🏏 TO GRIEF OR NOT TO GRIEF, what exactly is it?

[Talisman_83]

I feel like griefing a certain someone in the next DLC thread right now

 

[Rumblebud]

Just now, Taterman said:

I do contract missions too.

DM or Adversarial would be better money for them than 2k for griefing.

Half the time, they have already too much cash on them to care about payouts...unfortunately. Part of the reason they do all this sh*t in freemode is pure boredom.

 

It all goes full circle with Shark Cards.

[Agent 14]

21 minutes ago, Talisman_83 said:

I feel like griefing a certain someone in the next DLC thread right now

 

If is the guy I think it is.. do what I did put him on ignore.

 

He's been on all day trolling and baiting haven't even bathe yet I bet.

 

This is what happens when summers arrives and kids have no where else to go.

Edited June 18, 2019 by Agent 14

[Lonely-Martin]

3 minutes ago, Agent 14 said:

If is the guy I think it is.. do what I did put him on ignore.

 

He's been on all day trolling and baiting haven't even bathe yet I bet.

 

This is what happens when summers arrives and kids have no where else to go.

Na, I'm sure the mods are keeping an eye on that. Bloody entertaining TBH and though it's clear he's young and don't understand too much, his excitement is positive too. A bit of light banter don't hurt. Although I have only read parts through dipping in here too so I hope its not gotten silly of course, bro.

 

At least I hope. The way the text is written us just like when I sneak a listen in on my lad, a different world to me, ha ha. Bless him.

 

For anyone interested in a bit of a car crash though, read back about 10-20 pages of the DLC spec thread, lol. #R*targetdemo

[KazzMajol]

2 hours ago, Taterman said:

Why don't griefers just play Adversarial or Deathmatches?

 

Most of the adversary modes are completely lame.    Deathmatches are fun, but the two or three players in them--usually--not so much, and of course they don't pay sh*t.   Sitting in the invite lobbies is to be avoided whenever possible, no?   If i happen to do some griefing, it's while i'm in the middle of raking in hundreds of thousands of GTA$ riding the wave with my bros, and if you fall victim to it, you were probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

Why is it that it's (mostly, and of course only some of) the anti-griefers that are so judgemental and sanctimonious on here?

Edited June 19, 2019 by KazzMajol
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[Jenkiiii]

16 minutes ago, KazzMajol said:

Why is it that it's mostly the anti-griefers that are so judgemental and sanctimonious on here?

On the other hand, why are pro-griefers so blasé and so indifferent to the feelings of others?

 

I think it's got something to do with personality, as some people are more outgoing while others are more reserved. Not only that, but nobody really likes to back down, but tend to emphasise their opinion in extremis, so you are probably witnessing the most extreme side of their personalities.

 

The best thing to do is try and understand the situation from the other person's perspective. All of you. Try not to be that rampant griefer that we all despise, all the time, and try not be that super-defensive player who can only exist in private lobbies.

[Skullpanda3968]

On a side note, I absolutely love it when griefers go into passive mode as soon as they meet someone that refuses to deal w/their antics.  It's all fine and dandy to go into passive when they're getting griefed but god forbid someone minding their own business, not retaliating or trying to stir the pot, goes into passive to avoid being killed, they're all of a sudden "passive abusers or p*ssies".   

[mav]

On 6/14/2019 at 12:59 PM, HamwithCheese said:

It did? That's weird, it never told me to annoy people. Huh, I must be playing the game wrong then.

Must be...

 

 

On 6/14/2019 at 1:20 PM, Voodoo-Hendrix said:

"It's all good as long as I have fun, f*ck everyone else's fun"

I never get mad or annoyed when I get killed and even laugh when I get killed in a funny, creative way.  Even msg the other player, "Good kill." It's just a game.

 

On 6/14/2019 at 1:41 PM, HamwithCheese said:

I always feel a little harsh when thinking about these types of players, but then they open their mouths and prove to me that their simple minded savages that attack anything that's red. 

Just a game, hardly an indication or indictment on how anyone is really.

 

On 6/14/2019 at 1:54 PM, D9fred95 said:

"Why are you arresting me officer? My friend made a bet I couldn't drive on the opposite side of I-95 for three hours straight. He told me to do this!"

OK, but it's just a game with zero real life consequences.  No one is getting arrested IRL for being a troll in GTA.

 

On 6/14/2019 at 2:37 PM, MissMurkina said:

I have unlimited money so all I do is grief, but recently i've been in private sessions with friends.

 

Griefing is even funner with a group though lol

 

I only really go after tryhards and high levels nowadays, but 8/10 I blow up cargo, because the messages I get in return are funny lol

I've had people threaten to 'ban' me, 'boot me offline' lol good luck with that, 'take my account', you can't steal accounts on PS4 lol unless you're dumb enough to give your login info.

 

I agree with the bolded though, I do it for fun, and making people scream at the game *it's even funnier if you have a mic and taunt them* is hilarious as hell to me.

There's no point in doing missions, because I don't need the money, and 7/10 people are gonna shoot first if you don't.

 

You can tell the ones who got griefed just by reading some of the responses in here

Glad someone gets it!

[HamwithCheese]

1 hour ago, mav said:

Must be

I was being sarcastic. That right there is a suggestion, not an order. The game doesn't punish you or force you to destroy cargo, but these people claim that the game "tells them to". That I why I responded in a sarcastic manner, because when I see that prompt, I do not act on it. So when I said "we must be playing a different game" I was joking about how I've never seen a prompt forcing me to destroy cargo, when we're both seeing the same prompt. Thats where the sarcasm comes in.

[Big Molio]

3 hours ago, HamwithCheese said:

The game doesn't punish you or force you to destroy cargo, but these people claim that the game "tells them to"

If that is how players interpret those notifications, then it is as valid a reason as any, because they wouldn’t be wrong.

 

It has become customary with the “anti griefer” contingent to sneer at and show contempt towards players who cite this as their reason for attacking cargo in an attempt to shame and deter them morally for what is in fact legal play. This is a general observation, not necessarily a direct riposte to the post quoted.

 

It kind of reminds me of how some in society will use the same tactic to try and shame people who admit to using legal methods of tax avoidance. They try the moral guilt route because they know that the methods are within the law.

 

 

Edited June 19, 2019 by Big Molio

[Taterman]

6 hours ago, KazzMajol said:

 

Most of the adversary modes are completely lame.    Deathmatches are fun, but the two or three players in them--usually--not so much, and of course they don't pay sh*t.   Sitting in the invite lobbies is to be avoided whenever possible, no?   If i happen to do some griefing, it's while i'm in the middle of raking in hundreds of thousands of GTA$ riding the wave with my bros, and if you fall victim to it, you were probably just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

Why is it that it's (mostly, and of course only some of) the anti-griefers that are so judgemental and sanctimonious on here?

 

Sanctimonious?

My question wasn't directed at you. A griefer here said he bought shark cards. Wouldn't it be smarter to play clean and make in-game money to buy what you want rather than spending your own real $?

You say adversarial and DM pay sh*t, but it pays a lot more than you get blowing up someone's bunker sale or NC popularity mission.

[HamwithCheese]

1 hour ago, Big Molio said:

If that is how players interpret those notifications, then it is as valid a reason as any, because they wouldn’t be wrong.

That literally is not a reason at all. Its merely an invitation. You are thinking on the surface when things go much deeper than that. Lemme give you an example.

 

Be me, doing nothing.

I get an invitation for a race.

I think to myself "yeah that sounds good, I like cars. I like racing. I like this track. I think I would win, sounds good I will accept the invite."

But your line of thinking never goes beyond "BLOW UP CARGO OK ILL DO THAT" and you refuse to do so. An invite, is not a reason and it never will be.

 

Its honestly amazing how we talk in circles, nothing is being said. Lemme simplify what I'm saying.

 

"Hey, there's cargo that's being transported, you can destroy it."

 

Ok, cool."

 

"So, why are you doing that again?"

 

"Because you told me to."

Edited June 19, 2019 by HamwithCheese

[Big Molio]

29 minutes ago, HamwithCheese said:

That literally is not a reason at all. Its merely an invitation. You are thinking on the surface when things go much deeper than that. Lemme give you an example.

 

Be me, doing nothing.

I get an invitation for a race.

I think to myself "yeah that sounds good, I like cars. I like racing. I like this track. I think I would win, sounds good I will accept the invite."

But your line of thinking never goes beyond "BLOW UP CARGO OK ILL DO THAT" and you refuse to do so. An invite, is not a reason and it never will be.

 

Its honestly amazing how we talk in circles, nothing is being said. Lemme simplify what I'm saying.

 

"Hey, there's cargo that's being transported, you can destroy it."

 

Ok, cool."

 

"So, why are you doing that again?"

 

"Because you told me to."

It is a valid reason, you just don't want to accept that it is. In the same way that a player can elect to kill a bounty, defend a Torched mission, steal a Hostile Takeover briefcase, if a player wants to give that in-game invitation notification as his reasoning for the way he plays, he is entitled to do so and he wouldn't be wrong.

 

He doesn't have to justify himself any further, despite the cries to the contrary.

Edited June 19, 2019 by Big Molio

[HamwithCheese]

1 minute ago, Big Molio said:

It is a valid reason, you just don't want to accept that it is. If a player wants to give that in-game invitation notification as his reasoning for the way he plays, he is entitled to do so and he wouldn't be wrong. He doesn't have to justify himself any further, despite the cries to the contrary.

So it isn't really the reason, they either dont know why they did or feel like they shouldn't elaborate why they do it. Cool, so not a valid reason.

[Big Molio]

Just now, HamwithCheese said:

So it isn't really the reason, they either dont know why they did or feel like they shouldn't elaborate why they do it. Cool, so not a valid reason.

There is only you insisting that the player even needs a reason, I am arguing that they don't.

 

If you don't believe that it is valid, that's your lookout. <shrugs>

[HamwithCheese]

4 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

There is only you insisting that the player even needs a reason, I am arguing that they don't.

 

If you don't believe that it is valid, that's your lookout. <shrugs>

You believe people will do something, let alone something that negatively affects someone, for literally no reason? Nothing? At all? Bullsh*t. Plenty of people here have explained why they chose not to grief or destroy cargo, yet not one griefer has explained why they love to drink the salty tears. What's there to hide? I don't get it.

[Big Molio]

Just now, HamwithCheese said:

You believe people will do something, let alone something that negatively affects someone, for literally no reason? Nothing? At all? Bullsh*t. Plenty of people here have explained why they chose not to grief or destroy cargo, yet not one griefer has explained why they love to drink the salty tears. What's there to hide? I don't get it.

f*cking hell, this is like pulling teeth...

 

I didn't say that they do it for no reason, I am suggesting that players don't have to justify destroying cargo with any further reasoning beyond the game's invitation notifications, simply because those notifications signify valid play. It is detractors like yourself tying yourselves up in knots trying to tease out all kinds of ways of them justifying themselves to you. They don't even have to in my opinion.

[HamwithCheese]

7 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

f*cking hell, this is like pulling teeth...

 

I didn't say that they do it for no reason, I am suggesting that players don't have to justify destroying cargo with any further reasoning beyond the game's invitation notifications, simply because those notifications signify valid play. It is detractors like yourself tying yourselves up in knots trying to tease out all kinds of ways of them justifying themselves to you. They don't even have to in my opinion.

You are right, this is like pulling teeth. All I get around here is "because the game told me to" when really I'm looking for insecurities in these people's personalities, because I cant think of any other reason why anyone gets their rocks off of purposely griefing anyone.

[Big Molio]

57 minutes ago, HamwithCheese said:

You are right, this is like pulling teeth. All I get around here is "because the game told me to" when really I'm looking for insecurities in these people's personalities, because I cant think of any other reason why anyone gets their rocks off of purposely griefing anyone.

And this your problem, you can't accept that perfectly well-adjusted people will play the game as they feel the game ought to be played, based on what the developer presents to them as a legitimate play method. Instead, in order to make you feel better and less of a victim, you and your ilk try to convince yourselves that this is down to some personality defect in the players.

 

All the usual insults are thrown at them: sad, lonely, pathetic, cowards, sociopaths, virgins, bedroom dwellers lol. I've seen them all, and more.

 

All this is because you cannot accept the game for what it is, and because you think it should be something else, and that the people playing this way are somehow wrong. They aren't, you are.

 

 

[Galavan]

People are just mad that people destroy their goods they spent so long working on in a matter of seconds LOL!

 

I can taste the salt from here. 

[HamwithCheese]

15 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

you and your ilk try to convince yourselves that this is down to some personality defect in the players.

Well sh*t if it were anything else I would've heard it by now, but again, mental gymnastics. "Why do you like destroying cargo" "because the game told me too, it's totally fair play, it's totally none of your business, you should just play story mode, because I like to, because I like drinking your tears" so on and so forth. Again, if the deep reasoning as to why these people like to purposely bother people isn't slightly embarrassing, they would've told me by now. Does anyone even wanna try to prove me wrong? Or are we just gonna ewo out of this convo?

 

And for the record, I've never accused anyone of being unstable or unhinged. I'm accusing them of acting this way because they have literally nothing to lose.

11 minutes ago, Galavan said:

People are just mad that people destroy their goods they spent so long working on in a matter of seconds LOL!

 

I can taste the salt from here. 

So, is this relevant to the thread or are you just here for no reason?

Edited June 19, 2019 by HamwithCheese

[Galavan]

 

6 minutes ago, HamwithCheese said:

So, is this relevant to the thread or are you just here for no reason?

Its a thread about griefing, of course its relevant?

 

 

P.s I don't always randomly just decide to blow other people's cargo up, but if im bored and just not doing anything in free roam, I just get a kick out of destroying someone else's cargo. It's just funny you can destroy hours/days of somebody's hard work in the space of about 10 seconds.

Edited June 19, 2019 by Galavan

[HamwithCheese]

3 minutes ago, Galavan said:

Its a thread about griefing, of course its relevant?

Ah yes because saying "lol youre so salty" totally contributes to the thread.

[Big Molio]

9 minutes ago, HamwithCheese said:

Well sh*t if it were anything else I would've heard it by now, but again, mental gymnastics. "Why do you like destroying cargo" "because the game told me too, it's totally fair play, it's totally none of your business, you should just play story mode, because I like to, because I like drinking your tears" so on and so forth. Again, if the deep reasoning as to why these people like to purposely bother people isn't slightly embarrassing, they would've told me by now. Does anyone even wanna try to prove me wrong? Or are we just gonna ewo out of this convo?

Again, this is a fault on your part, because you are trying to get to an answer that doesn't need to be given. If you cannot accept any of that reasoning above, and think that it is a cover for something else, that is your prerogative. To my mind, there are no answers to find. The game's structure allows it, endorses it, rewards it, so players will do it. They would likely do it anyway, such is human nature, but the fact that the game legitimises it pretty much nullifies any attempt to get to any kind of deeper reasoning, because there is none required.

[HamwithCheese]

5 minutes ago, Big Molio said:

Again, this is a fault on your part, because you are trying to get to an answer that doesn't need to be given. If you cannot accept any of that reasoning above, and think that it is a cover for something else, that is your prerogative. To my mind, there are no answers to find. The game's structure allows it, endorses it, rewards it, so players will do it. They would likely do it anyway, such is human nature, but the fact that the game legitimises it pretty much nullifies any attempt to get to any kind of deeper reasoning, because there is none required.

That's really shallow thinking tbh. Can't even empathise with griefers. Its like saying "well humans are assholes" and that's it. Alright, ewo it is then.

[Galavan]

Just now, HamwithCheese said:

That's really shallow thinking tbh. Can't even empathise with griefers. Its like saying "well humans are assholes" and that's it. Alright, ewo it is then.

Are you on PS4? Would love to play with you sometime buddy... 

[HamwithCheese]

Just now, Galavan said:

Are you on PS4? Would love to play with you sometime buddy... 

I am. Is this some sort of way to demoralize me by beating me in PvP combat between you, an experienced pvper, and me, a guy that hasn't played in a deathmatch in about 3 years. Boy oh boy will that get us somewhere.

[Galavan]

4 minutes ago, HamwithCheese said:

I am. Is this some sort of way to demoralize me by beating me in PvP combat between you, an experienced pvper, and me, a guy that hasn't played in a deathmatch in about 3 years. Boy oh boy will that get us somewhere.

What? No? This was just to see you in lobby doing cargo sales so I can come grief, but I was only joking anyway. 

 

and fyi, I don't engage in pvp unless I have to, it bores me after a few minutes 

[HamwithCheese]

3 minutes ago, Galavan said:

What? No? This was just to see you in lobby doing cargo sales so I can come grief, but I was only joking anyway. 

 

and fyi, I don't engage in pvp unless I have to, it bores me after a few minutes 

Well alright, my Psn is Ham_n_Cheese, stop by and say hello. I don't run any businesses so I don't know what you expect to see.

[Big Molio]

16 minutes ago, HamwithCheese said:

That's really shallow thinking tbh. Can't even empathise with griefers. Its like saying "well humans are assholes" and that's it. Alright, ewo it is then.

It's ewo to you because the simplest answer, which is the stark truth, is one that you just cannot accept. You are looking for something else, anything, to validate your perceived status as a victim against some sort of persecution in a video game, and becoming frustrated because the answer you want isn't forthcoming.