Would Arthur have made it

[ShayD]

(STORY SPOILERS)

 

In an other scenario where Arthur had made it out of the gang and not caught TB, could he have lived (or tried to live) as John did, making a life for himself without getting involved in crime?

Would he have tried to settle down with Mary and start a family, maybe gotten a job or started a business? Would his life have played out just like John, being hunted or used by the pinkertons/government to hunt his old gang?

 

[The Jungz]

6 hours ago, ShayD said:

(STORY SPOILERS)

 

In an other scenario where Arthur had made it out of the gang and not caught TB, could he have lived (or tried to live) as John did, making a life for himself without getting involved in crime?

Would he have tried to settle down with Mary and start a family, maybe gotten a job or started a business? Would his life have played out just like John, being hunted or used by the pinkertons/government to hunt his old gang?

 

Unfortunately, I feel like it's the tuberculosis and his imminent impending death that permitted Arthur to finally see the light and think for himself. Had he not gotten sick, he might have followed Dutch till the end like Javier and Bill (at least for awhile).

 

As for him living a quiet life like John, maybe. It seems like a part of him has always accepted that he could only ever be an outlaw and a wanderer. At the same time, he clearly appreciated the father time he spent with his son Isaac and he does shows desire to escape when Mary pledges him to come with her and run away.

[happygrowls]

2 hours ago, ThroatSlasher2 said:

Unfortunately, I feel like it's the tuberculosis and his imminent impending death that permitted Arthur to finally see the light and think for himself. Had he not gotten sick, he might have followed Dutch till the end like Javier and Bill (at least for awhile).

I feel even before he had the confirmation of TB he was doubting Dutch, he and Hosea were both questioning Dutch when it came to Angelo and the bank job. I think camp relations would have been a bit better in Chapter 6 as Arthur wasn't horrendously sick, allowing Micah to torment and basically allow Dutch to see Arthur as weak and frail.

 

I imagine he would have still saved Marston, but as he had no TB killing him, he could have easily beaten up Micah in the Finale and probably convinced Dutch about him being a rat. Dutch either being too far gone to realize or he sees Micah as a rat.

 

The main reason Dutch didn't believe his Micah Rat accusations was because Arthur was sick and nearly dying, he wasn't the same Arthur he fathered, he was dying and Dutch couldn't believe it so he just tried shutting Arthur out, so far as to not evening saying a word to him when he died, just "I.." 

 

Hosea dying drove Dutch to insanity, especially the Guarma events as well, leading him to kill the Old Woman, and multiple others after Guarma without mercy.

[PapasHota]

Nah hes very submissive to Dutch.

[Leviath4n]

I think Arthur, without TB, would have realized who was really Dutch.

It was only a matter of time, i guess.

 

[HeyThereFriend]

Okay so this is an interesting thought. In Chapter 4 after Arthur and Mary go to the theatre, Mary gave a serious offer to run away with Arthur and he said he needed time and money. Arthur didn't know he had TB yet and he was starting to become a better man.

 

I think he would've done the train job, get John, Jack and Abigail out and then run and never look back. Maybe he would've tried and find Mary but maybe he would of just kept going.

 

I think the simple fact that he would've got far away from the area in which the Van der Linde gang got the most trouble in would assure his survival. It's been proven that moving far away is their key to survival. John left the New Hanover, New Austin region for 7 years and survived with his family. It was only his return that changed that.

 

We don't know how or where really where Sadie and Charles are. I think Sadie could still be alive after the events of RDR1 as long as her life as a bounty hunter didn't kill her and she did in fact go to South America. Charles said he was thinking about Canada and that might be within reach of the law since Javier was in Mexico and we saw how that turned out for him. However if I recall correctly the only reason they went after Javier is because Bill fled to Mexico. I might me remembering that wrong though.

 

I think had Arthur not of had TB he would've went looking for Mary or maybe just run far away.

[Gray-Hand]

Arthur was coming to the realisation as early as chapter 2 that the life the gang was trying to live was becoming impossible.  He talks about it several times.

 

by chapter 4 it is clear that he wants to leave the gang and it is only his sense of responsibility that is making him stay.  Dutch still would have gone insane after the st Denis heist and Arthur still would have lost all faith in his judgment and he would have left the gang after making sure as many of them as possible were safe.

 

I don’t think he could ever have settled down and run a ranch.  He needed the action.  He would have ended up as something like a bounty hunter, an enforcer/head of security for a rancher or someone like Bronte.  Conversely, I think he would have also had it in him to be a lawman.

[happygrowls]

An interesting idea I've been thinking about is if Arthur didn't have TB, he might have settled with Charlotte in the cabin, it was clear they were both kind of crushing on each other. Or he might have tried to be with Sadie's bounty hunting partner, Bounty Hunting seemed to be something he enjoyed if you did the missions as Arthur.

 

I don't think he would've had kids though, it's obvious Arthur has been suffering from depression since Issac and Eliza, he wouldn't want to go through that again, and I doubt Sadie would want to lose another family member after her Husband.

[TexasOdysseus]

Well, this is kind of the crux of the whole game, isn't it? Redemption.

 

Arthur was a smart guy, despite some of the self-deprecation he'd engage in. And he knew Dutch was losing it. The tone of the whole thing changed after Hosea. And Sean, I think. And the weight of regrets with Mary, among other things, sunk in. This is why this game is so brilliant--the character arcs are so well explored over time. So profound and well developed. God I love this game. 

[Hmmm nice bike]

Arthur would have definitely ditched Dutch sooner or later. He wasn't some idiot who would have blindly followed Dutch around (unlike Bill and Javier). He totally could have beaten the sh*t out of Micah and gotten out of there with John had he not been sick.

 

I think he would have either settled with Charlotte or found Mary again and ran off with her somewhere. From either of those points, who knows what he would have done after. I could see him bounty hunting with Sadie as much as I could see him working on a ranch like John. It'd depend on whether he wanted a somewhat safer life or if he felt that he was better suited for a more dangerous line of work.

[Cutter De Blanc]

He was always loyal to Dutch right up to the very end, even his last words, "I gave you everything I had"

 

I think he would have maybe ended up continuing to try to convince Dutch of the error of his ways, and end up getting killed in the process

[LorshZontek]

Even if arthur survived the pinkertens would hunt him down and kill him sooner or later just like with john 

[ShayD]

On 3/2/2019 at 3:36 AM, Gray-Hand said:

 Conversely, I think he would have also had it in him to be a lawman.

I was thinking this on my second playthrough, funnily enough. If he hadn't been a wanted man he would have made a great lawman, maybe even a pinkerton himself. He's smart, strong willed and loyal. But - at the same time if he wasn't wanted we wouldn't have a game to discuss. 

On 3/2/2019 at 12:58 AM, HeyThereFriend said:

Okay so this is an interesting thought. In Chapter 4 after Arthur and Mary go to the theatre, Mary gave a serious offer to run away with Arthur and he said he needed time and money. Arthur didn't know he had TB yet and he was starting to become a better man.

This is actually what I remembered that made me wonder about this in the first place. He seemed genuine. He wanted to go, to escape his life as an outlaw. His TB hadn't been diagnosed and it seemed to me that Mary was his main pull from the gang before he had TB. I know he considered his gang a family to him but it seemed he wanted something more, like he had with his previous wife.

[Leviath4n]

On 3/3/2019 at 0:24, LorshZontek said:

Incluso si Arthur sobreviviera, los Pinkertens lo perseguirían y lo matarían, tarde o temprano, como con John. 

Maybe he could become an agent of the law to have the favor of the authorities.

 

 

[Dan390]

right, like John in RDR1

55 minutes ago, Leviath4n said:

Maybe he could become an agent of the law to have the favor of the authorities.

 

 

right, like John in RDR1

[Leviath4n]

37 minutes ago, Dan390 said:

bien, como John en RDR1

bien, como John en RDR1

What I mean is that Arthur could be a sheriff or something like Sadie Adler, who is a bounty hunter and went unpunished.

about John, he was forced because Edgar Ross kidnapped his family.

I do not believe that a farmer is granted the same benefits as an agent of the law.

 

Ross also wanted another medal in his uniform

 

Sorry if I do not express myself well, English is not my native language and I have problems with grammar.

[LorshZontek]

2 hours ago, Leviath4n said:

What I mean is that Arthur could be a sheriff or something like Sadie Adler, who is a bounty hunter and went unpunished.

about John, he was forced because Edgar Ross kidnapped his family.

I do not believe that a farmer is granted the same benefits as an agent of the law.

 

Ross also wanted another medal in his uniform

 

Sorry if I do not express myself well, English is not my native language and I have problems with grammar.

the English isn't bad at all its quite good 

[Implicitly]

On 3/1/2019 at 1:09 PM, ThroatSlasher2 said:

Unfortunately, I feel like it's the tuberculosis and his imminent impending death that permitted Arthur to finally see the light and think for himself. Had he not gotten sick, he might have followed Dutch till the end like Javier and Bill (at least for awhile).

 

As for him living a quiet life like John, maybe. It seems like a part of him has always accepted that he could only ever be an outlaw and a wanderer. At the same time, he clearly appreciated the father time he spent with his son Isaac and he does shows desire to escape when Mary pledges him to come with her and run away.

Actually, by Chapter 4 when he had no idea he had T.B he realized Dutch was batsh*t insane and realized Dutch was full of sh*t. Even with T.B though, Arthur still cared for Dutch like family though and didn't want to hurt him, and stayed loyal, so regardless off T.B or not, he knew Dutch was full of sh*t without the T.B and was distancing himself, but he still will always care for the guy. So, him caring for Dutch would've probably gotten him killed, but then again, he was ready to leave, it's just his gang (which was his family) was far too important for him to just walk away.

 

Even from the beginning of the story, Arthur learns to be a better human being, the T.B narrative really pisses me off it was so unneeded. 

On 3/2/2019 at 7:00 PM, Cutter De Blanc said:

He was always loyal to Dutch right up to the very end, even his last words, "I gave you everything I had"

 

I think he would have maybe ended up continuing to try to convince Dutch of the error of his ways, and end up getting killed in the process

This is how I see it too. He cared way too much about Dutch and his gang members, this is why he couldn't work anything out with Mary (actually, same thing with Mary, she cared too much for her family than being with Arthur. Same thing.) He would've been loyal to the end regardless of T.B or not, but he really was distancing himself from all of it by Chapter 4 and wanted out, but still couldn't stop caring for Dutch, because he genuinely likes to help people, and Dutch was his family despite how dysfunctional and manipulative Dutch was and he was well aware. It was the same with John I think, like John at the end didn't want to harm Dutch if I'm remembering right? Cause he raised John. So, yeah, I think he would've gotten out of the gang life, and moved on but, if Dutch ever came around, he'd probably wound up dead, cause he cared too much for Dutch and his BS.

....

 

In general though, I always assumed he could've escaped with Sadie and then gone off somewhere hot and become a bounty hunter or some sort of sheriff. I don't ever believe the narrative of Arthur settling somewhere in a cabin with Charlotte, since he genuinely likes to constantly help people like the nun pointed out. It makes him feel better. Plus, the way the story was going it honestly seemed like they were painting a set up for Sadie and Arthur, like even when his gang abandoned him she kept telling him they don't need anyone else besides each other. So yeah, don't think she would've parted ways with him, or leave unlike the rest of the gang who wanted to branch out with their own lives. So yeah if he had lived, he'd be out there helping people and bounty hunting somewhere brand new some sort of fresh start with Sadie since he had a hit on his head.

Edited March 7, 2019 by Implicitly

[Kemasus]

On 3/2/2019 at 10:58 AM, happygrowls said:

An interesting idea I've been thinking about is if Arthur didn't have TB, he might have settled with Charlotte in the cabin, it was clear they were both kind of crushing on each other. Or he might have tried to be with Sadie's bounty hunting partner, Bounty Hunting seemed to be something he enjoyed if you did the missions as Arthur.

 

I don't think he would've had kids though, it's obvious Arthur has been suffering from depression since Issac and Eliza, he wouldn't want to go through that again, and I doubt Sadie would want to lose another family member after her Husband.

I tend to agree about Arthur and Charlotte. Even if Arthur didnt have TB, Charlotte came into his life at a time when things were really going sideways.....Charlotte represents a true second chance !