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DirtyDeeds765

No public poker with friends?

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DirtyDeeds765

I expected to be able to play poker with friends and strangers. You do not seem to be able to do that. It's either always know 5 people who want to play poker and play for low stakes or play poker with only strangers and not even be able to converse with anybody. What is this? Where's the fun and convenience in this? Where's the middle ground so that we can make good money, play with friends, and have the variety and realism of playing with strangers. Am i missing something?

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-LN-

I haven't got to try it yet; is it tournament poker, cash game poker, or do we have both options? Does it all have the same buy-in amount or can it be changed depending on whether or not it's a public or private table?

 

The only reason why I think it may not be possible to join a public table with friends is because of collusion, which unfortunately is a very real problem within other poker games. Others will often team up with one another in party chats and the like and work together against random opponents. It's awful and also unfortunately very common; it was a huge part of the reason why I stopped playing one poker game on PS4 entirely.

 

I do hope they'll at least add more options though! I have been looking forward to playing poker for quite awhile now.

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RayD70

I'll assume another reason friends only games are low stakes, and public games you can't join friends is it's easy to use it as an exploit to give money to someone.

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El Diablo 702

Noticed this a bit ago,  party chat disabled playing with random players even when I was the only person in the chat playing RDRo. Had the ability to host a game though

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coach_wargo

Every time Rockstar comes out with a good idea they find a way to f*ck it up some how.

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El mercenario
Posted (edited)

Godamn, wrong thread, editing.

 

thats a really rare bug tho

Edited by El mercenario

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RaigeGames
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, coach_wargo said:

Every time Rockstar comes out with a good idea they find a way to f*ck it up some how.

I don't think they f*cked it up, they're trying to cover all their bases to keep players from cheating and using poker as an exploit. Sure it sucks you can't talk to each other or play publicly with friends but it keeps people from ganging up on other players or raising the stakes as a way to give money to another player. It sucks but it's a smart move on their part

Edited by RaigeGames

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Jason

As others have said if private poker had big pots or if you could create public tables with friends playing it'd open up all sorts of problems. Friends giving cash to each other, teaming, real world trade, etc.

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El Diablo 702
22 minutes ago, Jason said:

As others have said if private poker had big pots or if you could create public tables with friends playing it'd open up all sorts of problems. Friends giving cash to each other, teaming, real world trade, etc.

For me I don’t care if a player gives another player $$. Just as long as it doesn’t affect me personally. It’s like mowing ur neighbors lawn so his kid gets the allowance. But with the glitches that affect the in game economy I can c why they did it. It’s just a downer not to b able to have a poker night with friends. 

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Pocket Fox

You can host a private session with friends only though. (low stakes)

You just can't have randos in it.

 

It's actually implemented well enough, otherwise it's just sooo open to exploitation.

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coach_wargo
2 hours ago, RaigeGames said:

I don't think they f*cked it up, they're trying to cover all their bases to keep players from cheating and using poker as an exploit. Sure it sucks you can't talk to each other or play publicly with friends but it keeps people from ganging up on other players or raising the stakes as a way to give money to another player. It sucks but it's a smart move on their part

There's no chat at all as far as I can tell. At least no one is responding when I speak.  That's f*cked. Why should we not be able to have a conversation when playing cards?

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Xiled

FInd it funny they care so much about cheating about a simple poker game when so many other bigger exploitable gameplay mechanics exist. lol

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Chrismads
Posted (edited)

I think it's sad that the gameplay have to be neutered to avoid ingame money being transferred. Just like bounties.

Who care if you can give eachother ingame money. It's our EARNED ingame money and we should be able to spend it as we want.

 

Edited by Chrismads

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Ryan5252

Let's not forgot, friends teaming up to wipe out another player was literally a mission in the story game. It'd be pretty silly if they allowed that to happen in online. 

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-LN-

I tried a public match for the first time a couple of hours ago; they don't even show the names of the other players at the table! It's definitely designed this way to prevent cheating and the like. However, the more I think about it, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing on their part either; if you've ever played on PokerStars or other online sites for real money, you may understand where I'm coming from - the collusion there is often very obvious and rampant and like I said earlier, it's just as common, if not more, with fake chips in other poker games, where everything is completely unmonitored and unregulated.

 

It's kind of a doubled-edged sword; I'd love to be able to play higher stakes in RDO with friends and randoms alike and also have more options with setting up individual games or even tournaments, but unfortunately people can and will cheat, especially with having party chats, discord, or whatever at their disposal. That can and often will  completely wreck the entire structure of a poker game and make the whole concept unplayable in a sense. Tbh, I'd rather not have to deal with any of that; what exists here is a very basic and limited form of Hold 'Em poker, but it's certainly better than sitting at a table filled with obvious cheaters.

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Smokewood

One thing I noticed... RDO players are TERRIBLE at poker...  :) It's like pre-black Friday on Poker Stars all over again! Here's a hint - don't go all the way to showdown with bottom pair! lol My wife had to drag me away from the game last night.

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Mas u Sees
3 hours ago, Chrismads said:

I think it's sad that the gameplay have to be neutered to avoid ingame money being transferred. Just like bounties.

Who care if you can give eachother ingame money. It's our EARNED ingame money and we should be able to spend it as we want.

 

Because it opens up a door to numerous Exploits that would take forever to fix.

9 hours ago, El mercenario said:

AO fixed : Check

John's hair and fixed clothes : nope

 

We need 1 THING, and WE ARE DONE.

That isn't a "bug" so it cannot be fixed.

They kept Arthurs Hair and clothing in order to be able to adjust clothing options and hair options at the barber still.

Otherwise they would have to remodel Hair options and clothing, just for John

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RaigeGames

I'd rather play poker with the rules they have implemented than poker not be in the game at all because players used it as an exploit. It's meant to be a fun way to pass the time, lighten up

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Chrismads
1 hour ago, Mas u Sees said:

Because it opens up a door to numerous Exploits that would take forever to fix.

No it doesn't. All money is already earned by someone. Yeah it would mean that money can be transferred between players, but that money is already EARNED by someone.

It shouldn't be considered an exploit to give eachother money.

It does not mean there'll be more ways to cheat your way to money.

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P.T.
7 hours ago, coach_wargo said:

There's no chat at all as far as I can tell. At least no one is responding when I speak.  That's f*cked. Why should we not be able to have a conversation when playing cards?

Yeah i dont really get this at all myself. When you play poker, its pretty slow. So it would be nice to be able to pass the time chatting with those at the table. Im not sure how people would "team up against someone at the table" if everyone at the table can hear the chat. Does not make any sense at all. 

 

Me and my friends did a private one and had a party chat going and it worked fine. Playing in a public table , i should be able to talk to the randoms.

 

 

I am not sure this would work, but you could always try it because i know in some other games this type of thing works. 

Have your friends go to the same poker table in the same town as you. Cordinate the exact time you all press the button to "start a public match" of poker there.You may very well end up being matched at the same table. Not sure but i know this works in other games, might work here too as a way to be able to play with your friends at a public table. 

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Mas u Sees
1 hour ago, Chrismads said:

No it doesn't. All money is already earned by someone. Yeah it would mean that money can be transferred between players, but that money is already EARNED by someone.

It shouldn't be considered an exploit to give eachother money.

It does not mean there'll be more ways to cheat your way to money.

You clearly haven't experienced the early GTA Online days eh?


In GTA Online you used to be able to gift other players money, guess why they removed that feature?
Right, because the community exploited the sh*t out of it.

 

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1898
Posted (edited)

I'm fine with it so far except the player list takes up too much screen space and players are playing too dam slow. 

 

Come on people this isn't the world poker tour, place your bets or tap out.

 

Edited by 1898

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Chrismads
6 minutes ago, Mas u Sees said:

You clearly haven't experienced the early GTA Online days eh?


In GTA Online you used to be able to gift other players money, guess why they removed that feature?
Right, because the community exploited the sh*t out of it.

 

Players did not exploit the sh*t out of gifting eachother cash, players exploited the sh*t out of a bug to earn infinite cash, and then gifted that cash to other players.

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BadBoy82
1 hour ago, Chrismads said:

No it doesn't. All money is already earned by someone. Yeah it would mean that money can be transferred between players, but that money is already EARNED by someone.

It shouldn't be considered an exploit to give eachother money.

It does not mean there'll be more ways to cheat your way to money.

That´s not the point. If you would have an exploit like this, poeple would start trying making RL Money out if it...... Hey give me 5 RL$ and ill give you 1.000 RDR$ over the Poker-System

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Chrismads
Posted (edited)
19 minutes ago, BadBoy82 said:

That´s not the point. If you would have an exploit like this, poeple would start trying making RL Money out if it...... Hey give me 5 RL$ and ill give you 1.000 RDR$ over the Poker-System

With the payout rate in RDO I reckon it would be more like 1,000 RL$ for 5 RDR $,

But ok I could see why some might think that's a problem.

 

I dunno.. it works in other games.

I'm kinda having a deja vu right now. I'm pretty sure I've been told on this subject before (was it by you @Jason?),

but I think transferrable in game currency works just fine in other games.

No Man's sky (units),

Ark (advanced rifle bullets or kibble is regarded as in game currency),

WOW (I'm pretty sure wow is a well functioning game where players can give eachother gold and silver coins? I'm 100% it once was at least)

 

I just think the benefits would exceed the downsides to having transferrable cash, objects, bounties, horses, etc.

You could have other players work for you. Get herbs, craft tonics or make special ammo.

And R* wouldn't have to make the whole RDO experience a dull, neutered every man for himself grind.

Sorry abit OT. That's a whole other discussion.

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Jason
6 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

With the payout rate in RDO I reckon it would be more like 1,000 RL$ for 5 RDR $,

But ok I could see why some might think that's a problem.

 

I dunno.. it works in other games.

I'm kinda having a deja vu right now. I'm pretty sure I've been told on this subject before (was it by you @Jason?),

but I think transferrable in game currency works just fine in other games.

No Man's sky (units),

Ark (advanced rifle bullets or kibble is regarded as in game currency),

WOW (I'm pretty sure wow is a well functioning game where players can give eachother gold and silver coins? I'm 100% it once was at least)

Probably me yea. NMS and Ark are terrible examples (neither are MMO's or online service games, Ark runs on private servers, NMS isn't an MMO (yet lol)), WoW is a great example though... of why poker works like it does. WoW, like most MMO's, is filled with bots or in-game gold/cash farmers who are earning the money with the sole purpose to sell to other players for real world cash. Lets just ignore the fact that this opens up a massive potential for scamming, phising and other shenanigans.

 

The players, or bots, who will be earning this cash to sell won't be doing so by playing the game like the average joe. Exploits will be the go-to, afkers in missions and PvP, things of that sort. Then the money they'll be pumping into the game will reduce the value of in game dollars, increasing the cost of things thus hurting legitimate players. This happens in every single game with real world trade, from MMORPG's to Fifa.

 

The only counter is for developers to allow players to buy cash, which is what GTAO does and it's horrendous and even then there's still an active form of RWT in GTAO on PC. Right now in RDO there's absolutely no way that it could be implemented into the game in a way that is healthy.

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BadBoy82
22 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

With the payout rate in RDO I reckon it would be more like 1,000 RL$ for 5 RDR $,

But ok I could see why some might think that's a problem.

 

I dunno.. it works in other games.

I'm kinda having a deja vu right now. I'm pretty sure I've been told on this subject before (was it by you @Jason?),

but I think transferrable in game currency works just fine in other games.

No Man's sky (units),

Ark (advanced rifle bullets or kibble is regarded as in game currency),

WOW (I'm pretty sure wow is a well functioning game where players can give eachother gold and silver coins? I'm 100% it once was at least)

 

I just think the benefits would exceed the downsides to having transferrable cash, objects, bounties, horses, etc.

You could have other players work for you. Get herbs, craft tonics or make special ammo.

And R* wouldn't have to make the whole RDO experience a dull, neutered every man for himself grind.

Sorry abit OT. That's a whole other discussion.

I feel your pain. Would love to play Poker and chat  too. It´s not that im saying youre wrong, just saying (like @Jason sayed) it will get abused and that big time. I see it like this: Fun with friends = low stake table / I want to make money = high end with randoms

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Chrismads
Posted (edited)
21 minutes ago, Jason said:

Probably me yea. NMS and Ark are terrible examples (neither are MMO's or online service games

Yes definitely you. You said that the last time! Lol

Ark do have public servers? That's what I used to play. Public servers with ppl from all around the world.

 

NMS only difference is that only 4 players can be active in your session at a time. The game seems to automatically join together players who is in the same galaxy. Much like RDO does now right?

 

It might not be the best examples, but it is the only other multiplayer games I play, except not wow, so I do not have anything else to compare to.

 

WoW is still really popular despite of those bots you describe.

 

And the afk'ing seems really easy to prevent. Intelligent afk timers, so that a rubber band around R3 wouldn't count as activity.

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Jason
17 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Yes definitely you. You said that the last time! Lol

Ark do have public servers? That's what I used to play. Public servers with ppl from all around the world.

 

NMS only difference is that only 4 players can be active in your session at a time. The game seems to automatically join together players who is in the same galaxy. Much like RDO does now right?

 

It might not be the best examples, but it is the only other multiplayer games I play, except not wow, so I do not have anything else to compare to.

 

WoW is still really popular despite of those bots you describe.

 

And the afk'ing seems really easy to prevent. Intelligent afk timers, so that a rubber band around R3 wouldn't count as activity.

Ark does have public servers but your progress doesn't transfer between every server. NMS has 4 player co-op and thus technically could have RWT but the type of it game it is, it won't be a prime target. We'll see what happens when the MMO aspect launches with that.

 

If we're talking other online games.. WoW, Guild Wars 2, FFXIV, Rift, Age of Conan, Black Desert Online... The list really goes on and on and on. You literally get PM's from bots in those games asking if you want to buy gold lol. Many of those games are popular despite the bots, yes, but it's because the developers actively combat the the bots. Those games by design will naturally have elements of RWT where as a game like RDO doesn't have to, so why introduce something that might?

 

As for afking if the problem was so easy to fix it'd be fixed lol, it's a problem in tons of games. Even then, if we're talking about the worst cases of bot/gold farmers in games these places are basically sweatshops, people can go around and press a button occasionally.

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Sam Doe
7 minutes ago, Jason said:

Ark does have public servers but your progress doesn't transfer between every server. NMS has 4 player co-op and thus technically could have RWT but the type of it game it is, it won't be a prime target. We'll see what happens when the MMO aspect launches with that.

 

If we're talking other online games.. WoW, Guild Wars 2, FFXIV, Rift, Age of Conan, Black Desert Online... The list really goes on and on and on. You literally get PM's from bots in those games asking if you want to buy gold lol. Many of those games are popular despite the bots, yes, but it's because the developers actively combat the the bots. Those games by design will naturally have elements of RWT where as a game like RDO doesn't have to, so why introduce something that might?

 

As for afking if the problem was so easy to fix it'd be fixed lol, it's a problem in tons of games. Even then, if we're talking about the worst cases of bot/gold farmers in games these places are basically sweatshops, people can go around and press a button occasionally.

Exactly my POV and I would have used the same WoW reference. And I believe it is not even a POV, we are talking facts here. 

 

R* doesnt want their game to become a business opportunity and I can understand and accept that policy as a customer.

 

Ps There is already a section devoted to finding exploits in the objective of selling xp, gold and $ in Rdo on an other well known forum 

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