Jasmyn Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 (edited) First time I was in defensie mode some woman tried to lasso me and the lasso just went right through my body like I was made of air. I shot her with my shotgun, but had to free aim to point my shotgun at her, the autolock didn't lock on her. After that shot, the game made me offense and my violence went to medium. This is just what I'm expecting from defensive mode... Edited May 18, 2019 by jamsroob Typo -LN- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftover Pizza Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Defensive mode needs an upgradable option: Weekend Warriors mode, because in every mmo in the past 20 years, there's always that group of players. Jasmyn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assblaster Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, jamsroob said: First time I was in defensie mode some woman tried to lasso me and the lasso just went right through my body like I was made of air. I shot her with my shotgun, but had to free aim to point my shotgun at her, the autolock didn't lock on her. After that shot, the game made me offense and my violence went to medium. This is just what IexI'mpecting from defensive mode... They have to either shoot you with a gun or shoot at you and miss, for you to be able to kill them free and clear. Considering you get more resistance to shots and you've got permanent slippery in defense mode, it's not a bad deal unless they have explosives or blast you point blank with a shotty. Jasmyn, -LN-, Chunkey_Monkey and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
§†range Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 On 5/15/2019 at 9:04 PM, gtafan1995 said: I love defensive mode. It works perfectly for me. This guy started shooting me randomly and after me hitting him once he ran away and killed himself by falling off a cliff. The new EWO Red Lynx 23 and IceHeartache 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftover Pizza Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 Just got rammed by an idiot on a stage coach and shot in the head afterwards. That's what they use now to bother Defensive players? Oh my, that's gonna be a lot of fun...... Red Lynx 23 and Xtf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT2YIELD Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 One thing that bothers me, your honor still goes down for defending yourself? I was defensive, someone shot me in the back, I pumped them full of lead, but then I get my honor knocked and the law shooting at me? Seems unfair (unless I’m somehow mistaken) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftover Pizza Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, NT2YIELD said: One thing that bothers me, your honor still goes down for defending yourself? I was defensive, someone shot me in the back, I pumped them full of lead, but then I get my honor knocked and the law shooting at me? Seems unfair (unless I’m somehow mistaken) Wait until their dot goes red. You can kill them without worries then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT2YIELD Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 26 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said: Wait until their dot goes red. You can kill them without worries then. It did go red, but I guess there’s more of a story. After he shot me, I ran into a saloon and up the stairs, when he chased me, then I shot him. So I guess there are some possibilities: 1) I waited too long 2) the player who chased me wasn’t the one who shot me (though I didn’t see more than one on the map) 3) a bullet missed him and struck a bystander in the saloon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkey_Monkey Posted May 19, 2019 Author Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Coxbox said: You are getting confused, the way it works is when a player shoots someone, in defensive mode they become aggressive and show up as a red dot. The person who was shot is then free to defend himself without any increase in their hostility. In other words if I get shot once in defensive mode i can shoot the other person as much as i like because they shot me first. You cannot shoot then as much as you like or you will go red and offensive, you can only kill the aggressor 3 times without consequence Edited May 19, 2019 by Mad-Monkey_1st Chrismads 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxbox Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Mad-Monkey_1st said: You cannot shoot then as much as you like or you will go red and offensive, you can only kill the aggressor 3 times without consequence Thankyou this is good to know Chunkey_Monkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netnow66 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 If you are getting killed while in Defensive mode, Rockstar may be interested in seeing videos of it. Here is the conversation I have been having with Rockstar support over the last few days. If you're a griefer or are pro griefer, I get that you don't see a problem here. Fine. However, if you are anti griefer and got killed or have videos of Defensive players getting killed, you might want to contact Rockstar and report it as a glitch as I did. ----------------------------------------------- (Rockstar support name) (Rockstar Support) May 18, 05:56 EDT Hello (my name) , Thank you for your response. We understand that although you are in defensive mode, other players are causing the trouble. We would look into this, before that could you please provide us with a video where you are in defensive mode but still other players are attacking. This will give us a better picture of the issue. We appreciate your continuous patience. If the video is too long to upload to this ticket, please add an unlisted video to YouTube and provide us with the direct link to it. Once we have this information, we will research your issue and get back with you when we reach a resolution. Please let us know if you have any questions or need assistance with any of these steps. Best regards, (Rockstar support name) Rockstar Support ------------------------------------ (my name) May 17, 07:31 EDT What I need here is some honesty. Submitting to Rockstar Feedback never gets me answers (you can check my account to see how many submissions I have sent in). I need to find out if the mechanics of Red Dead Online are working and I'm not getting a clear answer from you as of yet. I'm sorry to keep bothering you but I need clarity as far as the Offensive/Defensive mechanic is concerned. As I told you, I and other players are still getting killed by griefers while in game. Is Offensive/Defensive working as intended? Are players supposed to be able to kill me so easily? If Offensive/Defensive is working as intended now, will anything EVER be done to prevent us from being griefed in game? Bottom line, just be honest and tell us players if we will ever be able to play in "a fun and fair environment for everyone" as was stated in the Red Dead Online ads. The game is out of beta now and some of us need to know if we spent our money wisely or not. I purposely bought this game for the online portion knowing that Rockstar promised "a fun and fair environment for everyone." Now that the game is out of beta, will you or someone else at Rockstar be honest enough to tell us what to expect? Will we ever be able to be free from griefers in "a fun and fair environment for everyone"? ________________________________ (Rockstar support name) (Rockstar Support) May 16, 23:11 EDT Hello (my name) , Thank you for your reply. We certainly understand frustration with regards to other players in the game. We apologize for the inconvenience. We would like to inform you that once theses players are reported in the game, we will look into these players. To keep the gameplay environment as fair as possible for legitimate players, we routinely do sweeps to separate out cheaters and modders in the game. Also, if you would like to provide feedback or ideas for Red Dead Online, please submit it via this link http://www.reddeadonline.com/feedback. We will appreciate your patience and understanding. If you have any other issues or queries, please feel free to contact us. Best regards, (Rockstar support name) Rockstar Support ---------------------------------------------- (my name) May 16, 07:15 EDT I am reading and seeing reports from other players who are also complaining about being griefed while in Defensive mode. Defensive mode is not working, at least not to the degree that it is actually defending people! It seems that all you have to do is shotgun someone in the back and they die. We waited all this time for you to stop the griefing and now the game is no longer in beta. Are you going to leave us to be griefed by these idiots every time we log in? I shouldn't have to get killed by some fool and THEN block him. Is Rockstar going to protect players from griefers or not? Your promotional copy said that Red Dead Online would be "a fun and fair environment for everyone." Now that the game is no longer in beta, are you going to ensure that these miscreants cannot attack us or not? Many of us waited for Offensive/Defensive because you said it would prevent griefing. It is not working as it is now, at least to the extent that it is actually preventing me from being griefed. ________________________________ (Rockstar support name) (Rockstar Support) May 16, 04:39 EDT Hello (my name) , Thank you for contacting Rockstar Support. We understand that you are unable to play game due to other player in Red Dead Online. We apologize for the inconvenience. Unwanted player interactions can be dealt with by blocking the offending user using platform tools. Below are some steps you can take to block interactions as well as report behavior that you feel rises to the level of abuse. If at any time you feel there is a threat to your personal safety, please contact your local police department. Use the block / mute features on your platform to prevent the player from communicating with you.https://www.playstation.com/en-nz/get-help/help-library/my-account/parental-controls/how-to-use-your-playstation-4-to-block-or-unblock-a-playstation-/ Do let us know if you have any other issues or queries. We are happy to assist you. Best regards, (Rockstar support name) Rockstar Support ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (my name) May 15, 11:50 EDT What the hell? I'm playing in Defensive mode and some player rides up and blasts me! What is Defensive mode for if these aXXXXXX griefers can continue to kill me? Is this some kind of a glitch or is this working as intended? The players name is (the griefer's name) and after killing me, I parleyed and he walked up into my face and started doing emotes. I then pressed charges, then reported in game, then blocked him on PSN. I'm pretty sure I recorded the video also, if it is needed. I need to know what is expected from me as an RDO player. I took the time to put my character into Defensive mode and I still got attacked. What is going on?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftover Pizza Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, netnow66 said: If you are getting killed while in Defensive mode, Rockstar may be interested in seeing videos of it. Here is the conversation I have been having with Rockstar support over the last few days. If you're a griefer or are pro griefer, I get that you don't see a problem here. Fine. However, if you are anti griefer and got killed or have videos of Defensive players getting killed, you might want to contact Rockstar and report it as a glitch as I did. ----------------------------------------------- (Rockstar support name) (Rockstar Support) May 18, 05:56 EDT Hello (my name) , Thank you for your response. We understand that although you are in defensive mode, other players are causing the trouble. We would look into this, before that could you please provide us with a video where you are in defensive mode but still other players are attacking. This will give us a better picture of the issue. We appreciate your continuous patience. If the video is too long to upload to this ticket, please add an unlisted video to YouTube and provide us with the direct link to it. Once we have this information, we will research your issue and get back with you when we reach a resolution. Please let us know if you have any questions or need assistance with any of these steps. Best regards, (Rockstar support name) Rockstar Support ------------------------------------ (my name) May 17, 07:31 EDT What I need here is some honesty. Submitting to Rockstar Feedback never gets me answers (you can check my account to see how many submissions I have sent in). I need to find out if the mechanics of Red Dead Online are working and I'm not getting a clear answer from you as of yet. I'm sorry to keep bothering you but I need clarity as far as the Offensive/Defensive mechanic is concerned. As I told you, I and other players are still getting killed by griefers while in game. Is Offensive/Defensive working as intended? Are players supposed to be able to kill me so easily? If Offensive/Defensive is working as intended now, will anything EVER be done to prevent us from being griefed in game? Bottom line, just be honest and tell us players if we will ever be able to play in "a fun and fair environment for everyone" as was stated in the Red Dead Online ads. The game is out of beta now and some of us need to know if we spent our money wisely or not. I purposely bought this game for the online portion knowing that Rockstar promised "a fun and fair environment for everyone." Now that the game is out of beta, will you or someone else at Rockstar be honest enough to tell us what to expect? Will we ever be able to be free from griefers in "a fun and fair environment for everyone"? ________________________________ (Rockstar support name) (Rockstar Support) May 16, 23:11 EDT Hello (my name) , Thank you for your reply. We certainly understand frustration with regards to other players in the game. We apologize for the inconvenience. We would like to inform you that once theses players are reported in the game, we will look into these players. To keep the gameplay environment as fair as possible for legitimate players, we routinely do sweeps to separate out cheaters and modders in the game. Also, if you would like to provide feedback or ideas for Red Dead Online, please submit it via this link http://www.reddeadonline.com/feedback. We will appreciate your patience and understanding. If you have any other issues or queries, please feel free to contact us. Best regards, (Rockstar support name) Rockstar Support ---------------------------------------------- (my name) May 16, 07:15 EDT I am reading and seeing reports from other players who are also complaining about being griefed while in Defensive mode. Defensive mode is not working, at least not to the degree that it is actually defending people! It seems that all you have to do is shotgun someone in the back and they die. We waited all this time for you to stop the griefing and now the game is no longer in beta. Are you going to leave us to be griefed by these idiots every time we log in? I shouldn't have to get killed by some fool and THEN block him. Is Rockstar going to protect players from griefers or not? Your promotional copy said that Red Dead Online would be "a fun and fair environment for everyone." Now that the game is no longer in beta, are you going to ensure that these miscreants cannot attack us or not? Many of us waited for Offensive/Defensive because you said it would prevent griefing. It is not working as it is now, at least to the extent that it is actually preventing me from being griefed. ________________________________ (Rockstar support name) (Rockstar Support) May 16, 04:39 EDT Hello (my name) , Thank you for contacting Rockstar Support. We understand that you are unable to play game due to other player in Red Dead Online. We apologize for the inconvenience. Unwanted player interactions can be dealt with by blocking the offending user using platform tools. Below are some steps you can take to block interactions as well as report behavior that you feel rises to the level of abuse. If at any time you feel there is a threat to your personal safety, please contact your local police department. Use the block / mute features on your platform to prevent the player from communicating with you.https://www.playstation.com/en-nz/get-help/help-library/my-account/parental-controls/how-to-use-your-playstation-4-to-block-or-unblock-a-playstation-/ Do let us know if you have any other issues or queries. We are happy to assist you. Best regards, (Rockstar support name) Rockstar Support ----------------------------------------------------------------------- (my name) May 15, 11:50 EDT What the hell? I'm playing in Defensive mode and some player rides up and blasts me! What is Defensive mode for if these aXXXXXX griefers can continue to kill me? Is this some kind of a glitch or is this working as intended? The players name is (the griefer's name) and after killing me, I parleyed and he walked up into my face and started doing emotes. I then pressed charges, then reported in game, then blocked him on PSN. I'm pretty sure I recorded the video also, if it is needed. I need to know what is expected from me as an RDO player. I took the time to put my character into Defensive mode and I still got attacked. What is going on?! Long story short, even when you are in Defensive mode, players can still attack you, if they do so wish. They just can't lock on to you and have to shoot free aim. You will take less damage and the attacking player's hostility rises more, but other than that Defensive mode is not an immunity system. It's a "Don't bother me" setting. You can retaliate without losing Defensive Mode, once your attacker's dot turns red on the map. Nothing more, nothing less. -LN- and Jasmyn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaigeGames Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 55 minutes ago, netnow66 said: If you are getting killed while in Defensive mode, Rockstar may be interested in seeing videos of it. Here is the conversation I have been having with Rockstar support over the last few days. If you're a griefer or are pro griefer, I get that you don't see a problem here. Fine. However, if you are anti griefer and got killed or have videos of Defensive players getting killed, you might want to contact Rockstar and report it as a glitch as I did. You can report it as a glitch all you want, but it's not a glitch that players are killing you while you're in defensive mode and the mechanic is working exactly as Rockstar intended. As stated in the newswire, while in defensive mode you cannot be lassoed or meleed, and you take less damage from weapons. Nowhere does it state that you are immune to being attacked by other players. Defensive mode doesn't make you invincible, it just makes it harder for players to kill you. It's harder to do so, but players are still able to attack you. They just face higher consequences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netnow66 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Leftover Pizza said: It's a "Don't bother me" setting. Too the two previous posters, I kind of agree with most of what you're saying about Defensive mode because that was my initial understanding of it also. Which is why I found it curious when support asked me to send them a video. It would be simple enough for the responder to have told me what you did, but he did not. So, at this point, I'm curious to see where this goes. And I don't view this as a "Don't bother me" setting--it allowed me to be killed. Edited May 20, 2019 by netnow66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftover Pizza Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 1 minute ago, netnow66 said: Two the two previous posters, I kind of agree with most of what you're saying about Defensive mode because that was my initial understanding of it also. Which is why I found it curious when support asked me to send them a video. It would be simple enough for the responder to have told me what you did, but he did not. So, at this point, I'm curious to see where this goes. And I don't view this as a "Don't bother me" setting--it allowed me to be killed. R* support knows jack all. And it's a "don't bother me" setting. Not a "you can't kill me" setting. Xtf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netnow66 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 24 minutes ago, Leftover Pizza said: R* support knows jack all. And it's a "don't bother me" setting. Not a "you can't kill me" setting. Since we can be killed, then Defensive mode is ineffective as a "don't bother me" setting also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxwolfe Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 But that's the intent of it? It was never intended to be a "can't be killed" setting like passive mode in GTAO, I'm not sure what exactly your intent is with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooseCanon Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 Needs some bubble wrap and a don’t look at me sign... Zalwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netnow66 Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Foxwolfe said: But that's the intent of it? It was never intended to be a "can't be killed" setting like passive mode in GTAO, I'm not sure what exactly your intent is with this. My intent is for Rockstar to keep griefers off my butt. The only possible way I have of doing that is to call them out whenever they drop weak solutions on players that don't get that accomplished. Or Rockstar could just simply say, "We will not be implementing anything to keep griefers away from players who want nothing to do with them" if that is the case. Rockstar support didn't say to me, "Oh, these horses' patoots are supposed to be able to kill you," (which I kind of expected, to be honest) they asked me to submit a video. I'm hoping that other players who want nothing to do with griefers do the same. Edited May 19, 2019 by netnow66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalwig Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 hours ago, netnow66 said: My intent is for Rockstar to keep griefers off my butt. Maybe the Sims would be a good game for you. No Homing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxwolfe Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 hours ago, netnow66 said: My intent is for Rockstar to keep griefers off my butt. The only possible way I have of doing that is to call them out whenever they drop weak solutions on players that don't get that accomplished. Or Rockstar could just simply say, "We will not be implementing anything to keep griefers away from players who want nothing to do with them" if that is the case. Rockstar support didn't say to me, "Oh, these horses' patoots are supposed to be able to kill you," (which I kind of expected, to be honest) they asked me to submit a video. I'm hoping that other players who want nothing to do with griefers do the same. Don't get me wrong man I feel for ya and hope a solution gets brought in that you're satisfied with, just seemed like the way they want defensive mode to work is actually currently working so I was confused as to why you were going to all the trouble of the back and forth with support. Also keep in mind support is notorious for giving people the run around at the lower (support) levels with asking about things that aren't even relevant or appearing to not really even grasp what the submitted ticket is actually about. That said, good luck on your endeavors my dude, hope it works out for ya. -LN-, Xtf and netnow66 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assblaster Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 4 hours ago, netnow66 said: My intent is for Rockstar to keep griefers off my butt. The only possible way I have of doing that is to call them out whenever they drop weak solutions on players that don't get that accomplished. Or Rockstar could just simply say, "We will not be implementing anything to keep griefers away from players who want nothing to do with them" if that is the case. Rockstar support didn't say to me, "Oh, these horses' patoots are supposed to be able to kill you," (which I kind of expected, to be honest) they asked me to submit a video. I'm hoping that other players who want nothing to do with griefers do the same. I think you've had some bad encounters which is unlucky but not the norm. I've had only a few since the update but none at all in the last few days. And I don't run through towns looking for safety, I saunter down the street and walk right up to players. I hope you run into better luck with people. I'm having a blast in my sessions, keep at it I'm sure you'll find it's not so bad anymore. -LN- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftover Pizza Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 6 hours ago, netnow66 said: Since we can be killed, then Defensive mode is ineffective as a "don't bother me" setting also. It has been said many times, also by Rockstar. They want you to experience that danger of being shot, like you could have gotten in that time era. They are not implementing any isolated sessions yet, but might if Defensive mode doesn't work out. I'm on the same boat as you are, dude. Haven't been online much, because of them griefers, but I have to say, Defensive Mode works for me. Once in a while I get shot at, but 99,9% of the players leave me be. In the past 5 days I've had 2 or 3 idiots killing me. One used a coach to ram me off my horse and shot me in the head. It's a one kill and he didn't try more. None of the other idiots did either. All it cost me is a few seconds respawning. I can live with that, if it happens on a very rare basis. I'm no saint myself, shoot me and I shoot back. And once in a while, I do like a shoot out in town, killing griefers. But overall, I avoid towns and only go there to sell skins and carcasses. Heck, if my camp would have a butcher, I'd never go to a town. It's a large enough game world, where 25 people van reside without ever seeing eachother. Red Lynx 23 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Hunter Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I don't know how many ways there are of abusing it, but I think it's much better than what we had. That's coming from someone who was very sceptical when it got announced too. NT2YIELD, jazzbone, Sam Doe and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkey_Monkey Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Leftover Pizza said: It has been said many times, also by Rockstar. They want you to experience that danger of being shot, like you could have gotten in that time era. They are not implementing any isolated sessions yet, but might if Defensive mode doesn't work out. I'm on the same boat as you are, dude. Haven't been online much, because of them griefers, but I have to say, Defensive Mode works for me. Once in a while I get shot at, but 99,9% of the players leave me be. In the past 5 days I've had 2 or 3 idiots killing me. One used a coach to ram me off my horse and shot me in the head. It's a one kill and he didn't try more. None of the other idiots did either. All it cost me is a few seconds respawning. I can live with that, if it happens on a very rare basis. I'm no saint myself, shoot me and I shoot back. And once in a while, I do like a shoot out in town, killing griefers. But overall, I avoid towns and only go there to sell skins and carcasses. Heck, if my camp would have a butcher, I'd never go to a town. It's a large enough game world, where 25 people van reside without ever seeing eachother. Its also been said by R* that this game will be as realistic as can be they often quote it in the adverts, So what is realistic about being shot whilst skinning or fishing Whats realistic about ability cards, Whats realistic about a coat costing nearly $200 The only realistic thing is the BS R* spout out netnow66 and Lexiture 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftover Pizza Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Mad-Monkey_1st said: Its also been said by R* that this game will be as realistic as can be they often quote it in the adverts, So what is realistic about being shot whilst skinning or fishing Whats realistic about ability cards, Whats realistic about a coat costing nearly $200 The only realistic thing is the BS R* spout out I get what you mean, but there has to be some unrealistic things in games, like respawning when you die, for example. Also, I haven't tried traveling for days on end without sleep, on horseback and recover by sitting at a campfire for 5 minutes, to go for days and days traveling again. I'm fairly certain I wouldn't get as far as my game character. It is a game, made for the bigger crowd and although I'd love to see many things changed, I also do realise I can't expect them to tailor the game to my likings exactly. So, it is what it is and you either cope with it or not. I think they've made a good step in the right direction here and, for me, it works so far. netnow66 and Chunkey_Monkey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkey_Monkey Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Leftover Pizza said: I get what you mean, but there has to be some unrealistic things in games, like respawning when you die, for example. Also, I haven't tried traveling for days on end without sleep, on horseback and recover by sitting at a campfire for 5 minutes, to go for days and days traveling again. I'm fairly certain I wouldn't get as far as my game character. It is a game, made for the bigger crowd and although I'd love to see many things changed, I also do realise I can't expect them to tailor the game to my likings exactly. So, it is what it is and you either cope with it or not. I think they've made a good step in the right direction here and, for me, it works so far. Yeh i agree certain things cant be avioded do to time issues in a live lobby, Story mode we could set up camp at night then sleep Timing issues stop that and its understandable but ability cards should give of things like 5% more speed for horse or 5% more xp per animal kill etc etc or 10 percent off coats and stuff like that with the percentage rising as you level up the cards to tier 3 There is far far too much emphasis on killing other players, yes it happened in real life people got shot for a dispute or caught up in a bank robbery etc but really a bullet in the back of your head whilst fishing FFS Xtf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netnow66 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Leftover Pizza said: So, it is what it is and you either cope with it or not. I'll be the first to admit, and I always have, that I get griefed less now (when I play in unglitched lobbies) since the update. I also thoroughly agree with the poster above who stated "I don't know how many ways there are of abusing it, but I think it's much better than what we had." But if we were to take the "you either cope with it or not attitude," what do you think would have been changed? My feeling is that we got the changes that we did (including Defensive/Offensive) because gamers complained about what the game was originally. So, if you're happy with the level of griefing we have now and the game as is, that's fine. I understand there will be those. There were always those who accepted the various levels of griefing from the beginning and I'm assuming that some who were upset with the beginning level are happy with the new adjusted level. This post is not really for you. But if you're not satisfied and you want to put an end to your being griefed period or want to get the anti griefing adjusted even more, I'm suggesting that you send those Defensive/Offensive complaints and videos in to Rockstar and report your grief killings as a bug, at least until Rockstar tells you not to. I was surprised as anyone when I was asked to send the video to Rockstar support. I assume you've already made your game purchase--what do you have to lose? I'm also assuming that at some point, Rockstar will either say, based on the number of gamer complaints, "Okay, we've adjusted the griefing level enough" or "Let's give these guys official passive lobbies (so they don't have to glitch unofficial ones). I'm not ready to give in to the bullies/griefers just yet. Foxwolfe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Doe Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I'll try to give my 2 cents, I was expecting a lot from this and I had a good first impression when they announced it. I think that is works quite well, still needing a little tweak in regards to damage inflicted to defensive players (nothing should be able to one-hit kill a defensive player, in fact I think they should greatly reduce damage received so that you can always fight back, even if you are getting hit by explosive ammunitions) I experienced it 2 or 3 times. Works pretty well. The best thing they did in my eyes though, is giving us the option of fighting back without consequences. Now, I find my self staying in offensive, just waiting for those silly players to try and take a cheap shot making them turn red right before I dedicate myself to their annihilation. I personnaly really like the way it works in general and some tweaks would make it Perfect imho. Leftover Pizza, Red Lynx 23, -LN- and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkey_Monkey Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 Although i started this thread, maybe in anger for the killings shafted down onn me, I must admit these last 4 or 5 days have gotten a lot better Sam Doe, Leftover Pizza and -LN- 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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