Abusing defenders/offense

[Chunkey_Monkey]

Don’t know how they are doing this but got one shot killed by a low level whilst I was skinning animal I was in defence mode went after him as he was red when I got near he disappeared altogether for a few seconds then reappeared blue in defend mode he didn’t have time to actuate as this only took around 8 to 10 seconds from bright red to disappearing and returning blue 

[4eyedcoupe]

Haven't tried  shooting somebody durring the timer, but I'd guess he planned it out and started the defense mode 30 second timer before he killed you

[Chunkey_Monkey]

4 minutes ago, 4eyedcoupe said:

Haven't tried  shooting somebody durring the timer, but I'd guess he planned it out and started the defense mode 30 second timer before he killed you

he shouldnt be able to go direct to defensive if he is Bright red 

 

Also "Never without one" doesnt work now if your in defense, Ive been single shot to the head killed several times now This is sh*t defense mode does f*ck all Ive been killed over a dozen time now since this update dropped and im getting pretty pissed off with it 

[tonko]

I don't get this defensive mode that good. All i know i was killed by some guy while in defensive mode.

[Jason]

Never had a problem with defensive mode so far. Are you sure it's enabled? It turns off when you switch lobbies.

[4eyedcoupe]

Was he red before shooting you?  Because what I am saying is that I think they turned defensive mode on first and then lined up the shot on you while the 30 seconds was counting down and ran like a coward waiting on the timer.  If that is indeed the case, I'd agree that shouldn't happen and it needs to be fixed.  Gonna test this later after work actually

[netnow66]

I only played yesterday and didn't get griefed yet. But if you guys are sure you're in Defensive mode (and you need to check) and you're getting killed, contact Rockstar and report it as a glitch, not in feedback. I was playing another game and someone emailed me that some a reporting getting griefed even with Defensive on.

[BadBoy82]

I got one shot killed twice yesterday in free roam with NWO. The funny part is, it was two different players but both used the carbine repeater. Strange.

[Chunkey_Monkey]

30 minutes ago, Jason said:

Never had a problem with defensive mode so far. Are you sure it's enabled? It turns off when you switch lobbies.

You have to set it to defence every time you load into a lobby the default is Offense  so yes I know it’s set to defence and just to confirm it you get a small shield like emblem bottom left of screen 

[netnow66]

52 minutes ago, Mad-Monkey_1st said:

You have to set it to defence every time you load into a lobby the default is Offense  so yes I know it’s set to defence and just to confirm it you get a small shield like emblem bottom left of screen 

Well, that didn't take long...a repeating shotgun in the back as I was sitting on my horse at the post office.

 

Reported it as a glitch to Rockstar at the online site. As far as the player, parlayed, pressed charges, blocked on PSN, reported in game.

 

I didn't know about the Defensive emblem on the bottom left. Thanks for that.

[RaigeGames]

But it's not a glitch that they killed you? Unless I'm wrong, defensive mode doesn't prevent you completely from being shot and killed, it just makes it harder to do so

[netnow66]

6 minutes ago, RaigeGames said:

But it's not a glitch that they killed you? Unless I'm wrong, defensive mode doesn't prevent you completely from being shot and killed, it just makes it harder to do so

Actually, I kind of figured that. I was just surprised at how quickly I went down. Plus, since I reported it as a glitch, I'm curious to see what they have to say. 

 

I hope the solo/passive mode glitches still work...

Edited May 15, 2019 by netnow66

[Chunkey_Monkey]

22 minutes ago, RaigeGames said:

But it's not a glitch that they killed you? Unless I'm wrong, defensive mode doesn't prevent you completely from being shot and killed, it just makes it harder to do so

So why am i getting killed more often now than before the update, At least before the Never without one did its job which it clearly doesnt now, and how the hell does a player who is bright red turn normal blue in ten seconds ? that should take an hour and it was within 10 seconds of me respawning after he had killed me 

20 minutes ago, netnow66 said:

Actually, I kind of figured that. I was just surprised at how quickly I went down. Plus, since I reported it as a glitch, I'm curious to see what they have to say. 

 

I hope the solo/passive mode glitches still work...

 

 

I have stated on other threads ive been single shotted dead at least a dozen times since this update, never before did this happen as NWO always stopped the 1st shot 

[Coxbox]

Defensive mode stops people locking on to you and you take less damage, you can still be killed.  I like it now because it forces the attackers in to free aim, just the way i like to play.

[RaigeGames]

5 minutes ago, Mad-Monkey_1st said:

So why am i getting killed more often now than before the update, At least before the Never without one did its job which it clearly doesnt now, and how the hell does a player who is bright red turn normal blue in ten seconds ? that should take an hour and it was within 10 seconds of me respawning after he had killed me 

I don't have the answers to those questions, all I'm saying is that player didn't use a glitch to kill you. @4eyedcoupe provided a possible answer as to why the player was able to go into defensive mode so quickly. 

 

I'm not a high enough level yet to unlock Never Without One so I can't test that, and I have yet to be griefed while in defensive mode, though I only played for a couple hours last night 

Edited May 15, 2019 by RaigeGames

[Chunkey_Monkey]

15 minutes ago, RaigeGames said:

I don't have the answers to those questions, all I'm saying is that player didn't use a glitch to kill you. @4eyedcoupe provided a possible answer as to why the player was able to go into defensive mode so quickly. 

 

I'm not a high enough level yet to unlock Never Without One so I can't test that, and I have yet to be griefed while in defensive mode, though I only played for a couple hours last night 

The time spans dont match he shot me dead one shot then I had to re spawn 20 secs or so i then chased him down into Blackwater anopther 30 seconds or so following the bright red dot he then vanished right in front of me whilst i was free aiming towards him with my shotgun and incendiary ( he was free aiming shots off at me at this time with rolling block but kept missing) He just vanished but with 10 seconds he re-apeared smack in front of me where he disappeared and he was a blue dot with blue gamer tag above him and i still could not lock onto him, Couldn't lock onto him whilst he was red either but i think thats because i was defensive. Which is a moot point How can we retaliate for them shooting us when we cannot lock on, and dont say get gud that dont wash with me R* gave us the ability to return fire on players who shoot defensives first so we should be allowed to lock on

 

Never without one doesnt seem to work or is bugged badly for defensive players

 

 

Edit I reported him and blocked him as well but could still see him in the lobby for the following hour i stayed online. Should that happen ?? 

Edited May 15, 2019 by Mad-Monkey_1st

[Surebrec]

the new system doesn't stop them from killing you outright, I think it just gives you more time to react. I was in a similar situation, some random came up to me while I was skinning a boar. before the animation to droip the pelt was completed and before I could pull up my weapn wheel, I was already dead.

[ghostsoap01]

Aren't we supposed to take less damage while in defensive mode though? I got shot and put into 'revive me' mode with one bullet from a pistol earlier.

[Chunkey_Monkey]

3 hours ago, Surebrec said:

the new system doesn't stop them from killing you outright, I think it just gives you more time to react. I was in a similar situation, some random came up to me while I was skinning a boar. before the animation to droip the pelt was completed and before I could pull up my weapn wheel, I was already dead.

How does it give you more time to react to a one shot kill, didnt you read any of the above 

17 minutes ago, ghostsoap01 said:

Aren't we supposed to take less damage while in defensive mode though? I got shot and put into 'revive me' mode with one bullet from a pistol earlier.

Thats exactly what i thought but it doesnt appear to be working

[AUScowboy]

Between the stupid cards and peoples strong desire to be assholes, It really is pretty pointless. If they can still kill you in 2 shots, which happened to me multiple times today while in defense mode, then why even bother? Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too R*, every time they try to compromise like this it blows up in their face.

[Chunkey_Monkey]

37 minutes ago, AUScowboy said:

Between the stupid cards and peoples strong desire to be assholes, It really is pretty pointless. If they can still kill you in 2 shots, which happened to me multiple times today while in defense mode, then why even bother? Stop trying to have your cake and eat it too R*, every time they try to compromise like this it blows up in their face.

Read above 1 shot kill and he was level 21 so not carded up either 

Edited May 15, 2019 by Mad-Monkey_1st

[RayD70]

The whole idea of defensive is to announce to anyone near you,  "I'm no threat to you. Not looking for a fight."

 

And the mechanics are intended to keep instances of both a defensive player being attacked, or a defensive player attacking without cause to a minimum.

 

So even if it takes 4 or 5 shots to kill a defensive player, that's still too easy. (Same for a defensive player killing someone else). Defensive players should only take 1/10th damage at most, including head shots. And give the same damage.

 

As it currently seems, having the defensive tag on is really wearing a sign saying, please harass me.

 

Defensive lobbies would have been a better solution.

[DarkFlame588]

You can lasso from defensive mode. Quite hilarious. Also should be taken away. Shouldn't be able to lasso someone when you yourself can't be.

[gtafan1995]

I love defensive mode. It works perfectly for me. This guy started shooting me randomly and after me hitting him once he ran away and killed himself by falling off a cliff.

 

 

[Chunkey_Monkey]

1 hour ago, RayD70 said:

The whole idea of defensive is to announce to anyone near you,  "I'm no threat to you. Not looking for a fight."

 

And the mechanics are intended to keep instances of both a defensive player being attacked, or a defensive player attacking without cause to a minimum.

 

So even if it takes 4 or 5 shots to kill a defensive player, that's still too easy. (Same for a defensive player killing someone else). Defensive players should only take 1/10th damage at most, including head shots. And give the same damage.

 

As it currently seems, having the defensive tag on is really wearing a sign saying, please harass me.

 

Defensive lobbies would have been a better solution.

Thats what i expected NOT 1 shot kills 

[netnow66]

5 hours ago, RayD70 said:

The whole idea of defensive is to announce to anyone near you,  "I'm no threat to you. Not looking for a fight."

 

And the mechanics are intended to keep instances of both a defensive player being attacked, or a defensive player attacking without cause to a minimum.

 

So even if it takes 4 or 5 shots to kill a defensive player, that's still too easy. (Same for a defensive player killing someone else). Defensive players should only take 1/10th damage at most, including head shots. And give the same damage.

 

As it currently seems, having the defensive tag on is really wearing a sign saying, please harass me.

 

Defensive lobbies would have been a better solution.

Yeah, I had hopes for RDO but now that it's out of beta and Rockstar is still allowing griefing, I think I know what I need to about this game.

 

 

[Happy Hunter]

I haven't had anyone even attempt to kill me while in defensive mode.

 

So, I have no idea how much damage you take, unfortunately.

[Chrismads]

I one shot killed someone with a shotgun while I was in defensive mode.

I kept killing him for a while and noticed that he would turn from red to blue sometimes when respawning for no reason.

(He deserved it of course)

[Chunkey_Monkey]

1 hour ago, Chrismads said:

I one shot killed someone with a shotgun while I was in defensive mode.

I kept killing him for a while and noticed that he would turn from red to blue sometimes when respawning for no reason.

(He deserved it of course)

There is defo a bug or two linked with defense mode just hope R* sort it out 

[Chrismads]

Just now, Mad-Monkey_1st said:

There is defo a bug or two linked with defense mode just hope R* sort it out 

I should add, the reason why I killed him, was that he was running around and doing some tackle that instantly killed the victim. He did it on me too twice.

He tackled and I pressed Struggle but immediately died.