Between3and22char Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) I played yesterday some PVP showdowns (using NWO 3), and I got killed with 1 headshot with full health no explosive ammo, my hat didn't fell off. It's like the video shows, only protects you from dying if you are hit directly in the hat, below that, from any side, is 1 shot kill and the hat won't fall off. At least that's my little experience with NWO after update. I don't know if it's a bug or is an intended change, but to me it doesn't seem very useful anymore. EDIT: is a change, this wans't yesterday on the patch notes: " Rebalanced the “Never Without One” Ability Card. It will now only block headshots if the hat itself is shot " https://support.rockstargames.com/articles/360022898254/RDR2-Title-Update-1-09-Notes-PS4-Xbox-One Edited May 16, 2019 by Between3and22char ALifeOfMisery, Jasmyn and Xtf 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookin Laser Sights Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Mad-Monkey_1st said: Got be a bug, Why in hell should a defense mode player be one shot dead whilst wearing "Never without one" Hat dont even fly off , bang once your dead Can I now say, told ya Chunkey_Monkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chunkey_Monkey Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Fookin Laser Sights said: Can I now say, told ya Sure can. Fookin Laser Sights 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBuffalo Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Time to go vote again in the card game...what a stupid change. I am not using defensive. I am just gonna spam slippery. The only real dilemma is whether to actually even keep it or switch it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALifeOfMisery Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Between3and22char said: EDIT: is a change, this wans't yesterday on the patch notes: " Rebalanced the “Never Without One” Ability Card. It will now only block headshots if the hat itself is shot " I'm glad in a way. Only use it because it's literally a lifesaver in freeroam, not because I like the idea of it. Guess that frees up a slot for another card. That being said that's S&S, PC, NWO that have been "rebalanced" and are no longer what I paid for, alongside PIB and SB that are affected by the defensive play style. Time to upgrade some new cards, that'll probably be "rebalanced" and made redundant in future. Edited May 16, 2019 by ALifeOfMisery Xtf and Between3and22char 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Between3and22char Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said: I'm glad in a way. Only use it because it's literally a lifesaver in freeroam, not because I like the idea of it. Guess that frees up a slot for another card. That being said that's S&S, PC, NWO that have been "rebalanced" and are no longer what I paid for, alongside PIB and SB that are affected by the defensive play style. Yeah, I already changed it, got killed from headshots while using it in showdown modes so easily, so I'm gonna try another card and see if now is a better setup. Edited May 16, 2019 by Between3and22char ALifeOfMisery 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookin Laser Sights Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said: I'm glad in a way. Only use it because it's literally a lifesaver in freeroam, not because I like the idea of it. Guess that frees up a slot for another card. That being said that's S&S, PC, NWO that have been "rebalanced" and are no longer what I paid for, alongside PIB and SB that are affected by the defensive play style. Time to upgrade some new cards, that'll probably be "rebalanced" and made redundant in future. That's what I think the idea behind the card was, a life saver for freemode. Saves you once from that surprise attack. Unfortunately it was pretty much overpowered in pvp modes. I don't remember a single time I lost a gunfight whenever I had a hat and the other person didn't (when both of us hit our shots) That combined with the fact that it would respawn (dunno if it was intended or not since you had to use the posse outfits to make it respawn) made it pretty much a must have for most builds. Though imo it's good that they're trying to balance the game instead of it ending up like gta (bulletproof helmets etc) but ngl it's sucks that the cards cost a pretty penny to upgrade... Sam Doe and ALifeOfMisery 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YaDoesntHaveToCallMeRay Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 3 hours ago, Between3and22char said: I played yesterday some PVP showdowns (using NWO 3), and I got killed with 1 headshot with full health no explosive ammo, my hat didn't fell off. It's like the video shows, only protects you from dying if you are hit directly in the hat, below that, from any side, is 1 shot kill and the hat won't fall off. At least that's my little experience with NWO after update. I don't know if it's a bug or is an intended change, but to me it doesn't seem very useful anymore. EDIT: is a change, this wans't yesterday on the patch notes: " Rebalanced the “Never Without One” Ability Card. It will now only block headshots if the hat itself is shot " https://support.rockstargames.com/articles/360022898254/RDR2-Title-Update-1-09-Notes-PS4-Xbox-One If they are going to keep changing the damn cards, just do away with them all! RayD70, Sam Doe and 1898 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinical oppression Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 wow this is horse s#!t . People bought and upgraded the card based on its stated ability to block a head shot ......wow it now protects you from a hat shot that wouldnt kill you without the card anyway . Well pretty much everyone got screwed on this as the card is now useless . Good thing I got 11 more maxed to chose from . ....but still rob star just got 900 bucks off us for nothing . AmyStone, The Blast, Master Tyrus and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasmyn Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 So, this means to get the most protection from NWO now, you'll have to wear a big hat with the sides down like the feathered flipflop. My new woolen hat exposes my face to much for NWO to be effective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismads Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Yeah new best hat is feathered flop hat or Cavalier hat (in pink of course) We all be mighty fancy in showdowns from now on Also don't underestimate the Kennedy hat if the enemy comes from the right or from the front. Great new system R* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookin Laser Sights Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 hours ago, jamsroob said: So, this means to get the most protection from NWO now, you'll have to wear a big hat with the sides down like the feathered flipflop. My new woolen hat exposes my face to much for NWO to be effective... The hats have the same hitbox so size doesn't matter in this case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickahoney Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Wouldn't having a cool down on how quickly you can reequip your hat after it's been shot off been a better solution? Pocket Fox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance_Vance89 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 This buy-to-win bullsh*t is why I just only played rdr online for the second time ever. I shoot some dude 4 times in the head without him getting killed in a deathmatch and he shoot me once and I died. tonko and The Blast 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmicBuffalo Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I do not understand how this can be nerfed. It was never about low levels not having this card. This card used to prevent low level and high levels, for that matter, from one shotting you out in free mode. There was a glitch to keep the hat on by having a persistent posse outfit equipped in a showdown. But it never made any sense that your selected outfit with a hat, then you lost the hat upon death. None whatsoever. And this "glitch" still works. S&S still has headshot protection. Griefers are just going to switch to this card on their horse and equip a damage card which is better to grief with...Defense mode is not a solution to this, if you want to play normal, and then fight these griefers. This actually just encourages griefers to buy tonics and tobacco a bit more, and does not change the griefers attacking in the slightest. Maybe in PVP, you will get a nominal change. But some cards are actually better than having this card equipped depending on play style. Fookin Laser Sights 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Tyrus Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 9 hours ago, clinical oppression said: wow this is horse s#!t . People bought and upgraded the card based on its stated ability to block a head shot ......wow it now protects you from a hat shot that wouldnt kill you without the card anyway . Well pretty much everyone got screwed on this as the card is now useless . Good thing I got 11 more maxed to chose from . ....but still rob star just got 900 bucks off us for nothing . Exactly it's toxic. We were all Guinea pigs for them to test the cards. It's completely useless now, I could of got another foxtrotter for that. The Blast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookin Laser Sights Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Master Tyrus said: Exactly it's toxic. We were all Guinea pigs for them to test the cards. It's completely useless now, I could of got another foxtrotter for that. It's pretty clear when reading the comments that people here aren't used to devs balancing games. Yes we paid 900$ for it but it isn't any different than buying a character in some other game and it getting nerfed after. You don't get refunded after the nerf in those games either. In the long run it's healthy for the game to have balancing going on. The Blast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev. Gnash Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fookin Laser Sights said: It's pretty clear when reading the comments that people here aren't used to devs balancing games. Yes we paid 900$ for it but it isn't any different than buying a character in some other game and it getting nerfed after. You don't get refunded after the nerf in those games either. In the long run it's healthy for the game to have balancing going on. $900 dollars is a tidy sum, in this economy. Players should be refunded. IMHO Master Tyrus and RayD70 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Tyrus Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fookin Laser Sights said: It's pretty clear when reading the comments that people here aren't used to devs balancing games. Yes we paid 900$ for it but it isn't any different than buying a character in some other game and it getting nerfed after. You don't get refunded after the nerf in those games either. In the long run it's healthy for the game to have balancing going on. It's not balancing though. It's completely redundant now whilst PIB is still the meta card. They balanced S&S, they destroyed this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failed Again Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Rebalanced the “Never Without One” Ability Card. It will now only block headshots if the hat itself is shot just to be clear The Blast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookin Laser Sights Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, Master Tyrus said: It's not balancing though. It's completely redundant now whilst PIB is still the meta card. They balanced S&S, they destroyed this. it still gives you a 50/50 chance of surviving a headshot. It definitely hasn't been destoryed. It's just not a must card in pvp anymore which is fine imo. The Blast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Tyrus Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, Fookin Laser Sights said: it still gives you a 50/50 chance of surviving a headshot. It definitely hasn't been destoryed. It's just not a must card in pvp anymore which is fine imo. Yawn. You either get a headshot or you don't so it's 50/50 anyway. They made a $900 item worthless. clinical oppression, RayD70 and The Blast 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookin Laser Sights Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, Master Tyrus said: Yawn. You either get a headshot or you don't so it's 50/50 anyway. They made a $900 item worthless. Yawn, tough luck then. You can complain all you want but they're never going to refund it... The Blast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismads Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Fookin Laser Sights said: The hats have the same hitbox so size doesn't matter in this case How on earth do you know that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookin Laser Sights Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Just now, Chrismads said: How on earth do you know that? Ran some tests with multiple hats of different sizes and shapes Chrismads and Sam Doe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrismads Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Fookin Laser Sights said: Ran some tests with multiple hats of different sizes and shapes Well I'm happy to hear that I won't have to walk around the prairie in a feathered hat Jasmyn and Fookin Laser Sights 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmyStone Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I had my first experience of never without one not working last night. I was shot from a huge distance with non explosive ammo and I was dead instantly. Even after getting killed I still had no idea where they guy was who shot me. 14 hours ago, clinical oppression said: wow this is horse s#!t . People bought and upgraded the card based on its stated ability to block a head shot ......wow it now protects you from a hat shot that wouldnt kill you without the card anyway . Well pretty much everyone got screwed on this as the card is now useless . Good thing I got 11 more maxed to chose from . ....but still rob star just got 900 bucks off us for nothing . I've reported it as a bug. As soon as they reply telling me it's how the card works now I'll see if they will refund my $900 and remove the ability card from my set. That's a lot of money to spend on something that has now become pointless. clinical oppression, Chunkey_Monkey, The Blast and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasmyn Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Chrismads said: Well I'm happy to hear that I won't have to walk around the prairie in a feathered hat Haha Fookin Laser Sights 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonely-Martin Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Stupid trump cards. Get rid completely, full refunds for all! The Blast, Rev. Gnash, *Lola and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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