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How come there are no kids in GTA 5?

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Yinepi
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But can you really say that he'd be against torture and government instigated torture given his persona? Even with his anarchistic tendencies surely someone that enjoys killing, robbing and eating people would enjoy torture regardless of the circumstance.

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TheSantader25
Just now, Yinepi said:

But can you really say that he'd be against torture and government instigated torture given his persona? Even with his Anarchistic tendencies surely someone that enjoys killing, robbing and eating people to enjoy torture regardless of the circumstance.

He didn't say he is against torture tbh. He just said that torture is useless when it comes to getting info. You just do it for fun. And that's what he did and it was clear that he enjoyed it. 

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Yinepi

If he enjoyed it then there would've been no need for a sappy monologue about it. People who enjoy things don't need to rationalize their enjoyment.

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TheSantader25
Just now, Yinepi said:

If he enjoyed it then there would've been no need for a sappy monologue about it. People who enjoy things don't need to rationalize their enjoyment.

Well given the character that Trevor is why not? He always likes to talk about his philosophy when it comes to different things with other people and it's evident throughout the game. 

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Yinepi
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Because for this particular part of the story it's out of character and feels more like a way for Rockstar to tell the player that they don't condone torture than something that's actually relevant to the story. That's another thing, the torture mission itself isn't even relevant to the storyline. The player doesn't need to be bothered with such a thing and a simple cutscene for it could've done the job just fine without having to force players to partake in it for some odd experiment and to get people riled up and talking.

It was honestly one of the weakest parts of the writing for the V storyline, even weaker than that odd romance with Patricia.

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LeslieFromTheShoIntimacy
53 minutes ago, Yinepi said:

I never felt the torture scene had a purpose honestly.

 

 

Rockstar had Trevor create a monologue about how torture is wrong 

You answered yourself. Obviously it served a purpose; that purpose was to convey a message that torture is wrong.  Was it forced, out-of-place, and unbelievable afterwards, yes; but it still served a purpose which you have already acknowledged. 

 

 

To the OP; I think it’s quite obvious. The only people calling for kids in the game are kids themselves, and sickos.

 

You could make the argument that taking any human life is wrong, wether that human is 17 years old or 18 years old or any age. But one is still considered a minor, legally unfit to make decisions and judgements on their own. Is killing a 29 year old man any less evil than killing a 16 year old ? No, it’s disgusting either way, but kids are seen as innocent (even though they are not) and defenseless. Kids have no place in this game, it won’t help with immersion, and frankly I don’t know why there’s always a troll that comes around suggesting that there should be kids and school buses in GTA.  It has no place, period.

 

I just wanted to say, to add a little real life factor to this discussion, juveniles are responsible for most of the crime in my area, it’s become epidemic.  Auto Burglaries, armed carjacking, and armed robberies have soared in the past few months.  Just recently a 15 year old shot a lady dead and shot her husband who caught him breaking into her car.  It’s kids under 18 that are committing most of the violent crimes where I live in real life; they are violent, armed, and dangerous, with little thought of the consequences of their actions... yet still they have absolutely no place in GTA.  No way.

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Yinepi
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What's interesting is that Rockstar has already had juvenile violence in Bully, so it's clear they didn't have an aversion to the portrayal of a juvenile criminal. Sure none of the NPCs could be technically killed, but there was still depicted violence toward adolescents.

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LeslieFromTheShoIntimacy
4 minutes ago, Yinepi said:

What's interesting is that Rockstar has already had juvenile violence in Bully, so it's clear they didn't have an aversion to the portrayal of a juvenile criminal.

Physical fight ≠ Homicide  

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Yinepi

I had never said it was. Don't jump to conclusions.

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LeslieFromTheShoIntimacy
2 minutes ago, Yinepi said:

I had never said it was. Don't jump to conclusions.

Not jumping to conclusions friend, just responding to the relevant discussion.  I figured someone would bring up Bully.. but frankly, Bully is irrelevant because assault and murder are very different.  Last I checked, there are no firearms or deadly armaments in Bully, just stink bombs, slingshots, and fists.

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KingAJ032304
On 5/28/2019 at 11:57 AM, Soggy biscuits said:

This is a retarded post. Killing kids is f*cked up, why is this even a question and why would u want them in the game? For it to be "MoRe ReAliStIC"? Grow a brain.

 

Either way the game is f*cked up. Killing adults, killing kids, there is a difference, but not that much of a difference. Adding kids would bring a lot of hate to the game, but as I said, killing minors and baby's who are crying and sh*t was an automatic weapon, it's way too much for anyone to handle.

You know what's funny? GTA adults DON'T act like actual people or otherwise your hear them crying and telling you all the reasons you can't kill them and it WILL make you feel bad. Adding kids is where they will finally give adults this ability if they REALLY want realistic kids.

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Yinepi
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49 minutes ago, LeslieFromTheShoIntimacy said:

Not jumping to conclusions friend, just responding to the relevant discussion.  I figured someone would bring up Bully.. but frankly, Bully is irrelevant because assault and murder are very different.  Last I checked, there are no firearms or deadly armaments in Bully, just stink bombs, slingshots, and fists.

Doesn't the spud gun technically counts as a firearm? And the fire crackers are explosives. In reality both could kill a person, but they don't kill in Bully because the theme and tone of the game didn't really call for full on homicide. Having kids hold their crotch and lay on the ground goes more in hand with the juvenile nature of the game.

The only reason why I brought up Bully was because it's another Rockstar tittle that featured violence toward adolescents and shows that Rockstar aren't afraid to depict kids and violence together in the same game.

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14 minutes ago, Yinepi said:

Doesn't the spud gun technically counts as a firearm? And the fire crackers are explosives. In reality both could kill a person, but they don't kill in Bully because the theme and tone of the game didn't really call for full on homicide. Having kids hold their crotch and lay on the ground goes more in hand with the juvenile nature of the game.

The only reason why I brought up Bully was because it's another Rockstar tittle that featured violence toward adolescents and shows that Rockstar aren't afraid to depict kids and violence together in the same game.

 

No, the spud gun doesn’t count as a firearm.  BB guns, water guns, paintball guns, etc do not count as firearms.  You could seriously injure someone with a BB gun or paintball gun, but they’re not firearms, not even technically.  In reality a potato shooter could kill? Lol I guess

 

I agree about the firecrackers, definitely could kill or dismember someone in real life, but yet they were still toned down to be relatively weak.  I mean, in reality you could kill someone with your fists, beat them to death, yet the fists weren’t a lethal weapon in Bully, nothing was; because it goes with the juvenile nature of the game you have alluded to, which brings me to my next point:

 

I get that Bully was made by R*, but It’s NOT kids and violence that they are scared to put together. Kid on Kid violence isn’t so taboo that R* doesn’t want to touch it ... It’s kids and the free ability to murder and maim them whenever, however, playing as an adult protagonist that R*, and pretty much any other game developer, wants to avoid.

 

I can see it already.. GTA 6 with that new mission where you hijack a school bus full of kids and then go into the school and.. wait.. that’s not gonna go over well with the public. 

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Yinepi

Well not with all the school shooting stuff that seems to happening in the US I think.

Personally I don't get the double standard with kids and murder in games. We can kill adult humans and animals and it's all okay, but bring a kid into the picture and now its taboo. Why exactly? In the end it's all just polygons with no real connections to anything in our reality.

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LeslieFromTheShoIntimacy
15 minutes ago, Yinepi said:

Well not with all the school shooting stuff that seems to happening in the US I think.

Personally I don't get the double standard with kids and murder in games. We can kill adult humans and animals and it's all okay, but bring a kid into the picture and now its taboo. Why exactly? In the end it's all just polygons with no real connections to anything in our reality.

 

Well, I agree that it’s kind of a double standard, but there are reasons and I’ve already mentioned a good hypothesis on why:

 

1 hour ago, LeslieFromTheShoIntimacy said:

You could make the argument that taking any human life is wrong, wether that human is 17 years old or 18 years old or any age. But one is still considered a minor, legally unfit to make decisions and judgements on their own...

 

... but kids are seen as innocent (even though they are not) and defenseless. 

 Not saying it’s right or wrong, but that’s the perception; even if completely inaccurate.

 

It’s not more OK to kill an adult than a child.  It’s not that the adult’s life is worth less than the child’s.  My guess is that, adults are considered capable of defending themselves and assume the risk of something happening by being out in public.  It’s probably less shocking and repulsive to take a wrench to the head of some big burly musclepunk dude than a group of teenagers in school uniforms.

 

 

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