Official PS5 Topic

[Turan]

3 hours ago, Baserape said:

This picture was posted on GamesRadar on the 8th of April

 

 

 

If I’m not mistaken Cerny said the PS5 will have a conventional design. So this is probably not far off. Though I expect it to have more white colors. 

[Turan]

Now this is what I like to hear when getting a next-gen controller. The DS4 already felt good in the hands so this has me excited. 

[MrBreak16]

Now that the controller was revealed, I am patiently waiting for the console reveal...

[B7R]

As long as they've improved on the trigger buttons for the PS5 Dualsense controller then I'm happy. I felt the PS4 controllers were cheaply built compared to the PS3 dualshocks. How on earth I went through 3 PS4 controllers is beyond me, the first two suffered from the R2 trigger problem where the triggers wear out and I'm on my 3rd.

[Zello]

16 minutes ago, B7R said:

As long as they've improved on the trigger buttons for the PS5 Dualsense controller then I'm happy. I felt the PS4 controllers were cheaply built compared to the PS3 dualshocks. How on earth I went through 3 PS4 controllers is beyond me, the first two suffered from the R2 trigger problem where the triggers wear out and I'm on my 3rd.

Same here. I'm on my third PS4 controller.  On my first one the square button wasn't working and on my second one R3 has been giving me issues.

[MrBreak16]

4 hours ago, B7R said:

As long as they've improved on the trigger buttons for the PS5 Dualsense controller then I'm happy. I felt the PS4 controllers were cheaply built compared to the PS3 dualshocks. How on earth I went through 3 PS4 controllers is beyond me, the first two suffered from the R2 trigger problem where the triggers wear out and I'm on my 3rd.

I got similar problems : buttons that stopped working, joystick that twitch and one of the vibrators started vibrating more then usual to the point where it broke inside the controller... I had to cut it off :

 

 

At one point, I had two broken controllers, and the only option I had (If I didn’t want to buy a new one) was to take some components from one of the controllers and place them on the other one, It fixed one of the controller, but the other became useless. I still remember the day where I threw it away, I legit wanted to cry...

Edited April 13, 2020 by MrBreak16

[B7R]

I was going to look into self repair but the screws on my controller had corroded so badly I couldn't get them out and this was on my 2nd controller that was only a year or two old. Well that's a part lie as I managed to get all but one out. Even then I still would've needed a replacement kit from China.  If I managed to self repair it would've saved me a good $60 as everything else was still working fine besides the R2 trigger. The problem is that they wore out too easily. I don't recall this ever being a problem on the PS3's controller and the only reason I went through a 2nd one was at the time I didn't have carpet and was a bit clumsy

 

Anyway another thing I want to see in regards to the PS5 controller is better battery life, after two hours I shouldn't be tethering back and fourth between charging and playing wirelessly.

[TheSantader25]

I've had problems with the R2 button on two of my dualshock controllers. And L3 button feels unresponsive in one of them as well. 

[MrBreak16]

It’s so funny to see so many Xbox fanboys on Reddit, Twitter and Youtube, just trash talking PlayStation saying stuff such as : "The Xbox Series X is going to win this generation", "Xbox Series X is more powerful", "Xbox Series X will have better graphics then the Ps5", "Ps5 is garbage", "Ps5 is going to fail", "PlayStation will end up like Sega and Atatri".... like seriously, these guys thinks that because there console is more powerful, that means that they will automatically win and that PlayStation will be out of market...

[Turan]

44 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

It’s so funny to see so many Xbox fanboys on Reddit, Twitter and Youtube, just trash talking PlayStation saying stuff such as : "The Xbox Series X is going to win this generation", "Xbox Series X is more powerful", "Xbox Series X will have better graphics then the Ps5", "Ps5 is garbage", "Ps5 is going to fail", "PlayStation will end up like Sega and Atatri".... like seriously, these guys thinks that because there console is more powerful, that means that they will automatically win and that PlayStation will be out of market...

 

The PS4 being more powerful than the Xbox One is only one of many reasons as to why the PS4 is selling more. The people who think Xbox will sell more next-gen simply because it is more powerful are in for a rude awakening. 

[MrBreak16]

8 minutes ago, Turan said:

 

The PS4 being more powerful than the Xbox One is only one of many reasons as to why the PS4 is selling more. The people who think Xbox will sell more next-gen simply because it is more powerful are in for a rude awakening. 

You should see the r/XboxSeriesX subreddit. The only thing you can post there is prasing for the console, anything else (doesn’t even have to be a troll, talking about the PS5 or telling bad about the XSX) will get instantly downvoted and you will be stormed by an army of entitled, toxic fanboys....

[Zello]

7 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

You should see the r/XboxSeriesX subreddit. The only thing you can post there is prasing for the console, anything else (doesn’t even have to be a troll, talking about the PS5 or telling bad about the XSX) will get instantly downvoted and you will be stormed by an army of entitled, toxic fanboys....

Well it is an xbox subreddit what did you expect? People are going to be biased towards the xbox...

[Jason]

Yea the PS4/PS5 subreddit aint much better. There was a whole lot of people without any sort of knowledge on the subject trying to explain how the PS5 is actually going to be more powerful through mental gymnastics etc,

 

The whole package sells consoles, power, games, service, price. I would remind people that at the start of this generation Microsoft had the blockbuster IP's, so anybody propping up 1st party IP's as the difference are also going to be in for a rude awakening.

 

Price I think will be a huge thing this gen. Then improvements to services like XBL/PSN and Games Pass/PS Now. I would expect the PS5 to sell better my self but I do expect the gap between the two consoles will be significantly smaller this gen in terms of consoles sold.

[Turan]

If these consoles end up having the same price, then the difference will be decided by brand power and exclusives. And in both cases the PS5 has the upper hand by quite a margin. 

 

But I do think the Xbox will sell better next-gen compared to this gen. Instead of being outsold by 2-to-1 it will be more like 1.5-to-1.

[Jason]

Sony isn't going to be flooding the PS5 with exclusives day one though, in fact out of the two consoles only Xbox has an exclusive announced so far and it's Halo, one of their big IP's - albeit one that's floundered in recent years. Xbox also has a sh*t ton of brand power, Sony dominates Europe these days but Xbox was king last gen. In the UK for example where PS4 now dominates the 360 dominated in the past. Aint no reason that change again

 

Nothing is set in stone though but yea, I do think Sony are still in a good position despite the.... thus far pretty bad messaging and marketing. Microsoft have got to win people back after the Xbox One announcement rubbish where as Sony have plenty of goodwill to burn through still if they do continue to stumble but I doubt they'll do that all the way up to launch.

[MrBreak16]

I was in an argument, on the PlayStation side and the guys on the Xbox side where saying that the Xbox Series X was going to crush the Ps5, because it was more powerful, faster and had a way better compatibility. They then said that the Xbox Series X will basically do everything better then the Ps5 for the same price, and that because of that, everyone would go on the Xbox and that it would become popular. They then said that Microsoft was investing in more studios to produce quality AAA games and exclusives and that soon, PlayStation won’t be able to defend themselves with their exclusives, because Xbox will have more and better exclusives. They finally said that after that, the Xbox will be the number 1 console in the world and that PlayStation will go extinct due to Xbox doing everything better then them and that PlayStation will be out of the market and join Sega and Atari in the grave....

 

These guys are so delusional that they are making up stuff and blindly believe that it will happen....

Edited April 15, 2020 by MrBreak16

[Turan]

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Sony isn't going to be flooding the PS5 with exclusives day one though, in fact out of the two consoles only Xbox has an exclusive announced so far and it's Halo, one of their big IP's - albeit one that's floundered in recent years. Xbox also has a sh*t ton of brand power, Sony dominates Europe these days but Xbox was king last gen. In the UK for example where PS4 now dominates the 360 dominated in the past. Aint no reason that change again

 

Nothing is set in stone though but yea, I do think Sony are still in a good position despite the.... thus far pretty bad messaging and marketing. Microsoft have got to win people back after the Xbox One announcement rubbish where as Sony have plenty of goodwill to burn through still if they do continue to stumble but I doubt they'll do that all the way up to launch.

 

They don't need to flood the PS5 with exclusives day one though. With the PS3 and especially with the PS4 they've already proven they can deliver quality exclusives throughout the gen. That promise alone will be enough (though I'm certain we will have two PS5 exclusives at launch). 

 

Xbox wasn't king last gen. They only lead the market in the US and UK. And even then the PS3 was right on their trail. The difference in brand power between Xbox and Playstation is staggering. 

 

Even though the marketing of PS5 is lacking, they are still generating a lot of hype on social media with the PS5. Kinda impressive. Hopefully the console will be revealed before summer (then it will be right on track again to follow the marketing strategy of the PS4). 

 

[Jason]

Again, the PS4 "won" generation despite the fact that Xbox had the big exclusives last gen. Sony's 1st party was barely a thought in their marketing for the launch of this generation, it was almost entirely about 1) console power and 2) the service. We literally got videos from them memeing about Xbox's 24 hour check in system lol. The point is, Sony yes has the track record of 1st party exclusives for this gen and yes that is a selling point but day 1 they won't have a lot of them so it's not as if they can show them off. Promises of unnanounced exclusives being good isn't as strong a selling point as other things.

 

Also, Xbox was king in pretty much every measurable way. Xbox 360 versions of games out sold PS3 significantly, just like PS4 now out sells Xbox One versions significantly.

 

Nothing is a given in the games industry is basically what I'm trying to say. And yea, Sony is still generating some mad hype, they're topping polls right now and the DualSense Instagram post had a wild amount of likes. It's a shame we aren't getting an E3 this year (not sure if Sony would have attended anyway). It would have been great to have a proper face off again, E3 2013 was one of the best I've seen, Sony basically spent an hour mugging Microsoft off.

[Turan]

I know exclusives alone don't determine everything. There are more factors at play that determine which of the brands will sell better (like the PS4 being cheaper and the XB1 having a colossal marketing f*ckup). But exclusives are absolutely important in making sure the console keeps on selling througout the gen. You can't deny PS5 has the advantage over the XSX (at this point in time at least). 

 

According to this site the PS3 has sold more software than Xbox 360. So no, Xbox 360 was not king. 

 

 

[Jason]

I would be curious to see the source for that because for multi platform titles the big games on 360 were out selling PS3 versions up to 2:1 in some cases although the gap may have been closer in the last 1-2 years of the generation as I know the hardware sales in the end were pretty much neck and neck with the PS3 eventually overtaking 360 sales, but multiplatform games continued to sell better on 360 right until the end. I believe XBL may have also had higher XBL vs PS+ numbers as well but I am pulling that from memory and I may be wrong.

 

The 360 also had the best selling exclusive with Halo 3. It was the go-to console for multi platform games, likely because of the service with things like party chat and the XBL platform generally being perceived as the better platform for multiplayer games at the time. Sony really improved PSN massively for the PS4.

Edited April 15, 2020 by Jason

[Turan]

10 hours ago, Jason said:

I would be curious to see the source for that because for multi platform titles the big games on 360 were out selling PS3 versions up to 2:1 in some cases although the gap may have been closer in the last 1-2 years of the generation as I know the hardware sales in the end were pretty much neck and neck with the PS3 eventually overtaking 360 sales, but multiplatform games continued to sell better on 360 right until the end. I believe XBL may have also had higher XBL vs PS+ numbers as well but I am pulling that from memory and I may be wrong.

 

The 360 also had the best selling exclusive with Halo 3. It was the go-to console for multi platform games, likely because of the service with things like party chat and the XBL platform generally being perceived as the better platform for multiplayer games at the time. Sony really improved PSN massively for the PS4.

The sources are all on that site below the page (see references). 
 

I’d love to see your sources for your claims. I know the 360 had a better start than the PS3, but as the gen continued the PS3 caught up and even surpassed it. And the numbers I provided in that source back my claim. So once again: the 360 wasn’t king last gen, but they were very, very competitive with the PS3. 

[MrBreak16]

I think the PlayStation 5 should take notes on the Xbox One design (Not the S or X versions, the original Xbox One)

The Xbox One was built like a Desktop while keeping a paved design which was about twice the height of the PlayStation 4. The interior was large enough to fit all the components and a pretty big fan and the sides of the consoles have lot of openings for air to go through. The Ps4 on the other hand was built like a laptop, the fan was very small and slim compared to the one on the Xbox One and the openings where on the back of the console. This is the reason why the fan was blowing very loud and that the console could have overheating issues

Edited April 16, 2020 by MrBreak16

[Jason]

6 hours ago, Turan said:

The sources are all on that site below the page (see references). 
 

I’d love to see your sources for your claims. I know the 360 had a better start than the PS3, but as the gen continued the PS3 caught up and even surpassed it. And the numbers I provided in that source back my claim. So once again: the 360 wasn’t king last gen, but they were very, very competitive with the PS3. 

Virtually every major multi platform AAA title released last gen, if not literally all of them. The 360 versions all outsold the PS3 versions. GTA, Call of Duty, etc etc. Halo 3 also out sold PS3's biggest selling exclusive Gran Turismo.

 

Sources for this are somewhat difficult to find as they are either buried deep or on dead sites, but for example with GTA V, one of the very last major releases and a game that came out after the PS3's hardware sales overtook 360 sales: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-23-gta5-sells-more-in-first-week-than-launch-weeks-of-all-other-gtas-combined

 

Xbox 360 accounted for 57% of sales versus PS3's 43%. Not 2:1 as PS3 did indeed catch up a lot, but a significant difference still. This was the norm for all multiplatform sales last generation.

 

Also I just went through all of those sources on that site and didn't find any unless I missed one. It seems like they are extrapolating software sales from hardware sales and attachment rates and not officially released figures as far as I can tell. There's also references to VGChartz, which is a site infamous for pulling figures out of their arse. Saying that, if PS3 software sales overall (again, western AAA releases sold better on 360) I would imagine the edge PS3 had would be in Asia where PS completely dominates when it comes to PS vs Xbox. In this part of the world, again, 360 versions outsold PS3 nearly (or literally) every time.

[Turan]

25 minutes ago, Jason said:

Virtually every major multi platform AAA title released last gen, if not literally all of them. The 360 versions all outsold the PS3 versions. GTA, Call of Duty, etc etc. Halo 3 also out sold PS3's biggest selling exclusive Gran Turismo.

 

Sources for this are somewhat difficult to find as they are either buried deep or on dead sites, but for example with GTA V, one of the very last major releases and a game that came out after the PS3's hardware sales overtook 360 sales: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-09-23-gta5-sells-more-in-first-week-than-launch-weeks-of-all-other-gtas-combined

 

Xbox 360 accounted for 57% of sales versus PS3's 43%. Not 2:1 as PS3 did indeed catch up a lot, but a significant difference still. This was the norm for all multiplatform sales last generation.

 

Also I just went through all of those sources on that site and didn't find any unless I missed one. It seems like they are extrapolating software sales from hardware sales and attachment rates and not officially released figures as far as I can tell. There's also references to VGChartz, which is a site infamous for pulling figures out of their arse. Saying that, if PS3 software sales overall (again, western AAA releases sold better on 360) I would imagine the edge PS3 had would be in Asia where PS completely dominates when it comes to PS vs Xbox. In this part of the world, again, 360 versions outsold PS3 nearly (or literally) every time.

 

Ok, so basically sales were better on the 360 in the west and better on the PS3 in the east. Though it is difficult to prove these because as you said a lot of data is just hard to find or missing.

 

What we do know for sure is that in 2013 the PS3 beat (barely) the X360 in sales of the consoles. So while the X360 may have done better in the west, the PS3 did better overall. 

 

Anyway, it is all in the past. I'm curious to see how next-gen is going to develop now that PS in the lead. 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Turan

[Jason]

Yea, my general point is simply that PS being such a huge leader now doesn't necessarily mean that it will happen next-gen. They can f*ck it up hard enough and MS sell their console well enough that it'll swap. Like I said before, I don't think it will happen but it just isn't impossible by any means.

 

It really does suck that we aren't gonna get a E3 2013 style showdown honestly. I firmly believe that Sony "won" the generation on that day, both companies sold their consoles to the fans over a weekend and Sony curbstomped MS. It's a shame we aint getting anything like that this time around, I imagine all the new details regarding services and price will be littered throughout the year and on wildly different days from each other.

[MrBreak16]

Xbox fanboys are getting more aggressive towards PlayStation. I think some of them believe the PS5 rumors a bit too much...

[Jason]

1 hour ago, MrBreak16 said:

Xbox fanboys are getting more aggressive towards PlayStation. I think some of them believe the PS5 rumors a bit too much...

Every console has it's silly fanboys. As said before, PS fanboys are believing rumours that paint the XSX in a bad light too.

 

I've seen my fair share of PS fanboys using mental gymnastics to explain why the PS5 is actually more powerful when by all accounts it is not.

[MrBreak16]

25 minutes ago, Jason said:

Every console has it's silly fanboys. As said before, PS fanboys are believing rumours that paint the XSX in a bad light too.

 

I've seen my fair share of PS fanboys using mental gymnastics to explain why the PS5 is actually more powerful when by all accounts it is not.

The thing I found stupid though is fanboys that makes false statements which make some peoples switch sides after believing the crap that said fanboys said. I have seen this on both sides, PS fanboys lying and getting Xbox fans to switch to PS and Xbox fanboys lying and getting PS fans to switch to Xbox. Though I have noticed that Xbox supporters do it more... after all it’s easier when they have the more powerful console and Phil Spencer is making so much promises...

Edited April 17, 2020 by MrBreak16

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, MrBreak16 said:

Though I have noticed that Xbox supporters do it more

I mean, no lol. I don't have a side in the race (I mainly play on PC, I own a console purely for friends) and it's just as bad on both sides. PS fanboys always fall back on the same argument, exclusives, where as Xbox fan boys are talking about power. Then you have idiots literally making up reasons why one is actually better than the other, ie PS fanboys trying to convince people the PS5 is more powerful.

 

To say it happens more on one side is pretty silly.

[MrBreak16]

I still can’t believe that many peoples out there says the PS5 is a "weak" and "worthless" console. It’s not even out yet and we barely have any informations on it, and peoples already says that it have a huge disadvantage, that it will be a massive failure and other bullsh*t like that, just because it have 2 TFLOPS less then the Xbox Series X . I hope the guys who said that, realize that the PS5 is way superior then an Xbox One X...

Edited April 18, 2020 by MrBreak16