How are some players so lethal?

[AmyStone]

Around 90% of the time I can stand a good chance again other players. But occasionally I get involved in a gunfight with someone who is unbeatable. One player I encountered the other night was shooting me almost the instant I respawned when they were nowhere near me. I don't believe they were sniping because I never stood still for a moment. I was also unable to kill them no matter how many time I hit them. I must have got around 8 headshots on him yet he still didn't die. Is there some secret ability cards that gives you a big advantage against other players?

Edited February 22, 2019 by AmyStone

[ShayD]

Paint it black is op outside lock on range wth rifles, sweep the crosshair across their head and drop the guy without him getting close. Plus theres cards that just allow consecutive shots / horseback shots to deal increased damage, AND one that deals more damage when your stamina is full. He could've also been using never without one, tanking headshots.

Edited February 22, 2019 by ShayD
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[tonko]

1 hour ago, AmyStone said:

Around 90% of the time I can stand a good chance again other players. But occasionally I get involved in a gunfight with someone who is unbeatable. One player I encountered the other night was shooting me almost the instant I respawned when they were nowhere near me. I don't believe they were sniping because I never stood still for a moment. I was also unable to kill them no matter how many time I hit them. I must have got around 8 headshots on him yet he still didn't die. Is there some secret ability cards that gives you a big advantage against other players?

Have you ever played Witcher? Geralt can use potions and special magic skills. RDO is similar with one difference: Wild West. The guy you encountered was using ability cards that makes him very hard to kill. 

 

Need to rewatch Dollar trilogy, maybe Clint also used those Dead Eye and Headshotproof cards.

 

[Chrismads]

If he used slow and steady with never without one, he can tank alot of headshots. He was probably using explosive rounds as well.

Best counter is to switch session. If you insist on fighting him, shotguns, 2 x sidearms or a express repeater, all body shots, is your best chance imo. 

Edited February 22, 2019 by Chrismads

[ZakeBudek]

 

[DarksunDaFirst]

57 minutes ago, tonko said:

Have you ever played Witcher? Geralt can use potions and special magic skills. RDO is similar with one difference: Wild West. The guy you encountered was using ability cards that makes him very hard to kill. 

 

Need to rewatch Dollar trilogy, maybe Clint also used those Dead Eye and Headshotproof cards.

 

Pretty much this.

Some people will go on a killing spree, in a certain area and using a certain method, because they're specifically using the cards to make them essentially unbeatable 1v1.  

It's a good thing that player stats are not easily seen like they were in GTA:O - or else you get a lot of butthurt people out there when I start noticing others KDR compared to their own.

Edited February 22, 2019 by DarksunDaFirst

[Chrismads]

28 minutes ago, DarksunDaFirst said:

It's a good thing that player stats are not easily seen like they were in GTA:O - or else you get a lot of butthurt people out there when I start noticing others KDR compared to their own.

I was about to ask about your frasing "not easily seen" but then realized that I do not want to know.

[tonko]

2 hours ago, ZakeBudek said:

 

Dear God! Now imagine if this guy was moving, chugging tonics while remaining in infinite Dead Eye. Laughable.

 

We need showdown creator with option to disable these gimmicks.

2 hours ago, DarksunDaFirst said:

Pretty much this.

Some people will go on a killing spree, in a certain area and using a certain method, because they're specifically using the cards to make them essentially unbeatable 1v1.  

It's a good thing that player stats are not easily seen like they were in GTA:O - or else you get a lot of butthurt people out there when I start noticing others KDR compared to their own.

I remember in RDR 1 when i would get owned by players who mastered PVP. It felt fair. Those guys mastered using revolvers and they deserved to be on the top. It was rewarding to kill those guys.

 

In RDR2 that feel is cheap. Like yesterday, a 243 lvl player was invincible. He had 40 kills and 2-3 deaths. Cards were usual suspects.

[Chrismads]

4 minutes ago, tonko said:

Dear God! Now imagine if this guy was moving, chugging tonics while remaining in infinite Dead Eye. Laughable.

 

We need showdown creator with option to disable these gimmicks.

Well he can't swap outfit styles while fighting or in showdownsso erveryone calm down.

I don't know how he managed to tank that many head shot without a hat though..? I can't tank that many

[U Carmine]

10 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

Well he can't swap outfit styles while fighting or in showdownsso erveryone calm down.

I don't know how he managed to tank that many head shot without a hat though..? I can't tank that many

It is possible to change outfit style while in showdown gameplay. With maximum overweight build, a player can have -7.5% damage absorption. So that's like having 107.5% HP. The rounds that were shot to the guy's head, it could be normal regular rounds that aren't high velocity or express.

 

3 hours ago, tonko said:

Have you ever played Witcher?

Speaking of Witcher, someone told me that my character looked like Yennefer.

Edited February 22, 2019 by Ektope

[DarksunDaFirst]

26 minutes ago, tonko said:

I remember in RDR 1 when i would get owned by players who mastered PVP. It felt fair. Those guys mastered using revolvers and they deserved to be on the top. It was rewarding to kill those guys.

 

In RDR2 that feel is cheap. Like yesterday, a 243 lvl player was invincible. He had 40 kills and 2-3 deaths. Cards were usual suspects.

This is why I'm going to question any gun for it's style now because the gun I REALLY want might not fit the style I would need to play sometimes.

In RDR, my gun was the Lamat.  Semi-Auto lovers would cower to my 9-shot.  The thing I absolutely loved about it was it's damage/distance - would reduce very little.  I always joked that people who were truly good used Revolvers in that game, and those who were not just spammed the pistols...

Edited February 22, 2019 by DarksunDaFirst

[U Carmine]

4 hours ago, AmyStone said:

I was also unable to kill them no matter how many time I hit them. I must have got around 8 headshots on him yet he still didn't die. Is there some secret ability cards that gives you a big advantage against other players?

Were you using Varmint Rifle? Because against Slow and Steady III, Varmint is at an even bigger disadvantage than any other Repeaters or Rifles. If you weren't using Varmint, he could've been regenerating off you or used tonics.

Edited February 22, 2019 by Ektope

[wehweh01]

It could be lag. I have a hard time applauding anyone who uses autoaim to get kills. 

 

Edited February 22, 2019 by wehweh01
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[rusbeckia]

7 hours ago, AmyStone said:

Around 90% of the time I can stand a good chance again other players. But occasionally I get involved in a gunfight with someone who is unbeatable. One player I encountered the other night was shooting me almost the instant I respawned when they were nowhere near me. I don't believe they were sniping because I never stood still for a moment. I was also unable to kill them no matter how many time I hit them. I must have got around 8 headshots on him yet he still didn't die. Is there some secret ability cards that gives you a big advantage against other players?

Rolling Block with Express Ammo and Peak Condition III is one shot kill. It‘s not that difficult to hit also

[wehweh01]

1 hour ago, rusbeckia said:

Rolling Block with Express Ammo and Peak Condition III is one shot kill. It‘s not that difficult to hit also

This works on players with max health? Pretty sure that's not right. Then again the Rolling Block is the only gun I don't own.

[Assblaster]

I just feel bad for new players a few months from now. All of us will be lethal terminators and they'll all be our doomed prey lol.

[Lonely-Martin]

5 hours ago, tonko said:

In RDR2 that feel is cheap. 

So very cheap...

 

...but stupidly expensive too.

 

It's just one of those reasons why session choice is key for me. I don't enjoy much PvP, but when I do, I want to play in a fair and balanced environment. I'm not ever buying those pathetic cards, so until sessions come, PvP is a big no-go...

 

Basically all but 8 missions is off limits, lol. A complete farce!

[Chrismads]

10 hours ago, wehweh01 said:

This works on players with max health? Pretty sure that's not right. Then again the Rolling Block is the only gun I don't own.

Yes it does.

As a fascist free aimer as flaunty as you I thought rolling block was a must have

Edited February 23, 2019 by Chrismads

[Ryan5252]

1 hour ago, rusbeckia said:

Rolling Block with Express Ammo and Peak Condition III is one shot kill. It‘s not that difficult to hit also

Rolling Block is grand for hunting from a distance. Close combat PvP it's useless. You'll die 6 or 7 times before you might land a shot on target.

[wehweh01]

2 hours ago, Chrismads said:

Yes it does.

As a fascist free aimer as flaunty and as you I thought rolling block was a must have

Naw I tend to have players rush me so it's either my double actions or semi auto shotgun. Sniping is for noobs.

[Chrismads]

8 minutes ago, wehweh01 said:

Naw I tend to have players rush me so it's either my double actions or semi auto shotgun. Sniping is for noobs.

So auto aim and sniping is for noobs.

Is the only right way to play to hide around corners with double actions or semi auto shotgun?

What's your stand on horses? Which can we use and which are pussy noob auto aim loser horses?

And what kind of hats are we allowed to use?

[wehweh01]

37 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

So auto aim and sniping is for noobs.

Is the only right way to play to hide around corners with double actions or semi auto shotgun?

What's your stand on horses? Which can we use and which are pussy noob auto aim loser horses?

And what kind of hats are we allowed to use?

Salty much? Play how you wanna play. You're pretty much the only one complaining at this point.

  Personally, I have many friends who play autoaim. They know I dislike the mixed lobby but for now it brings us together. If we get the choice to be in a freeaim only lobby or mixed lobby I might stay in the mixed. It just depends on who wants to go freeaim only.

Edited February 23, 2019 by wehweh01
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[Chrismads]

2 hours ago, wehweh01 said:

Salty much? Play how you wanna play. You're pretty much the only one complaining at this point.

  Personally, I have many friends who play autoaim. They know I dislike the mixed lobby but for now it brings us together. If we get the choice to be in a freeaim only lobby or mixed lobby I might stay in the mixed. It just depends on who wants to go freeaim only.

I'm sorry I realized I might have mistaken you for somebody else. Went through some of your posts and I don't think it was u who ranted on and on about how autoaimers were losers, so my aggression was uncalled for 

Edited February 23, 2019 by Chrismads

[wehweh01]

59 minutes ago, Chrismads said:

I'm sorry I realized I might have mistaken you for somebody else. Went through some of your posts and I don't think it was u who ranted on and on about how autoaimers were losers, so my aggression was uncalled for 

Its coo

[rusbeckia]

8 hours ago, wehweh01 said:

This works on players with max health? Pretty sure that's not right. Then again the Rolling Block is the only gun I don't own.

Yep, destroyed a lvl 250+ with it last time. I‘m ~120.

rolling block is the strongest gun in the game. Graze shot downs them. 

 

I also had Winning Streak III, but since they died after one shot I‘m not sure if it stscked with peak condition.

 

it‘s funny cause your post reminded me of that sitution. I couldn‘t stand a chance against this dude, I had same ability cards and he headshotted me with lancaster in a split second all the time. He probably used tonics always. Thats when i decided to back off of him and snipe his ass. It really was satisfactory to see him leave server after 5-6 kills. 

8 hours ago, Ryan5252 said:

Rolling Block is grand for hunting from a distance. Close combat PvP it's useless. You'll die 6 or 7 times before you might land a shot on target.

Not if you‘re slightly out of lock-on range. Most players are really bad at freeaiming.

Edited February 23, 2019 by rusbeckia

[tonko]

10 hours ago, Assblaster said:

I just feel bad for new players a few months from now. All of us will be lethal terminators and they'll all be our doomed prey lol.

Lambs going to the slaughter. Which is OK for Free Roam. 

 

But in PVP modes new players should have equal chances to fight, no other way around it. This status quo is unfair to them.

10 hours ago, Lonely-Martin said:

So very cheap...

 

...but stupidly expensive too.

 

It's just one of those reasons why session choice is key for me. I don't enjoy much PvP, but when I do, I want to play in a fair and balanced environment. I'm not ever buying those pathetic cards, so until sessions come, PvP is a big no-go...

 

Basically all but 8 missions is off limits, lol. A complete farce!

I dig that. I like PVP, and i hoped that RDR 2 PVP will reflect the one we had in OG RDR multiplayer - fun and fair. 

 

That turned out to be a pipe dream. 

[rusbeckia]

9 hours ago, wehweh01 said:

Naw I tend to have players rush me so it's either my double actions or semi auto shotgun. Sniping is for noobs.

LOL. That‘s ironic right? 

When we‘re talking about noob weapons ALL the shotguns are on top rank. 

[Talisman_83]

5 hours ago, rusbeckia said:

I also had Winning Streak III, but since they died after one shot I‘m not sure if it stscked with peak condition.

I don't think Winning Streak stacks with Peak Condition.

I know a lot of players use that combo, but I haven't seen any evidence of them stacking.

[U Carmine]

1 hour ago, rusbeckia said:

LOL. That‘s ironic right? 

When we‘re talking about noob weapons ALL the shotguns are on top rank. 

The way I see it, all the weapons need to be used correctly at the right range. If they aren't used properly or successfully, then that says a lot about the user or player who handled them. I'll give you an example:

 

Trying to use shotgun when opponent is far range. How are you even gonna get a lock? The damage output will disappear and be non-existence after a certain range.

 

Trying to use a rifle or repeater when the opponent is point blank or close range. I mean, that's crazy. It's harder to try aiming their head. It's better if using something else for close quarter engagement.

 

If someone is point blank or close range or mid ranged, but you decided to try using the scope attachment from repeater or (sniper) rifle. Still, that's crazy when it could be quicker to not use the scope at all. There's auto aim locking (talking about auto setting here) when it should be used.

 

If you try to use revolver or pistol at someone who is at long range, there won't be auto lock. I don't even know if paint it black III would work here. The damage disappears, it doesn't exist at long range.

 

So yeah. If you can't use or someone can't use or doesn't use these properly, that's what I'd consider as a "noob". But on a consistent scale. Like if cannot get a single kill with tomahawk, double barrelled, not even with sniper. So yeah. Sniper is harder to use in an active shootout. Or even in team shootout mode. Good for someone if they managed to land some headshots or kills. It ain't easy on controller. It would be on mouse.

Edited February 23, 2019 by Ektope

[rusbeckia]

11 minutes ago, Ektope said:

The way I see it, all the weapons need to be used correctly at the right range. If they aren't used properly or successfully, then that says a lot about the user or player who handled them. I'll give you an example:

 

Trying to use shotgun when opponent is far range. How are you even gonna get a lock? The damage output will disappear and be non-existence after a certain range.

 

Trying to use a rifle or repeater when the opponent is point blank or close range. I mean, that's crazy. It's harder to try aiming their head. It's better if using something else for close quarter engagement.

 

If someone is point blank or close range or mid ranged, but you decided to try using the scope attachment from repeater or (sniper) rifle. Still, that's crazy when it could be quicker to not use the scope at all. There's auto aim locking (talking about auto setting here) when it should be used.

 

If you try to use revolver or pistol at someone who is at long range, there won't be auto lock. I don't even know if paint it black III would work here. The damage disappears, it doesn't exist at long range.

 

So yeah. If you can't use or someone can't use or doesn't use these properly, that's what I'd consider as a "noob". But on a consistent scale. Like if cannot get a single kill with tomahawk, double barrelled, not even with sniper. So yeah. Sniper is harder to use in an active shootout. Or even in team shootout mode. Good for someone if they managed to land some headshots or kills. It ain't easy on controller. It would be on mouse.

There‘s nothing to add here. 

I was assuming he/she was talking about using weapons in the right situation. Of course a shotgun on longrange or sniper on short range puts you in a disadvantage. If we‘re talking bout using guns in the right situations and one still believes that sniper is for noobs this sounds more like butthurt lol

why would I approach someone close to use lock-on when I can snipe them away with one shot using a scope?