GTA V - then vs now, what changed since day one?

[Lordani_66]

This question arose in my head yesterday - what were the differences between the day one release of GTA V for X360 and PS3 and later updates of this game. Now, I am not talking about last gen vs current gen enhancements, we can watch for example THIS VIDEO to get the general idea. I am talking about the very first version of GTA V we got vs what we had later. For example:

 

The above is a picture from the same place in Vespucci Beach (just from 2 different sides). As you can see the sculpture is different in the first picture than on the second. It's because the first one's real life Autor did not liked that R* put their creation into their own game and made them change it just after a few days after the game was released on PS3/X360 so this is now it looks now (below). If you think that it looks ugly, then you are right. R* apparently made the new sculpture look ugly on purpouse to kinda make fun of the angry artists who made them change it, calling their sculpture UGLY this way. Typical R*.

 

But I wonder, what are the other changes since day one? Maybe some cut music? Maybe some HUD changes? Altered animations? I know that there must be more! Post ITT if you come up with something new.

THIS IS NOT A BETA HUNT!

THIS IS NOT A COMPARISON BETWEEN RELEASE VERSION AND ENHANCED VERSION!
CHANGES DONE AFTER RELEASE OF ENHANCED VERSION ALSO APPLY!
CHANGES TO ONLINE MODE DON'T APPLY! WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT SP HERE.

If someone has PS3/X360 and can play the game without any patches and look for some differences, that would be highly appreciated. I would totally do that myself but I don't have a last gen console anymore.

Edited March 13, 2019 by Lordani_66

[Ondr4H]

I only found one thing.

On next gen if you shoot at police car, they will shoot back.
On oldgen they does nothing...

[Lordani_66]

There's another one I recalled. The bars in the car mods shops weren't divided into 5 separate parts:

 

 

I remember that on the initial release I hated how it was because I couldn't compare modded cars, it was difficult to do so just by looking at those bars, especially when in Ammunation you had those separation as seen on the right. They patched it rather quickly too.

[Lordani_66]

I just recalled that the Confederate Flag was swapped with American Flag in a few places.

 

Here's an example of a swapped flag.

 

Here's an example of confederate flag staying intact.

[6fangedcutthroatTV]

I'm pretty sure the confederate flag photos are both from the same version of the game. Neat thread, will like to see what you all find.

[Lordani_66]

On 3/16/2019 at 2:50 AM, HelloMyNameIsHuman said:

I'm pretty sure the confederate flag photos are both from the same version of the game. Neat thread, will like to see what you all find.

What do you mean they are from the same version? As in both are from Next Gen? Yes, that's correct, because that's what the thread is about. Finding changes that PATCHES did to the same game version/edition. Not changes between Last Gen and Current Gen versions, I stated that clearly in my OP.

 

THIS IS NOT A BETA HUNT!

THIS IS NOT A COMPARISON BETWEEN RELEASE VERSION AND ENHANCED VERSION!
CHANGES DONE AFTER RELEASE OF ENHANCED VERSION ALSO APPLY!
CHANGES TO ONLINE MODE DON'T APPLY! WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT SP HERE.

 

Edit 03/19/19: I think I found another one, but I am not sure whether this one is a change they done in a single version of the game with patches, or if it's a beta thing, or if it was done during  the development of Next Gen (currently - Current Gen) version, the hockey mask was different:

 

 

Can anyone give some info on this?

Edited March 19, 2019 by Lordani_66
Added new changed feature.

[6fangedcutthroatTV]

On 3/16/2019 at 6:24 AM, Lordani_66 said:

What do you mean they are from the same version? As in both are from Next Gen? Yes, that's correct, because that's what the thread is about. Finding changes that PATCHES did to the same game version/edition. Not changes between Last Gen and Current Gen versions, I stated that clearly in my OP.

 

I see, patches usually go right under my head, or in one ear and out the other. I did not mean any confusion. Thank you for letting me know.

Edited March 20, 2019 by HelloMyNameIsHuman

[HarryTVisitor]

I believe they changed how the e-brake works in next-gen. In the original version, you could hold X/A while driving to do an E-Brake, however now you must use R1/RB. 

This was probably done to make the car ducking mechanic easier to use.

[Yinepi]

Is anyone going to mention the physics? Updates have made some drastic changes to the physics engine, even in SP. The cars on the v1 of the enhanced version were very stiff and couldn't flip over smoothly and easily. Practically giving a glued-to-ground feel. The updates improved the physics allowing better weight transfer and easier and smoother flipping.

The same SuspensionForce, AntiRollBarForce, and RollCentreHeight values are still used on many of the cars since release, so the handling itself wasn't changed, but the way the engine reacts to these values have changed.

Edited March 21, 2019 by Yinepi

[TheSantader25]

After one of the recent updates Los Santos Customs asks you about being sure of exiting. In previous versions you would go out without a warning. 

Edited March 21, 2019 by TheSantader25

[Lordani_66]

18 hours ago, Yinepi said:

Is anyone going to mention the physics? Updates have made some drastic changes to the physics engine, even in SP. The cars on the v1 of the enhanced version were very stiff and couldn't flip over smoothly and easily. Practically giving a glued-to-ground feel. The updates improved the physics allowing better weight transfer and easier and smoother flipping.

The same SuspensionForce, AntiRollBarForce, and RollCentreHeight values are still used on many of the cars since release, so the handling itself wasn't changed, but the way the engine reacts to these values have changed.

Oh really? If that's the case then I didn't noticed it and would gladly see how it works. Can anyone with PS4/Xbox One check this by playing this game without updates vs playing with updates?

On 3/21/2019 at 12:08 AM, Sonicdude said:

I believe they changed how the e-brake works in next-gen. In the original version, you could hold X/A while driving to do an E-Brake, however now you must use R1/RB. 

This was probably done to make the car ducking mechanic easier to use.

Again, this is not a thread for that. Read the main post carefully.

[Ondr4H]

I also read somewhere on this forum, that lightning strikes and overall thunderstormes were toned down after few patches.

Same goes with car damage.

I dont have  oldgen to prove that.

[Lordani_66]

1 minute ago, Ondr4H said:

I also read somewhere on this forum, that lightning strikes and overall thunderstormes were toned down after few patches.

Same goes with car damage.

I dont have  oldgen to prove that.

All of these things intrigue me, gah, I wish I could see that.

[Ondr4H]

2 minutes ago, Lordani_66 said:

All of these things intrigue me, gah, I wish I could see that.

I think all these changes were made for better performance, even after GTA Online release.

[Ondr4H]

Also this is interesting topic BTW, I feel like oldgen(Especially 1.0) is complete different game.This shine even after Nextgen and PC release.

There were few youtubers that played on oldgen a lot.Carrythxd for example, he had many videos with police chases on oldgen(Fun with police) but he delete few of them.I do not why...

Edit-Also driving around map, that would by helpful...

Edited March 22, 2019 by Ondr4H

[Darealbandicoot]

On 3/16/2019 at 10:24 AM, Lordani_66 said:

What do you mean they are from the same version? As in both are from Next Gen? Yes, that's correct, because that's what the thread is about. Finding changes that PATCHES did to the same game version/edition. Not changes between Last Gen and Current Gen versions, I stated that clearly in my OP.

 

THIS IS NOT A BETA HUNT!

THIS IS NOT A COMPARISON BETWEEN RELEASE VERSION AND ENHANCED VERSION!
CHANGES DONE AFTER RELEASE OF ENHANCED VERSION ALSO APPLY!
CHANGES TO ONLINE MODE DON'T APPLY! WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT SP HERE.

 

Edit 03/19/19: I think I found another one, but I am not sure whether this one is a change they done in a single version of the game with patches, or if it's a beta thing, or if it was done during  the development of Next Gen (currently - Current Gen) version, the hockey mask was different:

 

 

Can anyone give some info on this?

Yep. They changed it in last gen and current gen either with festive surprise or the Heists update. Not sure which one exactly. 

[aJem]

I can't recall seeing plane trails in the sky at oldgen or even PC.

 

Played like 700 hours, saw them not that long time ago.

[Lordani_66]

1 hour ago, Darealbandicoot said:

Yep. They changed it in last gen and current gen either with festive surprise or the Heists update. Not sure which one exactly. 

That's a weird change then. Why not just make a new one. They (R*) almost never get rid of anything like that to make space for a similar item when it comes down to clothing updates.

[Ondr4H]

I dont know if that apply, but they made on Enhanced version explosion of vehicles after bad landing or high speed crash less random.


On oldgen your car(But police cars in chases most likely) explode after high speed crash to solid objects sometimes.On Enhanced I never see this.

Same goes with bad landings with vehicles,All these things were reworked.


DUMP truck less vulnerable to damage on enhanced version .

Edited March 23, 2019 by Ondr4H

[Ondr4H]

Another thing that is worse in enhanced edition.

 

Explosions of vehicles.Original version has brutal and epic explosions.Sadly enhanced toned down this alot.

 

Its something that I miss...

[Yinepi]

It's true they did tone down the bad landing explosions. on oldgen I remember cars would explode very often from the most minor touches to the rear. In the enhanced version it was toned down and I think the changes done to the physics in subsequent updates have reduced the probably of it even more. In my fully patched PC game I can't get a car to explode from a bad landing unless I try really hard, and it usually only happens if I hit the fuel tank just right.

I'd help demonstrate the changes done to the physics but I've only the PS3 and PC versions of the game and the PC is a super pain to downgrade.

Edited March 23, 2019 by Yinepi

[Lordani_66]

1 hour ago, Yinepi said:

It's true they did tone down the bad landing explosions. on oldgen I remember cars would explode very often from the most minor touches to the rear. In the enhanced version it was toned down and I think the changes done to the physics in subsequent updates have reduced the probably of it even more. In my fully patched PC game I can't get a car to explode from a bad landing unless I try really hard, and it usually only happens if I hit the fuel tank just right.

I'd help demonstrate the changes done to the physics but I've only the PS3 and PC versions of the game and the PC is a super pain to downgrade.

Well, a non-updated PS3 would be good I guess. Then you could compare it to PS3 updated, or curent PC. I know it would be a little against the topic but we would kinda get the overall idea of how it looked vs how it looks now.

[7th Ward Charizard]

damn, I kinda want to take a look now. you can play the PS3 version without updating right? 

[rollschuh2282]

at launch the Next gen versions had a lot more facial expressions in story mode for snapmatic.

after some update that number reduced.

 

GTASeriesVideos does still have a video of those expressions, and you can´t select them in the updated version anymore

[Lordani_66]

20 hours ago, BallinBallas said:

damn, I kinda want to take a look now. you can play the PS3 version without updating right? 

Yes. Just turn off the connection to the internet and have teh game completely uninstalled first so there are not updates (also preferably no saves etc.). I think there is a key combination that you have to do to delete any patches at least on X360.

[7th Ward Charizard]

bumping this thread as I just took out my old PS3 to play GTA V unpatched. It seems even playing offline that the replacement sculpture on Vespucci Beach is still in my game. makes me wonder how many copies actually still have it 

[Lordani_66]

6 minutes ago, BallinBallas said:

bumping this thread as I just took out my old PS3 to play GTA V unpatched. It seems even playing offline that the replacement sculpture on Vespucci Beach is still in my game. makes me wonder how many copies actually still have it 

Pretty sure that all of them, since they got patched out with downlaodable patches. I don't think R* ever made any re-release of the game with any updates, like they had to do with PS2 games. Either way, give us info if you find anything else.

You can try and check if car explosions from high falls happened more often indeed like some people here claimed. I don't really remember it that well.

[7th Ward Charizard]

12 minutes ago, Lordani_66 said:

Pretty sure that all of them, since they got patched out with downlaodable patches. I don't think R* ever made any re-release of the game with any updates, like they had to do with PS2 games. Either way, give us info if you find anything else.

You can try and check if car explosions from high falls happened more often indeed like some people here claimed. I don't really remember it that well.

Yeah, but shouldn’t it have still been available on a game untouched by patches? I got it on launch and distinctively remember the old statue. I’m going to test out different car impacts tonight though.

 

On 3/15/2019 at 7:23 AM, Lordani_66 said:

 

 

 

 Those are ones that have been removed or leftovers? I have a mix of American & Confederate flags in Stab City.

[Lordani_66]

7 minutes ago, BallinBallas said:

Yeah, but shouldn’t it have still been available on a game untouched by patches? I got it on launch and distinctively remember the old statue. I’m going to test out different car impacts tonight though.

Oh then you clearly still have the patches on your console/HDD. IDK how to delete them on PS3, because I had X360 and you had to uninstall the game, saves and do some key combination in main menu like LT,RT,A,A... whatever. Just look it up. Because it seems like you still have patches on your console.
I misunderstood you.

[7th Ward Charizard]

12 minutes ago, Lordani_66 said:

Oh then you clearly still have the patches on your console/HDD. IDK how to delete them on PS3, because I had X360 and you had to uninstall the game, saves and do some key combination in main menu like LT,RT,A,A... whatever. Just look it up. Because it seems like you still have patches on your console.
I misunderstood you.

reinstalling again. I’ve factory reset the console (barely use it anyway) so I’m not connected to the internet at all. If I still somehow have it then maybe it’s possible some copies may have had the patch? apparently the statue was removed around December ‘13 going by search results.