god speed Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 41 minutes ago, Aquamaniac said: Westin could have offered Franklin a lot of money for killing Trevor and possibly a high tier job at Merryweather, Franklin would be routhless enough for killing Trevor for this reason. I think Franklin is rather indifferent of Trevor. Why would Weston want Trevor instead of Michael dead though? I think his problem was with Michael's actions leading to Molly's death. 42 minutes ago, Aquamaniac said: I think Westin should have taken over Madrazzos part, do you want me to elaborate my thought on this? On the contrary, I personally would have preferred if Madrazo would have taken over Weston's part, but that would require a major rewrite of the whole story. The Mexican Cartel angle was underutilized and Trevor pacifying/pussyfying Madrazo was a huge waste of potential. It was also a shame the Sharmoota Job involving Mardazo's mansion was cut. TheSantader25 and captain jack sparrow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik0 Bellic Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Aquamaniac said: Well all GTA protagonists are bad guys. The problem is Franklin has no reason to kill Michael, at least not behalf of Westin. As I wrote, Steve/Norton could force Franklin into killing Michael since Michael might rat them out to the IAA, while Trevor has an intrinsic motive to possibly kill Michael he would not do so on behalf of Westin or the feds. Ending B is poor, both in terms of gameplay and logics, the car chase is much shorter as I remembered and the rest is lame, A has at least a decent car chase. Actually franklin is scared of some big people like trevor, michael or devin, being scared of someone may be a reason to kill some other one captain jack sparrow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaniac Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 minute ago, perennial said: Why would Weston want Trevor instead of Michael dead though? I think his problem was with Michael's actions leading to Molly's death. On the contrary, I personally would have preferred if Madrazo would have taken over Weston's part, but that would require a major rewrite of the whole story. The Mexican Cartel angle was underutilized and Trevor pacifying/pussyfying Madrazo was a huge waste of potential. It was also a shame the Sharmoota Job involving Mardazo's mansion was cut. Because of the Merryweather heist and the train robbery. This meant a huge financial loss for Weston, I never understood by Westin turned against Michael over a stupid movie - maybe anyone explains this to me? Of course the plot had to be slightly different then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain jack sparrow Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Aquamaniac said: Well all GTA protagonists are bad guys. The problem is Franklin has no reason to kill Michael, at least not behalf of Westin. As I wrote, Steve/Norton could force Franklin into killing Michael since Michael might rat them out to the IAA, while Trevor has an intrinsic motive to possibly kill Michael he would not do so on behalf of Westin or the feds. Ending B is poor, both in terms of gameplay and logics, the car chase is much shorter as I remembered and the rest is lame, A has at least a decent car chase. but michael was a selfish asshole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, captain jack sparrow said: but michael was a selfish asshole That's what the majority of criminals are. They aren't saints... Bratva Assassin, Montana Actual and Nik0 Bellic 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain jack sparrow Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 Just now, Zello said: That's what the majority of criminals are. They aren't saints... trevor franklin and michael were friends but michael was an asshole he should have cared especially for trevor(which he has bertrayed again another selfish action and no he did not just did it for his family he did it cause he did not cared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSantader25 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Devin holds Michael responsible for Molly's death. That's why he wants him dead. Also I don't think Devin knows that Trevor is the reason for all the destruction against Merryweather. Unless Steve tells him so but there's nothing in the story indicating that Devin knows about what Trevor has done to Merryweather. Montana Actual, Bratva Assassin, captain jack sparrow and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaniac Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Nik0 Bellic said: Actually franklin is scared of some big people like trevor, michael or devin, being scared of someone may be a reason to kill some other one So he could also been scared by Steve to kill Michael, wouldn't this make more sense? After Michael ratted out Trevor to the FIB, why wouldn't he rat out Steve to the IAA and how is Trevor a larger threat to Steve? 16 minutes ago, captain jack sparrow said: but michael was a selfish asshole But he didn't ever do something wrong to Franklin, he could have even legally killed him in the beginning but instead they became friends, so why would Franklin kill him? Edited March 8, 2019 by Aquamaniac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, captain jack sparrow said: trevor franklin and michael were friends but michael was an asshole he should have cared especially for trevor(which he has bertrayed again another selfish action and no he did not just did it for his family he did it cause he did not cared) Michael knew he was getting old and Trevor was crazy. He knew that if he'd have stuck around doing heists with Trevor and Brad eventually he'd die. Trevor wanted to keep on going. Like Michael told Franklin in Fresh meat "Look you wake up one day and your legs they just give and you just cant run anymore." Edited March 8, 2019 by Zello TheSantader25 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain jack sparrow Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Zello said: Michael knew he was getting old and Trevor was crazy. He knew that if he'd have stuck around doing heists with Trevor and Brad eventually he'd die. Trevor wanted to keep on going. Like Michael told Franklin in Fresh meat "Look you wake up one day and your legs they just give and you just cant run anymore." he id not had to bertrayed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6fangedcutthroatTV Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Alternate view: Trevor did not have to kill that guard. But he did. Trevor always doing things like that. Trevor is a good friend in the end, he's the one who gets the most offended by friends laughing at him or saying things that hurt his feelings, because he doesn't really do that himself. He busts Michael's balls a little, but he does it, you can tell it's in jest, while what people say about him hits home. But he was reckless and he killed that guard. You don't get a choice in the matter because it is a flashback - it goes the way it went, every time. You can't feel bad for Michael's plot to get away when he was basically trapped with Trevor. He had his family to worry about. Look at how their robberies went. Look at how, years later, Trevor is still doing that and controlling his peers and using them. Michael had to do what he had to do. Trevor starts the game with innocent blood on his hands, just the one we see, who knows how many others. And he is completely cavalier about it when it happens. No remorse. I think there is a picture of that guard with his family somewhere in the office of the prologue, but I might be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 16 hours ago, captain jack sparrow said: he id not had to bertrayed him Yeah but would you go up to a guy like Trevor right up to his face that you want out of the life and don't want to go out on heists anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain jack sparrow Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Zello said: Yeah but would you go up to a guy like Trevor right up to his face that you want out of the life and don't want to go out on heists anymore? i am sure trevor was not such a psychopath before michael bertraeyd him he thought he was dead and from then he was mad and his crazyness got to the next level so yeah i would go right into his face cause in the start he was an ok guy also the fact that he made trevor even more of psychopath adds another reason to kill that selfish asshole 15 hours ago, HelloMyNameIsHuman said: Alternate view: Trevor did not have to kill that guard. But he did. Trevor always doing things like that. Trevor is a good friend in the end, he's the one who gets the most offended by friends laughing at him or saying things that hurt his feelings, because he doesn't really do that himself. He busts Michael's balls a little, but he does it, you can tell it's in jest, while what people say about him hits home. But he was reckless and he killed that guard. You don't get a choice in the matter because it is a flashback - it goes the way it went, every time. You can't feel bad for Michael's plot to get away when he was basically trapped with Trevor. He had his family to worry about. Look at how their robberies went. Look at how, years later, Trevor is still doing that and controlling his peers and using them. Michael had to do what he had to do. Trevor starts the game with innocent blood on his hands, just the one we see, who knows how many others. And he is completely cavalier about it when it happens. No remorse. I think there is a picture of that guard with his family somewhere in the office of the prologue, but I might be wrong. he had to kill that guard to save his best friend you can cleary see he would do anything to save michael (and you can see that even after michael bertraeyd him he did not kill michael's family so michael's family was never in danger)and michael bertrayed him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so yes michael deserves to die and franklin cleary did not just did it cause devin asked him to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana Actual Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 10:53 AM, captain jack sparrow said: why just why??????i just think option b is the best what do yo think??????? Because it is the obvious choice. Take down the corrupt people trying to control you, or kill a "friend".... This is one option in a game that I am surprised they even considered allowing available. It makes NO sense to choose anything but option C. god speed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain jack sparrow Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 you know what????????if you are not gonna agree just do not right a comment i am tired of seeing everyone think option c(aka chliche unrealistic ending)think that it is the best is everyone ever gonna think about it?think about the bad and selfish stuff michael did:firstly he bertraeyd his best friend(and no he did not just did it to protect his family his family was not in any danger)and in the whole game he never seemed to really care about anyone besides his family and i am glad you have the option to kill this selfish asshole at the end!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaniac Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, captain jack sparrow said: you know what????????if you are not gonna agree just do not right a comment i am tired of seeing everyone think option c(aka chliche unrealistic ending)think that it is the best is everyone ever gonna think about it?think about the bad and selfish stuff michael did:firstly he bertraeyd his best friend(and no he did not just did it to protect his family his family was not in any danger)and in the whole game he never seemed to really care about anyone besides his family and i am glad you have the option to kill this selfish asshole at the end!!!!!!!! Michael might be an asshole, but this ending is poorly executed both in terms of gameplay and plausibility. For what reason would Franklin kill Michael on behalf of Westin? Montana Actual 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRob Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, captain jack sparrow said: you know what????????if you are not gonna agree just do not right a comment i am tired of seeing everyone think option c(aka chliche unrealistic ending)think that it is the best is everyone ever gonna think about it?think about the bad and selfish stuff michael did:firstly he bertraeyd his best friend(and no he did not just did it to protect his family his family was not in any danger)and in the whole game he never seemed to really care about anyone besides his family and i am glad you have the option to kill this selfish asshole at the end!!!!!!!! You can think whatever you want, it's a free country. But option C is the best in every way and option A and B make no sense whatsoever and are complete bullsh*t. Added to the game purely to give the player a sense of "choice". You will never change my mind. god speed, HarryTVisitor and Montana Actual 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaniac Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 19 minutes ago, JustRob said: You can think whatever you want, it's a free country. But option C is the best in every way and option A and B make no sense whatsoever and are complete bullsh*t. Added to the game purely to give the player a sense of "choice". You will never change my mind. Trevor is a horrific psychopath, killing him makes indeed some sense, none the less he is my favorite character and Option C was the logical choice when I played the game the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain jack sparrow Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, JustRob said: You can think whatever you want, it's a free country. But option C is the best in every way and option A and B make no sense whatsoever and are complete bullsh*t. Added to the game purely to give the player a sense of "choice". You will never change my mind. you have no right to act like everyone should think is the best but you have a right to love it 48 minutes ago, Aquamaniac said: Michael might be an asshole, but this ending is poorly executed both in terms of gameplay and plausibility. For what reason would Franklin kill Michael on behalf of Westin? maybe he does not just do it for westin but thank the lord you agree that he is an asshole 9 minutes ago, Aquamaniac said: Trevor is a horrific psychopath, killing him makes indeed some sense, none the less he is my favorite character and Option C was the logical choice when I played the game the first time. trevor is a psychopath but michael was the one who deserved to die for his selfish actions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRob Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Aquamaniac said: Trevor is a horrific psychopath, killing him makes indeed some sense, none the less he is my favorite character and Option C was the logical choice when I played the game the first time. Not from Franklin's POV, Trevor's always been loyal to him Montana Actual and captain jack sparrow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaniac Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, JustRob said: Not from Franklin's POV, Trevor's always been loyal to him But Franklin is a cold blooded murderer as well, why would he not sell Trevor to the feds after he gained about 30 Million Dollars if he (and Michael) is save from legal persecution? Franklin is not a good guy either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotti Vigilante Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, captain jack sparrow said: you know what????????if you are not gonna agree just do not right a comment i am tired of seeing everyone think option c(aka chliche unrealistic ending)think that it is the best is everyone ever gonna think about it?think about the bad and selfish stuff michael did:firstly he bertraeyd his best friend(and no he did not just did it to protect his family his family was not in any danger)and in the whole game he never seemed to really care about anyone besides his family and i am glad you have the option to kill this selfish asshole at the end!!!!!!!! You asked why people think Option C is the best ending, but now you're saying that if you're not going to agree just don't write a comment? You asked a question, we gave you an answer. If you don't want people to disagree with you so much, don't ask the question then, because I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone to agree. In fact all it does is display a certain degree of intolerance. Your only argument so far is that Michael betrayed Trevor for his family, and according to you that means he deserves to die for being selfish. People have already explained that Trevor is a psychopath, and he's clearly a loose canon. Nobody expects you to like Michael, you're within your rights to dislike him. But I don't see how you can rationalise killing Michael and not Trevor. Both are horrible human beings for different reasons. Edited March 10, 2019 by Grotti Vigilante god speed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRob Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, Aquamaniac said: But Franklin is a cold blooded murderer as well, why would he not sell Trevor to the feds after he gained about 30 Million Dollars if he (and Michael) is save from legal persecution? Franklin is not a good guy either. None of them are good guys. That's not the point. You don't survive in that world by capping those who got your back. Franklin and Lamar would be dead if it wasn't for Trevor. And if the feds at some point decide that Franklin's a liability, there's no Trevor to back him up. Michael is a questionable ally at best. We saw that when he gave up his former buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain jack sparrow Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 so to succesfuly close this topic and to finaly have the ability to sleep peacfully at nights: we all have a right to our opinion but we do not have a right to act like everyone should think what we think michael is a selfish asshole that deserves to die trevor is a pschopath because of the bertraysion of michael most people pick c cause they do not seat and think that michael deserves to die i can now sleep at nights peacefuly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryTVisitor Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, captain jack sparrow said: you have no right to act like everyone should think is the best but you have a right to love it 13 hours ago, captain jack sparrow said: you know what????????if you are not gonna agree just do not right a comment i am tired of seeing everyone think option c(aka chliche unrealistic ending)think that it is the best 9 yeah ok Edited March 10, 2019 by Sonicdude no idea why the 9 is there i can't remove it why Montana Actual 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaniac Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 11 hours ago, JustRob said: None of them are good guys. That's not the point. You don't survive in that world by capping those who got your back. Franklin and Lamar would be dead if it wasn't for Trevor. And if the feds at some point decide that Franklin's a liability, there's no Trevor to back him up. Michael is a questionable ally at best. We saw that when he gave up his former buddies. Do you mean the mission Hood Safari or when did Trevor safe Franklin's life? If Trevor weren't with them, would they not just have been betrayed with the fake drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustRob Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 8 hours ago, Aquamaniac said: Do you mean the mission Hood Safari or when did Trevor safe Franklin's life? If Trevor weren't with them, would they not just have been betrayed with the fake drugs? Hood Safari, Lamar Down, several other missions. Trevor had his and Lamar's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamaniac Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 2 hours ago, JustRob said: Hood Safari, Lamar Down, several other missions. Trevor had his and Lamar's back. Franklin helped Trevor in the Merryweather heist and taking out the remnants of the hillbilly family, I don't think that Franklin owes Trevor anything at the end of the game. Nik0 Bellic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik0 Bellic Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Aquamaniac said: Franklin helped Trevor in the Merryweather heist and taking out the remnants of the hillbilly family, I don't think that Franklin owes Trevor anything at the end of the game. Yeah, they were like brothers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Nik0 Bellic said: Yeah, they were like brothers More like business acquaintances. If the game was trying to make us think Franklin had a very close family-like relationship with either Michael or Trevor they certainly failed, he just met them and did some robberies with them and outside of "work" their relationships were minimal and they weren't particularly warm towards each other. Edited March 12, 2019 by billiejoearmstrong8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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