RED DEAD ONLINE BETA UPDATE ARRIVES NEXT WEEK

[DonnieVega]

7 minutes ago, theNGclan said:

Then stop using a public forum if you can’t handle people asking for a feature that should be in the game from launch. Simple solution.

 

Hopefully that feature show up some time soon - but then we have to ask what content won’t be in alternate sessions.

Can't I share my opinions then? Like you said, it's forum. And I even agree with having all those different lobby types but come on, you need to wake up. Nothing "should" be in the game other than the things the almighty Rockstar wants to have in the game. They have a plan! 

[ghostsoap01]

20 minutes ago, DonnieVega said:

Yes GTAO has those lobby options because they weren't really sure what game they were creating at first. But this time around they do. [...] They're just asking for player feedback so they don't have to look for all the bugs themselves. Gameplay-wise, they don't give a sh*t. I mean, who the f*ck is asking for adversary modes anyway? It's our fault to have such high expectations from a company that is clearly just doing its own thing.

 

I think people should be spamming rockstar about invite sessions, but I also tend to agree with the point you're making. It feels like we are asking a brick wall (r*) and part of me thinks its pointless, but part of me hopes it might come (as irrational as that may be), and that part of me overrules anything else, and so I keep asking for it in hopes it might come. I'm sure many others asking for it are in the same boat as me.

[ThaBirdCoot]

They have a plan for gettin' to ya wallet, hopefully people are not naive enough to fall for it. 

[Lonely-Martin]

21 minutes ago, DonnieVega said:

They're just asking for player feedback so they don't have to look for all the bugs themselves. Gameplay-wise, they don't give a sh*t. I mean, who the f*ck is asking for adversary modes anyway? It's our fault to have such high expectations from a company that is clearly just doing its own thing.

Probably why their shares are dropping (last I read, down 13%) and they've had to reassess expectations, lol. If they do prove to not care, might only get worse too which makes them needing to listen more important than ever.

 

10 minutes ago, DonnieVega said:

They have a plan! 

Not listening when asking explicitly many times for our feedback is bad for business, and that ain't part of the plan, surely. 

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Probably why their shares are dropping (last I read, down 13%) and they've had to reassess expectations, lol.

Nah. Shares dropping is an industry thing at the moment, it's not really related to RDR2/RDO specifically.

Edited February 21, 2019 by Jason

[Lonely-Martin]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Nah. Shares dropping is an industry thing at the moment, it's not really related to RDR2/RDO specifically.

Fair play. It's a world I know little of and more just reacting off of the headlines. But hopefully it means gamers are starting to see the poorer side to microtransactions with that though.

 

Not against them as much as others, but feel they can impact games in a strong way too. 

[theNGclan]

10 minutes ago, DonnieVega said:

Can't I share my opinions then? Like you said, it's forum. And I even agree with having all those different lobby types but come on, you need to wake up. Nothing "should" be in the game other than the things the almighty Rockstar wants to have in the game. They have a plan! 

Features that should be in the game are standard ones that are tied to core functionality and playability. GTA Online, even though it's geared towards public session chaos, has this feature. RDO isn't a beta when it's designed specifically to encourage players to spend money on a supposed unfinished product.

 

Your initial post, the one with the gif, was breaking the forum rules. (No Spam Off-topic, nonsensical, one word or otherwise pointless and non-contributory posts.) I'm not entirely sure if you're aware of that, but if you're going to get uppity about someone pointing out that your logic is a bit loopy then there really isn't anything that anyone can do to help you.

 

I gave my opinion and you replied with no argument at hand. When I questioned it you simply said you're tired of people whining about alternate lobbies (which is, y'know, a highly requested feature that most games have at launch) but hey - reasoning is for morons amirite.

 

I'm hoping that Rockstar can turn this thing around like they did with GTAO, hopefully for the best. It's undoubtedly gonna get greedier as it goes but I want to actually be able to enjoy the game rather than fear when the next griefer is gonna come my way and f*ck with me just for being a in a session; god forbid people want sessions isolated to their group of friends. Unfortunately thus far their plan seems to be shaky at best.

[Jason]

Just now, Lonely-Martin said:

But hopefully it means gamers are starting to see the poorer side to microtransactions with that though.

Maybe, possibly, maybe not, I dunno. It's hard to really pinpoint what exactly the decline in the games industry is all about, it's not one thing in particular I don't think although some of the negativity is believed to stem from the fact that so far there's no REALLY big hitters confirmed to release in 2019, and things like Call of Duty and Battlefield have been under-performing.

 

But yea, I don't think you can pin Take-Two's falling stocks down to RDR2 and RDO's performance, the game exceeded expectations for them.

[DonnieVega]

2 minutes ago, theNGclan said:

Features that should be in the game are standard ones that are tied to core functionality and playability. GTA Online, even though it's geared towards public session chaos, has this feature. RDO isn't a beta when it's designed specifically to encourage players to spend money on a supposed unfinished product.

 

Your initial post, the one with the gif, was breaking the forum rules. (No Spam Off-topic, nonsensical, one word or otherwise pointless and non-contributory posts.) I'm not entirely sure if you're aware of that, but if you're going to get uppity about someone pointing out that your logic is a bit loopy then there really isn't anything that anyone can do to help you.

 

I gave my opinion and you replied with no argument at hand. When I questioned it you simply said you're tired of people whining about alternate lobbies (which is, y'know, a highly requested feature that most games have at launch) but hey - reasoning is for morons amirite.

 

I'm hoping that Rockstar can turn this thing around like they did with GTAO, hopefully for the best. It's undoubtedly gonna get greedier as it goes but I want to actually be able to enjoy the game rather than fear when the next griefer is gonna come my way and f*ck with me just for being a in a session; god forbid people want sessions isolated to their group of friends. Unfortunately thus far their plan seems to be shaky at best.

But who decides what the core functionality of any game is? Isn't that the developer?

 

Yes, my initial post clearly was meant to provoke a reaction. But I'm sure you can understand where I'm coming from. My reasoning and opinions have been made very clear.

 

 

[Rammer2k]

Lord knows what kind of bugs come out of this pathethic XP bonus.  Which by the way is useless since the game is barely playable now.

[ThaBirdCoot]

2 minutes ago, Rammer2k said:

Lord knows what kind of bugs come out of this pathethic XP bonus.  Which by the way is useless since the game is barely playable now.

yep, first time in the past few months I've been totally disgusted to the point I am not keen on playing, had 2 buddies online whom sent me a party invite as soon as I turned on my console, just told them I can't do this right now since so much stuff is broken and warned them about current issues. I can totally see my friend who loves to run strangers having multiple rage fits tonight... 

[DonnieVega]

23 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Not listening when asking explicitly many times for our feedback is bad for business, and that ain't part of the plan, surely. 

First of all, don't call me surely. And secondly, we have no idea how business is going. Who knows how much gold they've sold by now in this still very bare bones game.

They're not looking to appease every niche (which free-aim definitely is on console). They just want one simple product for a wide audience.

[Lonely-Martin]

19 minutes ago, Jason said:

Maybe, possibly, maybe not, I dunno. It's hard to really pinpoint what exactly the decline in the games industry is all about, it's not one thing in particular I don't think although some of the negativity is believed to stem from the fact that so far there's no REALLY big hitters confirmed to release in 2019, and things like Call of Duty and Battlefield have been under-performing.

 

But yea, I don't think you can pin Take-Two's falling stocks down to RDR2 and RDO's performance, the game exceeded expectations for them.

Very true, RDR2 sold extremely well. It'll be interesting to see where that all goes TBH as there's many potentials that can cause that sort of thing, and history shows it can be swift too sometimes when things start to slide.

 

Anyhow, best waiting until the beta period is officially over before really knowing either way, just gets a bit frustrating is all.

14 minutes ago, DonnieVega said:

Yes, my initial post clearly was meant to provoke a reaction. But I'm sure you can understand where I'm coming from. My reasoning and opinions have been made very clear.

Suits me, lol. A reaction it will get, and I'm only hoping it grows and grows to a point it can't be ignored. Time will tell. Do appreciate this fire being reignited.

[theNGclan]

13 minutes ago, DonnieVega said:

But who decides what the core functionality of any game is? Isn't that the developer?

 

Yes, my initial post clearly was meant to provoke a reaction. But I'm sure you can understand where I'm coming from. My reasoning and opinions have been made very clear.

 

 

No sh*t, really? The developer chooses what is gonna be in their game? Whoa, what a novel concept!

 

They've stated several times that they want to make RDO the best it can be and ask us for our input. Isolating players based on session queries isn't difficult. They're either focusing on something else or they have no intention of introducing the feature.

 

If you're going to post something and have a discussion, then actually put in some effort. Everyone here wants a better product but saying goofy incoherent nonsense to people who are just voicing their concern is silly.

[Lonely-Martin]

4 minutes ago, DonnieVega said:

First of all, don't call me surely. And secondly, we have no idea how business is going. Who knows how much gold they've sold by now in this still very bare bones game.

They're not looking to appease every niche (which free-aim definitely is on console). They just want one simple product for a wide audience.

Maybe, but by excluding freeaim and PvE players, along with who knows what seeing gaming shares dropping in areas, and them knowing GTA:O thrives still with all those options available. It'd be better for business to widen potential rather than limit it, my thoughts mind as I'm not the sharpest on all the technical's and we know so little from their end too.

 

I just see little reason from my POV to limit the game is all.

[DonnieVega]

3 minutes ago, theNGclan said:

No sh*t, really? The developer chooses what is gonna be in their game? Whoa, what a novel concept!

 

They've stated several times that they want to make RDO the best it can be and ask us for our input. Isolating players based on session queries isn't difficult. They're either focusing on something else or they have no intention of introducing the feature.

 

If you're going to post something and have a discussion, then actually put in some effort. Everyone here wants a better product but saying goofy incoherent nonsense to people who are just voicing their concern is silly.

It feels like you're arguing with yourself now. You said; "features that should be in the game". I said; "Nothing should be in the game other than the things Rockstar wants." 

 

They want RDO to be the best it can be to suit their own needs. Where are you seeing posts asking for adversary modes? But that's the stuff we're getting. Free-aim is not important to them because it's only a very small minority of console players. Who knows, maybe they'll add it one day. But looking at where they took GTAO, it's clear they want a simple game for a wide audience without a divide in the player base.

 

Let me surmise: Rockstar doesn't give a sh*t, except about their own weird little plan.

 

My "nonsense" may look pretty coherent if you'd make an effort to read my posts in this thread.

[Agent 13]

28 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

Maybe, but by excluding freeaim and PvE players, along with who knows what seeing gaming shares dropping in areas, and them knowing GTA:O thrives still with all those options available. It'd be better for business to widen potential rather than limit it, my thoughts mind as I'm not the sharpest on all the technical's and we know so little from their end too.

 

I just see little reason from my POV to limit the game is all.

They're not excluding PvE players but forcing them to play in mixed lobbies just like in GTAO.

And only Rockstar knows how many people are playing in the free aim lobbies in GTAO, but it must really be a marginal amount or it would've been included.

But hey at least they threw them a bone with an ability card!

 

Like DonnieVega said, they want a simple streamlined product for a wide audience. Think of it as an IPhone, they're limited in variety but still have a huge audience.

[ThaBirdCoot]

4 minutes ago, Agent 13 said:

they want a simple streamlined product for a wide audience. Think of it as an IPhone, they're limited in variety but still have a huge audience.

yuck ! I might just threw up a little in my mouth

Edited February 21, 2019 by ThaBirdCoot

[Eddy Wally]

4 minutes ago, ThaBirdCoot said:

yuck ! I might just threw up a little in my mouth

it's ugly but that's exactly how they made money with GTA online though!

[ThaBirdCoot]

Just now, Eddy Wally said:

it's ugly but that's exactly how they made money with GTA online though!

aaand that's pretty pathetic, but not surprising in the slightest...

[Lonely-Martin]

1 minute ago, Agent 13 said:

They're not excluding PvE players but forcing them to play in mixed lobbies just like in GTAO.

And only Rockstar knows how many people are playing in the free aim lobbies in GTAO, but it must really be a marginal amount or it would've been included.

But hey at least they threw them a bone with an ability card!

 

Like DonnieVega said, they want a simple streamlined product for a wide audience. Think of it as an IPhone, they're limited in variety but still have a huge audience.

By forcing a PvE player into mixed sessions, that stops them being the full on PvE player they want to be, lol. In GTA:O they only force players into public If they want to run businesses that's all. Everything else is still being added to all, including their last DLC. If they want to herd us all together there, they could force us public to buy cars/clothes or access the arena/game modes.

 

Me, I only seek lone public sessions for the odd sale, otherwise I'm in an invite session, either alone or with friends. If selling in lone sessions got patched, I'd stop selling business stocks, but still have much gaming I enjoy. It's all choice in GTA for us. R* can try to force me out there but as a PvE player, it's just not happening, without session choice, I don't play. One less they could try to sell gold to, time will tell of course as to how much that affects them through how many others walk or stay and persist with it. But if more players get attracted to play their way, it's more money through gold sales. Can't monitise those not there, they limit potential.

 

I and many don't want to play in a PvP environment, so we are excluded unless we compromise our playstyle.

13 minutes ago, Eddy Wally said:

it's ugly but that's exactly how they made money with GTA online though!

Na, they make huge money from GTA:O because all playstyles thrive so more can buy their cards as they have a wider audience.

[ThaBirdCoot]

10 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

I and many don't want to play in a PvP environment, so we are excluded unless we compromise our playstyle.

" The 'morality of compromise' sounds contradictory. Compromise is usually a sign of weakness, or an admission of defeat. Strong men don't compromise, it is said, and principles should never be compromised. "

 

Andrew Carnegie

 

 

Edited February 21, 2019 by ThaBirdCoot

[theNGclan]

56 minutes ago, DonnieVega said:

It feels like you're arguing with yourself now. You said; "features that should be in the game". I said; "Nothing should be in the game other than the things Rockstar wants." 

 

They want RDO to be the best it can be to suit their own needs. Where are you seeing posts asking for adversary modes? But that's the stuff we're getting. Free-aim is not important to them because it's only a very small minority of console players. Who knows, maybe they'll add it one day. But looking at where they took GTAO, it's clear they want a simple game for a wide audience without a divide in the player base.

 

Let me surmise: Rockstar doesn't give a sh*t, except about their own weird little plan.

 

My "nonsense" may look pretty coherent if you'd make an effort to read my posts in this thread.

Astounding logic. Truly the pinnacle of human thought and expression right here. I'm just blown away by this.

 

So Rockstar has a plan, correct? They want to create an engaging experience that will keep players hooked in hopes that they will eventually spend money on the gold currency system. They want our feedback to improve the core experience alongside what content we'd like to see in the future. It's a pretty sound business tactic to respond to demand. It may take some time before certain things are addressed, but simple features such as isolating players in a particular session or allowing players to play in an even playing field based on their gameplay preferences are just not there. Rockstar either has other things to get to before hand (or perhaps they haven't spoken on these features but they're indeed coming) or they legitimately have no intention of doing anything.

 

"Rockstar has a plan to make money by actively ignoring their player base!"

 

You've stated that the only things that should be in the game are solely what Rockstar wants, and when people speak up about standard features being mysteriously omitted it's suddenly boring and pointless - except for the fact that Rockstar actively reads these forums and what us to directly communicate with them. I'm not saying Rockstar cares, but rather that they seem to care very little.

 

You shouldn't make arguments that can be turned back against you, because with every post you've made as of late (even if we disregard the one that broke the forum rules :V) your argument is about as consistent as pigeon sh*t. It's only okay for someone to voice their concern when they share the same view as you. When I disagreed with you I was greeted with a barrage of inconsistent nonsense.

 

Even if you have a disagreement with somebody you shouldn't automatically assume that they're attempting to censor you by not kissing your ass. f*ck people for wanting to enjoy the game and have standard features be present, amirite? f*ck people who post on a forum that the company reads so they can voice their grievances :V

 

Now, we just have to wait and see what Feb 26th brings us.

Edited February 21, 2019 by theNGclan

[Agent 13]

6 minutes ago, Lonely-Martin said:

By forcing a PvE player into mixed sessions, that stops them being the full on PvE player they want to be, lol. In GTA:O they only force players into public If they want to run businesses that's all. Everything else is still being added to all, including their last DLC. If they want to herd us all together there, they could force us public to buy cars/clothes or access the arena/game modes.

 

Me, I only seek lone public sessions for the odd sale, otherwise I'm in an invite session, either alone or with friends. If selling in lone sessions got patched, I'd stop selling business stocks, but still have much gaming I enjoy. It's all choice in GTA for us. R* can try to force me out there but as a PvE player, it's just not happening, without session choice, I don't play. One less they could try to sell gold to, time will tell of course as to how much that affects them through how many others walk or stay and persist with it. But if more players get attracted to play their way, it's more money through gold sales. Can't monitise those not there, they limit potential.

 

I and many don't want to play in a PvP environment, so we are excluded unless we compromise our playstyle.

Yes but that's the thing, Rockstar doesn't really care what we want. You want to be a full on PVE player? Though sh*t, here's what you're getting in stead! 

They're not looking to satisfy individuals like ourselves with big opinions and specific needs. They want to satisfy a large crowd of casuals with a simple formula.

 

It's about the money, just try making enough money for all the new cosmetics without using businesses. Very soon you'll have to buy Shark Cards.

People like us are probably not the big spenders because we figured out how to make money and make wise purchases. And that's not who they're aiming for.

It should be clear by now they want the large mass of kiddies without an understanding of the value of money to use their parent's creditcards.

 

Story mode is where the best PVE is anyway. But it would be way too much work to make something like that work in an online environment...

 

 

[ghostsoap01]

18 minutes ago, theNGclan said:

Now, we just have to wait and see what Feb 26th brings us.

 

I hate to say it, but I am certain that if session types were coming on the 26th we would have heard about it. At best they might announce it on the newswire as an upcoming thing after this update, and even that is being extremely hopeful.

[Lonely-Martin]

18 minutes ago, Agent 13 said:

Yes but that's the thing, Rockstar doesn't really care what we want. You want to be a full on PVE player? Though sh*t, here's what you're getting in stead! 

They're not looking to satisfy individuals like ourselves with big opinions and specific needs. They want to satisfy a large crowd of casuals with a simple formula.

 

It's about the money, just try making enough money for all the new cosmetics without using businesses. Very soon you'll have to buy Shark Cards.

People like us are probably not the big spenders because we figured out how to make money and make wise purchases. And that's not who they're aiming for.

It should be clear by now they want the large mass of kiddies without an understanding of the value of money to use their parent's creditcards.

 

Story mode is where the best PVE is anyway. But it would be way too much work to make something like that work in an online environment...

Story mode is no answer for those looking to play PvE together. I can only imagine the bullsh*t that comes from video creators if they add that like in GTA too, lol. Trying to make a movie and some dickhead messes it all up will go down well. Though, I never needed businesses to avoid cards, game's easy to earn from by just playing and enjoying ourselves. But I was never in a hurry or subscribed to that 'time is money' crap mind you.

 

But I know many did buy cards and are PvE players too. R*'s losses there, lol. But I agree, they certainly don't care about their fans but seek to hoodwink and herd the casuals. We're the freeloaders that want to play not pay. Totally agree that GTA:O taught us one thing, they're looking to do it all on the cheap too.

 

But it won't stop me trying to get my game of it, at least until Beta ends and we know it's just not happening in future.

Edited February 21, 2019 by Lonely-Martin

[DonnieVega]

30 minutes ago, theNGclan said:

Astounding logic. Truly the pinnacle of human thought and expression right here. I'm just blown away by this.

 

So Rockstar has a plan, correct? They want to create an engaging experience that will keep players hooked in hopes that they will eventually spend money on the gold currency system. They want our feedback to improve the core experience alongside what content we'd like to see in the future. It's a pretty sound business tactic to respond to demand. It may take some time before certain things are addressed, but simple features such as isolating players in a particular session or allowing players to play in an even playing field based on their gameplay preferences are just not there. Rockstar either has other things to get to before hand (or perhaps they haven't spoken on these features but they're indeed coming) or they legitimately have no intention of doing anything.

 

"Rockstar has a plan to make money by actively ignoring their player base!"

 

You've stated that the only things that should be in the game are solely what Rockstar wants, and when people speak up about standard features being mysteriously omitted it's suddenly boring and pointless - except for the fact that Rockstar actively reads these forums and what us to directly communicate with them. I'm not saying Rockstar cares, but rather that they seem to care very little.

 

You shouldn't make arguments that can be turned back against you, because with every post you've made as of late (even if we disregard the one that broke the forum rules :V) your argument is about as consistent as pigeon sh*t. It's only okay for someone to voice their concern when they share the same view as you. When I disagreed with you I was greeted with a barrage of inconsistent nonsense.

 

Even if you have a disagreement with somebody you shouldn't automatically assume that they're attempting to censor you by not kissing your ass. f*ck people for wanting to enjoy the game and have standard features be present, amirite? f*ck people who post on a forum that the company reads so they can voice their grievances :V

 

Now, we just have to wait and see what Feb 26th brings us.

[Madvillain]

what's with the hate?

[Agent 13]

1 minute ago, Madvillain said:

what's with the hate?

Just a little discussion, which as far as I'm concerned came to its perfect conclusion. 

[wehweh01]

I'm gonna be pissed if all this goodness we're getting on the 26th costs "gold" instead of cash. Super pissed. 

 

I'm staying hopeful that we don't get businesses like we did in GTAO. I liked them but I just don't want them here. This game needs something unique. What exactly? I dunno.