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Just curious about what the rest of the playerbase thinks of Maria.

Personally, I think that whore was responsible for the death of Sal, a great character that appeared for the first time as a paranoid ruin.

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Evil empire

Maria Latore is lame, boring and uninteresting.

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43 minutes ago, Evil empire said:

Maria Latore is lame, boring and uninteresting.

Explain yourself.

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3 hours ago, Evil empire said:

Maria Latore is lame, boring and uninteresting.

She's far from boring imo, it was cool seeing her develop from a woman who was a little reserved in GTA SA to a spoiled, rotten bitch in LCS and III.

I mean, it's not really 'cool', but it's interesting to see.

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I liked her in GTA III where she came across as witty and cunning bitch.

Her character got ruined in LCS where she became drug addict (Like all other characters GTA III were ruined in LCS)

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I didn't like so much Maria in GTA III, and I didn't find her so interesting as well. But I can't say the same for the GTA: LCS representation of her, it got a little bit more interesting. In a stupid way, perhaps but it has a much better role than in GTA III. Just my opinion. :p

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I think Maria fulfilled the classic cliche of woman that mess things because she is secretly in love with the protagonist and wants to draw his attention making a variety of silly, stupid and jealous actions although she after tries to fix them and finally turns out to be important because the main antagonist, in that case a woman too, notices the feeling of hers towards Claude and tries too use it against him. Hope I have explained it clearly.

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Maria was a good character in GTA 3 but for me GTA LCS destroyed her character just like Donald love

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Nothing but trouble for any man who gets involved with her.

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Maria is probably one of the worst characters in the series imo, despite her character being played off as the ditzy damsel in distress situation there's a whole host of scenarios she knowingly participates in: LCS era Maria is addicted to drugs, cheats on Salvatore, tries to leak mafia secrets, robs stores and eventually overdoses until she's rescued by Toni - she then shows an interest in Toni before realizing he has no money. By the time III era rolls around she seems to have somewhat calmed down but still retains some of her old traits ie the drug usage, showing interest in other men (or women in Asuka's case) culminating in Salvatore attempting to kill Claude. Now we do know she tips Claude off about this however I wouldn't consider that a good thing as shes the one who got him in the situation in the first place. Even after Claude puts up 500k and rescues her in a gun fight all she can talk about is her f*cking hair.

 

f*ck Maria.

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I bet if Salvatore never met her at Caligula's Palace in 1992, things were different.

She's a real troublemaker and I believe Claude killed her at the end of GTA III.

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Likeable, interesting, impressive , hot...

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I'm certain that it was actually CJ who responsible for Sal's demise which led to his death. Maria only made his paranoia worse, but CJ was the one to make him paranoid to begin with. Claude just kind of got caught in the aftermath of it all.

If we look at how Sal is in SA he's much more relaxed and less paranoid, but then after Caligula's casino was robbed by CJ, it made him paranoid.

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TQR -- don't you have a mother?

Maria is cool. But she is cooler in LCS where she robs stores and stuff amd tries to f*ck Toni.

Yeah Maria is a cool chick, but not as cool as Catalina.

Salvatore was an abusive old piece of sh*t who deserved to die.

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On 5/10/2019 at 11:10 AM, Yinepi said:

I'm certain that it was actually CJ who responsible for Sal's demise which led to his death. Maria only made his paranoia worse, but CJ was the one to make him paranoid to begin with. Claude just kind of got caught in the aftermath of it all.

If we look at how Sal is in SA he's much more relaxed and less paranoid, but then after Caligula's casino was robbed by CJ, it made him paranoid.

Claude got caught in the aftermath, and Toni just had to sit there and deal with it.

I mean seriously, I don't even know how the hell I would react if my own boss pulled a gun on me.

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Claude would have been like "screw this sh*t, i don't want to repeat mistakes, rather i must learn from them, live lone" Then he left liberty city with money due to him being biggest enemy of every gang in liberty city.

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Maria is the most controversial female character in whole Grand Theft Auto universe. She is a prime example of how one big mistake of youth can completely pervert, disfigure, screw up and destroy a person (play or watch Liberty City Stories, you will understand what I mean), but she is also an example of no matter how low she has fallen, she always has the opportunity to repent of her deed and correct herself if she wants it herself and will make every effort to do so.

All players: Maria is awful! Maria is a trash! She deserves to die! She is much worse than Catalina! Claude, please, kill her after credits! We love you, Salvatore! You died because of this annoying b**ch!
Me: Maria needs to be criticized, no doubt, but you can also sympathize with her. 
You'll ask me: sympathize to her about what? She's awful and devil.

I'll answer you very simple. And here it is:

Despite her annoying and debauched attitude in LCS and calm and little bit annoying attitude in 3, I sympathise her. It’s too sad that she didn’t have a strong character and fortitude like Catalina to resist insidious manipulative tentacles of Salvatore. And her marriage with Sal because of her young stupidity has taken a real awful effect on her mental state.

”And what do you want to say with that?” - You’ll ask me.

Well, here’s my harsh opinion about this interesting topic.
As I saw the whole appearance in SA, LCS and 3 I’ll say that in general blaming only Maria alone for being the one damn b**ch and justifying Salvatore for being poor and miserable victim is a complete hypocrisy. And I have 3 reasons why this is it.
First reason is that Sal is not averse to going left with the same young girls as she is.
Second reason is that no one forced 57-year-old self-respectful Don of one of the most powerful Mafia Families to seduce a girl that much younger than him. Did she bewitch him? No, she despised him at the first meeting. He seduced her with his insidious manipulative tentacles, which means that Sal is a perfect manipulator.
Third reason is coming from second. What is the main for long romantic relationship and a great marriage? Trust, attention and love. But there was no love between them. Maria didn't love Sal, it's a true. What if I surprise you saying that Salvatore... never loved Maria? Surprised? It is perfectly clear that Sal is a cruel, cynical and heartless criminal, who seduced a young girl, disrespects her and treats her like a toy, like a trophy, like a commodity, like a property, like a trash, not as a wife. “Why the [...] I wanna touch you up? I don't like used goods!" "Christ, why did I marry her?" What the hell are you talking about, you malignant narcissist? She is used goods to you? Why did you seduce and marry a very young lady? For the fun of your selfishness? For the sake of a trophy? For the sake of maintaining your high status? Maria's annoying, awful, selfish, immature, greedy, obnoxious, non-self control, nymphomaniac, a man eater, a gold digger, a drug addict and debauched behaviour in Liberty City Stories is not caused by her bad upbringing in childhood, but because of the cruel, terrible, disrespectful, humiliating and disgusting attitude of her heartless, paranoid, manipulative and narcissistic husband who treated her as a toy, as a commodity, as a trash, and I'm pretty sure he started to cheat on her first. Of course, she was traumatized by all of this violence, she was depressed by all of that, and to relieve her stress and depression she began taking drugs which lead to her bombastic behavior in LCS and that's why she became totally whacked (and her drug pick up mission was very annoying) and she also began to cheat on Salvatore which led to the two constantly arguing with one another. Sal is not only a perfect manipulator, but also a malignant narcissist. He never loved her, he only needed a young toy.
Don't forget that before meeting with Maria in 1992 Salvatore was already married once. And I think for a quite a long time, considering that his first Signora Leone gave a birth of his lovely son Joey in 1968, a perfect mechanic and, possibly, successor of Leone Family, even if he's not so ambitious, as Toni Cipriani (Joey is like Michael Corleone), possibly they married in the middle of 60's and he was married with her for more than 20 years. I think there were trust, attention and love between Sal and his first wife. But, unfortunately, by 1992 Sal was already a widower. It is not known why his first wife died. Did she die from fatal illness? Did she die from the accident? Or did she was killed during mafia wars? We don't know. I believe that despite his cruelty and paranoia deep inside his soul he still loved his first deceased wife and tell good about her (as we see from his conversation with Joey in one of GTA 3 missions), and Maria... Maria was just a temporary consolation for him. Yes, she was just a temporary consolation. A trophy wife and a handy toy that he can get rid of sooner or later. But he miscalculated and she began to take revenge on him by her annoying, awful things which she did in LCS.
In GTA 3 Maria seems to be in a much better state mentally. She appears not to be taken as much drugs as she did in LCS and her constant arguing with Salvatore turned into lighter bickering at one another. 
The fact that there is Maria's fault with Sal's betrayal of Claude - I partially agree. But only partially. Would Sal have betrayed Claude if Maria hadn't lied to him about the affair? The answer is YES. Even without Maria, Salvatore betrayed Claude. You may ask: for what? He promised him everything he want after the ship. This is the main pitfall. Recall that Don Salvatore, in addition to cruelty, cynicism, narcissism and paranoia, has another quality: as I said before he is a perfect manipulator. It's as simple as two and two: Claude is not Italian, rather French-American, not from their family, came from the street, he doesn't need to join anywhere, he's just a mercenary. And knowing how Sal became violent and dangerous paranoid after CJ's betrayal in 1992, when he robbed Caligula’s Casino, he initially did not trust Claude, first of all, as an outsider. That's why he said: ask for what you want, you'll be my mafia member - he manipulated him to make the Leone Family the sole monopolist in Portland, and then, when he completed his task and no longer needed him, he would drain him like a used condom. Personally, my opinion is that Salvatore initially betrayed Claude, and the whole operation "Bomb on the Base" was his cunning plan: the Colombians leave Portland in exchange for Claude's head. He conceived the whole operation "Bomb on the base" only for a truce with the Cartel and the murder of Claude. And it would have been great if it hadn't been for Maria. I think she knew about the impending betrayal, and it was because of him that she foolishly lied to him about the affair, which finally strengthened Sal's paranoia: either he’ll take me out or I‘ll take him out. But Maria warned Claude and saved him from inevitable death by showing that she cared about him. And she had the strength and conscience to admit her stupidity and apologize to him. The fate favored Claude that he met a girl like Maria.
So, that's why accusing Maria alone of being such a damn b**ch and to justifying Salvatore of being a poor and miserable victim is a complete hypocrisy.
And no, I'm not protecting Maria. She's not an angel, she's not exactly the saint. She can be and should be criticized for many stupid things, no doubt. She's the most controversial female in whole GTA universe. But I want more objective, not biased opinion, like she's a culprit of all evils and Sal is just a victim, and you justify him for disrespecting Maria for all 9 years of this awful marriage and treating her like a toy, like a trophy, like a commodity, like a property, like a trash that it's ok. He's the Mafia Don, he's allowed to do anything with everything and everyone. As we say in my home country which flag you can see in my profile - “you don’t understand, it’s different.” Or no freedom, to enemies of freedom. She needs to be criticized, but you can also sympathize with her. She is maybe annoying and idiotic. But she’s not truly villainous character. At least because of cruel, disrespectful, humiliating and disgusting treatment from Salvatore and I can't blame her why she hates him. I think she has all chances to correct herself fully. Of course, if she really wants it and makes every effort to do so. As she was young in SA, ugly and horrible in LCS and cute in GTA 3. Otherwise she wouldn’t be Claude’s deuteragonist.
Maria is a perfect example of how one big mistake of youth (San Andreas) can completely pervert, disfigure, mess up and destroy a person (Liberty City Stories), but also she is an example of no matter how low she has fallen she always has an opportunity to repent of what she has done and correct herself if she wants it and makes every effort to do so (in GTA 3).
In the end, someone still attack me under emotions with phrases like: she still a b**ch and Salvatore is a victim, stop protecting this annoying b**ch. Well, as I said, I don't protect her. And stop justify your favourite old paranoid, manipulative and narcissistic bastard because it's a complete hypocrisy. I can describe all despise for Maria from most of players with a simple saying: 
You see a speck in someone else's eye, but you don't notice a log in your own. Salvatore didn't deserve a young, cute and beautiful girl like Maria. Before blaming Maria look carefully on your favourite paranoid Don and try to understand: is she really culprit of all evils or there's a fault of both of them, and.. even the person you blame isn't that evil compared with the one you're justifying?

Also I have a question to you: where do you put a comma in this ambiguous sentence "execution cannot be pardoned"?  Execution, cannot be pardoned? Or execution cannot be, pardoned?
Think yourself. Decide yourself.
Owned!

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Setting aside her personality, she was a total heartthrob for me as a kid, haha. Initially, I couldn't stand her on the cover art, but in the game, she became my pixelated crush. 😜

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