PvP changes summary

[U Carmine]

Here is a summary of changes I've come up with for Showdown Series Large.

 

1) Cattleman Revolver should be on the go weapon when moving around. It's more reliable than Double Barrelled Shotgun at mid range in case you see someone. Since there's no more 100% accuracy in Dead Eye. So you can't even headshot with Double Barrelled Shotgun at mid range easily.

 

2) There's no need to switch off Dead Eye after headshot for Eye For An Eye III Dead Eye boost. It got fixed to work while in Dead Eye.

 

3) Go crazy on Snake Oil Tonics. You won't even lose Dead Eye bar after dying. So they'll never get wasted. Special Snake Oil got fixed so you should be able to craft 'em now. And it's only 2 Indian Tobacco + 2 Currant / Poppy.

 

4) Always start with full Health, Stamina and Dead Eye core before entering Showdown. If you go in with half Dead Eye core, you will have the same at the beginning of every Showdown match. Whether you filled it with meat, cigarette or whatever. It'll go back to half Dead Eye core.

 

5) Don't change to custom outfit if you got posse outfit. I changed my outfit to a custom one, and I didn't get my hat back every time I respawned in Name Your Weapon (Free For All) and Most Wanted. So it'll just be posse outfits exclusively for me.

 

6) Dual wielding Revolvers / Pistols has become less useful because there's no more 100% accuracy in Dead Eye to shoot 'em really fast and make 'em all land at mid range. It got worse. I'm debating whether I should change to Sawed Off instead.

 

7) Lancaster Repeater feels like the new Varmint 2.0. It's really accurate, even without Dead Eye. You could shoot someone's head at mid range in a second of aiming. Varmint feels like it has similar accuracy, but the range apparently got reduced. Litchfield accuracy has increased as well. In fact, both repeaters seem similar. I'm using Litchfield.

 

8. Paint It Black III is a possible solution and new meta for mid range headshot and Double Barrelled Shotgun kills. This is the only Dead Eye that remains its 100% accuracy. And it even counters Slippery III too.

 

Slow and Steady III.

Pro: Avoids one shot headshot. Kills Paint It Black III.

Cons: Drains Dead Eye when shot. No 100% accuracy. Fails against Slippery III and possibly Paint It Black III if they had dual wielding / shotgun.

 

Slippery III.

Pros: Avoids auto-aim. Counters Slow and Steady III. 

Cons: Hard to use at further range. No 100% accuracy. Fails against Paint It Black III unless use covers.

 

Paint It Black III.

Pros: Kills outside auto aim range. Viable with dual wielding revolvers or pistols. Has 100% accuracy. Counters Slippery III. 

Cons: Prone to headshot. Fails against Slow and Steady III if trying headshot.

 

I'll add more when I think of 'em. That's it for me. If you got advice on changes, feel free to post.

 

 

Edited February 27, 2019 by Ektope

[chef_archie]

9 minutes ago, Ektope said:

Here is a summary of changes I've come up with for Showdown Series Large.

 

1) Cattleman Revolver should be on the go weapon when moving around. It's more reliable than Double Barrelled Shotgun at mid range in case you see someone. Since there's no more 100% accuracy in Dead Eye. So you can't even headshot with Double Barrelled Shotgun at mid range easily.

 

2) There's no need to switch off Dead Eye after headshot for Eye For An Eye III Dead Eye boost. It got fixed to work while in Dead Eye.

 

3) Go crazy on Snake Oil Tonics. You won't even lose Dead Eye bar after dying. So they'll never get wasted. Special Snake Oil got fixed so you should be able to craft 'em now. And it's only 2 Indian Tobacco + 2 Currant / Poppy.

 

4) Always start with full Health, Stamina and Dead Eye core before entering Showdown. If you go in with half Dead Eye core, you will have the same at the beginning of every Showdown match. Whether you filled it with meat, cigarette or whatever. It'll go back to half Dead Eye core.

 

5) Don't change to custom outfit if you got posse outfit. I changed my outfit to a custom one, and I didn't get my hat back every time I respawned in Name Your Weapon (Free For All) and Most Wanted. So it'll just be posse outfits exclusively for me.

 

6) Dual wielding Revolvers / Pistols has become less useful because there's no more 100% accuracy in Dead Eye to shoot 'em really fast and make 'em all land at mid range. It got worse. I'm debating whether I should change to Sawed Off instead.

 

7) Lancaster Repeater feels like the new Varmint 2.0. It's really accurate, even without Dead Eye. You could shoot someone's head at mid range in a second of aiming. Varmint feels like it has similar accuracy, but the range apparently got reduced. But I'm still undecided on whether to stay with Litchfield. I just have to aim a second longer and it's bigger damage than Lancaster.

 

I'll add more when I think of 'em. That's it for me. If you got advice on changes, feel free to post.

 

 

It shouldn't be called 'deadeye' anymore, just yellow screen tint with various perks that have nothing to do with shooting card. Not saying it's better or worse for gameplay, just that the whole concept 'deadeye' now no longer makes since.

[U Carmine]

4 minutes ago, chef_archie said:

It shouldn't be called 'deadeye' anymore, just yellow screen tint with various perks that have nothing to do with shooting card. Not saying it's better or worse for gameplay, just that the whole concept 'deadeye' now no longer makes since.

But only Paint It Black III and Slippery III seems to affect shooting. It's just 100% accuracy removed. That's it. No more cheap 100% accuracy. It's making us take our time to aim and wait for bloom. To be honest, having 100% accuracy in Dead Eye is how people killed loads in spawns and so on. Or out in open. Well, no more of that. It's time to play properly.

Edited February 26, 2019 by Ektope

[Ryan5252]

They also made some much needed changes to Free Roam events. The main being limited to 16 players which was badly needed. 

[chef_archie]

9 minutes ago, Ektope said:

But only Paint It Black III and Slippery III seems to affect shooting. It's just 100% accuracy removed. That's it. No more cheap 100% accuracy. It's making us take our time to aim and wait for bloom. To be honest, having 100% accuracy in Dead Eye is how people killed loads in spawns and so on. Or out in open. Well, no more of that. It's time to play properly.

Yeah, I'm not questioning the reasoning behind it, just that the name 'dead eye' now now longer makes since as as the title card name. Dead eye signifies excellent shot. I'd say 'special' ability card now fits better for that category than 'dead eye' ability card. The title now no longer fits the card all i'm saying.

3 minutes ago, Ryan5252 said:

They also made some much needed changes to Free Roam events. The main being limited to 16 players which was badly needed. 

NIce, 32 players spawning on top of each other was a mess. I'm still hoping a full free aim lobby offering happens, I feel a lot of these game modes become much more enjoyable if that happens.

[IamCourtney]

1 hour ago, Ryan5252 said:

They also made some much needed changes to Free Roam events. The main being limited to 16 players which was badly needed. 

Yeah, though I did enjoy the absolute clusterf*ck quite a bit, this really needed to be done. Looking forward to trying these out again.

[Ryan5252]

8 minutes ago, IamCourtney said:

Yeah, though I did enjoy the absolute clusterf*ck quite a bit, this really needed to be done. Looking forward to trying these out again.

Just done cold dead hands in Tumbleweed (and won lol) and it was so much tidier. You can only hold the bag for one minute before it drops and you have to go and get it again. It was actually kind of fun. 

[U Carmine]

10 minutes ago, Ryan5252 said:

Just done cold dead hands in Tumbleweed (and won lol) and it was so much tidier. You can only hold the bag for one minute before it drops and you have to go and get it again. It was actually kind of fun. 

Yeah, I did Cold Dead Hands as my 2nd Free Roam Event for the Daily Challenge. I used Slippery III and Potent Snake Oil Tonics. I won so easily on Tumbleweed. Even though I never did it before. And alone.

Edited February 26, 2019 by Ektope

[Gleeman Vox]

Yeah, wierd nerf when Slow and Steady drains dead eye when you’re shot now, but actually in a way it gets buffed when Eye for an Eye now works during dead eye

Edited February 26, 2019 by Gleeman Vox

[Van_Hellsing]

Too bad Peak condition is now totally useless on horseback. Luckily I upgraded horseman. 

[U Carmine]

14 minutes ago, Gleeman Vox said:

Yeah, wierd nerf when Slow and Steady drains dead eye when you’re shot now, but actually in a way it gets buffed when Eye for an Eye now works during dead eye

The people with Slow and Steady III. They would used to stand out in open, getting shot so many times and shrug 'em off like they were nothing.

 

The way it works now, it's gonna force these Slow and Steady III players to not stand out in open like some terminator. And actually use covers. It's pathetic when I could take 'em really easily.

[tonko]

18 minutes ago, Ektope said:

The people with Slow and Steady III. They would used to stand out in open, getting shot so many times and shrug 'em off like they were nothing.

 

Yeah that was frustrating. A welcomed change.

[U Carmine]

23 minutes ago, tonko said:

Yeah that was frustrating. A welcomed change.

I tried using Slow and Steady III a while ago. When I got shot, the Dead Eye bar took off like 20% to 30%. That's a LOT. I mean, if I got shot 3 to 5 times. My whole bar would've been gone.

[Ryan5252]

48 minutes ago, Ektope said:

I tried using Slow and Steady III a while ago. When I got shot, the Dead Eye bar took off like 20% to 30%. That's a LOT. I mean, if I got shot 3 to 5 times. My whole bar would've been gone.

Yeah but on the flip side, if you got shot 3 or 5 times you should be dead!! People soaking up crazy amounts of shots with S&S is why it was nerfed.

[U Carmine]

1 minute ago, Ryan5252 said:

Yeah but on the flip side, if you got shot 3 or 5 times you should be dead!! People soaking up crazy amounts of shots with S&S is why it was nerfed.

Yeah, Varmint was pretty weak against Slow and Steady III. Like 10 to 20 shots. So its body damage got buffed.

[Ryan5252]

1 minute ago, Ektope said:

Yeah, Varmint was pretty weak against Slow and Steady III. Like 10 to 20 shots. So its body damage got buffed.

True, but I'm hoping that with the changes (no more 100% accuracy in dead eye for example) people will actually have to have skill to play. I haven't had a chance to play showdowns yet but I'm hoping it will put an end to the S&S + Varmint Headshots + Spawn Killing scum out there. See how great they are when they actually have to follow a target and line up a shot lol

[U Carmine]

4 minutes ago, Ryan5252 said:

True, but I'm hoping that with the changes (no more 100% accuracy in dead eye for example) people will actually have to have skill to play. I haven't had a chance to play showdowns yet but I'm hoping it will put an end to the S&S + Varmint Headshots + Spawn Killing scum out there. See how great they are when they actually have to follow a target and line up a shot lol

There's a work around the 100% accuracy. Apparently, "

• • Dead Eye no longer gives perfect accuracy (except when using the card Paint It Black)"

This means that Paint It Black III still has 100% accuracy. I even tried it and remember levelling my Paint It Black from Tier I to III. I could still headshot people just fine, and with auto aim. So this is a replacement.

 

But the spawn killing. I'm not sure if I can do this again. I have noticed that players are not on the map radar when they spawn. I only see 'em when they enter or get near the middle or territories. But if players remember where they spawned from, then spawning trapping could still be possible. It looked like the spawns had gotten closer or something, when I played Heartland Oil Fields. They weren't spawning far away on the hills.

 

Lining up shots is easy as well. A little trickier with Litchfield. But Lancaster seems like a Varmint. It headshots instantly of aiming.

Edited February 26, 2019 by Ektope

[Ryan5252]

Doesn't show leadboard in Showdowns now? Surely that's a bug....

[IamCourtney]

1 minute ago, Ryan5252 said:

Doesn't show leadboard in Showdowns now? Surely that's a bug....

You can only see the Leaderboard if you're standing close enough to it now :P

[U Carmine]

4 minutes ago, Ryan5252 said:

Doesn't show leadboard in Showdowns now? Surely that's a bug....

 

2 minutes ago, IamCourtney said:

You can only see the Leaderboard if you're standing close enough to it now

Pressing down on d-pad (not sure about PS4), it won't show up.

 

But if you hold down, down on d-pad, it'll bring up the whole scoreboard.

[Ryan5252]

9 minutes ago, Ektope said:

 

Pressing down on d-pad (not sure about PS4), it won't show up.

 

But if you hold down, down on d-pad, it'll bring up the whole scoreboard.

Yeah but it used to be just pressing it once (like you would to check money, time etc) would display mini table in top left without taking over screen. 

[U Carmine]

1 minute ago, Ryan5252 said:

Yeah but it used to be just pressing it once (like you would to check money, time etc) would display mini table in top left without taking over screen. 

I know what you mean. It seems to work on Hostile Territory. But in Most Wanted and Name Your Weapon (Free For All), pressing down doesn't work. They must've broken it or something.

[ALifeOfMisery]

On 2/26/2019 at 10:04 PM, Van_Hellsing said:

Too bad Peak condition is now totally useless on horseback. Luckily I upgraded horseman. 

Just out of interest, have you replaced Peak Condition with another card? If so, which?

 

I'm toying with one of Winning Streak, The Unblinking Eye or even To Fight Another Day (if being on horseback still counts as sprinting?).

 

Any advice from anyone would be welcome. I'm happy with my PvE load out, I just need a solid replacement for PC, as it's useless to me now for PvP.

[U Carmine]

7 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

Just out of interest, have you replaced Peak Condition with another card? If so, which?

 

I'm toying with one of Winning Streak, The Unblinking Eye or even To Fight Another Day (if being on horseback still counts as sprinting?).

 

Any advice from anyone would be welcome. I'm happy with my PvE load out, I just need a solid replacement for PC, as it's useless to me now for PvP.

If you're actively gonna use Dead Eye, you can't go wrong with Unblinking Eye III. It's one of the most important card.

[Stoakzee]

On 2/26/2019 at 7:25 PM, Ektope said:

there's no more 100% accuracy in Dead Eye.

Not a big fan of this personally, as a free aim player I use slippery bastard and the 100% accuracy helped a lot. That being said, they have at least improved sniping so now it's mostly one hit kills.

[ALifeOfMisery]

34 minutes ago, Ektope said:

If you're actively gonna use Dead Eye, you can't go wrong with Unblinking Eye III. It's one of the most important card.

I didn't use to, but I use Dead Eye at almost every opportunity now. I use S&S in missions for the extra XP (cba with freeaim against NPCs) and in freeroam Slippery Bastard to either escape on horseback or to get up close to an attacker with a shotgun or lasso.

 

So I think the extended Dead Eye from Unblinking Eye 3 would come in useful pretty much at all times.

 

Thanks.

[U Carmine]

13 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

I didn't use to, but I use Dead Eye at almost every opportunity now. I use S&S in missions for the extra XP (cba with freeaim against NPCs) and in freeroam Slippery Bastard to either escape on horseback or to get up close to an attacker with a shotgun or lasso.

 

So I think the extended Dead Eye from Unblinking Eye 3 would come in useful pretty much at all times.

 

Thanks.

I think you're better off with Paint It Black III instead of Slow and Steady III. Because of the 100% accuracy. Getting shot by NPC enemies would drain your Dead Eye bar by 20% to 30% if used Slow and Steady III. And that's not good. I would never use Slow and Steady III anymore for time being. It doesn't seem suitable for PvP or PvE.

 

With Paint It Black III: Hold LT to lock-on, click RS / RS to active Dead Eye. Move RS / R3 upwards to aim head. Press RT / R2. It's very easy headshots, 100% accuracy without bloom. I'm able to use Litchfield easier this way, plus higher damage and magazine capacity than Lancaster.

Edited February 28, 2019 by Ektope

[ALifeOfMisery]

6 minutes ago, Ektope said:

I think you're better off with Paint It Black III instead of Slow and Steady III. Because of the 100% accuracy. Getting shot by NPC enemies would drain your Dead Eye bar by 20% to 30% if used Slow and Steady III. And that's not good. I would never use Slow and Steady III anymore for time being. It doesn't seem suitable for PvP or PvE.

 

With Paint It Black III: Hold LT to lock-on, click RS / RS to active Dead Eye. Move RS / R3 upwards to aim head. Press RT / R2. It's very easy headshots, 100% accuracy without bloom. I'm able to use Litchfield easier this way, plus higher damage and magazine capacity than Lancaster.

That's interesting about S&S, thank you again.

 

As for PIB 3, I admit I'm an auto aim scrub, I'm too old and my reactions are far too slow for almost anything involving free aim, which is why I go for the up close shotgun or lasso approach when using SB 3 during freeroam PvP. Makes me think I'd miss a lot using PIB 3, even when locking on before activating.

 

Are any of the other Dead Eye cards worth using and upgrading? 

[U Carmine]

5 minutes ago, ALifeOfMisery said:

That's interesting about S&S, thank you again.

 

As for PIB 3, I admit I'm an auto aim scrub, I'm too old and my reactions are far too slow for almost anything involving free aim, which is why I go for the up close shotgun or lasso approach when using SB 3 during freeroam PvP. Makes me think I'd miss a lot using PIB 3, even when locking on before activating.

 

Are any of the other Dead Eye cards worth using and upgrading? 

In free roam, people would use Express Explosive with Paint It Black III and blow people up from very far away. That was free aim, but from the safety of being of metres away.

 

The only useful ones I can think of, are Paint It Black III and Slippery III for PvP. Quite an Inspiration III is still useful for Story Missions to keep the noobs alive.

[ALifeOfMisery]

2 minutes ago, Ektope said:

In free roam, people would use Express Explosive with Paint It Black III and blow people up from very far away. That was free aim, but from the safety of being of metres away.

 

The only useful ones I can think of, are Paint It Black III and Slippery III for PvP. Quite an Inspiration III is still useful for Story Missions to keep the noobs alive.

Your knowledge is extremely useful, thank you.

 

As I already have PIB 2, almost half way to 3, from before I unlocked S&S, I think I'll take your advice.

 

Might use the next 10.5 levels, until I unlock Express Explosive, practicing with it in story missions.