🏏 TO GRIEF OR NOT TO GRIEF, what exactly is it?

[flybar]

14 hours ago, AirWolf359 said:

Actually, I wouldn't mind if the attacker had something to gain. If they gained like 10% of the value of the shipment they blew up, I totally would not mind. The problem is when they get $2,000 for destroying a $2 million cargo shipment, which is totally unbalanced. If they got $200k for it, I would have a lot more sympathy.

Compare it to the ability to steal vehicle cargo or air freight cargo for yourself. I have had it happen to me multiple times , and I wasn't even mad, I thought it was amazing and well played.

I think that if attackers get 10% of the sale they destroyed there will be no any sales in GTAO anymore. Most of the people would be hanging around waiting for others to start sale, so they could have easy money. 

[BOOGIEMAN219]

21 minutes ago, flybar said:

I think that if attackers get 10% of the sale they destroyed there will be no any sales in GTAO anymore. Most of the people would be hanging around waiting for others to start sale, so they could have easy money. 

 

Your absolutely correct, many people who don't destroy cargo like myself might actually find it worth it. Also it would tell the player how much you lost ($200,000 = 2 million lost). I would prefer the goods be indestructible yet they can be stolen.

[-LN-]

1 hour ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Sure, I've raged at the game and its players before (and it's completely natural to do so as long as you don't hurt either yourself or others, online or irl) but it never has crossed my mind the thought that I could take out my frustation with other players, even less if they're selling cargo. I believe in the golden rule, I don't do to others what I wouldn't like others to do to me and believe me, I've been tempted pretty hard to break that rule, some people are that dense.

This is exactly how I feel as well. I know that many get some sort of pleasure out of destroying someone else's cargo, killing them over and over until they're frustrated enough to leave the session, or just doing whatever they can to cause them some sort of distress, but I personally would feel horrible if I did any of this; especially if I ruined someone's cargo sale or something of that nature. Filling up a warehouse not only costs money, but it can be a rather lengthy endeavour. But it's not even about the time or money; it's just not in my character to do anything like this and it would bring me no satisfaction whatsoever. If anything; it would be the complete opposite of satisfaction.

 

Some people are indeed ignorant or just downright unpleasant in general, but even in the most extreme cases, I find it best to not let them get the best of me and allow myself to sink anywhere near their level. I also don't believe that most people do these things because of the global signal alerts or ridiculously small rewards; they do it because they genuinely like to be antagonistic, ruin someone else's experience, or hope to provoke a reaction to feed their own desires for attention. It's not something that I can truly understand or relate to in any way, but I suppose that's just how some people are wired.

 

However, the game design is flawed; if it weren't, we wouldn't mostly be selling our cargo and the like in solo low MTU lobbies. The design certainly encourages griefing, but I don't feel that it rightfully excuses people's behaviour and the choices they make to engage in such and purposely ruin someone else's experience simply because they want to and can.

 

Either way, I don't think anyone is going to change their minds here. I do know that people can change; we all do in many regards based upon our continued experiences in life. However, yes, this is just a game; it's not "real" life, but the person sitting behind the controller is indeed a real person. I just don't feel that it's right to purposely cause someone distress or willfully hinder their experiences (especially if such is unwarranted) just for a laugh or because some flawed element of the game invites you to do so. Live and let live.

Edited May 22, 2019 by -LN-

[HamwithCheese]

You guys make it sound like the game forces you to destroy sh*t, chasing a ball because its red.

 

Just sounds like ruining someone's delivery gives you satisfaction, knowing that it was a real person prolly makes it better for you too. Again, sounds a little cold but whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Imponte Deluxo MK2]

3 hours ago, KazzMajol said:

   it. is. a. game. 

you. dont. have. to. BE. A. DICK.

So if someone destroy my $750.000 in seconds with a deppressor i have to be happy?

[Lonely-Martin]

22 minutes ago, -LN- said:

This is exactly how I feel as well. I know that many get some sort of pleasure out of destroying someone else's cargo, killing them over and over until they're frustrated enough to leave the session, or just doing whatever they can to cause them some sort of distress, but I personally would feel horrible if I did any of this; especially if I ruined someone's cargo sale or something of that nature. Filling up a warehouse not only costs money, but it can be a rather lengthy endeavour. But it's not even about the time or money; it's just not in my character to do anything like this and it would bring me no satisfaction whatsoever. If anything; it would be the complete opposite of satisfaction.

 

Some people are indeed ignorant or just downright unpleasant in general, but even in the most extreme cases, I find it best to not let them get the best of me and allow myself to sink anywhere near their level. I also don't believe that most people do these things because of the global signal alerts or ridiculously small rewards; they do it because they genuinely like to be antagonistic, ruin someone else's experience, or hope to provoke a reaction to feed their own desires for attention. It's not something that I can truly understand or relate to in any way, but I suppose that's just how some people are wired.

 

However, the game design is flawed; if it weren't, we wouldn't mostly be selling our cargo and the like in solo low MTU lobbies. The design certainly encourages griefing, but I don't feel that it rightfully excuses people's behaviour and the choices they make to engage in such and purposely ruin someone else's experience simply because they want to and can.

 

Either way, I don't think anyone is going to change their minds here. I do know that people can change; we all do in many regards based upon our continued experiences in life. However, yes, this is just a game; it's not "real" life, but the person sitting behind the controller is indeed a real person. I just don't feel that it's right to purposely cause someone distress or willfully hinder their experiences (especially if such is unwarranted) just for a laugh or because some flawed element of the game invites you to do so. Live and let live.

It's not just the near instant destruction of a weeks plod, it's all the filth and hate that tends to come with it that really kills any semblance of gaming. People say not to take it personal but many are deliberate in their attempts to make it so too and things can only go so far before someone reacts one way or another by biting or reporting etc.

 

We've that thread for best/worst messages here that, I feel, helps show just how far/keen some are. Quite disturbing in places that thread.

 

Of course, mute a lobby with party chat or block messages, but to play online multiplayer that isolated is a bit of a drawback too.

[HamwithCheese]

3 minutes ago, Imponte Deluxo said:

you. dont. have. to. BE. A. DICK.

So if someone destroy my $750.000 in seconds with a deppressor i have to be happy?

 

This I kinda don't get, like why say "Oh it's just a game chill lmao" then wouldnt all the fun be taken out of blowing up our sh*t? Like if we all unified and felt exactly the same (which would be oh well, then continue on our merry way), itd be like blowing up an npc, and lord knows they're bored of that,

[-LN-]

3 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

It's not just the near instant destruction of a weeks plod, it's all the filth and hate that tends to come with it that really kills any semblance of gaming. People say not to take it personal but many are deliberate in their attempts to make it so too and things can only go so far before someone reacts one way or another by biting or reporting etc.

 

We've that thread for best/worst messages here that, I feel, helps show just how far/keen some are. Quite disturbing in places that thread.

 

Of course, mute a lobby with party chat or block messages, but to play online multiplayer that isolated is a bit of a drawback too.

Definitely agree; I've received my fair share of angry, disgusting, and disturbing messages as well. I don't listen to voice chat anymore either; not because I take their comments personally, but rather because I find it all to be very depressing, distracting, and it adds absolutely nothing of value to my experience. I do keep messaging options open, but that has actually allowed me to connect with some decent people over time. I can just instantly delete and block the negative ones, but I very much agree. Some definitely take it all to a whole new level with the verbal and text based griefing/harassment; it ceases to become more than just a "game" for them. It's kind of them showing their true colours and the hidden nature of their personalities, ones that perhaps they're too afraid to show within their real lives. Some is probably done just for attention, but I find it best to just ignore; there's no reason to give them attention or find out if that is indeed how they truly are and feel.

[Rumblebud]

30 minutes ago, -LN- said:

Either way, I don't think anyone is going to change their minds here. I do know that people can change; we all do in many regards based upon our continued experiences in life. However, yes, this is just a game; it's not "real" life, but the person sitting behind the controller is indeed a real person. I just don't feel that it's right to purposely cause someone distress or willfully hinder their experiences (especially if such is unwarranted) just for a laugh or because some flawed element of the game invites you to do so. Live and let live.

Agreed.

 

We've gotten sidetracked. I think the majority of us tend to perceive them through their characters, not as real individuals. And i'll be honest here; i've typically thought of the players in edgy clothing, driving ugly and/or overpowered vehicles were just kids with no good taste, style or originality.

 

For all I know, with some of my past negative experiences i've had with some individuals, some of them might just be actually decent and genuinely nice people IRL, where such behavior in-game is different than they typically act outside of that environment. Although I don't doubt some of the unbearably cancerous players we may occasionally run into, can be undoubtedly problematic in both worlds, especially the underage kids that spend too long specifically on this game rather than something else.

 

I wonder if reverse psychology works here...just lower the age requirement and they'll all go back to playing Call Of Duty or something similar. It's odd how so many young individuals are attracted to so many M-rated titles these days; it's unreal!

[Lonely-Martin]

8 minutes ago, -LN- said:

Definitely agree; I've received my fair share of angry, disgusting, and disturbing messages as well. I don't listen to voice chat anymore either; not because I take their comments personally, but rather because I find it all to be very depressing, distracting, and it adds absolutely nothing of value to my experience. I do keep messaging options open, but that has actually allowed me to connect with some decent people over time. I can just instantly delete and block the negative ones, but I very much agree. Some definitely take it all to a whole new level with the verbal and text based griefing/harassment; it ceases to become more than just a "game" for them. It's kind of them showing their true colours and the hidden nature of their personalities, ones that perhaps they're too afraid to show within their real lives. Some is probably done just for attention, but I find it best to just ignore; there's no reason to give them attention or find out if that is indeed how they truly are and feel.

Crazy stuff. It's how it can come from nowhere or nothing that really makes me think someone's having a bad one, lol. I've been in a shop buying clothes and gotten some spice that I figured was for another, I was wrong, daft really.

[HamwithCheese]

2 hours ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

 

Even then, if it's supposed to be a game, it wouldn't be better for everyone to have fun, instead of some having fun at the expense of others?

I feel like this is something we should learn at a younger age tbh, "play nice with your friends Jimmy and maybe you wont be an anus to people behind a screen."

Edited May 22, 2019 by HamwithCheese

[-LN-]

6 minutes ago, CanadianMuscle said:

Agreed.

 

We've gotten sidetracked. I think the majority of us tend to perceive them through their characters, not as real individuals. And i'll be honest here; i've typically thought of the players in edgy clothing, driving ugly and/or overpowered vehicles were just kids with no good taste, style or originality.

 

For all I know, with some of my past negative experiences i've had with some individuals, some of them might just be actually decent and genuinely nice people IRL, where such behavior in-game is different than they typically act outside of that environment. Although I don't doubt some of the unbearably cancerous players we may occasionally run into, can be undoubtedly problematic in both worlds, especially the underage kids that spend too long specifically on this game rather than something else.

 

I wonder if reverse psychology works here...just lower the age requirement and they'll all go back to playing Call Of Duty or something similar. It's odd how so many young individuals are attracted to so many M-rated titles these days; it's unreal!

I've thought the same myself; more so from general in-game behaviour as opposed to their looks or style, but I'm sure that some aren't necessarily aware they're being "obnoxious" or distressing towards others by the way they choose to play the game. On the other hand, back before I started muting voice chat, if I heard someone on the mic throwing around racial or bigoted slurs at others and being verbally antagonistic and behaving as such in-game as well, I can only assume the worst and that they are probably very miserable and unpleasant people within both worlds.

 

Also, yes, I too heard much of the same back then as well; lots of children on the mic, some of whom were likely no older than 10 or 12 being purposely disruptive and often engaging in patterns of very antagonistic behaviour. Quite disturbing, to say the least, I must say.

 

10 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Crazy stuff. It's how it can come from nowhere or nothing that really makes me think someone's having a bad one, lol. I've been in a shop buying clothes and gotten some spice that I figured was for another, I was wrong, daft really.

Haha, yes, I've rarely seen those on my end, but I'm usually in jobs with the people I've received them from. If I happen to find myself in a populated free roam lobby, which is very rare and generally never longer than the time it takes me to load up a job to host, I usually get hit with apartment invites or blank friend requests, lol.

[Lonely-Martin]

15 minutes ago, -LN- said:

I've thought the same myself; more so from general in-game behaviour as opposed to their looks or style, but I'm sure that some aren't necessarily aware they're being "obnoxious" or distressing towards others by the way they choose to play the game. On the other hand, back before I started muting voice chat, if I heard someone on the mic throwing around racial or bigoted slurs at others and being verbally antagonistic and behaving as such in-game as well, I can only assume the worst and that they are probably very miserable and unpleasant people within both worlds.

 

Also, yes, I too heard much of the same back then as well; lots of children on the mic, some of whom were likely no older than 10 or 12 being purposely disruptive and often engaging in patterns of very antagonistic behaviour. Quite disturbing, to say the least, I must say.

 

Haha, yes, I've rarely seen those on my end, but I'm usually in jobs with the people I've received them from. If I happen to find myself in a populated free roam lobby, which is very rare and generally never longer than the time it takes me to load up a job to host, I usually get hit with apartment invites or blank friend requests, lol.

Mostly heists for me. Though to be fair, most of the time folk are pleasant and some are very grateful too. You can really tell when someone was doing their umpteenth Deliver EMP run. Ha-ha.

Edited May 22, 2019 by Lonely-Martin
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[-LN-]

23 minutes ago, MissMurkina said:

To the ppl getting upset about their cargo getting blown up, complaining isn't gonna make it stop. Infact that'll just make you get griefed even more lol

I don't doubt that it won't stop, but thankfully there are ways where we do not have to endure it. I've never lost one of mine. ☺

[KazzMajol]

22 hours ago, CanadianMuscle said:

some of them might just be actually decent and genuinely nice people IRL, 

Actually, virtually all of us.    Just like you.    Since when did the meek inherit Los Santos?

 

23 hours ago, HamwithCheese said:

knowing that it was a real person prolly makes it better for you

Yes.     Yes, it does.   100%     Whether we're working together, or at odds.

 

22 hours ago, HamwithCheese said:

"play nice with your friends Jimmy and maybe you wont be an anus to people behind a screen."

I like this a lot.      Of course, one man's anus is another man's...  uh... yeah, nevermind that...  i was heading towards a plumbing analogy, but it doesn't seem like it's going to come out the way i intended.   (although re-reading the quote, i'm wondering about the 'playing nice with your friend's Jimmy' part)  lol.

 

On that note, i realize that it's difficult if not impossible to properly convey tone in a text-based interaction, and i hope all of you understand i mean no disrespect, and harbor precisely zero ill will.        i also feel zero compulsion to agree that i am required to concern myself with the feelings of the person on the other end of the avatars, if things happen to go sideways.

 

for my part, I am thankful that my real-world problems are such that i have the leisure time, financial means, and mental and emotional capacity to be sitting here pondering the significance of the philosophy of video-gaming in the first place--and if it's okay with everyone else--i'll just continue enjoying my little slice of this beautiful sandbox as i see fit.

 

Truly, i appreciate Jenkii's OP for what it is, and it should probably be required reading for new players, to help them grasp what to do, and what not to do, in terms of UNINTENTIONALLY being a tool of the Shark Card Stormtroopers or just generally a.) being a griefer, or b.) bringing grief upon themselves.      Also i cordially invite any of you on xbox to hit me up and enjoy freemode with me and my cohorts, any time.

 

cheers.

 

 

Edited May 23, 2019 by KazzMajol
jimmy

[FrugalDangerMan]

"They're a font of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held them too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now they're so angry moments of levity actually cause them pain; give them headaches. Happiness, for these players, hurts"

Edited May 22, 2019 by PNutterSammich

[Rumblebud]

Really, though...have they ever experienced a good form of satisfaction?

[Jenkiiii]

For those interested, I have added a mini section called Orbital Cannon to the Borderline Griefing section of the OP.

 

I am not posting my running opinion or giving out many likes in this thread because it's best to remain neutral and let others have their say.

 

 

 

 

[KazzMajol]

On 5/22/2019 at 11:48 AM, PNutterSammich said:

"They're a font of misplaced rage. Name your cliché; Mother held them too much or not enough, last picked at kickball, late night sneaky uncle, whatever. Now they're so angry moments of levity actually cause them pain; give them headaches. Happiness, for these players, hurts"

well, if you mean me, i guess i *did* have a sneaky late night uncle, but all he ever did was toss a dead and bloody bullfrog on my face in the middle of the night one time, when i was a teenager, and laugh his ass off.      that no doubt explains where i get some of it, i suppose.    otherwise?    nah....  sorry.

 

 

Edited May 25, 2019 by KazzMajol
yessir

[FrugalDangerMan]

21 hours ago, KazzMajol said:

well, if you mean me, i guess i *did* have a sneaky late night uncle, but all he ever did was toss a dead and bloody bullfrog on my face in the middle of the night one time, when i was a teenager, and laugh his ass off.      that no doubt explains where i get some of it, i suppose.    otherwise?    nah....  sorry.

 

 

It's a stolen movie quote. Catch up on your Nic Cage flicks dude.

[KazzMajol]

if i had to guess, i'd say Nicolas Cage has a Black Bowler & Gas Mask, invisible arms and legs, and pink work boots;  he probably specializes in the wiggle sniper dance and throwing sticky bombs at his own feet, sports a K/D in the 7.50 range, and spends all his time griefing Gunrunning sales missions and special cargo crates.

[MARINA]

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Edited May 29, 2019 by MARINA

[Yellow Dog with Cone]

4 hours ago, KazzMajol said:

if i had to guess, i'd say Nicolas Cage has a Black Bowler & Gas Mask, invisible arms and legs, and pink work boots;  he probably specializes in the wiggle sniper dance and throwing sticky bombs at his own feet, sports a K/D in the 7.50 range, and spends all his time griefing Gunrunning sales missions and special cargo crates.

Mmm Nick Cage strikes me more like a player who grinds I/E, Airfreight Cargo and Prison Break.

 

He steals I/E and Airfreight Cargo of other players from time to time tho, all fair btw.

Edited May 29, 2019 by Voodoo-Hendrix

[Rumblebud]

29 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

Mmm Nick Cage strikes me more like a player who grinds I/E, Airfreight Cargo and Prison Break.

Oh, he definitely does Import/Export.

 

50 cars in 72 hours...

 

Edited May 29, 2019 by CanadianMuscle

[BOOGIEMAN219]

In bad sport there is no griefing, if I blow up your sale it's ok because your most likely traveling with $8,000 in goods trying to bait players your not trying to make money. Now if your in your own lobby in bad sport I will let you be I like full lobbies anyways. In a regular lobby I consider blowing up sales griefing but there are acceptions.

[Guest Billy Russo]

I never grief. I just don't see the point in being a total dickhead just because you can, but some people enjoy that sort of thing. I realize it's just a Video Game, but to me destroying someone's cargo or repeatedly trying to kill them for no reason just seems so petty & childish, and quite frankly boring.

 

I only fight people if they want a fight, and I'm not ruining their experience. If we're just having a good ol' gunfight, then sure, but nothing annoys me more when I'm just trying to deliver Cargo on a small server and some asshole just hunts everyone down to ruin the game for everyone. Just because he can.

 

I just wish more people helped each other out and had fun sometimes. It's like you can't trust anybody in games where there is an option to kill. I've had some really good experiences with people that don't grief and just mess around, killing each other gets boring after a while.

[Agent 14]

On 5/21/2019 at 10:12 PM, Imponte Deluxo said:

you. dont. have. to. BE. A. DICK.

So if someone destroy my $750.000 in seconds with a deppressor i have to be happy?

Their whole mentality on this is, you will learn to eat sh*t and like it.

 

Yeah is a game but even then people should back off at certain times. And stop wasting other players time and money.

 

What really grind my gears is when they say oh the game told me to do it I did nothing wrong therefore you're the problem not me har har har.

 

Like wtf they don't even consider how much of a dick they sound and how much of a cunt blowing someone cargo sales MC sales nightclub sales or whatever it is that you're selling made them look.

 

 

 

 

[Smokewood]

Is this a joke thread?

There is no such thing as griefing in GTAO

It's a free for all open world PvP zone.

* I do not support cheating in any way.

[Rotorhead359]

8 minutes ago, Smokewood said:

Is this a joke thread?

There is no such thing as griefing in GTAO

It's a free for all open world PvP zone.

* I do not support cheating in any way.

Riddle me this: if there is no such thing as griefing in GTAO, why did Rockstar add the option to report players for griefing?

[Smokewood]

3 minutes ago, AirWolf359 said:

Riddle me this: if there is no such thing as griefing in GTAO, why did Rockstar add the option to report players for griefing?

To make you feel better.

Go ahead and report someone for destroying your cargo... nothing will come from it.

Edited June 8, 2019 by Smokewood