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happygrowls

Watch_Dogs: Legion

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DexMacLeod

Meh, I assume the previews are fairly accurate. It does seem like a very controlled bit of the game they're being given access too, though. I'll admit it does seem really unlikely that the "NPC" (are we calling them "APCs" for this game now?) simulation is as advanced as it seems.

 

I'm thinking maybe those detailed simulations with the guy mourning his wife and then eventually moving on, those "scheduled" moments in their routine only happen if you add that character to your "watch list" or whatever it's called.

 

Like, not every guy you knock out is going to end up in the hospital, just the ones you choose to track or recruit live more detailed lives than the average NPC. Seems much more feasible that way.

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Zello

I think eventually it'll get repetitive like every other Ubisoft game.

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DexMacLeod

Meh, that's just kind of the nature of video games in general.

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Zello
Posted (edited)

 

They're steaming it. Some of the voice stuff looks kinda rough. London looks beautiful dissapointed that the clothing stores don't have interiors hope they add some in before release.

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Re-Dragon-Cro
4 hours ago, AndyGanteks said:

I have a feel the IGN preview is hyping the game a bit much and it will not have all those features, or they won't be as deep as hyped to sound like. Here's some lines i caught in PCGamer preview also sounding similarly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I mean it sounds great if true, but i doubt it's going that deep in.

 

More likely if you follow a random NPC, he'll just end up walking in a circle until the next thing in his scripted schedule begins or something like that. And maybe you'll eventually meet with a randomly generated NPC that looks just like your currently playable person too, or sounds like him.

It's true, other reviewers stated this aswell, you will be even able to customize each character when it comes to clothing which is pretty insane when we take into account of how many possible character types there may be out there.

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Jason

From what I heard NPC's aren't randomly generated I don't think? I heard that it's 100% curated, no idea what that means if you slaughter everyone in the city though.

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happygrowls
1 hour ago, Jason said:

From what I heard NPC's aren't randomly generated I don't think? I heard that it's 100% curated, no idea what that means if you slaughter everyone in the city though.

Likely respawning alot, I imagine there's a system that makes sure there aren't two of the same face-type. It's kinda impossible to not encounter the same face. If there were like 2 million curated faces, the game would be extremely bloated.

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Zello
Posted (edited)

Looks like the RPG stuff from other Ubisoft games has made it's way into this f*ck. Enemies have health bars above their heads.

 

Disappointed that the London Underground is just for fast travel like in Spiderman PS4 and you can't ride it like in WD1 or in GTA IV.

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TheSantader25
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Zello said:

Looks like the RPG stuff from other Ubisoft games has made it's way into this f*ck. Enemies have health bars above their heads.

 

I hate that sh*t so much. How does it make sense that a normal human enemy has a lot more health because of his level? It's a f*cking human. Health bars based on Level should only exist in games with supernatural enemies like GOW. 

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AndyGanteks
Posted (edited)
15 hours ago, Jason said:

From what I heard NPC's aren't randomly generated I don't think? I heard that it's 100% curated, no idea what that means if you slaughter everyone in the city though.

Probably for each killed, one new would be generated, so there's always an equal number of NPC's roaming the map.

 

I do wonder about playable characters though, if you kill every last of them, who do you play as? Or will the last alive member of the group be somehow immune to permadeath and respawn in hospital, or maybe you get a game over/restart checkpoint screen?

 

And also, what happens if you want to replace a deceased NPC with a new one? You have 20 slots, but what if they're full and you want a new face, 19/20 are alive and one just got killed? Screen i posted has "operative swap" command, but that's only for switching to another playable character, how do you remove the guy who was killed from your "team"?

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Re-Dragon-Cro

 

We can see some customization here.

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DexMacLeod
9 hours ago, AndyGanteks said:

Probably for each killed, one new would be generated, so there's always an equal number of NPC's roaming the map.

 

I do wonder about playable characters though, if you kill every last of them, who do you play as? Or will the last alive member of the group be somehow immune to permadeath and respawn in hospital, or maybe you get a game over/restart checkpoint screen?

This article talks a little about killing off your whole team, I think. The author's english isn't very good so it takes a little interpreting: https://segmentnext.com/2019/06/12/watch-dogs-legion-expectations/

 

Here's the relevant bit:

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"You will be having two options. One will be "Game Over" which is harder difficulty but we don't know how much high it is on that scale since there are only very few games that actually feature a true game over. The second option is AI. Here you have to find someone to recruit and then you can play as that NPC."

 

What I take from that is that there's a mode where if you run out of recruits you're done, game over, and there's another mode where if you run out of recruits Bagley will track down someone else and you keep going.

 

Not really sure how true that is though since they seem to be the only outlet who knows about that particular feature and Polygon specifically asked what happens if you run out of recruits and Ubisoft chose not to answer. 

 

9 hours ago, AndyGanteks said:

And also, what happens if you want to replace a deceased NPC with a new one? You have 20 slots, but what if they're full and you want a new face, 19/20 are alive and one just got killed? Screen i posted has "operative swap" command, but that's only for switching to another playable character, how do you remove the guy who was killed from your "team"?

I think Ian's still there in the team screen because at that point he was still the active character despite being dead. The player hadn't selected someone to switch to yet. Maybe he leaves that screen once you've taken control of someone else?

 

I'm sure you'll be able to replace team members throughout the game. Just might not be possible in that particular moment, immediately after a death and all.

 

What's weird to me about that screenshot is it says they've collected 18 out of 20 recruits but there's clearly only 17 including dead Ian. Maybe Bagley counts as a member?

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Testarossa

god yes.

 

i've been dying to see an open world version of modern london for years, and this is finally it. love the dystopian vibe that is being presented in game, love the multiple characters and the permadeath game mechanic. will definitely buy this game.

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Legion of Hell

Another Epic's Victim

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happygrowls
7 hours ago, Legion of Hell said:

Another Epic's Victim

just buy it on uPlay

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Ertan Soner

I am glad they didn't do sequel to wd2. I liked dark tone more.

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Cosmic Gypsy
2 hours ago, Ertan Soner said:

I am glad they didn't do sequel to wd2. I liked dark tone more.

Wait, you think Legion looks dark? Looks like the same kinda cringey hipster style as WD2 to me unfortunately.

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Re-Dragon-Cro
3 hours ago, Ertan Soner said:

I am glad they didn't do sequel to wd2. I liked dark tone more.

Actually it is a sequel to it, it was even WD2 which teased the next game.

 

49 minutes ago, Cosmic Gypsy said:

Wait, you think Legion looks dark? Looks like the same kinda cringey hipster style as WD2 to me unfortunately.

Tbh it does seem darker than WD2, WD2 was more lighthearted and focused on DedSec growing as a movement to expose big companies.

 

In Legion it deals with much heavier topics like terrorism, human trafficking, violation of human rights and so on. Yes it does have some funny moments but the focus is darker this time around.

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DexMacLeod

To me it looks like, tonally, they're doing their damnedest to please fans of both. The tone has been a major complaint of both games and it looks like with the 3 the tone will sort of depend on who you're playing as.

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Guest Billy Russo
21 minutes ago, DexMacLeod said:

To me it looks like, tonally, they're doing their damnedest to please fans of both. The tone has been a major complaint of both games and it looks like with the 3 the tone will sort of depend on who you're playing as.

I actually loved the tone of the first game. I know it's not popular, but I really loved it. It fit rainy Chicago so well.

 

I do agree with you that a balance between both is good for this game. Watch Dogs 2 had the sunny San Francisco and edgy comedic kind of vibe. This seems to have serious elements, mixed in with some British humour and comedic parts. I hope it works out.

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Standard Deluxe 59

As long as I can still drive around and my interest in games still sort of exists I'll get it at some point. That it doesn't come out till next year hampers the interest in this game for me, along with the 'near future' theme rather than present day. Not to mention the lack of memory on my ps4 despite deleting things on there I no longer needed or used.

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Ertan Soner
On 6/16/2019 at 10:35 PM, Cosmic Gypsy said:

Wait, you think Legion looks dark? Looks like the same kinda cringey hipster style as WD2 to me unfortunately.

Well from what I saw it looks dark compared to wd2. Maybe I am wrong.

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happygrowls

Personally I think the story of W_D1 is my favorite, however, I believe that the characters in WD2 are alot more enjoyable, have personality, and aren't just edgy people in trench coats, because let's be honest, aside from Aiden, T-Bone and Jordi, no other characters are memorable in any-way.

 

Watch Dogs 2 has a really memorable set of characters, (aside from Horatio).

 

Dussan is a really hateable protagonist, making you despise everything he does, yet at the same time, I admire him being one step ahead of DedSec most of the time.

Unlike the Antagonist from WD1, Damien, literally the most bland antagonist in a game, he barely appears in it, and has an anti-climatic ending of just bang shot in the head. While Dussan lives, allowing him to potentially appear again in the future.

 

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Corndawg93

I look forward to taking over London with my army of Grannies

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B7R

I've seen previews of fast travel in an Alpha build video (apparently the underground logos on the minimap act as fast travel points) but I just hope this doesn't mean some sort of futuristic tube train misses appearing in WDL. Sure we've got some of the big landmarks in there and the Taxicab and Double Decker but this game in a London setting wouldn't feel right without the tube train of some sort making an appearance. If it makes an appearance I ask that we can stop it like we could in the first watch dogs game, possibly even remotely hack and control it, I'm sure some of us would find the fun in that right? I know I would. 

 

Otherwise I'm happy with what I've seen so far, bring it on I say. 

 

This game won't be a day one purchase for me due to cost but it's up my list to get it when it drops to $50 or below. 

 

 

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DexMacLeod
3 hours ago, B7R said:

I've seen previews of fast travel in an Alpha build video (apparently the underground logos on the minimap act as fast travel points) but I just hope this doesn't mean some sort of futuristic tube train misses appearing in WDL. Sure we've got some of the big landmarks in there and the Taxicab and Double Decker but this game in a London setting wouldn't feel right without the tube train of some sort making an appearance. If it makes an appearance I ask that we can stop it like we could in the first watch dogs game, possibly even remotely hack and control it, I'm sure some of us would find the fun in that right? I know I would. 

I don't really use public transportation a whole lot in video games but I think the fact that they're all underground here would make the train system quite a bit less interesting.

 

I'm just super disappointed that the "leak" about skateboards seems to have been a total lie.

 

4 hours ago, B7R said:

This game won't be a day one purchase for me due to cost but it's up my list to get it when it drops to $50 or below. 

Yeah, as excited as I am for this game it's really hard for me to justify paying full price for a Ubisoft game. Not cause they're terrible or lacking in content or anything, but because they almost always go on sale for $30-$35 within a month or two.

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B7R
Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, DexMacLeod said:

Not cause they're terrible or lacking in content or anything, but because they almost always go on sale for $30-$35 within a month or two.

Well to be honest, with Watch Dogs 2, I was able to pick up the San Francisco edition (top most edition of the game) for $50 if my memory serves me correctly during a boxing day sale. With the game coming out in March 2020 which is way off from December 26th I doubt stores will still have collectors edition copies of the game still in stock by then but we'll see. Money is tight for me these days hence why I don't want to go preordering especially as you said they get discounted very quickly a couple of months in once all the hype of "new & latest shiny game" has died down for even newer games. 

 

Also has anything been mentioned about Multiplayer yet or is that part still to be revealed? 

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DexMacLeod

Yeah, my current plan as of right now is to hold off and hope the standard digital edition goes cheap during the Xbox spring sale in April. If not by then it'll definitely be at least half off by the time the E3 sales roll around in June.

 

Multiplayer actually sounds pretty cool. Apparently there's four player co-op, "freestyle football", and bare knuckle boxing. Here's a decent article on it:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/watch-dogs-legion/co-op

 

I'm still holding out hope that whatever "illegal courier" is involves skateboards. ;) 

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Re-Dragon-Cro
46 minutes ago, B7R said:

Well to be honest, with Watch Dogs 2, I was able to pick up the San Francisco edition (top most edition of the game) for $50 if my memory serves me correctly during a boxing day sale. With the game coming out in March 2020 which is way off from December 26th I doubt stores will still have collectors edition copies of the game still in stock by then but we'll see. Money is tight for me these days hence why I don't want to go preordering especially as you said they get discounted very quickly a couple of months in once all the hype of "new & latest shiny game" has died down for even newer games. 

 

Also has anything been mentioned about Multiplayer yet or is that part still to be revealed? 

Actually the DedSec Edition is the highest, same case with the first game but in both cases it's exclusive to the Ubishop. Curious that there is no DedSec Edition this time around, just a straight up Collectors Edition.(well pretty much same thing aside of the name and lack of a statue this time around). But yeah Pre-ordered it along with the statue that's a separate item(may aswell go for it for the complete set with all games), getting them together gives also a small discount. And used a 20% discount on top of that to get it even cheaper. If anything it's amazing that you can use Club points to get discounts on purchases and buying stuff from their shop also gives points.

 

Only thing we know of multiplayer is that it will have 4 player coop. Probably will include more MP modes, if not at launch then later as with WD2.

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Jason
44 minutes ago, DexMacLeod said:

Yeah, my current plan as of right now is to hold off and hope the standard digital edition goes cheap during the Xbox spring sale in April. If not by then it'll definitely be at least half off by the time the E3 sales roll around in June.

 

Multiplayer actually sounds pretty cool. Apparently there's four player co-op, "freestyle football", and bare knuckle boxing. Here's a decent article on it:

https://www.pcgamesn.com/watch-dogs-legion/co-op

 

I'm still holding out hope that whatever "illegal courier" is involves skateboards. ;) 

End-game co-op content in a SP game is next level GaaS sh*t lmao, Ubisoft are turning every one of their franchises into an online (co-op and/or PvP) GaaS, even if the game is primarily single player. Wouldn't shock me one bit if the next Assassin's Creed had a co-op mode to tap into this stuff, and I wanna say it's rumoured to have it but I might be remembering incorrectly on that one. I think they might be thinking that even if the game is mainly SP that co-op content is more likely to bring players back months/years in the future than purely single player content.

 

I wouldn't even call it a bad thing either to be honest, I think Ubisoft are the best in the AAA business when it comes to supporting their games. They've been delivering years of support for games like Siege and For Honor, and Odyssey is still getting significant paid and free updates.

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