still can't quite get my head around the idea of hunting deer in what looks like someone's back garden. I thought R* were kidding, but no, you literally hunt wild animals a few metres away from a major road.

 

In SA I can load any save from any location, hop in a vehicle and go explore. I can go up Chiliad 5 days in a row, and the experience will be unique and fresh every time. In V I purposefully drive up a mountain in a sports car (because apparently GTA 5 physics allows it) only to find nothing but a rocky surface all the way to the top and all the way to the bottom.

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El Penguin Bobo

As TheSantder25 said, (sorry if I misspelled your name, lol), I'd still take it over NOT having a countryside at all, which IV didn't have and was supposed to...

 

I do think they should have added a little bit more city.

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Lioshenka
On 6/8/2019 at 10:18 PM, Official General said:

There is too much countryside if you ask me, but that is not a good thing for me anyway, because I feel much of it largely empty and useless space. If there had been much more small towns and a second city like San Diego, I'd might have been very content with it, but on this offering ? Very poor. I'm struggling right now to find a whole bunch of things to do and explore in LS and that is even with mods. 

It's nice when GTA SA and GTA IV fans leave their differences behind and come together to bash V 😀 :miranda:

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El Penguin Bobo

^ Not gonna last long, telling you that right now. lol

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TheJesus1996

I thought SA & V fans were more united lol

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Aquamaniac

I really like the map, kinda reminds me of a model railroad diorama though. I think the mountains are important for the scenery, think of all usable vehicles cars, (offroad) bikes, planes, a plain map would be very boring while flying. And the mountains are not empty, you have the cannibal camp, some scenic paths, the cable railway.

 

The map might a have larger and more industrialized city in the northern part and the highway splitting in various directions like in the southern part so that it not appears as a simple circle, but you need potential for improvement for further games, so I am perfectly fine with the map given its date of release.

 

In proportion of the map and real life big cities, it was the Los Santos part that was small, it feels like a 50.000 inhabitants town, not a major city.

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StrafeFTW

To me personally, GTA SA countryside was much more empty than GTA V. At least in GTA V you can hunt animals, do insane stunts, knock over cactus and plants, play darts, can go up to Mouth Chilliad, parachute down to the prison or Fort Zancudo, fly over to windmill, random events and etc.. in SA the only good thing about the countryside is only the mountain. GTA SA forest was really empty, it didn't have animals. Same goes for the desert, only good thing about it is Area 69. So if you think V countryside is empty then you are just not using your imagination. Heck I even find those mountains to be even more entertaining than those countryside in SA. Those mountains, you can do insane stunts, snipe down ppl from bottom, kill coyote and etc.. don't get me wrong San Andreas was awesome but the countryside is much empty in comparison to the GTA 5 countryside

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billiejoearmstrong8
2 hours ago, StrafeFTW said:

To me personally, GTA SA countryside was much more empty than GTA V. At least in GTA V you can hunt animals, do insane stunts, knock over cactus and plants, play darts, can go up to Mouth Chilliad, parachute down to the prison or Fort Zancudo, fly over to windmill, random events and etc.. in SA the only good thing about the countryside is only the mountain. GTA SA forest was really empty, it didn't have animals. Same goes for the desert, only good thing about it is Area 69. So if you think V countryside is empty then you are just not using your imagination. Heck I even find those mountains to be even more entertaining than those countryside in SA. Those mountains, you can do insane stunts, snipe down ppl from bottom, kill coyote and etc.. don't get me wrong San Andreas was awesome but the countryside is much empty in comparison to the GTA 5 countryside

I don't disagree with most of this but I find it really hard to do stunts in V. Virtually all the mountainous areas are just smooth up and down slopes, there's very few cliffs/drop offs and very few ramp type structure/ landforms, so you try to launch yourself in the air but just keep driving up and down hills instead. Even along the coast it's a smooth slope down to the water instead of cliffs. And in the rare event that you can find somewhere with a proper drop off (like near Raton Canyon) and finally get to do a big jump, your vehicle explodes when you land. V is terrible for stunt jumps imo. 

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StrafeFTW
1 hour ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said:

I don't disagree with most of this but I find it really hard to do stunts in V. Virtually all the mountainous areas are just smooth up and down slopes, there's very few cliffs/drop offs and very few ramp type structure/ landforms, so you try to launch yourself in the air but just keep driving up and down hills instead. Even along the coast it's a smooth slope down to the water instead of cliffs. And in the rare event that you can find somewhere with a proper drop off (like near Raton Canyon) and finally get to do a big jump, your vehicle explodes when you land. V is terrible for stunt jumps imo. 

Dude use your bike. And if you are on pc, use the numpad controls like 8,5,4 and 6. Doing insane stunts does not have to be on mount Chilliad. You can do stunt in Sandy Shores. This game you can play golf, tennis, darts, hunting, Ferris wheel, go to Fort Zancudo and kill all of the guards, steal a jet from Fort Zancudo, drove over fences or cactus, parachuting, flight school, rob a store, cause a mayhem at Grove Street with Michael and Franklin, go to police station and cause mayhem in there, interact with people using Trevor, drove over people, launch yourself into the person by pressing space + R, do Arms Trafficking missions, go on top of Mount Chilliad by using a bike, fly over to windmill by using plane or helicopter, push people, make them mad by showing middle finger in car, drive a car using Franklin special ability, watch a television, smoke Jimmy's bong, take a walk with your dog, use Chop's ball to throw on windows like cars or store. 

 

Just use your imagination bro.

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billiejoearmstrong8
1 hour ago, StrafeFTW said:

Dude use your bike. And if you are on pc, use the numpad controls like 8,5,4 and 6. Doing insane stunts does not have to be on mount Chilliad. You can do stunt in Sandy Shores. This game you can play golf, tennis, darts, hunting, Ferris wheel, go to Fort Zancudo and kill all of the guards, steal a jet from Fort Zancudo, drove over fences or cactus, parachuting, flight school, rob a store, cause a mayhem at Grove Street with Michael and Franklin, go to police station and cause mayhem in there, interact with people using Trevor, drove over people, launch yourself into the person by pressing space + R, do Arms Trafficking missions, go on top of Mount Chilliad by using a bike, fly over to windmill by using plane or helicopter, push people, make them mad by showing middle finger in car, drive a car using Franklin special ability, watch a television, smoke Jimmy's bong, take a walk with your dog, use Chop's ball to throw on windows like cars or store. 

 

Just use your imagination bro.

Yeah I spent years doing loads of different stuff in V. Just don't think it's good for stunt jumps. You can travel across the hills/mountains all the way from Palomino Highlands to Mount Gordo and not find a decent place to do jumps/stunts, it just keeps going up and down on smooth slopes. Also if you land from a height on a bike you die.

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Tekno1
On 6/5/2019 at 12:36 PM, El Penguin Bobo said:

you can kill someone there without getting caught

I remember stealth killing a park ranger who had parked in Paleto Forest and getting the cops on me tho

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El Penguin Bobo
46 minutes ago, Tekno1 said:

I remember stealth killing a park ranger who had parked in Paleto Forest and getting the cops on me tho

Yeah idk, they're registered as a cop so you automatically get a wanted level if you kill them wherever.

 

But I meant peds.

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Tekno1
24 minutes ago, El Penguin Bobo said:

But I meant peds.

Oh... 

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Algonquin Assassin
On 12/16/2019 at 7:19 PM, StrafeFTW said:

To me personally, GTA SA countryside was much more empty than GTA V. At least in GTA V you can hunt animals, do insane stunts, knock over cactus and plants, play darts, can go up to Mouth Chilliad, parachute down to the prison or Fort Zancudo, fly over to windmill, random events and etc.. in SA the only good thing about the countryside is only the mountain. GTA SA forest was really empty, it didn't have animals. Same goes for the desert, only good thing about it is Area 69. So if you think V countryside is empty then you are just not using your imagination. Heck I even find those mountains to be even more entertaining than those countryside in SA. Those mountains, you can do insane stunts, snipe down ppl from bottom, kill coyote and etc.. don't get me wrong San Andreas was awesome but the countryside is much empty in comparison to the GTA 5 countryside

As someone who doesn't even like San Andreas very much I think that's the reason its countryside and desert for that matter is so much more atmospheric. It's more "empty". Some people may see that as a negative, but I don't. In GTA V I never really feel like I'm ever truly alone. Civilisation is not that far away for the most part and it's dotted with random events, Strangers & Freaks missions etc that breaks the illusion of isolation.

 

I may be in the minority here, but I wish GTA V's countryside/desert was more empty. Being in the countryside/desert is probably the only positive memory I have of San Andreas. It didn't have wildlife, but it didn't need to. Being out in the countryside/desert was such a cool experience it made me feel like I could honestly get lost and this was done on hardware with more limitations and used very good trickery to achieve this result (short draw distance).

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billiejoearmstrong8
43 minutes ago, SonOfLiberty said:

As someone who doesn't even like San Andreas very much I think that's the reason its countryside and desert for that matter is so much more atmospheric. It's more "empty". Some people may see that as a negative, but I don't. In GTA V I never really feel like I'm ever truly alone. Civilisation is not that far away for the most part and it's dotted with random events, Strangers & Freaks missions etc that breaks the illusion of isolation.

 

I may be in the minority here, but I wish GTA V's countryside/desert was more empty. Being in the countryside/desert is probably the only positive memory I have of San Andreas. It didn't have wildlife, but it didn't need to. Being out in the countryside/desert was such a cool experience it made me feel like I could honestly get lost and this was done on hardware with more limitations and used very good trickery to achieve this result (short draw distance).

I think it's empty in the wrong way. Instead of empty areas of mountains/countryside being used to create space between different towns/districts, or large areas of relatively empty forest or desert to feel lost in, there's a circle of barren empty mountains surrounding the map. There's nothing to visit on or beyond them, so instead of creating a feeling of a bigger map they simply enclose everything into a smaller space. Small city, small desert area, small forest area, small amount of rural town areas, all enclosed by largely useless mountains and a giant ring road.

 

In San Andreas they used space cleverly to make the map feel bigger than it is and the cities/towns feel further away from each other than they are. Not just with draw distance but also the map layout itself and road design. The map design of V has the opposite effect of making a huge map feel too small and the towns/cities too close. 

 

Edit: There's a great redesign of the V map in the OP of this old thread, created by user choco taco. It shows how the same space could've been used much more effectively:

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Volatollotalov

Personally, I'm a fan of most of the countryside in V, with the exception of the area to the east of LS beyond the oil field. That area feels like an rushed afterthought, something the developers had to finish in a few hours to hit a deadline or something like that, it's artificially bland.

 

But the rest of the countryside is pretty interesting and fun, although of course there's massive room for improvement. 

 

To those who think the whole countryside is too boring in the game, I will say this - that's generally what countryside is like in real life. F** all generally happens out there unless you make your own fun by razzing around on a bike, or hiking... or shooting rednecks. If the R* countryside were an amusement park then it would lose its realism.  

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Americana

The map should have been horizontal, not vertical. That would make it much better.

 


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Volatollotalov
8 minutes ago, Ronald Reagan said:

The map should have been horizontal, not vertical. That would make it much better.

 


You mean like vertical farms?

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Max.pain

i don’t get this, what exactly can we expect on mountains?

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