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Liberty-TG

RD1 vs RD2,who is better and why??

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GinsengElixir

Totally different games but can sit side by side. One day I'll play them back to back.

 

For me I prefer RDR1. With RDR2 I feel conflicted. It's either stunning or infuriating.  Off the top of my head this is why I prefer RDR

 

- It's tone was very consistent.

- It's themes were present but not told in an overbearing way.

- The story was as close to narrative perfection as I've seen in a game. Like GTA4, it takes you to new areas in a really expert way. From New Austin to Mexico to West Elizabeth, and the way it's missions take you to areas within those areas or states. It's also told in a very concise manner, whereas RDR2 is bloated as sh*t by the time it ends. Chapter 5 and 6 just drag on and on.

- Each area of the map feels very distinct, new and fresh. Loads of distinct places in New Austin alone, from Hennigens stead to Thieves landing to Armidillo. Then of course a whole new map in Mexico opens up. In RDR2 everywhere felt the same apart from Lemoyne, and we didn't even get to do anything in West Elizabeth or Tall trees before the epilogue. That said the level of detail on the map for RDR2 is insane. Unparalleled.

- We actually got a sense of how bad the gangs were, through what they said and did(like raping the women and mutilating a man at Ridgewood farm). The O'Driscolls and Lemoyne Raiders were weak antagonist gangs. I never saw what they really did to people, other than beat a guy up in Valentine. 

- The antagonists were actually quite fleshed out - Allende, De Santa, Dutch, Ross.....I couldn't really tell you who the antagonists were in RDR2, mostly just nameless, faceless goons. Milton obviously, who was a cardboard cutout preachy villain, Cornwall who we never learnt much about other than being a 'bad capitalist' intent on agressive expansion. Colm..meh, Bronte meh...Braithwaite women meh. Nothing central or compelling to fight against other than Dutch's stupidity. The difference with John is that we had to do all these things to see our family again. In RDR2 it was like...ok we need money to go and buy some land....but I don't want to live with these unlikeable lunatics and I feel no loyalty to them, I'm just told I should.

With John I felt the loneliness and longing but this is entirely subjective I know.

- Long way from home moment>Unshaken

 

Gameplay

- We didn't have to eat, bathe or clean our guns for very mild effects. I loved looking after my horse though...

- I never tired of the shooting gallery, even though it was overused. In RDR2 I reached my peak in chapter 4 and lost my patience in chapter 5. By chapter 6 I'd had enough of it entirely. With RDR the shootouts felt tight and realistic and with the right amount of enemies. 

- Bounties. Loved this aspect of RDR, not so much bothered by them in 2.

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Jutland

Haven’t played RDR but am idly thinking about doing so.

 

The issue though is that i’m not really a fan of spaghetti westerns, which is was why I never bought RDR in the first place. Having now read this thread, the ‘feel’ of RDR seems crucial to most people, and it is a the feel of a spaghetti western movie. People who like spaghetti westerns prefer RDR.

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Jimbatron

Both would make my top 10 games of all time without hesitation.

 

I have to say though, RDR2 has, in my opinion, a far more sophisticated story. RDR1's plot is enjoyable, but a bit linear. Encounter different groups of people, who you have to befriend or placate to catch up with your targets. It's a bit rinse and repeat up until the final 3rd. RDR2 on the other hand has tons of flesh out characters with very distinct and rich personalities. It is much more about the personal interactions between the gang and whilst if you've played the original you know who will definitely survive, there are various twists and turns that still keep you hooked.

 

Beyond the story, it's a newer game, so it's bigger with far more options and content. So I can comfortably put RDR2 ahead as the better game.

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The Jungz

Hard to say honestly.

 

From my many playthroughs, Red Dead 2 is better but Red Dead 1 IS the tighter experience.

 

RDR2 has higher peaks than RDR1, but it also has the lowest lows. I never once, in 9 years of playing Red Dead Redemption, thought to myself : "Wow! Now THAT is badly designed." Everything kinda falls into place very neatly into an amazing, cohesive experience. Red Dead 2 however, holy sh*t, the amount of times where I just have to put the controller down to keep myself from throwing it straight through the wall is staggering. 

 

The game suffers from the same awful Rockstar Philosophy that we saw in GTA V. Lots of enticing, eye catching glitters, but the actual mechanics of the game are lackluster as f*ck for the most part. After only a year since release, I feel like RDR2 has aged a lot. Whereas RDR1, (while it's obviously aged because it's on last-gen) still holds up very well and is more than what you'd expect from a 2010 title.

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GroveStGTAV

Rdr1 has awesome ambient musics. It plays even in towns or on foot. It gives us more hypte to play as cowboy. 

But rdr2s ambient musics playing rare and just on horse

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Ironside

RDR2 is the better and more enjoyable game as it is. RDR was better compared to the time it was released as it was way beyond other games in so much. 
 

I prefer RDR2 because of more or less everything but I do hate that we do not get access to 30% of the map until the epilogue. It really feels like a wasted opportunity to make a great game even better. I am also no fan of the online part of RDR2 but still, RDR2 is for me today way more enjoyable than RDR. 

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BoulderFaceplant

RDR2 has generally superior gameplay mechanics. That being said, the missions in the first RDR are more enjoyable.

 

Both stories have missed opportunities and writing slip-ups. Why don’t we get to see John’s guilt over some of the awful things he has to do in Mexico to find Javier? Why is he threatening to hurt Ross in every other cutscene of the 3rd act when he should really be kissing the man’s ass to save his family? (Seriously, this really stood out to me when I played it again earlier this year. Ross would’ve been a lot more effective as a villain if John treated him with courtesy and patience, only for Ross to backstab and shoot him down.) 

 

As for RDR2, Micah represents a bigger missed opportunity than anything I mentioned. And why does every single plan always end in tragedy? Can’t we have one scheme that illustrates why the gang trusts Dutch to begin with? 

 

RDR’s music more or less obliterates that of RDR2. I’m sorry, it’s not even close. 

 

Both SP stories suffer from a lack of player choice at pivotal plot moments. Why can’t we have any say in whether Jack executes Ross? Why can’t we choose not to go after Micah?

 

I would be over the moon for a remake of RDR that fixes these issues. And even if it doesn’t, at least it would have the RDR2 gameplay mechanics, mixed with the superior missions and music of RDR. 

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Alexlecj
3 hours ago, BoulderFaceplant said:

RDR’s music more or less obliterates that of RDR2. I’m sorry, it’s not even close.

 

I wholeheartedly disagrees with that statement.

 

RDR has great music, but it lacks variety and momentum compared to RDR2's score.

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Xerukal

I think the reason people hold RDR1's music in higher regard is most likely due to there being more of a classic western influence on its combat/adventure tracks. I'm talking about tracks like Horseplay, The Outlaw's Return, Triggernometry. 

 

RDR2's musical focus is more on lyrical tracks that evoke very specific feelings during missions. And the original tracks that are composed by Woody Jackson seem to be used sparingly, and some of them are quite thematically slow, too.

 

I do miss some of those really cool combat tracks from the first game. But at the same time... RDR2 has THIS track, which is just incredible. 

 

 

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JMarston
On 11/1/2019 at 7:59 AM, Xerukal said:

I think the reason people hold RDR1's music in higher regard is most likely due to there being more of a classic western influence on its combat/adventure tracks. I'm talking about tracks like Horseplay, The Outlaw's Return, Triggernometry. 

 

RDR2's musical focus is more on lyrical tracks that evoke very specific feelings during missions. And the original tracks that are composed by Woody Jackson seem to be used sparingly, and some of them are quite thematically slow, too.

 

I do miss some of those really cool combat tracks from the first game. But at the same time... RDR2 has THIS track, which is just incredible. 

 

 

And that at the same time is a variation / remix of the RDR theme. In fact all the music in the epilogue is from the original RDR.

On 31/10/2019 at 23:34, GroveStGTAV said:

Rdr1 tiene increíbles músicas ambientales. Se juega incluso en ciudades o a pie. Nos da más hipte para jugar como vaquero. 

Pero las músicas ambientales de rdr2 son raras y solo a caballo

In part that is because the game takes place in the east and the music lets you know.  The game itself does not feel like a true western because of that, except for specific moments.

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BoulderFaceplant

The thing about RDR2’s music is that it repeats constantly. I know this happens in RDR1, but that’s mostly relegated to specific actions (completing a stranger mission prompts the same cue, and it’s awesome every time btw). 

 

RDR2 repeats musical cues in the open world much more often than RDR seems to. The same few guitar plucks will play over and over and OVER during a 2-hour play session as you move across the map. If the gangs have their own themes, they’re certainly not used often enough. I dunno, it’s just really disappointing. Not annoying, but definitely a missed opportunity. 

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silly_nate

Red Dead 2 

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without a doubt is better than Red Dead 1 

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But if you ask me, I think Red Dead 3 

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improved on just about everything from Red Dead 2 and overall is better than the previous two.

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GroveStGTAV

 

This one is just one them reasons to enjoy first rdr than rdr2

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El Payaso

The first is way better. Like others face said, it just had this ambiance that 2 doesn't have. In 1, you also spend more time in the ACTUAL West and desert areas. In 2, the desert areas and West are there but you barely if at all have any missions that take place there. It's so disappointing.

 

2 also spends so much time on things that makes me question if the developers stopped to think if should do it even though they can. It wastes too much time on trying to be a life sim than being an enjoyable game. When I get home from work, the last thing I want to worry about is taking care of those camp members and doing mundane things. It's just not fun.

 

The missions and story in 1 are also better. The characters John meets are more interesting. Like that "god" character.

 

I think it's pretty telling that some of the first mods for RDR 2 were mods for skipping the first few missions (tutorials). That's one of the few things that deter me anytime I want to replay the game.

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KingAJ032304

I always felt RDR1 was really overrated while at the same time kinda under the radar to the general public/mainstream audience.

 

RDR2 is the start of a new generation of technical capabilities.

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donnits

RDR1’s story and focus on its theme is still better to me, but the gameplay in RDR2 is better. This is why I so badly want the first one remade using the sequel’s gameplay.

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jippa_lippa

As much as I loved RDR1, I think RDR2 is better in every single way.

I love John Marston, but I think Arthur Morgan is a much better written character, with a wider spectrum of emotions.

Every cutscene in chapter 6 was so emotional, and you could really see a change in the character's views.

I also loved JM in RDR2 to be fair.

I think the whole of RDR2 is a masterpiece and the part from chapter 6 to Epilogue part 2 is absolutely a masterpiece.

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PapasHota

RDR2 gameplay is trash, i just gotta back to RDR1 the gameplay got a bit outdated but still is thousand times better than RDR2, the story was good until chapter 2, chapter 3 onwards it goes to nonsensical sh*t, they made John Marston a f*cking dumbass in the epilogue, that sh*t aint the real John Marston, they f*cked up big time, only thing RDR2 does better than RDR1 is the graphics the rest is inferior.

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HOW'S ANNIE?

Sat down to RDR 1 today and started a new game. Been binging it for six hours straight now. Something I could almost never do in RDR 2.

 

Granted the first game isn't as packed to the walls full of content as the second, but I think that's what lets down RDR 2 so much. Yes it's a much, much more immersive experience, but it's so easy to get fatigued playing it. You can play RDR 2 for hours and hours, yet it sometimes feels like you've gotten nowhere.

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jaylen pizarro
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rdr 2 cause better gameplay

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GeorgeWashingtonxx77
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Man, that's like asking me to choose The Good, the Bad and the Ugly or Once Upon a Time in the West. RDR 2 is the better game overall imo. They improved an extreme amount of things from RDR 1. However there's something about the former one that sticks with me more.

 

The warmth of the spaghetti western setting, the soundtrack, the skybox looking like a beautiful painting, the characters were more memorable to me (Seth, Irish, Bonnie, West Dickens and Leight Johnson) and nostalgia from a simpler time in my life.

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Gettin up

RDR2 is much better.

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The Wolf Man

RDR1 is more of a western game without a doubt (the desert, the "whistle" musics and the overall tone of the game). 

 

And everything that makes RDR2 a great game was done first in RDR1: the slow-pacing, the death of the protagonist (and the later revenge mission).

 

HOWEVER, RDR2 improved (and drastically) all of these features. It is bigger, better, longer... with the exception of the "western feeling" like I previously said, which is a letdown IMO.

 

Anyway, with all things considered, RDR2 is my take for the best game.

 

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~INDIO~
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As much as I love RDR2 I have more criticism for it than the first one.

 

RDR has better characters, humour, more interesting side missions, consistent weather, less enemy accuracy, better ambient music, better mini games, more bounties, physics and shootouts are more fun a lot of the time (especially shooting enemies off horses), Bill isn't an idiot, Dutch isn't a complete sh*twaffling gullible lunatic, oh and it has MEXICO!😃

It has more of a western setting, which I love as I prefer Sergio Leone's work over anything else.

 

RDR2 does improve a lot of things though. Riding horses feels better, customising weapons, world looks better etc..

 

John Marston in RDR was near perfect. He's confident, doesn't take sh*t and doesn't whine much.

They kind of made him a dummy in RDR2 which was a big disappointment for a lot of people.

Also, If I'd known what an insufferable, stuck up bitch Abigail is, I'd have retired Marston in Mexico. (She isn't so bad in the first game, but there's times I want to shoot her in 2. Her new voice actor has the most annoying voice ever.)

 

I think if they do RDR3, I'd like a proper western setting with more interesting side stuff to do.

I think Arthur as a protagonist is a bit of a snoozer at times, constantly doubting himself and virtue signalling, sometimes to the point of pure cringe, but that's not to say I dislike him. But an outlaw should definitely have higher self esteem.

 

Also, some of the bugs in RDR2 are game breaking and it has issues that haven't been addressed.

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GinsengElixir
On 11/28/2019 at 4:19 AM, GroveStGTAV said:

 

This one is just one them reasons to enjoy first rdr than rdr2

Most definitely. Noth soundtrack and ambient music was sublime. 

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CosmicBuffalo

Red Dead 2 is by far superior in every way that matters.  Especially, the character and story development.  Although the ambient music in RDR has a slight edge.  Some of the mechanics such as fast travel to a way point and selling animals to distant areas is extremely missed.

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jmmontoro

Never had a console so I don't even know about 1.

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DexMacLeod

I think they're both great games and they both have their flaws. The difference is with RDR2 I spotted those flaws almost right away whereas with RDR1 it took me multiple playthroughs before certain things started to aggravate me.

 

RDR2 is obviously more technologically impressive but I still felt way more immersed in RDR1 than I did in the prequel. The stories are great in both but with RDR2 I found myself not having much interest in the actual game and just rushing through the story. A big part of that was RDR2's lack of consistency.

 

The game constantly felt like it was struggling to decide whether it wanted to be the typical Rockstar mindless shooter with over the top action or something that catered more to the RP community. It ended up making the attempts at realism feel random, out of place and an immersion killer.

 

In the end I liked RDR2 for its pretty world, great story and cinematic flourish. I liked RDR1 for it's pretty and engaging world, great story and its gameplay. 

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Schwartzxz

one thing I like more about RDR1 is the western feeling it has. I know why RDR2 doesnt have it but I still dont like it. also RDR2 has the best antagonist and protagonist out of all Rockstar games. to me atleast. 

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Jabalous
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22 hours ago, Schwartzxz said:

one thing I like more about RDR1 is the western feeling it has. I know why RDR2 doesnt have it but I still dont like it.

You're correct, Redemption 2 doesn't have it because it's not a Western game by the usual standards. Does R* even call it a Western game? I don't remember reading anywhere where they mentioned it's one. The majority of the game takes place in the east, in states that are inspired by Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas and Missouri. These places are definitely not anywhere close to the west (i.e. Arizona, California, Utah and Nevada), or in other words, the states that have large proportion of deserts and arid mountains which are a typical scene in the Western pop culture. New Austin, which is majorly inspired by Western Texas and New Mexico I believe, is the only proper Western map in the whole Redemption universe. By actual standards, Redemption 2 is more of a Southern and Southeastern title than a Western and Southwestern one. 

 

Thematically, it can be considered Western, but geographically, no, unless we have different definitions of what West and East are. The music and original score follow the geography, and although the game still has some Western influence in this aspect, it's still mostly Southern inspired music, which contributes more to the non-Western feeling. I like it this way as R* does not repeat themselves. 

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