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watersgta3

CJ or Sweet? Whose side would you be on?

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watersgta3

So this debate seems to be going on for so long. So I want to know who do you think is more in the right? CJ for refusing to regress the hood life and continue on to his life as a multimillionaire, or Sweet for "staying loyal" to the hood and never wanting to move out for the rest of his life to prove he isn't a sell-out? Whose side do you take?

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Son of Zeus

CJ of course. He understood that the hood life was sh*tty and they needed to make a better life outside. Sweet was an idiot who was obsessed with the hood and failed to see the negative aspects. Just because you were born there doesn't mean you have to die there.

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TheSantader25

CJ. Because the hood is just a tiny surface on earth. There are loads of opportunities around the world for success and Sweet seemed to think everything in the world just revolves around Grove Street. 

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SpaceRaven

CJ.

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Jeansowaty

Honestly, neither. I would expand the GSF all over San Andreas thanks to CJ's assets and make it a real crime syndicate.

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Seth
Posted (edited)
9 hours ago, Jeansowaty said:

Honestly, neither. I would expand the GSF all over San Andreas thanks to CJ's assets and make it a real crime syndicate.

So all you do is get crack drugs and bullsh*t then die afterwards after overdosing it lol(no offense)

 

I prefer CJ, there life outside he found rather than Sweet.

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Jeansowaty
12 hours ago, Seth said:

So all you do is get crack drugs and bullsh*t then die afterwards after overdosing it lol(no offense)

 

I prefer CJ, there life outside he found rather than Sweet.

Did you forget that the GSF is anti-narcotic? :P They could expand into other ventures and make money out of this, such as arms trade, protection rackets, armed robbery etc.

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muvdafucupouttahere

I'd definitely be on CJ's side. This game is supposed to be a 'rags to riches' stories, and for Sweet to desire to go back to the hood pretty much shows he's just asking to go back to prison or get killed. There's a difference between not forgetting where you came from and wasting your life thinking about  the same sh*t. I honestly will be surprised if someone took Sweet's side over CJ's.

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Rafae S

Help those out in need first and then live a millionaire's life. So, a bit of both probably.

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Evil empire

A mix of both, I would keep my companies to enjoy my unearned income and keep fighting for the gang with reliable persons on my side.

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LCLegend
On 4/22/2019 at 3:02 PM, Rafae S said:

Help those out in need first and then live a millionaire's life. So, a bit of both probably.

I agree. I can see where Sweet was coming from since he thought CJ was beginning to grow a bit of an ego, and that he should go back to his roots, but with all the newfound success CJ has found I think I can lean a little more to CJ's side now.

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Lioshenka

Of course CJ. You are supposed to advance yourself. You can be loyal to your mates without being an unemployed loser junkie.

 

Just look at triads. Sweet is just lazy and stubborn, probably used to living off benefits for his deceased mother and unemployment, and doesn't want anybody else to succeed to maintain his position as a leader.

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Veigar

CJ. 

 

You own a modding garage, have a stake in a very large casino, and also have a mansion... yeah I'll take countless riches and glory living over stupid hood rat stuff since CJ was exactly right when he said his life turned for the better as soon as he dropped that sh*t. 

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CountdownIIExtinction

CJ and Sweet are both right.

 

But Id rather take CJs side.

 

Yes, Sweet was right about not forgetting where you come from and who you are. But there comes a time to move on. The hood and homies is what kept CJ from realizing his full potentital. Plus, like Tenpenny said street loyalty doesn't mean sh*t. Like when they ran him out just because he let Brian die.

 

Nipsey Hussle got killed coming back to his hood. He should have been kicking back in Beverly Hills or something. But who am I to jiudge - he made his choices.

 

To conclude.  I belive both Cj snd Sweet were right. CJ for hoping for better life, hell living a better life and Sweet for not forgetting where you come from.

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Official General
Posted (edited)

CJ.

 

All that doing it for the hood stuff Sweet was harping on about was bullsh*t. Gangs at the end of the day exist for a common goal and purpose - to make lots of money illegally, and to gain power and influence. None of these things are gonna be achieved by simply being loyal and dedicated to the hood by staying within it's confines, you're gonna have to make a lot of money to begin with, this means expansion and diversifying, and the best way for that is quick huge cash profit via the hard drugs trade. Since Sweet was against dealing in hard drugs, he would have kept the GSF behind and less powerful than their rivals. CJ would have done what would make the gang stronger, even if it mean dealing hard drugs. 

 

CJ indeed.

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thalilmythos
7 hours ago, Official General said:

CJ.

 

All that doing it for the hood stuff Sweet was harping on about was bullsh*t. Gangs at the end of the day exist for a common goal and purpose - to make lots of money illegally, and to gain power and influence. None of these things are gonnabe achieved by simply being loyal and dedicated to the hood by staying within it's confines, you're gonna have to make a lot of money to begin with, this means expansion and diversifying, and the best way for that is quick huge cash profit via the hard drugs trade. Since Sweet was against dealing in hard drugs, he would have kept the GSF behind and less powerful than their rivals. CJ would have done what would make the gang stronger, even if it mean dealing hard drugs. 

 

CJ indeed.

I believe CJ wouldn't, actuallycj didn't, you end up king of the city in the game with the strongest gang, without never selling drugs, or dealing with that, it's not part of his character.

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Big_Smiley
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On 5/11/2019 at 4:28 PM, CountdownIIExtinction said:

Nipsey Hussle got killed coming back to his hood. He should have been kicking back in Beverly Hills or something. But who am I to jiudge - he made his choices.

Nip wanted change and leave all that rivalry nonsense. That should have stayed in the 90's and it never did. No other artist had much love for their community. Nobody else not even the older dudes who were in deep in the rap game at their peek way before Nip came around. He saw hope in changes. He loved his people and his area of Crenshaw just like I loved my area of Boyle Heights no matter how much rivals surrounded my projects area where me and my older bro grew up in the 80's. Nipsey could have possibly changed the central coummunity to a different thing. And he did accomplished part of it by uniting two crip sets who had a massive hatred for each other for over 40 years. Not even couting the one they had back in the 92 riots. I feel hope that this truce will last forever in honor of him.

 

Nipseys problem was that he was a snitch claimed by one of his own who he onced rolled with back in the days. Street rules as much as stupid as they sound still applies these days. And unfortunately Nip was one of them. They never did give full details on what it was but there was no other intent by the dude himself but that reason. As someone like Nip who had much love for his area, he was never too worried about this ever happening to him.

 

 

OT: CJ's side is an obvious one for me. There's no unclear explanation here. If CJ could he probably would have moved out himself and accomplish better things in is lifetime. In my days I knew way to many people like Sweet. The only things they saw was dying for your hood. Nothing else. I loved my neighborhood and had pride in it but there came a time when life flashed before my eyes after the countless of close encounters in the jungle. Enough was enough when the people you grew up with are gone within a second right before you start running or waking up the next day and being told the same news vice versa. You then realize you won't bee enjoying a beer and a good oldie with them no more. All you could you do is reminisce and look back on the times you sang those together as loud as you could while being drunk out of your mind. Then you realize again someone else from your hood continued the same cycle and layed out the rivals days later out in the streets in retaliation. Then there goes the LAPD chopper with it's search light on throughout the projects and every homeboy within the area starts trippin out because C.R.A.S.H untis are everywhere asking questions. Shoot first then ask questions later right?? I wonder who mentioned that during the beginning of SA's events :dozing: Sweets mentality just never did do it for me. Be in that state for the rest of your life. Mabye Sweet just had an extra pair of eyes in the back of his head. And even though being stupid young in those ventures was the thing we both had, the consequences always did come back in rough packages later on. Sh*t you see your GSF homie killed in front of your eyes near the streets of idlewood what does that matter? He'll just respawn on the next block, lol. In a way I almost wished it was the same for reality in those times....

 

Edited by Big_Smiley

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Official General
16 hours ago, thalilmythos said:

I believe CJ wouldn't, actuallycj didn't, you end up king of the city in the game with the strongest gang, without never selling drugs, or dealing with that, it's not part of his character.

* Pay close attention to the game. The GSF members still buy drugs off the drug dealers in the streets. 

* CJ only appeared to be following Sweet's edict against dealing hard drugs. If the money was right (and always is), he'd do it.

* In GTA V, the Families sell drugs. Clearly, they learned something from CJ there.

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thalilmythos
Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Official General said:

* Pay close attention to the game. The GSF members still buy drugs off the drug dealers in the streets. 

* CJ only appeared to be following Sweet's edict against dealing hard drugs. If the money was right (and always is), he'd do it.

* In GTA V, the Families sell drugs. Clearly, they learned something from CJ there.

* GSF Members smoke weed and drink, they are not buying crack
* Cj stops Sweet from actually doing drugs in "beat down on b-dup" so he IS antidrugs, even if it means dying or killing for it.
* CJ Doesn't exist in the HD era, and if he did, probably was killed about this same argument, like it normally happens in criminal organizations.

Cj was anti drugs, there's no argument here.

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CountdownIIExtinction
18 hours ago, Big_Smiley said:

Nip wanted change and leave all that rivalry nonsense. That should have stayed in the 90's and it never did. No other artist had much love for their community. Nobody else not even the older dudes who were in deep in the rap game at their peek way before Nip came around. He saw hope in changes. He loved his people and his area of Crenshaw just like I loved my area of Boyle Heights no matter how much rivals surrounded my projects area where me and my older bro grew up in the 80's. Nipsey could have possibly changed the central coummunity to a different thing. And he did accomplished part of it by uniting two crip sets who had a massive hatred for each other for over 40 years. Not even couting the one they had back in the 92 riots. I feel hope that this truce will last forever in honor of him.

 

Nipseys problem was that he was a snitch claimed by one of his own who he onced rolled with back in the days. Street rules as much as stupid as they sound still applies these days. And unfortunately Nip was one of them. They never did give full details on what it was but there was no other intent by the dude himself but that reason. As someone like Nip who had much love for his area, he was never too worried about this ever happening to him.

 

 

OT: CJ's side is an obvious one for me. There's no unclear explanation here. If CJ could he probably would have moved out himself and accomplish better things in is lifetime. In my days I knew way to many people like Sweet. The only things they saw was dying for your hood. Nothing else. I loved my neighborhood and had pride in it but there came a time when life flashed before my eyes after the countless of close encounters in the jungle. Enough was enough when the people you grew up with are gone within a second right before you start running or waking up the next day and being told the same news vice versa. You then realize you won't bee enjoying a beer and a good oldie with them no more. All you could you do is reminisce and look back on the times you sang those together as loud as you could while being drunk out of your mind. Then you realize again someone else from your hood continued the same cycle and layed out the rivals days later out in the streets in retaliation. Then there goes the LAPD chopper with it's search light on throughout the projects and every homeboy within the area starts trippin out because C.R.A.S.H untis are everywhere asking questions. Shoot first then ask questions later right?? I wonder who mentioned that during the beginning of SA's events :dozing: Sweets mentality just never did do it for me. Be in that state for the rest of your life. Mabye Sweet just had an extra pair of eyes in the back of his head. And even though being stupid young in those ventures was the thing we both had, the consequences always did come back in rough packages later on. Sh*t you see your GSF homie killed in front of your eyes near the streets of idlewood what does that matter? He'll just respawn on the next block, lol. In a way I almost wished it was the same for reality in those times....

 

Maybe I shouldn't have bring Nipsey Hussle into this.

But you say he had love for his people? Did he have love for sh*tty Cuz he told to f*ck off, who ultimately felt offended and shot  him?

 

Whatever the case, I believe once you made it you have no business going back to slum. Way too much hate. At the same time it is a struggle to maintain your integrity and question is then do you have to be poor to be real? Ideally there should be a balance somewhere.

 

Luckily SA is just a game. Like you said, homies respawn next block and you can always start a new game. Wish life was this easy.

 

 

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CountdownIIExtinction

But if Sweet didn't get locked up, maybe hes perspectives would have been different. By the time he gets released, he is still stuck in the same point mentally where Green Sabre mission left off, while it is same year, playing as CJ, doing all this sh*t, you feel like an eternity has passed and Sweet is still in the same mindstate he was before Green Sabre.

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Deep Verma

i never understood what was the point of Sweet requiring some sort of Gang. CJ was rich, every gang aims at becoming rich, but Sweet, his motive to this date is still a mystery. He may be had lust for being worshiped by people, that's why he always thought about expanding Groove street gang and being the leader or lust of ordering and commanding people.

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OG Freddy LOC
On 4/21/2019 at 6:28 PM, Jeansowaty said:

Honestly, neither. I would expand the GSF all over San Andreas thanks to CJ's assets and make it a real crime syndicate.

 

I agree boys like you don’t appreciate no family ties with the dealers ,

assets are one big set for aspiring OG’s the truth is I don’t like the world ruled 

by gangbangers CJ/Sweet are both losers to me.

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Funktipus
On 5/13/2019 at 1:22 AM, Big_Smiley said:

OT: CJ's side is an obvious one for me. There's no unclear explanation here. If CJ could he probably would have moved out himself and accomplish better things in is lifetime. In my days I knew way to many people like Sweet. The only things they saw was dying for your hood. Nothing else. I loved my neighborhood and had pride in it but there came a time when life flashed before my eyes after the countless of close encounters in the jungle. Enough was enough when the people you grew up with are gone within a second right before you start running or waking up the next day and being told the same news vice versa. You then realize you won't bee enjoying a beer and a good oldie with them no more. All you could you do is reminisce and look back on the times you sang those together as loud as you could while being drunk out of your mind. Then you realize again someone else from your hood continued the same cycle and layed out the rivals days later out in the streets in retaliation. Then there goes the LAPD chopper with it's search light on throughout the projects and every homeboy within the area starts trippin out because C.R.A.S.H untis are everywhere asking questions. Shoot first then ask questions later right?? I wonder who mentioned that during the beginning of SA's events :dozing: Sweets mentality just never did do it for me. Be in that state for the rest of your life. Mabye Sweet just had an extra pair of eyes in the back of his head. And even though being stupid young in those ventures was the thing we both had, the consequences always did come back in rough packages later on. Sh*t you see your GSF homie killed in front of your eyes near the streets of idlewood what does that matter? He'll just respawn on the next block, lol. In a way I almost wished it was the same for reality in those times....

 

Excellent post, Big. I grew up in the South Bronx, and everything you said is RIGHT ON.

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gtafaninwest

Definitely CJ. It's about about bettering yourself and never looking back.

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Cjrememberthat

Me of course, you jokin niggaz? All sweet done was complaining about me all the time unless i eat him

On 5/14/2019 at 5:58 PM, Deep Verma said:

i never understood what was the point of Sweet requiring some sort of Gang. CJ was rich, every gang aims at becoming rich, but Sweet, his motive to this date is still a mystery. He may be had lust for being worshiped by people, that's why he always thought about expanding Groove street gang and being the leader or lust of ordering and commanding people.

He was one douchebag das all

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On 4/20/2019 at 10:56 AM, Son of Zeus said:

CJ of course. He understood that the hood life was sh*tty and they needed to make a better life outside. Sweet was an idiot who was obsessed with the hood and failed to see the negative aspects. Just because you were born there doesn't mean you have to die there.

This, I hate how CJ kept taking Sweet's sh*t even after he made a life for himself outside the hood. He was right in the return to LS arc but Sweet and the story acted like CJ was the bad guy and had to prove himself (again). Wasted opportunity here to have Sweet admit he was wrong and show some real development for CJ

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Cjrememberthat
49 minutes ago, Journey_95 said:

This, I hate how CJ kept taking Sweet's sh*t even after he made a life for himself outside the hood. He was right in the return to LS arc but Sweet and the story acted like CJ was the bad guy and had to prove himself (again). Wasted opportunity here to have Sweet admit he was wrong and show some real development for CJ

Well i changed my mind, not gonna post again, you've read my mind and posted it already lol

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iiCriminnaaL 49

When it comes to the lives they want to lead, I definitely tend to CJ's side, because being loyal to the family doesn't necessary mean that you must be a street gangster living in the neighborhood you were born in until you die.

 

However, I prefer Sweet when it comes to personalities.

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Cjrememberthat

Problem was there was nothing goin on in Grove Street, i'd accept if cj would be able to do samework in GS as well but sweet was fighting for nothing

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