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Jenkiiii

🏏 TO GRIEF OR NOT TO GRIEF, what exactly is it?

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Rafae S
2 minutes ago, The Notorious said:

No. It doesn’t work that way. I’m saying people take the game way too seriously to actually dislike somebody because of the way they play a VIDEO GAME. Idgaf if someone does or doesn’t like me, or how they feel about me shooting them in a freemode shooter. I don’t know any of them, and I don’t need to. The way they play a game doesn’t affect me or my success in real life whatsoever. I play the game carefree and don’t hold personal grudges against people for the way they play a game. That’s pathetic, and video games aren’t that serious. 

 

Ok but maybe they just want to relax after a hard day's work or wind down and hunt/fish in peace? You're really surprised that they feel some type of way over you attacking them unprovoked? We don't even have lobby options atm so the least you griefers could do is not attack us while we're minding our business. Save that for stranger missions or free roam events where the actual objective is to disrupt others.

 

The fact that you even feel a way about others feeling a way says it all. If you're really gonna attack others like that, at least own up to it and not be surprised when you get called out for it. Sure, some people take it too far and I don't condone that but I'm mostly referring to those who react angrily on a modest level.

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The Notorious
Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, Rafae S said:

 

Ok but maybe they just want to relax after a hard day's work or wind down and hunt/fish in peace? You're really surprised that they feel some type of way over you attacking them unprovoked? We don't even have lobby options atm so the least you griefers could do is not attack us while we're minding our business. Save that for stranger missions or free roam events where the actual objective is to disrupt others.

 

The fact that you even feel a way about others feeling a way says it all. If you're really gonna attack others like that, at least own up to it and not be surprised when you get called out for it. Sure, some people take it too far and I don't condone that but I'm mostly referring to those who react angrily on a modest level.

You’re not “calling me out” for anything, because you’re not understanding. Hunt/fish? Isn’t this a GTA thread? Confused by you turning it into a Red Dead thing. I even mentioned the game being old and dying, and there are 30 other clues that tell you it’s about GTA. I, myself, get griefed in RDRO because I hardly play. “You griefers” lol like I said, I help low levels who are being griefed and when I want to start something (because I paid $60 and the game enables me to do so) I give the person a choice to either shoot back and 1v1, or if they don’t shoot back and they’re acting passive, I let them go. Idk what’s hard to understand about that. I feel as though that isn’t griefing, but starting fair fights just because I feel like it, and letting people off the hook if they don’t wanna fight. You can keep trying to turn it back on me all you want, but I’ll say it again in simpler terms for you, I don’t care how other people feel about me in a video game because there’s more to life. Much more. I do, however, believe that someone hating another person over a video game is ridiculous. That doesn’t mean I care about how they feel about me, or that my feelings are hurt. I’m not bothered by it because games aren’t that serious. I simply have an opinion about it, and that is that video games shouldn’t be taken so seriously to the point you hate a whole ass person just because of the way they play a game. 

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Urban Legends

Okayy who is ready for some incoherent babble? Naaa

 

I wish though... I wish I could describe the sinking feeling in my heart when Im delivering Nightclub goods and I received thus messege.. 

 

Bad sport - youve been charged $10,000 dollars for defending your half a million dollars worth of valuables!

 

Next time your being attack by a Mark 2 Oppressor just smile and take it. How dare you actually use the proximity mines you purchased! We will punish you for trying to earn any money in freemode! RAHH STAH 😂 I killed a flying rat with a land mine.. Like wtf anyway.. 

 

I read this topic earlier right.. Went and did a Headhunter challenge and was up against 5 to 7 different individuals. I had 3 low level associates who all quit and I passed the mission with like 1 or 2 seconds left. Only grief I had was they were banging rockets off the walls around me and Id spawn further and further away! Very weak play.. I never do that to people. 

 

2019 - guarding targets from others doing head hunter is unacceptable. If launched.. the CEO in charge should be allowed to complete this mission as quickly as possible as not to hinder the entire lobby. 

 

Acceptable grief for headhunter - Protecting the targets with NO use of explosives. Banging rockets off walls tells me your a child under the age of 18 and shant be playing the game in the first place..

 

I love your topic and thanks for posting. I want to hear accptable ways of grief because Im kinda old school and dont appreciate much of what Ive gone through having just started 5 months ago :)

 

 

 

 

 

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The Notorious
Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Urban Legends said:

Okayy who is ready for some incoherent babble? Naaa

 

I wish though... I wish I could describe the sinking feeling in my heart when Im delivering Nightclub goods and I received thus messege.. 

 

Bad sport - youve been charged $10,000 dollars for defending your half a million dollars worth of valuables!

 

Next time your being attack by a Mark 2 Oppressor just smile and take it. How dare you actually use the proximity mines you purchased! We will punish you for trying to earn any money in freemode! RAHH STAH 😂 I killed a flying rat with a land mine.. Like wtf anyway.. 

 

I read this topic earlier right.. Went and did a Headhunter challenge and was up against 5 to 7 different individuals. I had 3 low level associates who all quit and I passed the mission with like 1 or 2 seconds left. Only grief I had was they were banging rockets off the walls around me and Id spawn further and further away! Very weak play.. I never do that to people. 

 

2019 - guarding targets from others doing head hunter is unacceptable. If launched.. the CEO in charge should be allowed to complete this mission as quickly as possible as not to hinder the entire lobby. 

 

Acceptable grief for headhunter - Protecting the targets with NO use of explosives. Banging rockets off walls tells me your a child under the age of 18 and shant be playing the game in the first place..

 

I love your topic and thanks for posting. I want to hear accptable ways of grief because Im kinda old school and dont appreciate much of what Ive gone through having just started 5 months ago :)

 

 

 

 

 

For real though, the fact that you get punished for blowing up players in weaponized vehicles who aren’t in an active job/activity is REALLY stupid. I don’t think destroying weaponized vehicles should be punished, at all. Obviously they’re up to something if they’re on a Mk2 or a Halftrack and they’re not involved in a job. Why R* punishes you for it? I’ll NEVER understand. Shark Cards *cough cough*

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Rashkovskys Shiv
43 minutes ago, The Notorious said:

For real though, the fact that you get punished for blowing up players in weaponized vehicles who aren’t in an active job/activity is REALLY stupid. I don’t think destroying weaponized vehicles should be punished, at all. Obviously they’re up to something if they’re on a Mk2 or a Halftrack and they’re not involved in a job. Why R* punishes you for it? I’ll NEVER understand. Shark Cards *cough cough*

I don't think it's because of shark cards though, after all 10k doesn't really add to much if you're a well off player, and also they give you bad sport points for blowing up vehicles too. 

It's just poor game balancing by the devs. 

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The Notorious
Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, Rashkovskys Shiv said:

I don't think it's because of shark cards though, after all 10k doesn't really add to much if you're a well off player, and also they give you bad sport points for blowing up vehicles too. 

It's just poor game balancing by the devs. 

That simple 10k adds up over time regardless of your bank account. Some people are pretty rich, but not everyone is well off, and those are the people who tend to buy Shark Cards. I know you get bad sport for blowing up any vehicle, but I’m saying I think weaponized vehicles should be an exception.

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CanadianMuscle
20 minutes ago, The Notorious said:

No. It doesn’t work that way. I’m saying people take the game way too seriously to actually dislike somebody because of the way they play a VIDEO GAME. Idgaf if someone does or doesn’t like me, or how they feel about me shooting them in a freemode shooter. I don’t know any of them, and I don’t need to. The way other players play a video game doesn’t affect me or my success (sounds corny, but for lack of a better word) in real life whatsoever. I play the game carefree and don’t hold personal grudges against people for the way they play a game. That’s pathetic, and video games aren’t that serious. Do you understand or am I wording it wrong?

It depends on your perspective, I guess. Sometimes I really feel that games in general can bring out the worst in certain individuals that take things way too seriously.

 

It's kinda hard not to fall into a pissy mood when you have a particular player yelling racist comments and spamming the chat, destroying and killing, bombing the lobby to all hell when you and the rest are just trying to have a decent time in the game. Sure, you can mute them, report them, vote to kick, or leave the session. Dirty or not, they bought the game to play how they like, but it's just depressing when you have to deal with problematic people just being all-around cunts either for no particular reason or they have "something" that drives them to be this way, with no real respect for the rest of the playerbase.

 

What happened when games were a good kind of competitive gameplay? Properly balanced, good taste, oriented to fans where companies actually gave a f*ck about providing something that players would enjoy without stirring up unnecessary conflict. That's how the early and mid-2000's games were to me, and I enjoyed every minute of it, and made some of the best memories through it.

 

Looking at the gaming industry now? Many, many popular games, particularly online games, have been revamped into... let's say, hostile or toxic environments? Money grabs? Designed purely to be addicting? While maybe the quality of some games were improved, not so much online interaction with players, and in this case, it's entirely both R* and Take-Two's mess.

 

It's their game, I won't b*tch about it being imbalanced and often toxic much, although the sad reality of it is that quite a few players are out of their element when they decide to abuse the mechanics and make things personal over a video game.

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Standard Deluxe 59

I don't think repeatedly killing players in Adversary modes, non spawn trap deathmatches, or free roam events that bait others into attacking you is griefing. 

       I also don't think using other free roam events like Fully Loaded to repeatedly tear up No Skill Required Mobile MKII riders that attacked you first is griefing. I see that as simply treating them the way they treated you: killed you with a maneuverable tiny pile of crap while you were cruising down the road. 

         Now killing some player repeatedly who hadn't done nothing to you is another story, as is using free roam events to go on killing sprees without worrying about insurance fees. But the latter in itself is a unique case as a player who just targets whatever locks on, kills it once then moves on to another target isn't repeatedly killing one target. The player is spreading the kills a little rather than focusing on the easy targets and in that he may encounter another player looking for a free roam war. I don't think blowing up cargo is griefing either, a jerk move but little else. However continuously killing the CEO or MC president whose stuff you just blew up could be griefing if he isn't putting up much of a fight or trying to get away. 

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Big Molio

Dare I even comment in this thread?

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Bald Keewee
Posted (edited)
54 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

Dare I even comment in this thread?

8GydLixfyCjYo12PJtGJjBBNbglGldpu8Cv3dySlOn a side note: I got called a griefer yesterday for killing a guy running executive search 🤣 What did he expect??

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Cackling Jack

Well I used to be a griefer/Try Hard but things change and you have to take a step back.Take stock if you will. It depends if youkr going around destroying peoples suuplies or during a sell mission their sh*t gets destroyed thats whe. I draw the line. If the lobby is "Hot" which I use the term a killing session with try hards then sure the rule book gets thrown out the window. I hope this makes sense. Enjoying reading peoples reponses.

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Clancy the Bandito

i only "grief" (quotations are because i'm not the GREATEST at pvp" if someone destroys cargo, destroys my cargo, or if they're acting like an ass clown in general. also, during BB's, because that's a free for all thing. 

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Amy Vinewood

I won't mess with someones resupply, sales or things like that but I do think VIP jobs like executive search and piracy is open to be countered in freeroam.

It is a lot more fun to go after the types on the MKII's going after anyone and everyone, because those actually want to fight.

Someone minding their business don't really want to fight so why bother?

 

 

I think Rockstar defines greifing as being killed 3 times without fighting back, at least by the Ghosted feature

 

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Clancy the Bandito
9 minutes ago, Amy Vinewood said:

It is a lot more fun to go after the types on the MKII's going after anyone and everyone, because those actually want to fight.

That too

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CanadianMuscle

They should really be pushing Bad Sport when it comes to this, maybe to separate the killers from the casuals.

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flexcreator
Posted (edited)
16 hours ago, Jenkiiii said:

5. I/E CarsGoing after these is technically OK too because you can steal the cars and return them to your own warehouse. The problem tends to be blowing the cars up by mistake.

From my experience, people always blow the car on purpose, never by mistake. Even if you exit the car and offer a random player to steal a car, he WILL blow it up.

Try it yourself

 

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The only way to realistically steal the car is to shoot the driver while on foot, which is pretty tough

Camping outside the I/E warehouse is pretty easy. Also, some players know the locations well, so they can predict if the player is doing the I/E mission. They can shoot the driver the moment he enters the car.

 

One day I was sourcing the car with the Cargobob, then I got spooked by the Oppressor missles, had to drop the vehicle. The Oppressor guy lands and steals my car 🤣 That was pretty clever

 

3 hours ago, Amy Vinewood said:

I think Rockstar defines greifing as being killed 3 times without fighting back, at least by the Ghosted feature

The ghosted feature can be bypassed instantly, R* failed even at this

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The Notorious
4 hours ago, Big Molio said:

Dare I even comment in this thread?

I’m not even gonna point out the irony here 😂

5 hours ago, CanadianMuscle said:

It depends on your perspective, I guess. Sometimes I really feel that games in general can bring out the worst in certain individuals that take things way too seriously.

 

It's kinda hard not to fall into a pissy mood when you have a particular player yelling racist comments and spamming the chat, destroying and killing, bombing the lobby to all hell when you and the rest are just trying to have a decent time in the game. Sure, you can mute them, report them, vote to kick, or leave the session. Dirty or not, they bought the game to play how they like, but it's just depressing when you have to deal with problematic people just being all-around cunts either for no particular reason or they have "something" that drives them to be this way, with no real respect for the rest of the playerbase.

 

What happened when games were a good kind of competitive gameplay? Properly balanced, good taste, oriented to fans where companies actually gave a f*ck about providing something that players would enjoy without stirring up unnecessary conflict. That's how the early and mid-2000's games were to me, and I enjoyed every minute of it, and made some of the best memories through it.

 

Looking at the gaming industry now? Many, many popular games, particularly online games, have been revamped into... let's say, hostile or toxic environments? Money grabs? Designed purely to be addicting? While maybe the quality of some games were improved, not so much online interaction with players, and in this case, it's entirely both R* and Take-Two's mess.

 

It's their game, I won't b*tch about it being imbalanced and often toxic much, although the sad reality of it is that quite a few players are out of their element when they decide to abuse the mechanics and make things personal over a video game.

Well yeah, feeling some type of way about someone because they’re being racist and ignorant on the mic is understandable. Guess I never thought of that, nor did it get brought up until now, but you’re right about that for sure lol. Just gotta verbally slaughter them and get in their head, they’ll shut up 😂

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flybar
6 hours ago, CanadianMuscle said:

 

Looking at the gaming industry now? Many, many popular games, particularly online games, have been revamped into... let's say, hostile or toxic environments? Money grabs? Designed purely to be addicting? While maybe the quality of some games were improved, not so much online interaction with players, and in this case, it's entirely both R* and Take-Two's mess.

 

I think online games are just reflection of society in general. Like that fella who said that he paid 60 bucks for the game and it's gave him full right not to care about other players.  

Back to griefing - I would add that killing a bounty shouldn't be considered as griefing. Although some players take it personally : )

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Jackimo1999

Can I just add something? I know you touched on this but destroying vehicle cargo is NEVER ok. Stealing it's fine. Deliver it yourself. More power to you. When you're destroying it however, you're taking away profit from me, which I may or may not have invested in, and you get nothing. Also, the power levels I feel are quite important when talking about griefing. If you take me out while you're on foot and I'm in an unarmed car, that's ok. If you're in a Hydra or an Oppressor, and you see I/E cargo, you know I'm in a weaker vehicle. Killing me then doesn't just make you a griefer, it makes you a coward.

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ilovefreebird
18 hours ago, No Homing said:

Is it ok to grief myself?

We grief ourselves every time we turn this damn game on...

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cunningstunt
3 minutes ago, ilovefreebird said:

We grief ourselves every time we turn this damn game on...

this guy knows

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Jenkiiii
Posted (edited)
18 hours ago, -LN- said:

There are a few other types of griefing (perhaps labelled more as 'trolling') like purposely ramming into others during a race, driving backwards around the track to create havoc and spoil the race for others, and blocking segments of the track to prevent others from finishing.

 

In addition to racing, griefing can extend to team based jobs; like purposely killing, hindering, and/or harassing your own teammates or purposely failing a job or mission for the sole intent of wasting everyone's time and effort. These examples are no doubt forms of griefing that are clearly unacceptable in all regards.

Awesome, this is the sort of response that is needed. I will add these comments to the OP under the section Borderline Griefing, as I'm not 100% sure how to categorise them yet. Somewhere down the line, someone will come across this topic and find it useful. There have been other useful tips and suggestions, thanks for those, but the rest of the posts are mostly about personal feelings.

 

3 hours ago, flexcreator said:

Camping outside the I/E warehouse is pretty easy. Also, some players know the locations well, so they can predict if the player is doing the I/E mission. They can shoot the driver the moment he enters the car.

I will add this to the section on I/E and credit you for it. Thanks.

 

1 hour ago, flybar said:

Back to griefing - I would add that killing a bounty shouldn't be considered as griefing. Although some players take it personally : )

This is a another good suggestion that can be included in the OP. Thanks.

 

 

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AirWolf359
Posted (edited)
18 hours ago, IamCourtney said:

Where does simple vengeance rank in terms of how rewarding it is in this equation?

 

For example, the other day I was flying my blimp from Sandy Shores down to the city for no particular reason, just fooling around, when I'm suddenly shot down by an explosive sniper over the Vinewood sign. I noted the guy's name but he'd hopped on his broomstick and was miles away by the time I got reoriented. Over the next half hour I did a few lil housekeeping errands around the game while the lobby slowly emptied until there just 5 or 6 of us left. I dunno if he just forgot what he'd done or assumed I wasn't the vengeful kind since I didn't chase him right away, but this guy had started an MC sale by himself from the Alamo Sea coke lab while I was buying some clothes. Not long after leaving the store, an Akula with me inside appeared above the PostOp vans left sitting outside the lab, and bombs began to fall...

 

I'll be the first to admit it wasn't exactly a proportional response, but was it Griefing on my part?

No, it was his fault for leaving his Post-Op vans unattended in a session where he had previously attacked innocent players. I would have done the same. Any time someone kills me or I kill someone, I consider the lobby unsafe to sell until he leaves. By the way, I still consider this griefing, I just think this guy had it coming to him.

 

7 hours ago, Bald Keewee said:

On a side note: I got called a griefer yesterday for killing a guy running executive search 🤣 What did he expect??

He expected to walk around in circles for 10 minutes undisturbed and get easy money?

I think it is perfectly ok to attack people who do VIP work, especially Fortified, Executive Search and Piracy Prevention. I'm not going to sit there watching a banner for 10 minutes.

 

As for attacking people who do headhunter, sightseer, hostile takeover, MC contracts, Terrorbyte jobs, nightclub promotions, that is fair game. There is a reward for succesfully attacking them and if they just want to get it done in peace, there is a thing called Invite-Only sessions.

 

Going after people's business supplies, that is griefing. There is no real reward for destroying them.

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Imponte Deluxo
7 hours ago, Amy Vinewood said:

 

 

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WAIT , what is that? everyone can call me a idiot , but this is for real?

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YELLOW DOG WITH CONE
14 minutes ago, Imponte Deluxo said:

WAIT , what is that? everyone can call me a idiot , but this is for real?

To be fair, that loading screen was from back in the day when R* used to give a sh*t about griefing.

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Imponte Deluxo
12 minutes ago, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

To be fair, that loading screen was from back in the day when R* used to give a sh*t about griefing.

so how old is this? like 4/5 years?

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ilovefreebird
12 minutes ago, Imponte Deluxo said:

so how old is this? like 4/5 years?

I've never seen the loading screen, but the "ghosted" feature is still available.

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Imponte Deluxo
13 minutes ago, ilovefreebird said:

I've never seen the loading screen, but the "ghosted" feature is still available.

I have 4 years playing gta online (2 in old gen and 2 in new gen) and i never see this one lol

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Big Molio
1 hour ago, Jackimo1999 said:

Can I just add something? I know you touched on this but destroying vehicle cargo is NEVER ok. Stealing it's fine. Deliver it yourself. More power to you. When you're destroying it however, you're taking away profit from me, which I may or may not have invested in, and you get nothing.

You get nothing either way.

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Imponte Deluxo
14 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

You get nothing either way.

so 100,000 is nothing for you?

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