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rusbeckia
Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, ghostsoap01 said:

It says a lot about the docile nature of people when time comes to make a stand for something. People would rather not do anything about it because it means less effort, and then a few years pass and you find yourself in the state we are in now. We're in so deep at this point that most people accept it as a fact of life, bitter as it may be.

Dude, if you take yourself seriously and actually mean what you say, you should have stopped playing GTAO in 2016 and never started playing RDO. 

It‘s funny how all the anti-mtxers shout out for a boycott of games with mtx, but nevertheless ALL of them are playing r* games lol. 

If they are really such a big problem to you, don‘t support those companies. You‘re just about as good as the players you‘re demonizing for buying let‘s say the 6$ 25goldbar package they had in the beginning. 

As long as you didn‘t already stop playing because of mtx, i got only one word: hypocrite. (Doesn‘t apply only to you, but to all people giving them the sh*ts for mtx and still supporting the company)

 

And before that argument gets brought up: yes, you are supporting the game as an active member of the community. The only way the company will notice your criticism is if you stop playing online. 

 

EDIT: I‘m aware that mtx are a worrying path the gaming industry has taken, but unfortunately this is where things evolve to. It’s just the general evolution of capitalism, trying to monetize everything in our lives up to the tiniest bit. If you got a problem with that, stop playing video games of major companies at all, cause they’re to a big extent just another outgrowth of modern capitalism. 

Flaming mtx, the companies or even fellow players who don‘t have that big of a problem with it won‘t bring the nostalgia of „the good old days“ back. Those times are over unfortunately. If you want to make a difference and shove your opinion up their ass initiate a boycott and stop playing it. 

 

EDIT2: awaiting sh*tstorm.

Edited by rusbeckia

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Quadro

LOL @ people defending microtransactions. 

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rusbeckia
11 minutes ago, Quadro said:

LOL @ people defending microtransactions. 

LOL @ people flaming mtx and still playing the game.

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Quadro

TBH i never have played the game, nor the original - and its killed any hope of that with Micro transactions.

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ThaBirdCoot
Posted (edited)
17 minutes ago, Quadro said:

TBH i never have played the game, nor the original - and its killed any hope of that with Micro transactions.

Might as well write off future R* titles in general then, they are not going anywhere. Any huge game gonna have 'em. Focus is no longer primarily on SP, it's a hard pill to swallow but that's just how it is. 

 

 

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fryday
1 hour ago, rusbeckia said:

LOL @ people flaming mtx and still playing the game.

wow, my 3 years old nephew would argument like this...

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Pressure Drop
58 minutes ago, rusbeckia said:

LOL @ people flaming mtx and still playing the game.

 

It's not about microtransactions, if you properly read the replies to this thread. A lack of content and a phoney BETA tag. Nobody has anything against microtransactions, so long as they are not pay 2 win, or drip-fed, and are actually good quality items. MTX was never the main issue, open your eyes and look at the dismal state of affairs this game is in, R* can't even fix a bug without adding a new one, and their "updates" so far have been pathetic. They have 6 years of experience with GTA to lean back upon, and I will say it again, it is not acceptable for a company of this size to be so clueless.

 

People will always call that bullsh*t out, no matter how much you blindly love Rockstar for whatever reason.

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rusbeckia
17 minutes ago, fryday said:

wow, my 3 years old nephew would argument like this...

Do you have arguments too? 

Might as well quote the original post I‘m referring to too in that comment.

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Quadro said:

TBH i never have played the game, nor the original - and its killed any hope of that with Micro transactions.

I was in the same boat as you. I never played the original RDR 1. But even though there was gold store, this didn't stop me from getting over 250.00+ gold and lot of $ money to buy everything. I don't have any reason to buy paid gold with real money. It is possible to get whatever you want, simply by playing the game.

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ALifeOfMisery
Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, Ektope said:

It is possible to get whatever you want, simply by playing the game.

This is true.

 

I don't play any of the structured PvP modes and I've made more than enough gold from Stranger and Story missions, plus the gold giveaways, to customize all of my guns, get the silver Turkoman (my only premium currency horse) and buy some gold only clothing after I'd reached the required levels to unlock items.

 

Even playing only PvE modes the gold soon mounts up if you have the available time to play, if you're good at PvP it will come in even quicker.

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Rokushakubo
27 minutes ago, Ektope said:

It is possible to get whatever you want, simply by playing the game.

This. And mtx are there for people who don't have the necessary time needed to grind due to work/study/family/life to get things they want in order to give them a more satifactory experience with the limited time they have. 

 

 

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ghostsoap01
Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, rusbeckia said:

Dude, if you take yourself seriously and actually mean what you say, you should have stopped playing GTAO in 2016 and never started playing RDO. 

It‘s funny how all the anti-mtxers shout out for a boycott of games with mtx, but nevertheless ALL of them are playing r* games lol. 

If they are really such a big problem to you, don‘t support those companies. You‘re just about as good as the players you‘re demonizing for buying let‘s say the 6$ 25goldbar package they had in the beginning. 

As long as you didn‘t already stop playing because of mtx, i got only one word: hypocrite. (Doesn‘t apply only to you, but to all people giving them the sh*ts for mtx and still supporting the company)

 

And before that argument gets brought up: yes, you are supporting the game as an active member of the community. The only way the company will notice your criticism is if you stop playing online. 

 

EDIT: I‘m aware that mtx are a worrying path the gaming industry has taken, but unfortunately this is where things evolve to. It’s just the general evolution of capitalism, trying to monetize everything in our lives up to the tiniest bit. If you got a problem with that, stop playing video games of major companies at all, cause they’re to a big extent just another outgrowth of modern capitalism. 

Flaming mtx, the companies or even fellow players who don‘t have that big of a problem with it won‘t bring the nostalgia of „the good old days“ back. Those times are over unfortunately. If you want to make a difference and shove your opinion up their ass initiate a boycott and stop playing it. 

 

EDIT2: awaiting sh*tstorm.

No sh*tstorm, just a few points. Firstly, I never said I wasn't responsible for contributing to the state of gaming, I merely noted how unfortunate it is. Secondly I never demonized anyone, I simply made an observation about how we as humans tend to not do anything when faced with such a large force as a bunch of corporations. So am I a hypocrite? Probably, but that doesn't mean I have no right to look around and say what I see.

 

This whole thing about chalking it up to be just an inevitability only leads us further down this path you know (and thats my point with my original post here, most of us including me will not end up doing anything about it and that really is unfortunate).

 

That is all.

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elfoam
9 hours ago, Quadro said:

LOL @ people defending microtransactions. 

Same idiots that let the local council/government walk all over them, same idiots that say nothing when a big multinational wants to drill oil at your favourtite beach. I'm very proud to be one of the few brave enough to make a stand on these kind of occasions. The world would be a much better place if it was more than a handful making a stand.

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Cheesy_wotsit
Posted (edited)
18 hours ago, Van_Hellsing said:

I played gtao to the death. I was unhappy with the direction gtao has taken. Flying cars, ray guns and pay walls. So I retired. 

 

The current state of RDR2O is a disappointment, but I see the potential. There's no real alternative. Only Rockstar can pull an open world this big off. It's not certain that Rockstar will actually turn this ship around. 

 

Everybody was screaming "I am bored" and  "I am leaving". I stayed on to level up and to unlock stuff. Part of the fun is to beat the system without microtransactions. 

 

I am starting to enjoy the daily objectives in a odd way. I do hate pvp challenges, like kill 5 players with a Mauser. So many smucks volunteered, so I might as well kill them in succession with the Mauser. 

 

RDR2 Online is far from perfect. The crashes and the push towards mtx gives me a bad taste. If Rockstar can fix the shortcomings RDR2 online can be great. 

The issue is that GTAO was never going to go in that direction, the early game had a much better laid out roadmap it was only when they saw the dollar signs that the game went in the final direction it did and like yourself is the reason why I quit playing. The issue is that GTAO had that small grace period where Rcokstar were not money blind, RDR2 doesn't have that. Anyone who thinks that RDR2 will be better than GTAO is deluding themselves. The only thing that prevents them going full retard, as was the case with GTAO, is that the setting doesn't really allow it. Then again if Rcokstar can shove an over priced flying robot in to the game and charge stupid money for it I am sure they will try but the reality they will just turn basic survial materials in to a stupid grindfest which, in some respects, is even worse than what happened with GTAO.

 

Let me just add that I did buy GTA5, twice in fact and I stuck to the game for 3 years, a lot longer than I sensably should have. I also very much want to give RDR2 a try but having watched Rcokstar destroy GTAO, take so much potential and throw it down a freshly shat in crapper while not actually fixing ANY of the long standing game issue, the broke as f*ck from day one catch up in racing for example, all in the pursuit of the mighty doilar well, I can't support the type of developer Rcokstar have become so have not yet bought RDR2.

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TheShift

People will spend money on what they enjoy.

As long as the mtx doesn't give you the upper hand in a game

There is no argument 

I bought a 38 thousand dollar Jeep ... and spent another 10 thousand (mtx) on upgrades ...ie bumpers tires lift..

 

It's the same concept 

But you kids are arguing over a 60 game lol and someone spending maybe another 100 on goodies 

 

People are going to spend money on what they enjoy

If your broke as a joke..maybe stop playing keyboard warrior and crawl out of your mom's basement and get a job 

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HockeyMike24

The reason I stopped playing online after the first 3 weeks was because I just wasn't having fun and the updates only seem to be geared towards pushing more sales of gold bars. I want more content like being able to do 30+ coop missions or robbing banks with friends. I really don't care about buying stuff like new hats or coats and that's what R* is focused on.

 

Sure, it's in "beta" right now. But even if they do drastically improve the online I probably won't even come back to it at this point. I've moved on to other games.

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D9fred95
12 hours ago, Quadro said:

TBH i never have played the game, nor the original - and its killed any hope of that with Micro transactions.

RDR multiplayer in the original was pretty good, makes me depressed at what happened to GTAO and RDO.

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Cheesy_wotsit
Posted (edited)
23 hours ago, TheShift said:

People will spend money on what they enjoy.

As long as the mtx doesn't give you the upper hand in a game

There is no argument 

I bought a 38 thousand dollar Jeep ... and spent another 10 thousand (mtx) on upgrades ...ie bumpers tires lift..

 

It's the same concept 

But you kids are arguing over a 60 game lol and someone spending maybe another 100 on goodies 

 

People are going to spend money on what they enjoy

If your broke as a joke..maybe stop playing keyboard warrior and crawl out of your mom's basement and get a job  

Yeah no one cares you bought a cheap Jeep and spent some more money to turn it in to a slightly less cheap Jeep. Compromising the design, gameplay, mechanics, balance, content, stability and functionality of your game in favour of cramming it full of money generating MTX is not the same thing, I seriously hope you aren't daft enough that you need a more detailed explanation as to why that is the case... then again you did spend nearly $50,000 on a Jeep so I don't hold out much hope.

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Foxwolfe

Wow you're literally proving his point.

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Rocket-74

I genuinely curious about something here. If so many of you in this thread have left the game, and will never return, why are you still watching this site. This site is dedicated to GTA and RDR, if you have left both games in disgust, and hate R* so much, and have now moved on to other games, why stay here? I can only assume that you either all do still care about the game, and are probably still playing despite your protests, or you're just keyboard warriors who love trolling sites like this to have a whinge.

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Lonely-Martin
Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, Rocket-74 said:

I genuinely curious about something here. If so many of you in this thread have left the game, and will never return, why are you still watching this site. This site is dedicated to GTA and RDR, if you have left both games in disgust, and hate R* so much, and have now moved on to other games, why stay here? I can only assume that you either all do still care about the game, and are probably still playing despite your protests, or you're just keyboard warriors who love trolling sites like this to have a whinge.

I'm awaiting news either way regarding sessions, until then, just learning what I can of the game too.

 

Still play GTA:O and RDR2 so to pop over here for a look isn't that far fetched, plus I enjoy the community feel that some show. Granted, there's many that look to mock or belittle others, like you with that 'keyboard warrior' bollocks, lol. ;)

 

No harm in chatting away. :)

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TheShift
1 hour ago, Foxwolfe said:

Wow you're literally proving his point.

😉

 

Fact is that was just an example.

That happened in 2010.

Jeeps been paid off a few years and can resell for 28k..

 

Kids... they will never understand 

 

It was actually a bad example 

Where as Red Dead Onlines mtx has no advantage for game play

My lift and tires give me a huge advantage off roading 😂

 

 

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Cheesy_wotsit
3 hours ago, TheShift said:

😉

 

Fact is that was just an example.

That happened in 2010.

Jeeps been paid off a few years and can resell for 28k..

 

Kids... they will never understand 

 

It was actually a bad example 

Where as Red Dead Onlines mtx has no advantage for game play

My lift and tires give me a huge advantage off roading 😂

 

 

Yeah fact is it was a crap example since the comparison utterly missed the minutiae detail of why MTX in games are not the same as added extras to a new car but then again a 9 year old Jeep selling for over 55% of it's original purchase price, not sure which is the bigger BS here the comparison of added extras on cars to in videogame MTXes or the resale price of your mystery bragging Jeep.

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Van_Hellsing
4 hours ago, Rocket-74 said:

I genuinely curious about something here. If so many of you in this thread have left the game, and will never return, why are you still watching this site. This site is dedicated to GTA and RDR, if you have left both games in disgust, and hate R* so much, and have now moved on to other games, why stay here? I can only assume that you either all do still care about the game, and are probably still playing despite your protests, or you're just keyboard warriors who love trolling sites like this to have a whinge.

I have put gtao on the back burner. For my feeling, I have beaten gtao. I retired with 120 million gta$. And I got the bloody t-shirt. 

 

I stay on RDR2 online, because there is no real alternative. Part of the fun is to beat the system, without buying gold. I will hit level 100 soon and have most stuff I want. 

 

And there's a limitless supply of griefers to troll. I set myself micro challenges. Like earn $100, burn a few griefers to a crisp, get a certain daily objective, catch a big fish. Enough to do. 

 

The more players leave, the better. You get dumped in a session with the most players in a certain area. I suspect that the ping rate is secondary. So less players is a better connection. 

 

The bitchin' and moaning is due to Rockstar butchering its goose with the golden eggs. T2 is trying to turn players into payers with some sleezy tactics. It is the future of gaming, I suppose. 

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TheShift
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Cheesy_wotsit said:

Yeah fact is it was a crap example since the comparison utterly missed the minutiae detail of why MTX in games are not the same as added extras to a new car but then again a 9 year old Jeep selling for over 55% of it's original purchase price, not sure which is the bigger BS here the comparison of added extras on cars to in videogame MTXes or the resale price of your mystery bragging Jeep.

Obviuolsy you don't know jeeps have he highest resale value on the market.

Do yourself a favor and google a 2010 4 door jeep.. 6 inch lift 35 inch nittos. ..lots of custom upgrades including bumpers and stereo ...with under 100k miles

 

Then come prove your point.

 

https://www.carmax.com/car/17086539

Here's an 09..way more miles than mine...and stock (yuk)

And

https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-resale-value-awards/best-resale-top-10-cars/

 

I don't need to say more..

Here she is in her summer outfit

(Yes those are skull rims)

https://twitter.com/41stTheShift/status/1104586569669857280?s=19

 

Back on topic.. 

 

Some games yes mtx has ruined it.

Fortunately RDO isn't one of them 

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Mad-Monkey_1st
Posted (edited)
13 hours ago, Rocket-74 said:

I genuinely curious about something here. If so many of you in this thread have left the game, and will never return, why are you still watching this site. This site is dedicated to GTA and RDR, if you have left both games in disgust, and hate R* so much, and have now moved on to other games, why stay here? I can only assume that you either all do still care about the game, and are probably still playing despite your protests, or you're just keyboard warriors who love trolling sites like this to have a whinge.

I havent played now for 4 days and still visit here as my interest is still there but my friends have all but given up on the game now. I reckon have the posters on here dont even play the the game they just like to jump on the hype wagon to slag it off.

 

Im hoping R* do pull something out the bag as soon as possible as i love the game and the potential i see is massive for role paying but we will see. I unfortunately may have burnt myself out with the huge amount of hours ive put into the game reaching level 135 with over $35000 earnt and spent just doing stranger and hunting as i dont do PVP so i have gone the quick way either (showdown, gunrush etc) 

13 hours ago, Rocket-74 said:

I genuinely curious about something here. If so many of you in this thread have left the game, and will never return, why are you still watching this site. This site is dedicated to GTA and RDR, if you have left both games in disgust, and hate R* so much, and have now moved on to other games, why stay here? I can only assume that you either all do still care about the game, and are probably still playing despite your protests, or you're just keyboard warriors who love trolling sites like this to have a whinge.

 

 

After putting in a minimum of 10 hours per real life day since launch 

 

I used to run with at least 2 x 7 man posses in our lobby but over the last 4 to 6 weeks they have all but stopped playing so we are now down to 2 or 3 friends that come on for a couple hours every other day or two. Im really missing it but cant seem to find the stuff to do when on my own as my style of hunting has been all but nuked 

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Chrismads

Is it Ubisoft employees that creates these topics?

Negative titles and OP never participate in the debate.

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Assblaster
5 hours ago, GTP_Monkey said:

I unfortunately may have burnt myself out with the huge amount of hours ive put into the game reaching level 135 with over $35000 earnt and spent just doing stranger and hunting as i dont do PVP so i have gone the quick way either (showdown, gunrush etc) 

And it pains me to say im now not playing for the last 4 days.

Wow that's a lot of money and leveling! My old lady is b*tching that I play it too much, I just can't get enough lately. I've cut out my other hobbies and games to focus on this one at this point. I'm sorry you're not into it as much; I'm the opposite, I'm into the game a lot more now. 

 

I do a little pvp daily, strictly for the gold and xp. The real fun for me is getting into the character and eking out a living in this era I love so much. Really sucks me into the time period. I take my time with it and try to do all the little things the character would do in life, e.g. stopping a lot to smoke and drink, have a bite here and there, do his chores (hunting, fishing, and herb-gathering to make tonics), visit his cabins to get the stuff he needs (mainly booze, cigars & cigarettes), stop -- often -- at the saloon to soak in the booze and music, make occasional trips outta town (to hunt bandits & bushwackers, but also to visit spots he usually doesn't travel to, usually to role-play that he's there to visit an old friend NPC or to deal with some troublemakers). Oh yeah, and to do some cattle-rustlin' (for meat he both cooks & sells). And sometimes I just ride the horse, taking in the scenery.

 

This really keeps me occupied and entertained. I feel as if I have to log on everyday to tend to the affairs of his life lol. Sounds a little crazy, but a little crazy in life is a lotta fun sometimes. 

 

Game is far from dead for me. I hope you get your enthusiasm back so you can get back in the saddle again. 😉

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To me, as long as the game is working it’s far from dead to me. A month or so ago the stranger missions wouldn’t work, and wildlife was nowhere to be found. At that point I felt there was no use to get on, for obvious reasons.

 

But now most missions seem to be working again, wildlife is back to what it was (albeit more nerfs to it money-wise which I find scummy - all the more reason for me to have taken part in the more shady types of money-making we’ve seen recently). Also, because of that, I don’t feel as much a need to grind at the moment as I’ve crossed a lot of stuff off my to-buy list.

 

But I really, really like being in this world. Exploring, breaking into houses, going places I haven’t previously explored properly. And I’m having fun with my few friends who haven’t moved on to other stuff.

 

I get bored doing the same thing over and over (like Bluewater Marsh hunting), but then I can just slowly ride through the world, doing nothing, and enjoy the hell out of it. It’s got plenty of good, but also plenty of bad.

 

About the bad: I don’t exactly have an issue with MTX per se. I even bought them for GTAO, mainly to show my appreciation for the game. I played it to death but didn’t pay anything more than the base price throughout the years - no reason for me to be a cheap bastard and enjoy it for years without giving R* anything for it. Not like I bought a Megolodon card every month either, but since 2013 I paid maybe $100 - roughly the equivalent of what I’d pay had they released games in that time.

 

But then they steered more and more into a direction which pushed bling and made gameplay grindy, as well as introduced silly, over-the-top vehicles which made every noob a potential griefer and ruiner of others sales. You all know the story.

 

And that’s mainly my problem at this point - I don’t have a problem with MTX, it’s a smart solution for making good revenue while keeping the playerbase united under one IP instead of purchasable DLC’s. It also makes it so that even if you don’t have a lot of cash lying around, you can still enjoy the game. That’s not saying I love MTX and 100% condone T2’s business model. It’s what they’re doing with it that I think is wrong.

 

Stop selling us superficial fluff and start making groundbreaking online gameplay that is fun and fair, rewarding, has a sense of progression, and expand on the roleplaying elements. If anyone has the capacity for it, it’s R*.

 

When I play this game I’m struck by how great and beautiful it is and at the same time depressed by the shallowness and repetitiveness of it all. And then all the bugs that are left unfixed while the Gold bar opened on, what, the 3rd week after Online released? A beta is an unfinished product - who introduces MTX to an unfinished product? The economy isn’t settled, and everything is still bugged more or less.

 

I enjoy it, but I would’ve expected a lot more from R* releasing a new Online IP in 2018. They’ve had years of experience from GTAV/O.

 

And then some people say: ”Look at GTAO in 2013, we really can’t compare RDO to today’s GTAO - GTAO was also barebones in 2013.”

 

That was 6 years ago. Are we going to expect that every new multiplayer IP going forward will have the same starting point as it did 6 years back? Should I have expected RDO to be as barebones as Quake 1 because that’s the starting point of an online game?

 

You wait 6 years for a game, you expect more. Primarily, you’d expect at least a bit more of a more visionary approach; an attempt, at the very least, to grasp something greater than that which has previously been.

 

There’s so much they could do, I guess we’ll see where they take it. But this lazy pushing of superficial bling for MTX has to go and they have to start caring about making good, groundbreaking online gameplay. That, I would pay them for.

 

Edit: Aw, sh*t, sorry about the wall of text

Edited by Dr.Rosenthal

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On 3/8/2019 at 6:24 PM, TheShift said:

People will spend money on what they enjoy.

As long as the mtx doesn't give you the upper hand in a game

There is no argument 

I bought a 38 thousand dollar Jeep ... and spent another 10 thousand (mtx) on upgrades ...ie bumpers tires lift..

 

It's the same concept 

But you kids are arguing over a 60 game lol and someone spending maybe another 100 on goodies 

 

People are going to spend money on what they enjoy

If your broke as a joke..maybe stop playing keyboard warrior and crawl out of your mom's basement and get a job 

 

You just demonstrated your incredible ignorance. To call the majority of posts in this thread "keyboard warriors" and then to have the audacity to use the cliche'd "moms basement" reference, and the age-old classic "get a job" just shows how unable you are to debate rationally and without baiting the other person. Part of being an adult is being able to hold a conversation without resorting to mindless and uneducated insults, and jumping to conclusions just to try and make your argument stronger.

It doesn't make your argument stronger, It just makes you look really stupid.

 

Have a rethink about how you approach conversations, because people are just going to dismiss you as the kid and you will not be taken seriously.

 

Also it's not about the prices - I could buy a £70 bunch of gold right now and buy every single thing in the game that cost gold if I wanted to. The issue is the quality of those items added, and the prices they are set at. Neither of those things make me want to spend my money, why would I throw my money away unnecessarily on absolute garbage that I have no interest in owning. As I said before, the quality of updates is not acceptable for a developer of this size, and the greed is clear to see.

 

Seems to me you just have some sort of "white knight" syndrome when you see a thread that is negative towards R* and instead of coming in with an intelligent response, you call everyone keyboard warriors and kids. Very mature of you.

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