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Vladistar_895

RD1 vs RD2,who is better and why??

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GinsengElixir

Totally different games but can sit side by side. One day I'll play them back to back.

 

For me I prefer RDR1. With RDR2 I feel conflicted. It's either stunning or infuriating.  Off the top of my head this is why I prefer RDR

 

- It's tone was very consistent.

- It's themes were present but not told in an overbearing way.

- The story was as close to narrative perfection as I've seen in a game. Like GTA4, it takes you to new areas in a really expert way. From New Austin to Mexico to West Elizabeth, and the way it's missions take you to areas within those areas or states. It's also told in a very concise manner, whereas RDR2 is bloated as sh*t by the time it ends. Chapter 5 and 6 just drag on and on.

- Each area of the map feels very distinct, new and fresh. Loads of distinct places in New Austin alone, from Hennigens stead to Thieves landing to Armidillo. Then of course a whole new map in Mexico opens up. In RDR2 everywhere felt the same apart from Lemoyne, and we didn't even get to do anything in West Elizabeth or Tall trees before the epilogue. That said the level of detail on the map for RDR2 is insane. Unparalleled.

- We actually got a sense of how bad the gangs were, through what they said and did(like raping the women and mutilating a man at Ridgewood farm). The O'Driscolls and Lemoyne Raiders were weak antagonist gangs. I never saw what they really did to people, other than beat a guy up in Valentine. 

- The antagonists were actually quite fleshed out - Allende, De Santa, Dutch, Ross.....I couldn't really tell you who the antagonists were in RDR2, mostly just nameless, faceless goons. Milton obviously, who was a cardboard cutout preachy villain, Cornwall who we never learnt much about other than being a 'bad capitalist' intent on agressive expansion. Colm..meh, Bronte meh...Braithwaite women meh. Nothing central or compelling to fight against other than Dutch's stupidity. The difference with John is that we had to do all these things to see our family again. In RDR2 it was like...ok we need money to go and buy some land....but I don't want to live with these unlikeable lunatics and I feel no loyalty to them, I'm just told I should.

With John I felt the loneliness and longing but this is entirely subjective I know.

- Long way from home moment>Unshaken

 

Gameplay

- We didn't have to eat, bathe or clean our guns for very mild effects. I loved looking after my horse though...

- I never tired of the shooting gallery, even though it was overused. In RDR2 I reached my peak in chapter 4 and lost my patience in chapter 5. By chapter 6 I'd had enough of it entirely. With RDR the shootouts felt tight and realistic and with the right amount of enemies. 

- Bounties. Loved this aspect of RDR, not so much bothered by them in 2.

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Jutland

Haven’t played RDR but am idly thinking about doing so.

 

The issue though is that i’m not really a fan of spaghetti westerns, which is was why I never bought RDR in the first place. Having now read this thread, the ‘feel’ of RDR seems crucial to most people, and it is a the feel of a spaghetti western movie. People who like spaghetti westerns prefer RDR.

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Jimbatron

Both would make my top 10 games of all time without hesitation.

 

I have to say though, RDR2 has, in my opinion, a far more sophisticated story. RDR1's plot is enjoyable, but a bit linear. Encounter different groups of people, who you have to befriend or placate to catch up with your targets. It's a bit rinse and repeat up until the final 3rd. RDR2 on the other hand has tons of flesh out characters with very distinct and rich personalities. It is much more about the personal interactions between the gang and whilst if you've played the original you know who will definitely survive, there are various twists and turns that still keep you hooked.

 

Beyond the story, it's a newer game, so it's bigger with far more options and content. So I can comfortably put RDR2 ahead as the better game.

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ThroatSlasher2

Hard to say honestly.

 

From my many playthroughs, Red Dead 2 is better but Red Dead 1 IS the tighter experience.

 

RDR2 has higher peaks than RDR1, but it also has the lowest lows. I never once, in 9 years of playing Red Dead Redemption, thought to myself : "Wow! Now THAT is badly designed." Everything kinda falls into place very neatly into an amazing, cohesive experience. Red Dead 2 however, holy sh*t, the amount of times where I just have to put the controller down to keep myself from throwing it straight through the wall is staggering. 

 

The game suffers from the same awful Rockstar Philosophy that we saw in GTA V. Lots of enticing, eye catching glitters, but the actual mechanics of the game are lackluster as f*ck for the most part. After only a year since release, I feel like RDR2 has aged a lot. Whereas RDR1, (while it's obviously aged because it's on last-gen) still holds up very well and is more than what you'd expect from a 2010 title.

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GroveStGTAV

Rdr1 has awesome ambient musics. It plays even in towns or on foot. It gives us more hypte to play as cowboy. 

But rdr2s ambient musics playing rare and just on horse

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Ironside

RDR2 is the better and more enjoyable game as it is. RDR was better compared to the time it was released as it was way beyond other games in so much. 
 

I prefer RDR2 because of more or less everything but I do hate that we do not get access to 30% of the map until the epilogue. It really feels like a wasted opportunity to make a great game even better. I am also no fan of the online part of RDR2 but still, RDR2 is for me today way more enjoyable than RDR. 

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BoulderFaceplant

RDR2 has generally superior gameplay mechanics. That being said, the missions in the first RDR are more enjoyable.

 

Both stories have missed opportunities and writing slip-ups. Why don’t we get to see John’s guilt over some of the awful things he has to do in Mexico to find Javier? Why is he threatening to hurt Ross in every other cutscene of the 3rd act when he should really be kissing the man’s ass to save his family? (Seriously, this really stood out to me when I played it again earlier this year. Ross would’ve been a lot more effective as a villain if John treated him with courtesy and patience, only for Ross to backstab and shoot him down.) 

 

As for RDR2, Micah represents a bigger missed opportunity than anything I mentioned. And why does every single plan always end in tragedy? Can’t we have one scheme that illustrates why the gang trusts Dutch to begin with? 

 

RDR’s music more or less obliterates that of RDR2. I’m sorry, it’s not even close. 

 

Both SP stories suffer from a lack of player choice at pivotal plot moments. Why can’t we have any say in whether Jack executes Ross? Why can’t we choose not to go after Micah?

 

I would be over the moon for a remake of RDR that fixes these issues. And even if it doesn’t, at least it would have the RDR2 gameplay mechanics, mixed with the superior missions and music of RDR. 

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Alexlecj
3 hours ago, BoulderFaceplant said:

RDR’s music more or less obliterates that of RDR2. I’m sorry, it’s not even close.

 

I wholeheartedly disagrees with that statement.

 

RDR has great music, but it lacks variety and momentum compared to RDR2's score.

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Xerukal

I think the reason people hold RDR1's music in higher regard is most likely due to there being more of a classic western influence on its combat/adventure tracks. I'm talking about tracks like Horseplay, The Outlaw's Return, Triggernometry. 

 

RDR2's musical focus is more on lyrical tracks that evoke very specific feelings during missions. And the original tracks that are composed by Woody Jackson seem to be used sparingly, and some of them are quite thematically slow, too.

 

I do miss some of those really cool combat tracks from the first game. But at the same time... RDR2 has THIS track, which is just incredible. 

 

 

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JMarston
On 11/1/2019 at 7:59 AM, Xerukal said:

I think the reason people hold RDR1's music in higher regard is most likely due to there being more of a classic western influence on its combat/adventure tracks. I'm talking about tracks like Horseplay, The Outlaw's Return, Triggernometry. 

 

RDR2's musical focus is more on lyrical tracks that evoke very specific feelings during missions. And the original tracks that are composed by Woody Jackson seem to be used sparingly, and some of them are quite thematically slow, too.

 

I do miss some of those really cool combat tracks from the first game. But at the same time... RDR2 has THIS track, which is just incredible. 

 

 

And that at the same time is a variation / remix of the RDR theme. In fact all the music in the epilogue is from the original RDR.

On 31/10/2019 at 23:34, GroveStGTAV said:

Rdr1 tiene increíbles músicas ambientales. Se juega incluso en ciudades o a pie. Nos da más hipte para jugar como vaquero. 

Pero las músicas ambientales de rdr2 son raras y solo a caballo

In part that is because the game takes place in the east and the music lets you know.  The game itself does not feel like a true western because of that, except for specific moments.

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