RED DEAD ONLINE BETA: THE ROAD AHEAD (19/3/19)

[TiberiusMcQueen]

2 minutes ago, ghostsoap01 said:

Mostly it seems like a slight buff aimed at not being instantly killed in exchange for not being able to instantly kill. Aside from the "more features" part, it seems pretty clear. Free aim only and no insta kills, along with no gain in 'hostility' and potentially no bounty incurred for a defensive kill.

Yeah, I like the sound of the changes to the hostility system, we'll finally be able to defend ourselves without having to worry about being marked as hostile or getting a bounty, I hope they also take away the honor decrease we get.

[ghostsoap01]

2 minutes ago, TiberiusMcQueen said:

Yeah, I like the sound of the changes to the hostility system, we'll finally be able to defend ourselves without having to worry about being marked as hostile or getting a bounty, I hope they also take away the honor decrease we get.

As long as you get hit first. It would be better imo if a player shot near you (admittedly this might not be so easy to implement), this way you wouldn't start defending yourself at a disadvantage.

[ALifeOfMisery]

3 minutes ago, Volganor said:

Now I'm just wondering how long will it take for loopholes to these mechanics to be found and effectively render them useless, like how the whole concept of Passive Mode was weaponized in GTA Online.

Worst case scenario will be a low or nonexistent cool down when switching between offensive and defensive. Which will be completely unacceptable.

[Smokewood]

offensive and defensive mode is stupid...

Just give us friendly lobbies...

 

overall = meh

[areyouchappin]

The LeMat Revolver is coming much sooner than I anticipated, it will probably cost a lot but I'm willing to pay the price.

[Volganor]

1 minute ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

Worst case scenario will be a low or nonexistent cool down when switching between offensive and defensive. Which will be completely unacceptable.

Absolutely.

 

Don't take me wrong, though. I like the idea and it's certainly a nice addition to the game and would allow people that want to play with others some sort of defence without having to completely isolate themselves in closed-off sessions. However, it is no substitute for lobby choice.

 

My hopes for this situation, since I would like to experience this game if it ever comes to PC, is that this is just placeholder while the "beta" denomination is carried and that said lobby options will be introduced later, once it comes out of it.

[ALifeOfMisery]

3 minutes ago, areyouchappin said:

The LeMat Revolver is coming much sooner than I anticipated, it will probably cost a lot but I'm willing to pay the price.

I'll be dual wielding on release day, take my money.

[P.T.]

39 minutes ago, Shane_Dbns said:

Nvm. I read free aim and I was happy for a moment. Curse you Rockstar

 

 

Yeah i am almost certain they added that just to tease some of us who have been asking for free aim lobbies. Still does nothing to negate the fact that people can use those stupid cards in showdown series, or the fact we can not play in free aim only showdown series.

 

Also , for those who have forgot, this "major" update wont be coming until about the end of May , start of June. They said "LATE" Spring. Spring does not end until june and if you have followed rockstar for more than a year, you know they almost always drag things out until the last day of a season they claim they are giving us something. So thats a long wait for some mehhhh stuff imo.

 

They really dont want this thing to take off do they ?

[Saiyam]

When do you guys expect R* to release this update? If I have to take a guess I think it has to be May 

[ALifeOfMisery]

1 minute ago, Volganor said:

However, it is no substitute for lobby choice.

It isn't, and never truly will be.

 

I'm at the point now where I really wanted a top quality Porterhouse steak, but I've been waiting for so long, I'll make do with a Big Mac and all the self loathing that comes with that kind of compromise.

[grandtheftbanksy]

The LeMat revolver.  Hells yeah!  

[ghostsoap01]

9 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

I'll be dual wielding on release day, take my money.

I'll be doing the same if the High Powered bureau agent pistols are ever added in.

7 minutes ago, Son of Dutch said:

When do you guys expect R* to release this update? If I have to take a guess I think it has to be May 

Late May would be my guess. June seems a bit excessive, but anything before May seems overly optimistic.

[raysis]

This is very great news! 

I cant wait for this to be added. The griefers use to suck, so when they cant lockon most of them are going to dissapear from the lobbies.

 

Since they mention the time is set back i hope we also going to meet Arthur, sadie, John and Dutch

[Shane_Dbns]

10 minutes ago, Son of Dutch said:

When do you guys expect R* to release this update? If I have to take a guess I think it has to be May 

If they go by their schedule of an update every 3 months, i'd say around late May/early June.

 

Would be nice if they tried for early May though.

[P.T.]

3 minutes ago, ghostsoap01 said:

I'll be doing the same if the High Powered bureau agent pistols are ever added in.

Late May would be my guess. June seems a bit excessive, but anything before May seems overly optimistic.

I would agree june would seem excessive but this is rockstar we are talking about. Who normally when they give us a time frame and use a season , its on the last day of that season. Look back at trailor releases and info drops. Pretty sure most ended up on the last day of the season.

 

The fact they said late spring, already tells me , its a long time from now , we are at the very begining of spring . 

 

Worst part to me is even what this "major" update seems to add is very little imo and not alot of what people have actually been asking for. So how long before real quality get added? Christmas? Just seems like a pretty lame way to go about this. I get it they claimed it was in "beta" but ive played alot of online games in beta and it was not half a year before they added a ton of things to make it feel like a full product and then added much more after. Rockstar is doing the opposite it seems . And from a company that has made so much money off GTA Online.... that is kind of sad really.

[ghostsoap01]

1 minute ago, raysis said:

The griefers use to suck, so when they cant lockon most of them are going to dissapear from the lobbies.

 

Since they mention the time is set back i hope we also going to meet Arthur, sadie, John and Dutch

On your first point: Let us hope you are right, because it does seem like it might be enough of a deterrent for the little ones .

 

As for your second point: That would be amazing.

[ALifeOfMisery]

13 minutes ago, Son of Dutch said:

When do you guys expect R* to release this update? If I have to take a guess I think it has to be May 

Mid to late May might fit well around the next GTAO update. @Fun 2 doesn't think GTAO will get its usual filler update this month.

 

GTAO update in April, RDO update in May? Sounds reasonable.

[ghostsoap01]

2 minutes ago, P.T. said:

I get it they claimed it was in "beta" but ive played alot of online games in beta and it was not half a year before they added a ton of things to make it feel like a full product and then added much more after. Rockstar is doing the opposite it seems .

 

Yeah the beta excuse at this point is laughable. Dripfeeding and MTX, but no frequent fixes. Should be the opposite. Most betas get patches every few weeks, but here we are getting one every 3 or so months (and they don't even address the real bugs or issues!)

[Bully2comingsoon]

So basically I still get my private session while getting to see all the action of a public session. Sounds like popcorn time to me.

[VulcanFanatic]

Maybe private lobbies will be in the game when it's comes out of beta, maybe they won't. But I will bet that if they don't have private lobbies and the player numbers tank, I bet private lobbies will show up anyway. The only thing companies seem to understand anymore is money. If the player numbers tank and the money dries up, they will put what players want in the game to draw them back. If you want private lobbies like I do, stop playing the game and keep submitting feedback to Rockstar. They will eventually turn around and put private lobbies in if player numbers tank.

Edited March 19, 2019 by VulcanFanatic

[Shadowfennekin]

More A Land of Opportunities Missions: continue Jessica LeClerk’s search for revenge as you explore the path of a Gunslinger or an Outlaw
New Free Roam Mission givers and mission types: Red Dead Online is set in the years before the single player story so expect to encounter a range of new and familiar faces as you traverse the frontier

 

Already better than this sh*tty update! New PvE sh*t, all I wanted!

[Fatsanchez]

DYNAMIC EVENTS f*ck YES.

 

Also I’m glad I didnt buy the Schofield lol

[UncleTacitus]

Story missions and dynamic events sound good, just as does the Defensive play. But sadly, still no word of properties. I don't think I'll be returning before I get to buy my own farm!

[ALifeOfMisery]

Post specific to this week's event is also now up

 

[P.T.]

1 hour ago, ghostsoap01 said:

My guess is some higher up (Imran Sarwar maybe) who has a specific vision of what they think an online game is, and will not budge on their vision, forcing the devs to come up with other ideas. This, to me, is further suggested by the fact that the lobby types were in the game pre-launch and then removed for launch. I think some devs made the lobby types, and some exec ordered it cut out.

 

Im just curious where you got this info that lobby types were in the game pre launch ? i do not recall hearing that anywhere. 

 

However , as i said in another place in forums, the only way i can understand them not having them is if someone higher up in company told them they were not going to allow seperate lobbies and told the devs to figure out a system that could "cater" to people of each type.  I recall them saying before hand they wanted to not split up the player base, so its looking like cutting free aim lobbies is their answer. But i have some bad news for them ,this bandaid will not work as they hope.

 

Many of us who want FA , might try to struggle thru this auto aim bs . But the fact is its not fun, even when we are the ones killing others with auto headshots.Its not fun because there is no skill involved and we prefer more of a realistic feel and challenge. Its like trying to make adults play on a playground built for little kids. You might try it , but there will be nothing that keeps you there when there are so many other adult places to play ( other games) .Thus this will see the player numbers on average be lower than they would be if they simply added the other options. Thus they are losing out on many more users who might would play the game on the regular , thus upping the % chance of some of those spending money on micros. There is no way around it  , more players playing the game on a regular basis raises the % chances of more money being spent on micros ( which is their goal in this but they are going about it all wrong and over thinking it).

 

Not to mention the dev time being lost working on these systems they are basically starting from scratch , when they could simply add in the lobby types ( already built it seems) and spend this time on adding more content and fixing more bugs and issues. That is the real kicker to me . 

 

Why is this so hard for them to understand is what i do not get. I wish the devs would stand up and speak up . 

[Nerfgoth]

So Yay to the Gator Hat

 

Nay to the new system, as a very minding my own business playstyle I got the feeling that I have a lot dynamit throwing and dynamit arrows coming my way!

 

And a second yay to more PvE!

[P.T.]

19 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

Post specific to this week's event is also now up

 

This is like one of my suggestions ive gave them about "hunting" type of events. 

 

It would be cool to have a 3 day event. Where they select what type of animal it is. You have to hunt and kill or fish for selected animal , then once you kill it you would have to take it to the butcher to be "registered" for the event. Largest one at the end of 3 days wins . 

 

 

[Happy Hunter]

This sounds like an absolute disaster. The whole point of the blips, the anti-griefing measures - was so that we wouldn't have to put up with the cancerous passive mode system. People turning invincible, then flickering it off when your back's turned.

 

Now they're adding a Passive Mode MKII where you can shoot people while still in it?

 

Sounds so, so convoluted too. It'll be f*cking ripe for abuse.

 

The only saving grace is I don't know how it works, because they've made it so complex. If I'm wrong, good. If I'm reading it right, and this is passive mode MKII, then I'm out.

[YNNEL]

The game is certainly heading in the right direction so let’s give Rockstar some praise lol

[ghostsoap01]

7 minutes ago, P.T. said:

Im just curious where you got this info that lobby types were in the game pre launch ? i do not recall hearing that anywhere. 

 

I believe @Fun 2 found it, and posted about it somewhere.