H-G Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 This is a unique type of topic (or at least that's what I think). In here, you take any GTA character's actions/doings/whatever and explain how he/she could've done the thing they wanted in a different way. Here's are some examples: 1. Instead of letting countless innocent people die in the Fort Staunton explosion, Toni could've just had the entire district emptied before the explosives would go off. 2. Instead of committing crimes to make money, Niko could've just sent a fake CV to Tom Goldberg (or any other company) and worked for him to earn money. The Tracker, ThatBenGuy1998, SanLiberty and 2 others 5 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheatz/Trickz Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 You’re joking about Niko being a legit lawyer right? Right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted May 16, 2019 Author Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) On 5/16/2019 at 11:53 PM, Cheatz/Trickz said: You’re joking about Niko being a legit lawyer right? Right?? Of course! Now get on the topic, please. 1. Instead of working for Tenpenny, Pulaski and Toreno, CJ could've just broken Sweet out of prison. A much better thing. 2. Instead of letting Maria talk about her and Claude being an item, Claude could've just taped Maria's mouth shut after "Chaperone". Then, things wouldn't have been so bad for him in Portland. Edited February 4, 2020 by The Eddo xXxKAMIKAZExXx 1 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 But Niko has no credentials or training to be lawyer and even if he tried to pass himself off as legitimate, Goldberg would check his references and find out he never worked/studied at the places he claimed to have. Copcaller, [Ambient] and Shred N Slash 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOUGL4S1 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) -insert "Rockstar could've just made GTA:O/RD:O good" rant here- Anyways, Claude had a shotgun, he could've just shot Catalina when he heard her first shot being fired. Edited May 16, 2019 by DOUGL4S1 SanLiberty, Copcaller and DimitriFaustin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 -CJ could've just reasoned/negotiated with the foreman that was harassing Kendl instead of being all "psycho" about it and burying him alive in concrete. Mattineu, Shred N Slash, TNT Goes Boom! and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, SonOfLiberty said: -CJ could've just reasoned/negotiated with the foreman that was harassing Kendl instead of being all "psycho" about it and burying him alive in concrete. The foreman was just saying things to her. And yeah, CJ could've just talked to him about it. It's weird how sometimes CJ is a wimp and sometimes a total psycho. I think R* were going for a "saddened by his mother's death" thing for CJ's personality, but it didn't work out. Anyways, more stuff: 1. Instead of R* making Ryder a terrible "antagonist", they could've just killed him off in "The Green Sabre" during the fight with the Ballas. 2. Instead of leaving the coke at their apartment, Vic and Lance could've just stashed it somewhere more safer so their mother wouldn't be able to steal it. EDIT: My 1,000th post! Edited May 17, 2019 by The Eddo Evil empire, TNT Goes Boom!, AkshayKumar and 3 others 5 1 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 - Instead of destroying a house Michael could've just gone to Dr Friedlander for couples therapy with Amanda when he caught her with the tennis coach, thus avoiding the entire story of GTA V UltraGizmo64, Mattineu, TNT Goes Boom! and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said: - Instead of destroying a house Michael could've just gone to Dr Friedlander for couples therapy with Amanda when he caught her with the tennis coach, thus avoiding the entire story of GTA V This is the part many people get wrong about V's story. They assume the story wouldn't have happened if Amanda hadn't slept with the coach. But it still would. The Dialogue(with Franklin in the truck) before Madrazo confronts Michael and pretty much the shown desire from Michael to cause havoc in the previous missions shows that he is desperately looking for excuses to get back in the game. Sooner or later he would have found the excuse even if Amanda hadn't slept with the coach. Michael's hypocricy forces him to look for excuses instead of actually admitting that he truly wanted to go back to crime. Edited May 17, 2019 by TheSantader25 KingAJ032304, TNT Goes Boom!, SanLiberty and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioshenka Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 12 hours ago, universetwisters said: But Niko has no credentials or training to be lawyer and even if he tried to pass himself off as legitimate, Goldberg would check his references and find out he never worked/studied at the places he claimed to have. "After graduation with distinction from Mladic Belgrade Law School (destroyed by NATO together with all archives), I pursued further career in justice by working for a government organisation in a humanitarian field helping those affected by the conflict. I maintained close contact with the victims and ensured that the justice prevailed in all of my cases". Technically, this is correct. Copcaller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 4 hours ago, TheSantader25 said: This is the part many people get wrong about V's story. They assume the story wouldn't have happened if Amanda hadn't slept with the coach. But it still would. The Dialogue(with Franklin in the truck) before Madrazo confronts Michael and pretty much the shown desire from Michael to cause havoc in the previous missions shows that he is desperately looking for excuses to get back in the game. Sooner or later he would have found the excuse even if Amanda hadn't slept with the coach. Michael's hypocricy forces him to look for excuses instead of actually admitting that he truly wanted to go back to crime. Basically the entire story funnels through the existence of the consequences of this one event. Removing it kinda shows how weak and fragile the rest of the story is since it's dependent on what happens here. If Michael didn't tear down the house he wouldn't of had to pay back Madrazo, in turn Trevor wouldn't have seen the Vangelico heist on tv and so on. I've always felt the protagonists in GTA V have to be some of the luckiest people in the whole world. The odds of Franklin being the guy to be break into Michael's house after randomly meeting him at the beach have to be 1 in a million and Trevor just catching a glimpse of a TV broadcast for a moment and recalling some quote from 10 years before are incredibly lucky. Sure it's plausible Michael could've eventually got back into the game I guess, but the removal of this one event drastically alters the rest of the story no matter how you look at it. H-G, Beastly40, TNT Goes Boom! and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, SonOfLiberty said: Basically the entire story funnels through the existence of the consequences of this one event. Removing it kinda shows how weak and fragile the rest of the story is since it's dependent on what happens here. If Michael didn't tear down the house he wouldn't of had to pay back Madrazo, in turn Trevor wouldn't have seen the Vangelico heist on tv and so on. I've always felt the protagonists in GTA V have to be some of the luckiest people in the whole world. The odds of Franklin being the guy to be break into Michael's house after randomly meeting him at the beach have to be 1 in a million and Trevor just catching a glimpse of a TV broadcast for a moment and recalling some quote from 10 years before are incredibly lucky. Sure it's plausible Michael could've eventually got back into the game I guess, but the removal of this one event drastically alters the rest of the story no matter how you look at it. Disagreed. Removing the tearing down the house part wouldn't change anything. Michael was desperate and looking for excuses and would get back to the game eventually. Taking scores would eventually cause Trevor to recognize the similarities. Trevor was a pretty "up to date" guy despite living in a sh*thole. He followed the world's news closely. It could be from a quote or some other similarity. He would eventually find out as well. Any story in fiction or even in real life is basically a chain of events. IV's story wouldn't have happened if Niko wasn't stupid enough to believe a bunch of emails without proof or if he wouldn't have killed Vlad. This is how life is and "accidental lucky" things happen in life as well. We could sit down and say "what if that never happened" but in the end it "did" happen and just like any action it had consequences. Also Michael didn't even recognize that Franklin was the dude from the beach. So that basically had no effect on the story. It's just there to show how the world "exists". Just like how many of IV's characters accidentally bump into each other. Edited May 17, 2019 by TheSantader25 MaddenedGhost and DimitriFaustin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: Disagreed. Removing the tearing down the house part wouldn't change anything. It would change the fact he was in debt to Madrazo. How can you say it wouldn't change anything when it would? That's like saying Niko not killing Vlad wouldn't have changed anything. 26 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: Trevor was a pretty "up to date" guy despite living in a sh*thole. He followed the world's news closely. It could be from a quote or some other similarity. That really wasn't my point. I just thought he got lucky by catching a glimpse of the TV broadcast, but since we're talking about the events leading up to this if they were erased then it wouldn't matter if Trevor was up to date because none of this would've happened. 26 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: IV's story wouldn't have happened if Niko wasn't stupid enough to believe a bunch of emails without proof or if he wouldn't have killed Vlad. *sigh* Something in my gut told me you would snap back by attacking GTA IV, but you ignore Niko's ulterior motive was to track down Florian and Darko. If you say GTA V's story can exist by other means then I can say that for GTA IV too since Niko already had a motivation and he wasn't looking for any other excuses like Michael, TNT Goes Boom!, KingAJ032304, H-G and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, SonOfLiberty said: It would change the fact he was in debt to Madrazo. How can you say it wouldn't change anything when it would? That's like saying Niko not killing Vlad wouldn't have changed anything. That really wasn't my point. I just thought he got lucky by catching a glimpse of the TV broadcast, but since we're talking about the events leading up to this if they were erased then it wouldn't matter if Trevor was up to date because none of this would've happened. *sigh* Something in my gut told me you would snap back by attacking GTA IV, but you ignore Niko's ulterior motive was to track down Florian and Darko. If you say GTA V's story can exist by other means then I can say that for GTA IV too since Niko already had a motivation and he wasn't looking for any other excuses like Michael, He wouldn't be in debt to Madrazo but probably sooner or later ge would f*ck up someone else's house. Or kill some other dude. Eventually getting himself to trouble, Having to do favors to repay his f*ck ups and ultimately alerting Trevor. There were many ways R* could have done the whole "Trevor finding about Michael" thing. They chose to go with him finding about him via the quote. That's it. It doesn't change the events because the characters have established personalities that would lead up to these events one way or another. That's my point as well. I brought up the IV examples so you could see anything is basically a chain of events that are caused by the character's personality. "Accidents" happen in any story or real life as well. I have accidentally bumped into my childhood friends I hadn't heard of for a long time and we can't say that is cheap writing in "life". These things happen. We could say the same things you said about V in regards to IV as well but they are ultimately wrong. This all would happen in IV anyway as well. Now let's stop this because I am in a busy period of my life. Just chilling on a break on this forum for a moment and I hope I don't get into pointless arguments. 2019 goals active. Edited May 17, 2019 by TheSantader25 Algonquin Assassin and MaddenedGhost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: He wouldn't be in debt to Madrazo but probably sooner or later ge would f*ck up someone else's house. Or kill some other dude. Eventually getting himself to trouble, Having to do favors to repay his f*ck ups and ultimately alerting Trevor. There were many ways R* could have done the whole "Trevor finding about Michael" thing. They chose to go with him finding abou him via the quote. That's it. It doesn't change the events because the characters have established personal that would lead up to these events one way or another. But it would still change his debt to Madrazo. I only care about facts my dude. 11 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: That's my point as well. I brought up the IV examples so you could see anything is basically a chain of events that are caused by the character's personality. We could say the same things you said about V in regards to IV as well vut they are ultimately wrong. This all would happen in IV anyway as well. Of course. I mean really no GTA story could technically exist if you changed something pivotal right at the start. It's true of any story medium whether it's a game, movie, tv show, novel etc. I'm not saying GTA IV's immune from this it's just the example brought up for GTA V is a really good one is all. 11 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said: Now let's stop this because I am in. A busy period of my life. Just chilling on a break on this forum for a moment and I hope I don't get into pointless arguments. 2019 goals active. You're still cool in my book. I usually argue with my friends over pointless things. H-G, TNT Goes Boom!, ThatBenGuy1998 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Penguin Bobo Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) when you see SonOfLiberty and TheSantader25 argue for the 50th time in a thread https://images.app.goo.gl/sCDqn1pVKxWHcEQy5 Edited May 17, 2019 by El Penguin Bobo Algonquin Assassin, Yinepi, ThatBenGuy1998 and 8 others 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, El Penguin Bobo said: when you see SonOfLiberty and TheSantader25 argue for the 50th time in a thread https://images.app.goo.gl/sCDqn1pVKxWHcEQy5 But then it's like... I find the people I argue/debate with I usually have stronger bonds with. Funny how the world works sometimes, but no harm no foul I think. El Penguin Bobo, Cjrememberthat, TNT Goes Boom! and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 @SonOfLiberty and @TheSantader25: Either get back on the topic or take your arguments to PM, this is way too much off-topic here. Anyways: 1. Instead of using an RC helicopter, Tommy could've just run into the building site and planted the bombs in "Demolition Man". 2. Instead of doing so much work and running errands, Tommy could've just killed Diaz and taken over after the first mission since it's obvious from the first dialogue about who ambushed the deal. 3. Instead of letting OG Loc and B-Dup get away, CJ could've just killed them since they basically betrayed Grove Street Families in one way or another. TNT Goes Boom! and ThatBenGuy1998 2 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Eddo said: @SonOfLiberty and @TheSantader25: Either get back on the topic or take your arguments to PM, this is way too much off-topic here. Anyways: 1. Instead of using an RC helicopter, Tommy could've just run into the building site and planted the bombs in "Demolition Man". But then the builders would've attacked him with hammers instead of getting chopped up by helicopter blades . Also he could've been seen/identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted May 17, 2019 Author Share Posted May 17, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, billiejoearmstrong8 said: But then the builders would've attacked him with hammers instead of getting chopped up by helicopter blades . Also he could've been seen/identified. Tommy would've just worn that "masked bank robber" outfit to avoid attention or killed all the workers to prevent any witnesses then. Edited May 17, 2019 by The Eddo H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Algonquin Assassin Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 9 hours ago, The Eddo said: @SonOfLiberty and @TheSantader25: Either get back on the topic or take your arguments to PM, this is way too much off-topic here. Anyways: This was already resolved... Anyway... -CJ could've just killed Madd Dogg's manager another way. I've always disliked CJ for the fact he doesn't seem to care about the completely innocent woman that ends up dying because of his carelessness. Maybe after stealing the car he could've just drove to some secluded spot and let them both out to let the woman escape and killed the manager some other way like gunning him down or something. ThatBenGuy1998, TNT Goes Boom!, iiCriminnaaL and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatBenGuy1998 Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Good thread, OP. As a matter of fact, I’ve been thinking of a similar thread. Johnny Klebitz could’ve just been one of the final antagonists in the end instead of being killed off so early. Same goes for Clay Simons and Terry Thorpe. Yes, I know it’s been said about a thousand times, but whatevs. Trevor and Franklin could’ve just not really done much work for the FIB. Seriously, it was really only Michael who needed to be working for them tbh -_- I don’t know how popular of an opinion this is but Michelle could’ve just been an Italian Mafia seductress instead of an undercover agent. With that being said, she could’ve been the one to introduce Niko and Packie to Ray Boccino. Francis McReary could’ve just been an IAA agent instead of a regular street cop and also been the one to introduce Niko to the ULP contact. Tommy Vercetti could’ve just known how to swim. Seriously, he lives right next to a beach! TNT Goes Boom!, iiCriminnaaL, LegitimatePride and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted May 18, 2019 Author Share Posted May 18, 2019 - Instead of following Millie to her house and you-know-what, CJ could've just followed her to know where she lives and then simply burgled the house at night to steal the keycard, like in Home Invasion. In fact, Millie could've just been a male croupier. - Instead of attacking a high-profile military base to steal a skycrane to in turn steal a bank van in "Up, Up and Away!", CJ could've just stolen the bank van with a couple of recruits, like he stole the cop bikes in "Cop Wheels". Not to mention, it would've been lesser over-the-top that way and it would've also earned CJ and the heist crew some extra cash. - Instead of using a big plane to get to the Sherman Dam in "Dam and Blast", CJ could've just gotten there using other ways of traveling and then jumped into the water to sneak in. SanLiberty, ThatBenGuy1998, TNT Goes Boom! and 2 others 5 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) - Instead of wearing an undershirt vest, CJ could've just worn something else from the Binco clothing store if R* wanted his starting clothes to be from that store. He could've just worn the White T-Shirt at the very least. And seriously, how the hell did he travel from Liberty City to San Andreas in a vest without anyone noticing? LOL. - Instead of having really broken pathfinding, the peds following the player in SA could've just been coded well enough to not go ten blocks away from the player to find a suitable path to get to him. Edited May 23, 2019 by The Eddo TNT Goes Boom!, ROCKSTAR MANIC and iiCriminnaaL 3 H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iiCriminnaaL Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 1 hour ago, The Eddo said: - Instead of wearing an undershirt vest, CJ could've just worn something else from the Binco clothing store if R* wanted his starting clothes to be from that store. He could've just worn the White T-Shirt at the very least. And seriously, how the hell did he travel from Liberty City to San Andreas in a vest without anyone noticing? LOL. I've always found this ironic as well. Looking back in the game's trailers, you can see that CJ was intended to have more appropriate clothes for the travel, as well as in The Introduction. But I guess R* intended to give him that "gangsta" vibe by changing the default torso to the white vest. ROCKSTAR MANIC, TNT Goes Boom! and H-G 3 My workshop of modifications Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yinepi Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 9 hours ago, The Eddo said: - Instead of wearing an undershirt vest, CJ could've just worn something else from the Binco clothing store if R* wanted his starting clothes to be from that store. He could've just worn the White T-Shirt at the very least. And seriously, how the hell did he travel from Liberty City to San Andreas in a vest without anyone noticing? LOL. But then CJ wouldn't have the wife-beater look. (White tank, blue jeans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OG Freddy LOC Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 9 hours ago, The Eddo said: - Instead of wearing an undershirt vest, CJ could've just worn something else from the Binco clothing store if R* wanted his starting clothes to be from that store. He could've just worn the White T-Shirt at the very least. And seriously, how the hell did he travel from Liberty City to San Andreas in a vest without anyone noticing? LOL. - Instead of having really broken pathfinding, the peds following the player in SA could've just been coded well enough to not go ten blocks away from the player to find a suitable path to get to him. Or CJ could just have skip this mission with Cesar including the sniper rifle and let T-Bone go. As the story requires take out Ryder and avoid 5stars visit the well stacked pizza instead of going wet with Mendez. Armando & Diego Mendez of the Cartel should have just eliminated the Vance crime family in VCS instead of Cassidy hooking up with the Hunter and taking all out against the Cartel. The Sharks eventually got rid of the Vance crime family in the end taking over VC together with their partners the surviving members of the Mendez cartel now led by T-bone Mendez? .story is to be continued.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H-G Posted May 24, 2019 Author Share Posted May 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Yinepi said: But then CJ wouldn't have the wife-beater look. (White tank, blue jeans) It's more like cheapskate look, LOL. H-G's Workshop https://gtaforums.com/topic/905964-h-gs-workshop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 On 5/24/2019 at 10:55 AM, The Eddo said: It's more like cheapskate look, LOL. Yeah and I think this is actually the idea lol, you start the game in the cheapest possible clothes and progress from there all the way to Didier Sachs suits. H-G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 On 5/23/2019 at 1:27 PM, The Eddo said: how the hell did he travel from Liberty City to San Andreas in a vest without anyone noticing? LOL. I rode a plane from Germany to Norway next to a guy smelling of piss wearing underwear and a hoodie. It happens. H-G 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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