Two Questions: Horse & Ability Cards

[Bakkerbaard]

Seperate subjects. I just figured I'd stick it in one post to keep the clutter down.

 

1. How are we on horses? I remember some time ago that it didn't matter which horse you had as the stats didn't really mean anything. I'm looking at buying a bigger horse, even though bonding is still resetting for me, a Shire maybe. I like the big bulky horses with the furry hooves. The War Horse I got free in Story mode looked awesome. But if stats have started to matter now I might be swayed into one of the big but more streamlined horses. The makes and models won't come to me right now.

So, having ridden the free dumbass Arabian since day one, how much will I "suffer" if I trade up.

Oh! And how do the stable costs work again? 75c per horse, right?

 

2. Ability cards then. I've dipped into them at last. My opinion on them hasn't changed, but that's not the point of this. What's a good counter for Slippery Bastard, if you're a rifle/repeater person?

I was trying to get five Bolt Action kills for my dailies yesterday in a Showdown and I saw this guy come my way. All I had to do was wait for a clear shot. Fella was blurry and I couldn't lock on for the life of me and he proceeded to cave my head in with a tomahawk. Just walked right up to me.

I'm not at all familiar with these ability cards, but I assume this is Slippery Bastard. A good system would have a counter card for that, so I'm giving this system the benefit of the doubt and asking.

I suppose I'll also have to shell out $350 damn dollars for upgrades too, before I can get a good counter?

Edited March 29, 2019 by Bakkerbaard

[SuperJude™]

Horses: Glitch still there. I'm still getting level 1 bonding, but I think in actuality you do unlock the stamina and health it just doesn't show?

 

Ability Cards: For one, the way to defeat slippery bastard is to NOT USE AUTO AIM! Get use to free aiming! All their diving and jumping around doesn't mean anything. In fact I'd rather them dive to the ground makes them easier to shoot. There is nothing to counter the BS %%% though where you just simply miss shots that should be direct hits because ABILITIES!

 

Some abilities though are simply Lag/Latency.

 

A LOT OF PLAYERS are on wireless connections sitting in a room far away from their router. Makes me long for the days we were all hard wired.

 

As for paying, fight fire with fire bro. I use cards that fit me, like doing more damage on horseback and more damage closer to death because these are helpful to me, a Free Aim user.

[Daleificent]

1 hour ago, Bakkerbaard said:

Seperate subjects. I just figured I'd stick it in one post to keep the clutter down.

 

1. How are we on horses? I remember some time ago that it didn't matter which horse you had as the stats didn't really mean anything. I'm looking at buying a bigger horse, even though bonding is still resetting for me, a Shire maybe. I like the big bulky horses with the furry hooves. The War Horse I got free in Story mode looked awesome. But if stats have started to matter now I might be swayed into one of the big but more streamlined horses. The makes and models won't come to me right now.

So, having ridden the free dumbass Arabian since day one, how much will I "suffer" if I trade up.

Oh! And how do the stable costs work again? 75c per horse, right?

 

2. Ability cards then. I've dipped into them at last. My opinion on them hasn't changed, but that's not the point of this. What's a good counter for Slippery Bastard, if you're a rifle/repeater person?

I was trying to get five Bolt Action kills for my dailies yesterday in a Showdown and I saw this guy come my way. All I had to do was wait for a clear shot. Fella was blurry and I couldn't lock on for the life of me and he proceeded to cave my head in with a tomahawk. Just walked right up to me.

I'm not at all familiar with these ability cards, but I assume this is Slippery Bastard. A good system would have a counter card for that, so I'm giving this system the benefit of the doubt and asking.

I suppose I'll also have to shell out $350 damn dollars for upgrades too, before I can get a good counter?

Horsies: I did a little googling and what not, mixed with my experiences. Horse stats (Speed and Accel.) matter, it seems like the stats get equalized in a race series, but there is a lot to be said about how good of a jockey a person is. (Or shot, depending on how you race lol.) I used a Saddler for a good while, just recently bought a Standardbred. There is a difference for sure even with the small stat change. (+1 for Standardbred compared to Saddler). Just remember to upgrade your saddle to, better stirrups give you better stats as well. Pretty sure the glitch like Superjude mentioned is there but the stats seem to change, just says Level 1 all the time (this is just my experience here). Handling also makes a difference, so when you're using Drafts your turns will not be as sharp as the race or superior groups. But, a good sliding turn and doesn't matter. Honestly unless you're racing a lot, any horse will work fine. Even then, I placed a few times with just a Saddler.

 

Abilities: I PvP rarely. I do well enough even against maxed cards so I don't invest in them to much. My experience is limited and couldn't tell ya much. lol.

Edited March 29, 2019 by Daleificent
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[Ronzilla.]

Counter Slippery Bastard? Maybe this will help: 

 

[4eyedcoupe]

No colors anymore

[aFinn]

On horses stats matter in free roam. You want a lot of stamina and health plus speed and acceleration. I would recommend Missouri Fox Trotter, it's 950 dollars if I remember right.

Ride it on story mode to see if you like it. Turkoman is another option many use.

 

Paint It Black is a counter for Slippery.

Upgrading cards is 350 dollars for tier 2 and tier 3 costs 500 dollars on top of that so 900 dollars per maxed out ability card.

 

[Chrismads]

Horse speed and acceleration doesn't matter in races at all.

I'm 99% sure it doesn't matter in free roam either.

Did a posse race Valentine to Emerald Ranch, roads only.

My Morgan vs UE Thoroughbred (fastest horse in the game).

I got in 2 seconds later on my morgan.

That shouldn't be possible with that huge a difference in stats no matter how bad a rider.

 

Bonding glitch is a bit annoying. Thats all. Health and stamina is the same on the unbonded horse as your level 4.

 

I'd say: buy your Shire. It looks awesome.

 

Best counter to slippery is apparently paint it black. Never tried it myself, but tried it used on myself when using slippery.

[Jasmyn]

I recently bought a Thorougbred (brindle coat) and this horse could also be the one for you. Fairly big, good stats, good stamina and a good temper, 

Edited March 29, 2019 by jamsroob

[Daleificent]

11 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Horse speed and acceleration doesn't matter in races at all.

I'm 99% sure it doesn't matter in free roam either.

Did a posse race Valentine to Emerald Ranch, roads only.

My Morgan vs UE Thoroughbred (fastest horse in the game).

I got in 2 seconds later on my morgan.

That shouldn't be possible with that huge a difference in stats no matter how bad a rider.

 

Again, I'm pretty sure races even the stats for the horses, even posse races. I'm surprised no one has just had a few folks actually do a straight way race to see if there is a difference in speed/acceleration.

[Bakkerbaard]

1 hour ago, aFinn said:

On horses stats matter in free roam. You want a lot of stamina and health plus speed and acceleration. I would recommend Missouri Fox Trotter, it's 950 dollars if I remember right.

Hm. Free roam is where I'll be using it... $950 certainly makes it the less preferred option though. The Shire I was looking at maxes out at 150... 180? Under 2 anyway.

1 hour ago, aFinn said:

Paint It Black is a counter for Slippery.

Upgrading cards is 350 dollars for tier 2 and tier 3 costs 500 dollars on top of that so 900 dollars per maxed out ability card.

I keep forgetting most of these cards require dead eye to function. I've had Paint It Black ever since I got the one free card, but I find activating dead eye just one action too many.

Besides, I think 350 bucks is too much already. At 500 I think I'll just bend over and take it when I need to go in Showdown for my dailies. 

 

It basically comes down to a bunch of cards I don't really want or a horse that's not afraid of rocks, looking at the numbers.

41 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Horse speed and acceleration doesn't matter in races at all.

I'm 99% sure it doesn't matter in free roam either.

I try to avoid racing, so no issue either way there. And no offense to @aFinn, but I'm gonna choose to believe this 99% guess.

What's the return if I don't like a horse? 10%, like the other game?

Bought horses can be sold, right?

39 minutes ago, jamsroob said:

I recently bought a Thorougbred (brindle coat) and this horse could also be the one for you. Fairly big, good stats, good stamina and a good temper,

That's Hamish's horse right? The Dutch Thuroughbred, you patriot. ;o)

Or was that the warmblood?

[ALifeOfMisery]

I can only echo what others have said above.

 

For a freeroam horse a MFT or Turkoman won't let you down. Turks are bigger, but put a special saddle on either and they'll sprint nonstop.

 

The counter to Slippery is PIB and distance.

[Daleificent]

3 minutes ago, Bakkerbaard said:

Bought horses can be sold, right?

 

From what I've seen, I can discard my bought horses. I do not get cash for them. At all.

 

Also, stats do matter in Free Roam, it's just how much do they matter to you. You can notice a difference, but I don't have a drastically easier/harder time when it comes to riding up on players, from players, or during stranger missions simply cause my horse has better stats. You won't catch my Arabian on a Shire in Free Roam outside a race, won't happen, but you won't be left in the dust outright. Handling is the biggest thing to look at, of all stats, this one is one you can notice.

 

Though I do not think the breed of horse changes how a horse handles compared to others with the same class of handling. (I.E. Thoroughbred does not have better handling then Standardbred. They both have 'race' handling.)

 

It really does just boil down to preference. Buy what you want, and you won't be disappointed.

I plan on buying a Shire soon for combat heavy missions. Brick wall of a horse and not easy to knock over with me on it.

 

[Chunkey_Monkey]

Horse are broken to f*ck, The only real part that works is stamina and health twinned with a good saddle.

 

Speed their all roughly the same handling wise is different Top Arabians handle sweet in corners 

 

Stupid when a 5 specced speed horse can run flat out against a 9 specced speed horse WTF

 

Bonding disease still there but more evident in posse 

 

Red core virus is back 

 

Best horse for general use as said above MFT and Turk followed by Black Arabian

[Foxwolfe]

Everyone seems to be glossing over you mentioning the guy you couldn't lock onto being blurry, which would be him exploiting something (for example the transparency you gain near a stranger mission quest giver). 

 

If this was the case then you wouldn't have been able to kill him either way.

[Bakkerbaard]

7 hours ago, Foxwolfe said:

Everyone seems to be glossing over you mentioning the guy you couldn't lock onto being blurry, which would be him exploiting something (for example the transparency you gain near a stranger mission quest giver). 

 

If this was the case then you wouldn't have been able to kill him either way.

In the end it's just for my dailies, so I think I'm probably gonna skip on the rest of the ability cards entirely. Not worth it for me personally. And if I run into a cheat, well... Humans, right?

[Van_Hellsing]

The Arabian is a nervous wreck. It throws you off and runs to the next state at any time. 

 

The Turkoman got on my nerves, because it flops its head from left to right all the time. The Turkoman is a very tall horse. Its head can get in the way while aiming. A female Turkoman can change to male. The Turkoman can become nervous without any reason. 

 

After long hesitation, I bought the Missouri Foxtrotter. It is a very ugly horse. I bought some cosmetic upgrades to change the color of the tail and maines.

 

To outperform the Turkoman, it needs horse bounding level 2-3. The fox is a very agile horse. The Turkoman is more a tank. 

 

The fox does flop its head, but only when you pull the leads hard. The head is lower than the Turkoman. So no sudden interruptions while using a scoped rifle. The best thing is its temper. The fox is far more calm than the Arabian and Turkoman. 

 

I recommend that you buy the Beaver Roping saddle. With this saddle the fox can run forever, without running out of stamina. 

 

To counter the slippery bastard, use the paint it black with the unblinking eye. I nailed a few basterds this way. 

 

My setup is PIB, Unblinking Eye, Never Without One and Horseman. All tier III. I am very happy with this setup. A lot of daily objectives are search for herb this and kill animal that. 

 

Edited March 30, 2019 by Van_Hellsing

[Bakkerbaard]

The Foxtrotter and Turkoman were both too small. I finally figured fukkit and I went with a black & white Hungarian Halfbred, called Herman. Looked the most like a cross between the massive shire and the quick Arabian. That's really the only credit I can give the Arabian, as I do notice a difference, but I'm never in a rush anyway.

 

The best difference is that the Arabian goes:

"JESUS CHRIST! ALLIGATOR! SAVE YOURSELF, DICKHEAD, I'M GONE! ....bye!"

And the Hungarian goes:

"Hey, look, that purse has legs. Let me just move both of us aside so you can shoot it for being in our way."

Edited March 31, 2019 by Bakkerbaard

[Boozey St John]

It's not about the horse, it's about the friendship built along the way. 

Edited April 2, 2019 by Boozey St John
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[Amy Vinewood]

I tried the Arabian and the Thoroughbred, I found both to be skittish at times.

I chose the Fox Trotter, here I get attacked by wolves - the Arabian would have thrown me off to get eaten, but the Fox Trotter stood her ground

 

[Failed Again]

Tuk isn't small. and is awesome.. Tall but streamlined

He's 10 heath with beaver roping saddle, wolves can circle her, and I don't get thrown, Had a bear charge me in a blind ravine (below the wrecked train. Shot the bear in the face it died and rolled into the front legs of the horse(no fear)(3 star pelt0

 

my previous Andalusian whimpered if I skinned rabbits near him.  Andalusians are Big  with Classic neck. They look nice All show Called Him snowflake,

 

Had a ganker do the road rage ram, it killed Him and his horse..no damage to us

Edited April 2, 2019 by Failed Again

[AmyStone]

8 hours ago, Amy Vinewood said:

I tried the Arabian and the Thoroughbred, I found both to be skittish at times.

I chose the Fox Trotter, here I get attacked by wolves - the Arabian would have thrown me off to get eaten, but the Fox Trotter stood her ground

 

I've never had trouble with wolves and the black Arabian. The only thing it throws me off for is crocs and cougars. 

[Wickahoney]

I'm beginning to wonder if there's actually a difference in temperament between breeds or if it just depends on how soon you click in the left stick. I'll admit, it does seem like my Tennessee Walker handles bear and cougar attacks better than both my war horses, but the description for the war horses doesn't say anything about animal attacks, just that they're better in a gunfight. Of course, with the name war horse you'd think they'd be totally bombproof.

[Between3and22char]

Hi,

about the stables, I have two horses and the fee is $ 1.50.

about the horses, the stats in races are the same for all horses, I don't know if is designed like that or a bug.

My main horse is a Turkoman Gold, can stomp on alligators like nothing, was so tired of the other horse bucking me off. For free roam, with a -50% stamina drain, either from stirrups or special saddles, at this moment almost it doesn't matter the stamina, you can't use the L3 while carrying a bag in a stranger mission though.

About the bonding glitch, just flee your horse, wait a couple of seconds and call it again, level 4 again. Is annoying, but is an easy and quick "fix" until is fixed. The pelts, carcass won't disappear if you flee your horse, they fixed that.

 

about the ability cards, it depends a lot on your play style and weapons, I can't say one setup is the best, you need to test them and see what is best for you.

[Chrismads]

I don't know what to think anymore..

I'm starting to find it more plausible that all horses has the same speed and temperement and that the difference was all in my head, than R* actually bothered to make them different

[ALifeOfMisery]

4 hours ago, Chrismads said:

I don't know what to think anymore..

I'm starting to find it more plausible that all horses has the same speed and temperement and that the difference was all in my head, than R* actually bothered to make them different

My horses seem to have random temperaments. I've got 3 Turks and 2 Fox Trotters, all male. Of the 3 Turks the gold and silver have a calm temperament, but the dark bay is much noisier and a little more skittish and as for the Fox Trotters, the amber champagne is very calm and quiet while the silver dapple pinto is noisy and skittish in comparison.

[Chrismads]

5 hours ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

My horses seem to have random temperaments. I've got 3 Turks and 2 Fox Trotters, all male. Of the 3 Turks the gold and silver have a calm temperament, but the dark bay is much noisier and a little more skittish and as for the Fox Trotters, the amber champagne is very calm and quiet while the silver dapple pinto is noisy and skittish in comparison.

I got black arabian, mft champagne, dark turk, brindle thoroughbred, white shire and a grey kentucky saddler and I honestly can't tell the difference anymore.

Except maybe the turk is pretty uneasy and that smaller horses is easier to hunt from because the head doesn't block as much

Edited April 3, 2019 by Chrismads

[Dr.Rosenthal]

@Chrismads I’d like to know how the MFT Champagne compares to the Black Arabian? And also how the Black Arabian compares to the Red Arabian. I own the Red Arabian.

 

To me, in terms of appearance, I prefer the MFT’s slightly bulkier build to the Arabians. Arabians look so measly in comparison. And they honestly look anxious, like they’re afraid of being alive.

 

But I also do a lot of shooting/fighting on horseback, so I like the Arabians agility in a way. And I’d want a black horse.

 

At the moment I’ve got around 60 gold bars, and I’m thinking maybe I should just wait until R* releases a new horse breed/variant (that will probably outclass the existing ones). I do love my MFT, and never use the Red Arabian nowadays...

Edited April 3, 2019 by Dr.Rosenthal

[Chrismads]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

@Chrismads I’d like to know how the MFT Champagne compares to the Black Arabian? And also how the Black Arabian compares to the Red Arabian. I own the Red Arabian.

 

To me, in terms of appearance, I prefer the MFT’s slightly bulkier build to the Arabians. Arabians look so measly in comparison. And they honestly look anxious, like they’re afraid of being alive.

 

But I also do a lot of shooting/fighting on horseback, so I like the Arabians agility in a way. And I’d want a black horse.

 

At the moment I’ve got around 60 gold bars, and I’m thinking maybe I should just wait until R* releases a new horse breed/variant (that will probably outclass the existing ones). I do love my MFT, and never use the Red Arabian nowadays...

I only bought the black arabian because I hated it, to prove that it's crap. 

 

But when I reached max bonding with it, I couldn't tell the difference.

The arabian looks ridiculus imo, and so does my character when on it. It might suit female characters better.

I would choose the MFT over arabians everyday.

 

Dunno how it compares to the red arabian as I ditched that as soon as I unlocked the hungarian halfbred.

 

I had to compensate for the stupid looking arabian and bought the white shire. I absolutely love it. It can even be used in battle to hide behind.

 

As I said I can't even tell the difference in speed or temper anymore, so I just choose by looks and stamina.

[yeezy203]

I LOVE the Tiger Striped Bay Mustang. It's a hefty 16 gold bars, but I had to have it because I just loved it in SP. It's definitely a bit different than SP it gets skittish at times, only bucks me when a bear is attacking. In SP, the thing is a tank and tramples small animals on impact, not so much online but it's still a great horse. A little short, but built like an ox and very strong which helps in races.

[Chunkey_Monkey]

1 hour ago, Dr.Rosenthal said:

@Chrismads I’d like to know how the MFT Champagne compares to the Black Arabian? And also how the Black Arabian compares to the Red Arabian. I own the Red Arabian.

 

To me, in terms of appearance, I prefer the MFT’s slightly bulkier build to the Arabians. Arabians look so measly in comparison. And they honestly look anxious, like they’re afraid of being alive.

 

But I also do a lot of shooting/fighting on horseback, so I like the Arabians agility in a way. And I’d want a black horse.

 

At the moment I’ve got around 60 gold bars, and I’m thinking maybe I should just wait until R* releases a new horse breed/variant (that will probably outclass the existing ones). I do love my MFT, and never use the Red Arabian nowadays...

Black Arabian is far better than the Red one its temperament is better and its better with wolves and gators, As for the Fox trotter i have the dapple one and that runs rings around the Black Arabian its far more tolerant than any other horse with predators animals and i hear the champagne is better but not used that one online also the Turk is better with predators than the Black Arabian. Hope thats of some help 

 

PS Fox Trotter is by far the best online horse overall